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This was the all around not the event finals. I love Nemov (Sexy Alexei ❤), but Paul won the gold fair and square. Blame the judges for the screw ups not the athletes

I was a bit young when this happened, (9 years old). I have seen the clips of Alexei and saw he did really, really well, but what *exactly* was the controversy, and how did it shift the rules?

True.I remember.And Nemov behaved as a gentleman.

@@hannahwalmer1124..The rules changed to two scores, execution and difficulty! I can throw absolutely perfect giants, and stick the landing, but difficulty???

Thanks. It was magnificent.

Zach B. The coach is Miles Avery.

​@@sandyhamm1907 Thank you for that. 🙂 The black guy has a name.

@@renzy79 Miles is tops! Was the boys' coach first when they trained at The Ohio State. And then their 2004 personal Olympic coach.

We are on Milky Way Rd. You can check us out on Instagram @waukwi and @colleenlittle72. Yes, I keep bees, as I have since 1976. And gardened since before that.

Thank you. They were, in fact, having fun and experiencing great joy. And still are.

Macrae McDermott Me too. I was sitting right there at the end of the arena right near the horizontal bar. We had been moving from seating area to area in our nervousness and to avoid the NBC cameras (who knew our assigned seat). The whole family, minus Paul was sitting together. I will never, ever forget that moment and his comeback. Thank you for your support and sharing.

@@sandyhamm1907 I can’t even imagine what you must have been feeling! What a moment for all of you!

Me too, every time I watch it. My 94-year-old father kept the link on his iPad and watched it often.

Ella N Thanks. Very memorable and fun.

@@sandyhamm1907 what are Paul and Morgan doing these days? Are they still involved in gymnastics or have they moved on to something else? Always curious about Olympians after they retire.

@ella enchanted Morgan is a pharmacist for the Veterans' Administration in Milwaukee, Wis. His first wedding anniversary (Stephanie) comes up in early November. .Paul coaches gymnastics at Premiere Gymnastics in the western suburbs of Chicago, Illinois, and actively trades the markets, as he was once employed as a professional day trader in Chicago. They are very blessed and their lives are wonderful. Thanks for asking.

Paul says, "Routines are definitely longer these days. Open ended scoring."

Fag Bag thanks. It was, in fact, awesome. The entire family was seated in the stands just several feet from the apparatus.

Louisa SpecialFX I’ll ask Paul if he knows.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion. In this case (AA) the judges, FIG, IOC and CAS determined Paul was the winner. Nemov, an absolutely fantastic gymnast & gentleman, wasn't even in the medals for AA, didn't compete all six events and I believe was ranked 82nd in the AA. But so happy you are Nemov's fan. Clearly, BY MEDALS in a single Olympics, IMHO, Scherbo is still the GOAT.

Алексей Немов - вот кто должен быть победителем тогда! Политика и продажность судей сделали своё грязное дело.

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Nemov was the best! 👍First time I see the audience outraged!!Do you remember?

Lin Johnson Wrong. Your understanding is wrong. Even the Koreans never suggested what you state about Paul’s score/s. Their claim was that Yang Tae-young was underscored. Of course, it turned out at CAS that Yang, if anything, was over scored. But none of it mattered at FIG or CAS, as the event was concluded and medals awarded before the Koreans started protested. The life of Sports!

@@sandyhamm1907 you are a Hamm. I see your point. Koreans realized error late so point stuck. A gift to us.

@@sandyhamm1907 CAS and FIG's conclusion was the judge was wrong, they misscored Yang's intro performance 0.1 point clearly. thats the reason 3 judges were disqualified by FIG. but they also claimed the objection from Korean was too late. it is the way things happen. You must be happy for your son won the medal, at the same time another father had to watch his son lost the medal by some rules, not his efforts. Have a nice day sir anyway.

Katie Williams very beautiful. We (Daughter Betsy & future husband Kevin, Morgan’s girlfriend, my wife and I decided to visit Athens but rent a villa in Voula. Our place was three blocks from the sea. Gorgeous. A trip we will always remember and cherish. Betsy and Kevin got the rooftop area with private bath, kitchen, and huge patio overlooking the water. Betsy somehow secured us our own personal taxi driver who would come get us and shuttle us wherever - cost? Help immigrating to the U.S.

lcowles Wow. Someone with the facts straight.

Sandy: It's still upsetting to think of how Paul was completely railroaded by FIG and the U.S. media. With lies and omissions, they destroyed what should have been a glorious experience for the U.S. and Paul. While Paul has the gold medal, the media stole his once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to celebrate his achievement. He can't get that time back. Instead, it was filled with accusations and litigation. Of course, the media all but ignored the CAS decision and left all of America to go on believing Yang lost the gold because of the start value error, when in reality he was never in contention for the gold because of his 4th hold violation that was missed. Yang was in contention for the bronze and in truth, didn't even win that. Still, it's much easier to feed the public a simple, sensationalized story and move on, rather than bother them with all those "unnecessary" details. The media and FIG owe Paul Hamm an apology that will likely never come. He should have a very successful life today, but it's the artificially created cloud that hangs over him that will likely affect his prospects for the rest of his life, and that's more than unfortunate. I sincerely hope he writes an autobiography some day (or uses a ghostwriter like me) to set things straight. I'd definitely include portions of the CAS decision because it's VERY damning with regard to both FIG and the Korean defense.

Star: Most of the people had no idea of the truth because the media did such a hatchet job on Paul. They made absolutely no attempt to dig into the real facts. Once the CAS court case was over, the fake firestorm the media created had cooled off. By then, they were onto other things, and the public was left with the complete opposite impression of what really happened. The CAS decision even says, almost verbatim, that it was Yang who benefited from the judging discrepancies that night. Both the ISU and FIG threw Paul under the bus for political reasons and to deflect attention from their own incompetency. The best we can do now is at least share this information to educate others.

You forgot to mention that during the investigation it was found the "3 hold" rule was not enforced several times that night. Overall the entire judging system failed that night. We will never know how the gymnasts would have performed, reacted or adjusted their routines if the scoring would have been properly applied. Which means we will never know who the "real winner" could have been. It is not just a simple math problem and why the entire scoring system needed to be reformed after this. Technically Paul was the winner because the Koreans filed their complaint a whole day after the competition. Scores are final and any complaints have to be filed before gymnasts move on to the next apparatus. This is the reason they dismissed the Korean appeal. Winning on a technicality like that is what makes some people not like him. At a certain point it became bigger than him and a gold medal, but about sportsmanship. He could have given the medal back, at that point it was just a piece a medal, all its meaning and legitimacy has been eroded by the whole scandal. He could have achieved something greater, be one of those goosebumps Olympic movements where its not just about medals, and athletes but about what the Olympics are really about, sportsmanship. But he choose personal triumph, and people punished him for it.

Jose: You are wrong. Please read the actual court documents I linked to in my original post. Nowhere in the official CAS court proceedings did the judges, the Korean team or any international body make the allegation that multiple athletes were overlooked or given a pass on the three holds rule except Yang. Had that actually happened, it would certainly have worked in Yang's favor, but it didn't. Otherwise, the Koreans certainly would have mentioned it in court. It is precisely the reality that it was ONLY Yang who was given a pass on the three holds rule that proves he should never have received the gold medal or even finished on the podium, and that the actual errors in judging that night worked in his favor, not Paul's. In fact, that's EXACTLY what the CAS said in their ruling...not only that the Koreans didn't file on time, but that the judging oversight that failed to deduct an additional 0.1 for Yang's fourth hold actually "worked to his [Yang's] benefit". That's nearly a direct quote from the CAS in the court documents. I urge you to read the entire piece. Paul didn't win on a technicality. Paul also has the moral victory because had everything played out exactly the way it was supposed to with Yang being properly penalized for his fourth hold, Paul would have won gold anyway. It was Yang who robbed a bronze from Suciu of Romania and won on the "technicality" that his fourth hold was missed and could not be corrected after-the-fact because of FIG rules. It is HE that needs to return his bronze to regain his honor. Unfortunately, most people will never know the real facts because they're too lazy to read 45 pages and choose to remain ignorant. Simple minds need simple answers. Paul's rightful win aside, the CAS also makes a great argument for why, absent verifiable score fixing behind the scenes, judging decisions made in the "field of play" should never be challenged in a court of law and why such decisions have no place in the legal sphere. Again, such reasoning would work heavily in Yang's favor had Suciu decided to contest the bronze medal.

Gaod Rob 9.837

Blake Benham Wow ! Thanks !

57.823 AA. Horizontal Bar 9.827. Second place finisher in the AA was only .012 behind Paul and it was NOT Yang Tae-young, but his fellow teammate Kim Dae-eun. But it is very difficult to compare year to year scoring, as the code changes with every quadrennium, and in between too.

Yep.

That's open to debate. Maybe missed skills, maybe missed mistakes. Either way it's the N. Korean delegation that failed to protest in a timely matter - in fact not until the next day, let alone immediately after the routine.

@IchHaisseDich Here are the three moves that I believe you were asking about. - Layout Tkatchev - Straddle Tkatchev - Piked Tkatchev I’ve had several requests for a description of all the moves in Paul’s horizontal bar routine. I’ll post the entire list in the video description.

But this routine of Paul's was in AA finals. Alexei didn't even compete in the AA finals. Alexei did compete in Horizontal Bar finals, as did Paul. Paul immediately followed Alexei and he had to wait and wait and wait for the protest over Alexei's score to end. During which the crowd protested so loudly and so long that "they" did end up raising Alexei's score, but I don't remember it being enough to change his ranking. _________________________ Pero esta rutina de Paul fue en las finales de AA. Alexei ni siquiera compitió en las finales de AA. Alexei compitió en las finales de barra horizontal, al igual que Paul. Paul inmediatamente siguió a Alexei y tuvo que esperar y esperar y esperar hasta que terminara la protesta por el puntaje de Alexei. Durante el cual la multitud protestó tan fuerte y durante tanto tiempo que "ellos" terminaron elevando la puntuación de Alexei, pero no recuerdo que fuera suficiente para cambiar su clasificación.

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Unbelievable!

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А ты сравни Немова и выступление американца) а что Немов накосячил, там всего лишь минус 01 бал)

THE ETERNAL SCHOOL You asked why the routine was so short. Athletes need to do enough skills with enough difficulty to get the best “start value” they can muster (without collapsing from exhaustion). Paul’s routine was not “short”. It had everything it needed. Then it’s time to get the heck off and see how you did. Floor Exercise does have a time limit for both men and women, but the other exercises do not, as best I know.

@@sandyhamm1907 he's a legend

Every Olympic cycle there’s a different code of points. This gave him the difficulty he needed at that current cop. The ones at the most recent Olympics were longer due to different cop.

His routine was perfect. He did everything he needed to, without the huge risk of a fall to give him the best result!

At the time scores were out of 10.0 max, minus execution. You only needed to compile just enough difficulty to reach 10, and he did that efficiently with well thought out routine that flowed from one skill to the next very quickly. Newer scoring system is open ended, which lends itself to packing as many difficult skills (emphasis on releases, which take longer to set up, usually) into one routine as possible.

You don't know of what you speak. Nemov wasn't even in the mens individual AA!

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Nemov wasn't competing in the all around.

And perhaps Scherbo was the best, surely so based on medals. Besides winning, Paul’s victory was the greatest comeback of all gymnasts, ever.

@@sandyhamm1907 What? I only won silver medal

MultiChantal22 “That’s what his mother tells me”. Yes. I am his father.

@@sandyhamm1907 lol! Good to see you here though!

@@Y-wp5qr you are comparing qualifying events to AA and AA Finals versus individual events (horizontal bar). The gold medal routine here was not the one Paul performed in event finals.