The dotted 8th note delay trick

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The dotted 8th note delay trick

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@RickBeato 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome Paul! Great hanging with you in LA!

@PaulDavids 5 жыл бұрын

Likewise Rick! Let's do it again sometime 🙂

@brianwalendy3735 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, Rick! Came here from one of your videos. Both of y'all, keep up the excellent work!

@_sudipidus_ 3 жыл бұрын

2 of the coolest dude on KZfaq guitar scene... I never miss your videos

@willpayne6249 3 жыл бұрын

I love your videos greeting from South Wales UK.

@BenK. 5 жыл бұрын

Paul Davids, the kinda guy who creates his own background music :D

@geraldpasion3378 5 жыл бұрын

so good that other people stole it and copyrights it.. he has that video of that incident.

@boxing.every.day99 5 жыл бұрын

Its not his. Its my alarm song... One part of my brain is swearing constantly watching the first part of this video...

5 жыл бұрын

sounds like Bach tho! But its great!

@tyler3696 5 жыл бұрын

It's Bach's Cello Suite No. 1 in G major.

@FavianVilla 5 жыл бұрын

@ Bach no.1 prelude on cello. 😂

@vicferrari89 Жыл бұрын

Bach! Cello Suite! Sounded amazing using the delay. Cathedral, Surr Moon, Flight of the Wounded Bumble Bee, Street Have No name all are great for this trick but I did not expect to hear Bach. Molto Bene!

@AdamNeely 5 жыл бұрын

that intro tho

@GHziikneon 5 жыл бұрын

the "pass the goddamn butter" intro"

@TheGuitarGuy. 4 жыл бұрын

That's what 8 dotted trick is

@noodlingnoob7201 4 жыл бұрын

What is this called

@omarcapaso7156 4 жыл бұрын

Ali Mirza did you even watch the video bro lmao, he literally said the name after the intro song

@noodlingnoob7201 4 жыл бұрын

Hahahah, how did I miss that 😂🤦🏽‍♂️

@KrausKeysGuitar 5 жыл бұрын

That's the best way to practice keeping the tempo. Even small tempo mistakes destroy that magic sound.

@jonlohrenz5446 5 жыл бұрын

The Beatles “We can Work it out” is a great example of going from quarter to dotted eight notes. At least that’s how I think of it. When it gets to that “so I will ask you once again” part, Ringo goes to a beat that’s 3/4ths of the regular beat of the song. So when thinking about how to tap in dotted eighth notes based on the quarter note, I just play a version of ‘We can Work it out’ in my head that’s in beat with the song I’m playing and then I jump into the “ask you once again” part to get the dotted eighth note tapped in properly.

@Hasdarubal 2 жыл бұрын

Cool!

@KevinCastleMusic 3 жыл бұрын

I've been using tap tempo and timed delay pedals for thirteen years and never once thought about using the 4:3 trick. That's so simple I can't believe it. Thank you!

@Jay-vs4fi 5 жыл бұрын

Best thing about mr David's = the video editing.

@joeysgear1419 5 жыл бұрын

Lol i dont know if thats a compliment

@marvin7252 5 жыл бұрын

James Cheney . Content is not that bad Either I think :)

@Jay-vs4fi 5 жыл бұрын

it sure a compliment. The depth of this video is great too!

@Anonymous.android 5 жыл бұрын

For me it's his lovely beard

@akhileshgujar2518 5 жыл бұрын

No just the video editing but also the content is best the best. Always teach something new in a very professional way.

@pilipili510 5 жыл бұрын

If anyone's interested in hearing an album that is basically built around this technique, Angels And Airwaves' "We Don't Need to Whisper" basically uses it on 90% of the tracks. The music might not be to everyone's taste but they do use the 8th note delay in very interesting ways !

@danielpedic154 5 жыл бұрын

Pilipili 2nd this recommendation. 90% of its lead riffs are just delay on its own I’m fairly certain

@margix1172 5 жыл бұрын

he was the first and the best kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oc6VndWTzMrHZKs.html

@the_norty_rider 5 жыл бұрын

Love that album!

@tommyfeagle689 5 жыл бұрын

Great album!

@danielballarte3505 5 жыл бұрын

Tom started experimenting with Boss DD-6 Digital Delay on the Box Car Racer album, used to experiment with Boss BF-3 Flanger on the self-titled Blink-182 album. So Angels & Airwaves is a tribute to U2 and The Cure as part of their influence. The other side is his punk legacy.

@RobertBakerGuitar 5 жыл бұрын

What a great lesson. Also just realized you are almost at 1 million subs!!!!!

@ravila704 5 жыл бұрын

Learned a lot from you bakerman!

@PaulDavids 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bob! ;-)

@gitaristangakawntant3038 5 жыл бұрын

Now he’s got it

@tomasotreasaigh111 5 жыл бұрын

Thats almost 1 million subs!!! His smug prick demeanour has really found an audience... I dont get it?

@marcrumsower475 5 жыл бұрын

@@tomasotreasaigh111 The problem is you, not him

@adriaanhazendonk 5 жыл бұрын

5 years ago Paul gave me privatelessons here in the Netherlands. He was kind and very good in his job. That was the way to become one of the world's greatest guitar teachers. Go Paul go. I will follow you. And promised: I will never put strings on a guitar like I did :)

@clbazar 5 жыл бұрын

The Edge saw this video and clicked on it without delay... . . . . . . J/k, he doesn’t do anything without delay.

@ashamael 5 жыл бұрын

Holy fuck you just won the internet today. Good job, sir!

@turgonjr3702 5 жыл бұрын

@LetsGoOverground Absolutely

@beeftheheat 5 жыл бұрын

@LetsGoOverground You're Correct. and i didn't think it was funny; 'cos i've heard a lot of so called experts make that comment about his seriously hard work. he is aware of things guys like whoever (i don't want to know his handle) (oh; and i just noticed yours-good one-Zooropa, kids) made that clever little jab Wish they could do. but it takes more practice than just connecting the dots to learn some Van Halen (respect) solo. not least of which is also being a Part of a Band-not an interchangeable Trick Shooter. Cheers.

@lesterfalcon1350 5 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fp6UjdqJ07PWgok.html

@teriakamoto 4 жыл бұрын

@@beeftheheat It was in fact a clever comment, and it was funny. Part of life is humor. I suggest you relax and enjoy life. We get it, he's your favorite Guitarist. That's great. Edge is known, Hell he is famous for his Delay. He himself would laugh at that. BTW, he is no EVH. In the Documentary It Might Get Loud, Jimmy Page and Jack White left your boy looking lost.To each, his own.

@baderellik 5 жыл бұрын

Rob Scallon can relate to this

@RJRonquillo 5 жыл бұрын

That acoustic guitar delay video was awesome!

@notamuggle1835 5 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. Rain uses this. I love to play that song.

@thesteelstrummer2307 5 жыл бұрын

RAIN!!!

@willpayne6249 3 жыл бұрын

I love the Delay Sounds with U2 and on David Bowie's Lust Dance.

@GK-cc8ko 4 жыл бұрын

Reason for subscribing - 9:52 "Thank you for watching and have a great day." Not one word of pimping his own channel, he's out to recess cause that's class ladies and gentlemen.

@andreaspretorius7457 5 жыл бұрын

That shot in the beginning with Mary Spender was great cinematography in my opinion.

@dylanburczak5876 5 жыл бұрын

Its impossible to do a dotted 8th video and not play a U2 song! Good job Paul!

@ffemto4 Жыл бұрын

before U2, there was Dave Gilmour of Pink Floyd doing this in '78-79 (Run Like Hell / the Wall)

@thog4529 4 ай бұрын

Buckethead

@MrSaturnMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Angels and Airwaves was really where I fell in love with this type of delay

@peterw2880 3 жыл бұрын

The permanent rain by the dangerous summer uses this effect really well too. Highly recommend that band if you’re a fan of Tom and his work

@theyoutubeguy8821 4 жыл бұрын

That's the CLEAREST explanation of the maths behind that sound made famous by the Edge. Thank you! NOW I get it!

@Carlos-fu5bt 20 күн бұрын

Paul, you have such an amazing command of things like this and an exceptional gift for explaining and teaching it to others. THANK YOU!!

@michaelpatrick6081 5 жыл бұрын

After subscribing yesterday I spent almost 8 hours watching most of your videos, I have only been playing for about 6 months and I have to tell you, you are far better then any instructor, I have learned more in those 8 hours of videos then I have in the last 6 months. Thank you for your time sir.

@papersquares 5 жыл бұрын

The Edge wants to know your location

@Nit2315 5 жыл бұрын

Damn I'm too late for the ''the edge' joke :p

@Reprodestruxion 5 жыл бұрын

Or Gustavo Cerati / Andres Bobe

@margix1172 5 жыл бұрын

This guy invented for the first time these sounds in the 70's U2 were not even born,and Simple Minds are WAY better than U2 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oc6VndWTzMrHZKs.html

@MrJarvisGR 5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@Reprodestruxion 5 жыл бұрын

margix that sound is Steve Lillywhite ergo Johnny Marr , The Edge or charlie Burchill. The edge got his big break by discovering harmonics and balanced conflicting delays that then expanded while working with Brian Eno, Daniel Lanois and Michael Brook. Then working with Flood he started working with cv controlled lfo controlled arp odyssey like modules. Of course he works with his own technician so it’s been awhile since he has done his own shoegazing

@jamessigmon7878 5 жыл бұрын

Alternatively: How To Sound like an Insurance Commercial

@mmettej 4 жыл бұрын

James Sigmon LOL

@Jazz350 3 жыл бұрын

LOL

@eastsideofthecity4552 2 жыл бұрын

Haha I’m stealing this. 100p nailed it

@Ubi-o 2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@INeverWanted2010 2 жыл бұрын

"Has THIS ever happened to you? With our product, you'll never have to worry again!"

@martincloud1323 2 жыл бұрын

I usually figure out the tempo of the delay through maths: You take the BPM of the song you're playing, divide it by 3 and multiply by 4. Example - you're playing a song with 120 BPM. You divide it by three and get 40. Then you multiply it by 4. End result - 160. So you tap a 160 BPM delay sound.

@fragedallic 5 жыл бұрын

Hopefully this video takes it over the 1 MILLION subscribers bar !!!! You deserve it Paul!!

@marcushendriksen8415 5 жыл бұрын

My ears are furious at being denied the full intro for Run Like Hell

@daslynnter9841 5 жыл бұрын

Another brick in the wall pt1*

@mrkrunch4340 5 жыл бұрын

The Happiest Days Of Our Lives

@marcushendriksen8415 5 жыл бұрын

@@daslynnter9841 a common mistake, but no

@rickc2102 5 жыл бұрын

We got more of what sounded like Deadmau5 than we got of Run Like Hell. You know what I'm listening to as soon as this video ends...

@marcushendriksen8415 5 жыл бұрын

@@GD-hd7ol No, he's not. Go listen to the 2 songs

@freddurst9676 5 жыл бұрын

I love it. Cello Suite No. 1 in G major

@timvanderlans3692 5 жыл бұрын

Max jij sneaky boy met je internet likes

@markwilding3828 5 жыл бұрын

Prelude.

@kevinpayne457 5 жыл бұрын

Great! I bought my first delay pedal 2 weeks ago. Now I know how to use that dotted 8th switch.

@sandy.redding 5 жыл бұрын

Which one did you choose?

@kevinpayne457 5 жыл бұрын

@@sandy.redding TC Electronics Flashback. The TC Electronic pedals seem to be good value. They have been a good way to try out different types of pedals without going overboard $$$.

@beans9253 5 жыл бұрын

The temper trap-sweet disposition

@georgekiapos1 2 жыл бұрын

After combing through so many YT vids on dotted notes (explained verbally only by music theory nerds), you SHOWED how dotted notes work by PLAYING them. Thanks!

@ashutoshsrivastava8661 5 жыл бұрын

Wow I dint know what this was exactly until you clarified it! It has been heard so many times but never understood!

@NomterEdits 5 жыл бұрын

3:39 Before you even said anything I was getting ready for "daddy's flown across the ocean"! A really cool trick.

@RonTheFlyingDutchman 4 жыл бұрын

"The Flyer" by Diethelm & Famulari is almost 10 minutes of pure dotted 8th note delay pleasure: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kKmEe7mA0cq5d6M.html

@mk1st 4 жыл бұрын

"easy stuff sounding way more complicated" is how I've gotten by for 30 years.

@woozyjoe4703 3 жыл бұрын

I love the way this guy explains stuff and shows you what he's doing step by step. Fantastic teacher. Fantastic video. If only all of youtube was like this.

@dcool2u2 3 жыл бұрын

That trick to get the dotted eighth notes while staying in the quarter note setting is great!! I can set my stomp box to dotted 8 but it's a long process of inserting a cable, hold down the on/off switch, turn a dial, etc...which takes too long and is stuck in that setting until I reverse the procedure. So with the 3 over 4 poly-rythmn I can leave the pedal set to quarter notes and jump into dotted eight on the fly! It took some practice but I have it down! Thank you so much!! So

@MrTravisAl 6 ай бұрын

OK between the intro and the feng shui during the instructional (the lamps with the tiny plants [cacti?succulents?]) you or whoever is on your team are a visual MASTER ARTIST.

@brunofranco5904 5 жыл бұрын

I remembered “rain” by Rob Scallon

@epknight7833 5 жыл бұрын

That's what i was thinking too!

@andymb601 5 жыл бұрын

because that's what it is, dotted 8ths

@beeboo5433 5 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@wraith1117 Жыл бұрын

Loved the Bach Prelude in the intro. That was pretty cool.

@NeilBacalso 4 ай бұрын

love the intro, all the cinematic work behind love it!

@RaysinghaSubhajit 4 жыл бұрын

Respected Sir, I'm extremely thankful to you. For few days I have been trying to find out this trick. But was confused before watching this. Thankyou again. Love from India

@lucaspoole1892 5 жыл бұрын

You are without a doubt the best guitar KZfaqr I’ve found. Your videos are interesting, informative, and well made. You give off a trusting and homely aura and play beautifully without making me jealous or coming off as cocky. Totally awesome channel, keep it up hopefully we’ll hit the 1million mark soon!

@fprintf 5 жыл бұрын

For anyone that uses ToneStack on IOS there are several delay pedals within the Motherload IAPs including DuckWalk Taproom and Delay Tripper that all have a dotted 1/8th note setting when you turn on BPM Sync, Sync or Delay Sync respectively. Massively psyched to find this out and get instruction from Paul how to use it!

@RJRonquillo 5 жыл бұрын

The first time I heard this effect was Albert Lee's "Fun Ranch Frolics". It was a Soundpage floppy record in an old 80s Guitar Player Mag issue.

@margix1172 5 жыл бұрын

check this the very first : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oc6VndWTzMrHZKs.html

@BigDaddyAlvrz 5 жыл бұрын

Is Fun Ranch Boogie

@diddlytube 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, I think about those little Soundpages once in a while. I had forgotten what they were called, but occasionally I'd try to explain the concept to a youngster: "Well, it was attached between pages of a magazine, like a subscription insert. Made of really thin vinyl, so it flexed. You'd cut it out, it was smooth on the bottom so they'd tell you to tape a coin to it so it wouldn't slip as it tried to make a revolution on the turntable with the weight of the tone arm on it..." Then, spying the glazed over, uncomprehending expression of the bewildered Millennial I'm talking to, I try another approach: "Well, a magazine was a thing made out of paper, with words printed on it... No, not an app -- paper and ink were physical things. So was the disk. Ah, y'know what? Forget it." Then I say: "It was free." The kid lights up. "So, free... like MUSIC!" Great playing, BTW. I've watched and listened to a lot of your demos and performances.

@fretplec5326 4 жыл бұрын

The beginning video is fantastic. All those people with their constant chatter and interaction all of them winging their way through their analogue lives with digital music in the background. Bach seems a good contrast. He would have loved digital music.

@AchillesWrath1 5 жыл бұрын

That music (Bach cello suite 1) goes great over a video about remembering things, like this one. Great job man.

@eoinc4091 2 жыл бұрын

Growing up in Dublin in the 70’s and play guitar in band in the 80’s and 90’s, that was a ‘natural talent’ everybody had… part of our heritage 🤣

@seanthompson9718 4 жыл бұрын

This trick is how i learned how to play harmonys in scales and also a fun way to work on your speed you have to start over if you miss a note.

@khajakkhachigian8849 5 жыл бұрын

love using dotted 8th note delay, sounds very dreamy and wide open.

@jonathanpeters9271 5 жыл бұрын

I've never been so enchanted by Bach's Cello Suite no 1 as i was in this video. wow.

@tompparmp9928 5 жыл бұрын

Nuno uses the same effect for Flight Of The Wounded Bumblebee. In his case delay is before the amp distortion and with short feedback. So it's not always "the Edge" delay with dotted 8.

@powdershredder1136 4 жыл бұрын

Dude the edge invented the dotted 8th technique you know and love

@tompparmp9928 4 жыл бұрын

powder shredder I’m quite aware of that. Nuno’s case is a bit different though but still a dot8 trick.

@struong57 5 жыл бұрын

I have been using dotted 8th delays for years but never fully understood how it worked. You made the dotted 8th delay so EASY to understand! You’re a phenomenal guitar/music teacher, Paul! Thank you for your on-going excellent content! 🤘🏽

@johnaton9390 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Paul Davids, if you ever read this comment, I want you to know that I have been following and subscribing to you channel for a few years now. And I must say that I have improved my guitar skills after watching every video you posted. I have been playing for eight years now and I must say you are a music genius. I look forward to seeing more of your videos.

@berndkiltz 3 ай бұрын

Awesome video, nobody explains it as good as you do!

@minder4u1 5 жыл бұрын

The only down side to Paul's popularity is, too many commercials in the videos. Best tutorials on KZfaq though, thanks

@peterben2735 Жыл бұрын

Great Paul, The Old Man and the Angel by It Bites is an interesting example of the use of this delay.

@Blaydrnnnr 5 жыл бұрын

Great explanation Paul. I learned this technique a very long time ago, when delays were explained to me by a few great producers years and years ago. It not easy sometimes for beginners to "get" how delay timing works, and how the dotted eight note works with delays. SO many artists use this and its great when you find a way to explain it so that players actually understand and can make really god use of the delay, instead of just finding cool stuff...LOL If that makes sense. Great vid.. this will help a TON of people figure out great sounds and patterns...I bet the sale of delays just spiked!..

@massimodambrogio 5 жыл бұрын

4:03 I loved that. Very nice lesson, thanks

@Twistedcrescendo 3 жыл бұрын

Playing basslines in 4:3 is also pretty neat. Gives that neat slightly rushed and anxious feeling.

@noahbehnke 5 жыл бұрын

Rewatched several times at 9:11. Seeing the great Paul Davids play one of my favorite Buckethead songs on a whim.

@gazz1969 5 жыл бұрын

Congratulations on the 1 million subscribers Paul, well deserved. I believe you are one of the very best guitar teachers out there. Many thanks for all your huge efforts and great lessons.

@coltonaallen 5 жыл бұрын

Paul Davids: "I've never played Big Sur Moon before... I think it goes something like this:" Also Paul Davids: Nails it!

@betkh 2 жыл бұрын

As a cellist I'm happy to discover that interpretation of the Prélude!

@aner2000 5 жыл бұрын

This is something that I've always wanted to incorporate in my music, great lesson.

@JYelton 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for covering.the dotted eighth note style delay on the new Strymon Volante! I love this pedal and you explain and use it masterfully!

@wsurfn Жыл бұрын

This is the video I have been searching for. Thank you for explaining this so clearly for me.

@MrEthera 5 жыл бұрын

wish I would have found a video like this about 6 years ago when I was learning this. I heard a friend do it and had to figure out how to do it myself by just experimenting. I really enjoyed the explanation of it all.

@TR-xb4ih 5 жыл бұрын

Every single worship guitar player

@GODHATESADOPTION 5 жыл бұрын

Theres no instruments in the new testament nor should there be in church, just hymns

@jadonsvd 5 жыл бұрын

Tommy Dolan Your church must be boring

@jonhansen174 5 жыл бұрын

@@GODHATESADOPTION they didn't have cars either...

@ValWillKay 5 жыл бұрын

@tommy dolan I really hope you're not serious.

@lancelyons1843 5 жыл бұрын

@@ValWillKay must be catholic

@drgedanken 5 жыл бұрын

For the first time ever I got this to sound right with my delay. The key was playing along with a metronome. Thanks.

@Marc-xv4ui Жыл бұрын

A gentleman, and a scholar.

@benanderson9559 5 жыл бұрын

See also Van Halen's "Cathedra"l. I don't know if it's exactly a dotted eight note, but it's a similar concept of the delay hitting in between the notes.

@7775Kevin 5 жыл бұрын

Very well done and explained. I have always liked the sound of this delay but never sat down and worked out how to do it. Thanks!

@dominicblom 5 жыл бұрын

Great vid as always! Loved the quick Namm compilation. Thanks for the lesson Paul!

@kensommerville 5 жыл бұрын

Paul Davids and Adam Neeley - two of my faves!!!!

@joecolwell9095 5 жыл бұрын

The only video that I've seen on KZfaq that explains this in a way I finally understand! Thank you!

@WilliamAndrea 5 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of "Awake" by Tycho, but listening to it again, it sounds like the different instruments are just offset or syncopated or whatever you call that

@nathanielhanson216 4 жыл бұрын

I have a tap delay on my amp and it takes forever for me to dial in a dotted 8th. Thank u for explaining how to do it that'll make it so much easier.

@JJBDeluxe 5 жыл бұрын

Paul Davids takes the ring to Mordor and returns with three new rings! Awesome! You really rock, dude! Learning a lot from your vids! Thanks for sharing!

@TheSuffocater 5 жыл бұрын

Next Video : unboxing the golden play button ! Chapeau Maestro !

@hatsikideetje146 5 жыл бұрын

We did it! 1 million subscribers! :D Congratulations!!

@vitodonatone846 5 жыл бұрын

Great paul.....the best tutorial that i have seen about delay.......

@DizzyKrissi 5 жыл бұрын

sounds dreamy - I rarely use delay for this kind of effect more to add a litte depth to the overall sound.

@Sasageyo-oj5ph 5 жыл бұрын

Dizzy Guitar same

@CarMoves 2 жыл бұрын

An awesome example is "Rain" by Rob Scallon

@deanjenkins5161 5 жыл бұрын

Explained very clear and concise. Thanks Paul. Well done.

@johnwatson2820 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, the Bach Cello Suite worked exceptionally well with that!

@PhillVidlerMusic 5 жыл бұрын

Sweet Disposition by The Temper Trap is a great track that uses the dotted 8th delay. Nice video dude!

@tommyfeagle689 5 жыл бұрын

Phill Vidler easiest and best example of dotted 8th in my opinion

@Evan-ef7tk 5 жыл бұрын

"And then he goes off like a crazy man" - this sums up Buckethead pretty nicely!

@MontyRidds 2 жыл бұрын

0:54 must be a huge honour for that guy to meet Danish Pete AND the Captain

@soysweetPaulo 5 жыл бұрын

I LOVE using dotted 8th note delay. It's super fun when you make your own songs sound hella cool. Dude you're super inspirational! Love watching your videos! They keep me focused on creating more music

@hijdjf2961 Жыл бұрын

I believe it goes something like this *absolutely shreds*

@joshuafaustini532 5 жыл бұрын

I'm so ready for the 1 million sub special! You deserve every single sub and like, your channel has helped me in far too many ways.

@BillKeilt 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent lesson. I've used dotted eighths, but didn't really know how they worked. You cleared that right up! Great video, great editing, great content.

@JackHixon 5 жыл бұрын

My goodness I love your cinematography and teaching style.

@spongebobsquarepants675 5 жыл бұрын

Nearly 1 million subs man, keep it up!

@longsnapper5381 3 ай бұрын

The Edge is a self-proclaimed "non-shredder" and he uses whirlwinds of tech to make his sound interesting. You have to give it to the guy and to U2 in general. They are not fantastic musicians but they find ways to make their sound appealing and it certainly is.