Don't Waste Your Money On A F450! What Truck Is Best For Pulling An RV! Fulltime RV Living!

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In this video, we have a special guest appearance from "The Ford F450" as we tackle the often-debated question in the RV world of, "Do I need a F450 or F350 to pull my RV?" We compare all the stats of the F450 and the F350 and discuss all of the similarities and differences between the two trucks! We have a turning radius shoot-out and find out if the F450 really turns as good as we have all heard! We do some unloaded driving to compare the ride and comfort of both trucks before heading to the RV park to hook up our Grand Design 397TH Momentum Toyhauler to do some real-world towing tests! Before we see which truck tows better, we load the RV down to as close to max capacity as possible before heading to the scales see what the true weight numbers are! We then tow the RV with both trucks and compare notes to see which one does the better job! We finish up by heading back to the RV park to have a parking contest with both rigs to see how the turning radius affects maneuverability! The video wraps up with some closing thoughts on our opinions and you'll want to stick around for a surprise visitor at the end of the video!
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@BigTruckBigRV Жыл бұрын

Great and informative video!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching JD. That means a lot coming from you!

@BigTruckBigRV Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths no problem! Tons of great data and real world comparisons here. Outstanding work! I might link it in a video.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Feel free to use it how you want! After all the comments I have received I was wondering how long until you found the video! Glad you liked it!

@BigTruckBigRV Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths actually noticed it several days ago but didn't check it out until today.

@BigTruckBigRV Жыл бұрын

Made a video and mentioned this one with a link to your channel: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qq2RZrOSx7qbh4E.html

@ZeebNinja Жыл бұрын

I don't know much about trucks but I do know that you put in an enormous amount of time for this video. Great job.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! This was the most time-consuming video I have made yet! The planning took a few days! Almost 12 hours of filming, and over a week of editing! It was fun but a lot of work to put videos like this together!

@hudsonblough3849 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! I own both an F350 and a 2022 F450. I definitely agree on the ride comments. My comparison is between a 22 F450 and 20 F350 dually. You talked a lot about the weights of the trucks but more simply, the difference between the pay load is only because the F450 is heavier due to the wide track steering components, heavier wheels/tires, brakes and rear end differential. In other words, since the mfg keeps both trucks at a 14K GVW, the payload is the difference between the weight of the truck and the GVW. I would argue that if the mfg did not de-rate both trucks, the F450 would hands down have a higher payload mainly because of the much bigger brakes that can stop a heavier payload. “Handling a bigger weight” should also include brake capacity, tire weight capacity and ability to accelerate which you did not discuss. You can’t put a price on safety and while you touched on a lot of good points, the extra braking power, tire weight capacity and the pulling power of the bigger/heavier 4.30 rear end of the F450 was not really considered in “which can handle more weight” in the video (big omission IMO). You mainly looked at “payload” which is not the whole story when looking at which is better for pulling 20K lbs. Lastly, I have never heard a F450 owner wish they had bought a F350 but I have heard plenty of F350 owners wish they had an F450.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I think both trucks are great, we wanted the F450 but in every scenario we would be overweight! They are both class 3 vehicles rated at 14,000lbs so at the end of the day it doesn't matter what they may be rated for they are in the same class, making the F350 more capable in terms of payload and with the 4:10 rear end it can tow more as well! When towing big RV's you will max out payload well before you get anywhere near the max towing capacity of either truck! Also when towing any trailer, your truck brakes are not stopping the trailer, that is what the trailer brakes are for! I made this video because the F450 PU is not an F450 it is an F350 with some extra features that make it less capable! The actual Class 4 F450 that is rated at 16,500lbs is a more capable truck, but the F450 everyone buys is not that truck!

@jerryfisher9530 Жыл бұрын

What is the difference in gpm of your two trucks, thanks

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@jerryfisher9530 With these two trucks it's virtually the same mileage! The F350 has 4:10 rear end! If you had a 3:73 or 3:55 it would be much better! Both trucks get around 18 empty anf 8-9 loaded!

@jeffclark4008 9 ай бұрын

LMAO at "Ford put more components on the F450 to make it less capable". You put wayyy too much weight on the 14k gvwr, instead of important things like brakes, wheels, axles and steering.

@matthewadams6505 8 ай бұрын

Great info! Thx!!

@lincolnspangler93 Жыл бұрын

The F450 is essentially a Medium Duty truck that Ford stuck in a light duty class. If Ford were to rate it properly many states would consider it commercial. That's why the F450 has a lower payload rating. it weighs more, but the GCVW can't exceed 14500 pounds. it's all a numbers game for taxes and registrations.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

They F450 is built on the same Frame with the same rear leaf springs and the same rear axle housing! While I won't disagree the tires and wheels can support more weight than the F350 the bottom line is they are built on the same bones and are both Class 3 trucks! It is not a numbers game it was a way sell a higher trim F350 that they call an F450! The real F450 is a Class 4 truck rated at 16,500lbs!

@kevinbarry71 Жыл бұрын

Nonsense. It just allows guys like you to think so.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbarry71 No it allows guys like you to feel ok about overloading your truck!

@kevinbarry71 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths I think you misunderstand. I was replying to the original poster. I would never overload a truck. The previous guy thought he could do that with a 450

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbarry71 I am sorry I did mis read your comment!

@JasonSpirko-tl5yv 7 ай бұрын

Hands down the best F350 vs F450 video I have seen to date. Very informative. Great job with the real world testing.

@PavingNewPaths 7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@4urthoughts Жыл бұрын

That intro had my husband laughing!! Great content as always!!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@davidsingletonii883 Жыл бұрын

You had me hooked in the first minute and a half 😂 “This one has a hundred more 50’s” 😂

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! We tried to have fun with the intro and are glad you enjoyed it!

@dave4347 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for being so thorough, great video! I gotta say, those 19 in wheels alone are pulling me to the F450!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

The F450 is an awesome truck and the rims really seal the deal for it! Each truck has different capacities and as long as your understand what they are you should get the truck that works best for you!

@timpayne431 Жыл бұрын

I prefer my 2017 Ford F450 XL over any F350! It has far fewer options than the other trim levels which makes it lighter and results in a little over 5,000 pounds of payload capacity. The larger brakes, exhaust brake, awesome turning radius, and beefier rear axles give give me peace of mind while towing our 43-foot Keystone Fuzion 417 toy hauler. I've towed our RV for nearly 9,000 miles through the mountains, through very tight campgrounds with overhanging tree canopy, etc. and it does it all with ease!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

You sir have the best one as you have the upgraded features and the payload capacity! We wanted the F450 but because of payload we went with the F350! Since we live and travel full time we wanted the comforts of the top trim levels! Our F350 came with 4:10 rear end and when mated to the 10 speed it pulls great! We have traveled over 20,000 miles towing through the mountains out west and never worried about power or controlling our rig! They are both great trucks just what works best for your set up!

@wj2791 Жыл бұрын

Tim, if you did not have a trailer to pull, would you still be buying F450 over F350? Currently, I drive 2020 DRW 6.7 Lariat and is planning to put the order in for 2023 Super duty. I do not pull, but do carry up to about 3500 lbs few times in each month. I do drive pretty fast when freeway opens up. Did you do any after market for TPMS? Are you having any vibration type of issue on your tires? Are you having hard time to find the tire shop to do the maintenance on your F450?

@timpayne431 Жыл бұрын

@@wj2791 Yes, I had to add a Tireminder TPMS, I needed it for my triple axle toy hauler anyway. If not towing a large RV, the F350 is a MUCH better choice! The 4.30 axle ratio of the F450 is a huge negative if not towing a large rig. The F350 has factory TPMS, smoother riding non-commercial tires, a much better axle ratio for cruising at highway speeds and likely better fuel economy than the F450.

@wj2791 Жыл бұрын

@@timpayne431I let my heart make the decision over my head. I did order F450 Limited. :) I will probably install Centramatic in the front and will look further into Tireminder TPMS for the truck.

@Subi_doo Жыл бұрын

The 450, or any superduty, exhaust brake is a gimmick. It’s so weak, might as well not even have it

@jwbranham2009 7 ай бұрын

You really nailed this topic and provided real world data with realtime opinions from you guys who have awesome rigs! Thank you for the hard work producing this and making sure it is interesting.

@PavingNewPaths 7 ай бұрын

Thank you! We are glad you enjoyed it!

@rigsnrvs Жыл бұрын

Also, tires was a huge issue on my 450. Traveling and trying to find a shop to replace/fix a flat was always a challenge.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

We were all in on the F450, but we knew we would be close to maxing the truck out! In the end we decided the F350 was the better choice for the payload capacity! I have heard from several guys they spend so much time and money trying to get the 19.5-inch tires to balance and track right! I have even met several that went to 20inch rims so they could have better tire choices!

@davehaggerty3405 Жыл бұрын

My GMC 450 came without a spare tire. There was a note in the manual that said “You can’t change a tire on this truck. Call road service”.

@wj2791 Жыл бұрын

How do you over come on issue on finding the right shop to work on your F450? Do you have TPMS? Centramatic?

@kevincameron8437 Жыл бұрын

Good comparison video between the two trucks. Both are great trucks and you did a good job of showing real data. Thanks

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! There are a lot of opinions out there when it comes to the F450 vs F350 in the RV world! I wanted to show the numbers and why we have the F350 and not the F450!

@wesalexander2693 Жыл бұрын

Great video! We towed a 5th wheel with a 2017 F450 with ease. There are some fundamental differences between an F350 and F450, such as commercial grade tires, suspension and wider front axle. Both have the same or similar tow/capacity ratings, however with the wider front axle the F450 has a much tighter turning radius, quite surprising really for such a big truck, which is very useful in many of the tight campgrounds there are these days.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Both trucks are great and the turning radius is amazing on the F450! We wanted the F450 but because we teavel fulltime in our RV we needed the payload capacity of the F350!

@skoffco Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths The only reason why the payload is heavier on the F350 is because it’s a lighter truck. Both having to be within the 14,000 pound limit. But aside from technical numbers the F450 can carry handle more payload it’s just can’t be published because of the weight restrictions on that class of truck. Mainly the commercial grade tires, I think there is some difference in the axles that makes it a heavier truck.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@skoffco It is still a class 3 truck rated at 14,000 gvwr! Both trucks are built on the same frame with the same suspension! Yes the F450 has tires and rims rated higher than 14k but you don't use the highest rating to determine what a machine is capable of! The F350 tires and rims are also capable of more than 14k but for some reason the F450 logic does not apply to the F350 only the F450 is capable of more than 14k!

@stevegabes146 Жыл бұрын

lets face it, my guess is 75%of the people who own these trucks and campers pay cash, in turn you could afforg to swap axles and add some fender flares for coverage if needed. and 99% of DOT doesnt stop non commerical vechiles so I would maybe through it out there that with good air bags or a kelderman systme Dot would prob not say much if you were a couple G's over....but if your a hotshot driver you better be under

@ictpilot Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths Also the F450 has bigger brakes.

@turtle2498 Жыл бұрын

WOW That's a lot of work putting the video together. Thanks to you, Phil, and Eric for all yalls time! No dog in this fight since I have a gmc sierra 3500 Denali on the way but that was a great comparison, still not giving up my 2004 F250 Crew Cab 4x4👍 No matter what the sticker is what the truck is legally rated, ask any lawyer 😉

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! It was a lot of work and a lot of fun! They are all great trucks and most likely all are capable of more than the 14K GVWR they are listed at! But I am a Ford Man!

@kevinsigler6747 Жыл бұрын

JD (The most humble KZfaqr) told me to come over and subscribe! I was not disappointed, great job.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thanks for coming we are glad you enjoyed the video! We are so grateful that JD watched our video and mentioned us on his channel!

@lcseds Жыл бұрын

JD Who?

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@lcseds JD is the guy that does the BTBRV channel!

@Himnotman 6 ай бұрын

This had to be one of the best videos I've ever seen in this subject matter, thorough, in depth and explained well!

@PavingNewPaths 6 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you liked the video!

@julionoy335 Жыл бұрын

Great job my friend. Keep up the great content. It would be great to see you create a video across the big three! I haul my camper with my Duramax and Allison 10 speed but I see that Powerstroke and Cummins bring a lot to the table as well! Safe travels.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! It would be awesome to make a video comparing the Ford, Dodge and Chevrolet! I just need someone with the other two, to come hang out with me for a day and film!

@PHMadness Жыл бұрын

When I bought my F450 it was a purchase of opportunity. I was shopping for a dually of any flavor and coming up empty. I found this 2019 F450 Lariat with only 16k miles on it for a good price. That said, I do love this truck. PS: you DID add the Companion hitch weight twice when adding your 490lbs to the F450 scale weight, that weight included his hitch.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

We took the weight of both trucks the way they were scaled so the F450 had full fuel, passengers and the companion hitch when we weighed it for a total of 9880Lbs. We also had the scale slip of the F350 with full fuel passengers the companion and all the other accessories I have added to the truck for a total of 9840 lbs. After scaling them with full fuel, passengers and all the components we found the F450 was only 40 lbs. heavier than the F350 and that is because all my accessories I added brought my truck up to almost the same weight as the F450! (Remember they both have the companions in the truck when we scaled them) So in order to figure out how much all my stuff weighs including the hitch (I only reference the hitch because the turnover ball hitch will weigh more than the puck style hitch and I wanted to include that weight difference) my toolbox, bed cover, air system and air bags we can use the payload capacity from each truck because the payload is the difference between the weight of the truck and the max GVWR of 14,000lbs. The F350 payload is 5375lbs and the F450 payload is 4845 leaving a difference of 530lbs. So stock for stock the F450 should weigh 530lbs more than the F350 but since we have added accessories and upgrades, the F450 was only 40lbs heavier that the F350. They were both scaled with their own companion hitches installed and the weight was accounted for. My accessories including the hitch (because there is a difference in the base plate on the turnover ball vs the puck system) my tool box, bedcover, air system, and air bags all equal 490lbs of things I have added to the truck! So If I were to own and F450 I would be an additional 490lbs heavier as I would have all the same components installed!

@saras4181 Жыл бұрын

Great video! It was a lot of work! Hope everyone is well and getting excited to hit the road again!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! We had a lot of fun filming this one, there was a lot that went into this one! We are actually packing up now getting ready to hit the road soon! The adventure videos will be just around the corner!

@minixllc4860 Жыл бұрын

Hands down the best review on these Super Duty trucks I have ever seen 👏

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! We tried to compare them using real world data and limit our opinions!

@slurugger Жыл бұрын

Great detailed review, thanks for putting the effort on this. Having driven and parked my F450 in multiple tight urban environments (i.e. old town Santa Fe) I'll stick with the tighter turning radius and bigger brakes on the F450. Your comment about the trucks being de rated is spot-on. When doing my research into this F450 I also looked at F550s. I called 5 insurance companies and they all required a F550 and up to be insurance as commercial. So the registration and insurance is significantly more but the HP / torque of an F550 is de rated. It seems the campers are out growing the classes and insurance ratings for trucks...

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! It is a very debated subject in the RV world, and the RV's are outgrowing the trucks if you want to remain legal! You can see we were able to max out both trucks with just a 20,000lb trailer! The turning radius is awesome but for us we needed the payload capacity of the F350 to stay under 14K on the truck! Both great trucks just depends on what works best for your situation!

@truckerlarry7345 6 ай бұрын

As a longtime operator of a 379 Peterbilt I would choose the 450 both trucks meaning the Fords are rated on paper as the same. But the 450 is made to do maximum work all day every day , The 350 is for the weekend warrior . The difference and ride quality is mainly due to the profile of the sidewall of the tires. Taller sidewall has more deflection and is less stable under loads also tread pattern where is a thing on high profile tires. That is why the 450 has the larger wheel size and a shorter sidewall more miles per tire. so if you’re just towing your camper to Florida once a year or Arizona and you go camping occasionally the 350 will probably be fine. But if you’re a full-time RV or I would not pass up the 450 the price is very close when comparably equipped same motor same transmission. By the way nice job on the video I watch the entire thing before I come in it and I think you did a thorough job.

@PavingNewPaths 6 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video! I would say a flat top Pete would be my preferred choice in tow vehicles!

@marksr1907 Жыл бұрын

I'll choose under-rated and over-engineered every time. Love my F450.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

They're both great trucks! Can't go wrong with either one!

@jakethomas6583 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths turning radius on the 450 is so much better & that alone is worth it.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@jakethomas6583 The turning radius is awesome but imagine telling people you bought a less capable truck because it turns! The point is if you need the payload the f350 is the better choice! If you don't the F450 is also a great choice!

@andrewslagle1974 8 күн бұрын

@@jakethomas6583 And the tire wear is way better with the 19.5 tires and the brakes are better the steering gear is bigger!the front frame1/2 is bigger ,same as chassis cab 450! .Your frame thing is wrong !

@patrickcooper1122 7 күн бұрын

@andrewslagle1974 what is "your frame thing"??

@billz410 8 ай бұрын

This has gotta be the best get-down-to-the-facts video between these two trucks, with indisputable data to back it up. Very well done.

@PavingNewPaths 8 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!

@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed watching the differences and not some differences. They must have thought WTH are they doing at the campground!? Lol

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

My wife said the same thing! They already think I am crazy because I have been working on my RV and talking to the camera! Now I show up with two trucks and we just keep hooking it up and doing circles around the park!

@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths Lmao 😂

@acdii Жыл бұрын

Going from a SRW F-350 short bed King Ranch to a F-450 Platinum, I noticed the ride was actually much better. In either case the DRW is a better riding truck than a SRW. Tire cost is an issue, especially with the tighter turning radius causing tire scrub, which the factory Conti's do not hold up to well. Putting a proper steer tire on, goes a long way for lasting tires. Roadmaster has them for under $250, which is about what tires for a SRW with 20's cost. IT is the turning that sold me on the truck, I live off a narrow county road with ditches on either side, and the SRW SB would be nose in the ditch backing my trailer in, the LB would be even worse, but now, it skirts the ditch, that 8' makes a huge difference. There are some sacrifices you have to consider, the 4.30 gears are fuel hogs, and are needed for spinning those massive wheels, and a bit harsher ride, but still better than the SRW SB. That is really what it all comes down to between the two. If the larger turning radius works for you, the F-350 DRW is the better choice.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Both trucks are amazing, and if we didn't need the payload capacity of the F350 we would be in an F450! We think the turning radius is awsome, but I have never not been able to put this RV where I wanted it! I think you get used to the truck you have and learn how to make it work! With the 4:10 gears our effective ratio is the same when you factor in the difference in tire size! We think 18 mpg is amazing for a dually!

@marlofranklin4613 Жыл бұрын

By far the best vid I’ve seen with the comparison. Great job!!! Keep these great vids coming!!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@brentmcmahon8188 7 ай бұрын

If you buy a new 450 or 550 if you register it as a RV insurance will be cheap and if you have truck camper you show them your RV and with a 5 th wheel the same if you don’t do this they register it ac a commercial truck and insurance will be really high. So don’t forget .

@PavingNewPaths 7 ай бұрын

That really depends on the State! Here in Texas we couldn't get a class 3, F450 the one that is rated at 14k GVWR insured on a personal plan! Let alone the actual Class 4, F450 or the Class 5, F550! We almost changed our residency over this as we wanted the F450, that is until we realized the the F450 with a bed isn't a bigger truck at all! So we got the F350 and stayed Texans!

@davewinter8949 Жыл бұрын

The 5500 Cummins and the comment at the end really made me laugh. Great video! I appreciate all the hard work you put into it.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! It was a fun day of filming but it took some serious planning and work! It was not hard to convice the 5500 owner to participate once he knew he could make fun of Fords!

@Orginal_Sinner 7 ай бұрын

I don't own a truck yet, this video is SUPREMELY informative! Thank you!

@PavingNewPaths 7 ай бұрын

They are both great trucks, but if you are going for a big heavy RV the best truck is the F350, if you need more then you need to look at the actual class 4, F450 that doesn't come with a bed! If you are considering the F450 that has a bed just realize it is not more capable than the F350!

@randymoy5190 Жыл бұрын

The biggest thing I've seen is no matter what 450 trim level you buy, they all start out with the same "bones" whereas a 350 you have to spec it out and ensure the proper tow packages are installed. Much easier, in my humble opinion, to buy a 450. It's all ready to go. Just how much comfort/convenience you desire on the trim package.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

We are talking about the version that everyone is using to pull the big RV's nowadays! That is usually a lariat and up trim package for both, so having to "work" to spec them out is not a thing! You are right both the F350 and F450 start out as the same bones and use most of the same parts! When it is done The F450 is a very nice truck but it is an F350 with some nice upgraded that make it less capable for what the truck is being used for! Pulling heavy Fifth wheels with 4k plus pin weight!

@randymoy5190 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths Completely understand the "version" of the 350 everyone is using. My point is no matter what trim level 450 you buy it IS the right version already. No need to spec out anything. Plug n Play. You buy a 450 it's ready to tow. No need to make sure it has dual rear wheels, etc..like you do on a 350. 😎

@dchambers25 3 ай бұрын

@@randymoy5190 choosing a drw 350 when specing the trucks takes the same work as choosing a 450. There is a box you check for both if you want a 350 drw, or a 450. I suppose that 'drw' can make it hard since you have 3 extra letters you have to read. You make it sound as if you are sweating pointing the mouse and clicking.

@randymoy5190 3 ай бұрын

@@dchambers25 No sweat at all if I get a 450. The work is already done. 🤠

@dchambers25 3 ай бұрын

@@randymoy5190 yeah you are right! I had to click another box on the order form and my finger cramped up. Not to mention I had to add the bedliner, choose limited trim, rapid supplemental heat and wheel well liners! Truly an exhausting 45 secs to do all that!

@emeraldmorningmist Жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Thank you for doing this real world side by side comparison!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed the video!

@rigsnrvs Жыл бұрын

I have owned both and will keep going back to my 350. It works for what I need it to do.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

We will start with a 350 too as long as we are fulltiming and in such a heavy rv!

@jimmaltese8513 Жыл бұрын

Great video as I own a 21 F450 Limited. #1 choice was the turning radius. And the beefed up brakes. It’s what ever package you can afford or find these days. Both 350 and 450 dually are great. Love those big hips on either one. I’m happy with my payload for what I tow. So carry on my friend. Get what’s suitable for you. Dislike when people bickering about mine is better. Choose what is better for you.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Exactly I was very neutral about both because we did originally want the F450! But because of payload we needed the F350! Thats exactly right you should get the truck that best fits your needs!

@terrypetersen4039 Жыл бұрын

It is correct both are great. I had both pickups but I prefer the larger brakes and turning radius. I travel to Montana from South Texas and back in the winter. Not to mention the wind through Wyoming. Drive through there in the winter heading back south. It even pushed my Ram 3500 drw to the side while driving 45 mph. The F450 held the ground in the cross wind. I only drive at a max 65 pulling out triple axle XLR Thunderbolt. It pulls amazing even up and over the big long Mountain over from Raton NV to Trinidad Colorado.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@terrypetersen4039 We also have the 4:10 in our truck making it the same max towing as the F450 so we know what you mean as we have pulled our RV all the way to Montana and back with no issues!

@jimmaltese8513 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths Actually the 2021 F450 Limited has 4.30 rear gear ratio

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@jimmaltese8513 All F450 have the 4:30 gear ratio! But an F350 with the 4:10 will have a higher max towing than the F450 because once you factor in the tire size they are esentially the ratio!

@richardbowles7690 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for spending so much time on a GREAT VIDEO. A must watch for everyone deciding between F350 and F450 for RV use. #F350 #F450 #towingRV

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for watching and the kind words! This video took a lot of time and effort to set up and film, but we feel it was worth it in the end!

@ksal854 Жыл бұрын

I've been researching and comparing these 2 trucks for the past month. This is the kind of video I've been wanting to see. Thanks guys!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

They are both great trucks! If it was just me and my wife we would have the F450, the upgraded features make it an awesome truck to pull and RV with! Since we are a family of 5 and our RV stays loaded to around max capacity all the time we needed the payload of the F350 to ensure our truck was not overweight!

@ksal854 Жыл бұрын

That's why I'm glad you did the video like you did with practical applications and weighing on the scale. I'm leaning towards the 450 for hauling big loads of hay on a gooseneck, and then a 4-horse gooseneck with full living quarters with kitchen and all. Very much appreciate all the info!

@318Huslta Жыл бұрын

Excellent video! Intro had me rolling!😂😂😂

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! We tried to have some fun with the intro and the ending!

@andyradlgruber5315 Жыл бұрын

Great video and fantastic data. Thank you. I bought a 450 mostly for the turning radius. Hoping the tires and brakes don't cost that much more. Our 5'er is 19K GVWR so the numbers will be safe, at least a lot better than our 350 SRW. 4.30 gears are amazing towing over the Canadian Rockies. Rarely left 9th gear up the steep hills keeping the speed limit, and could stay in 10th for a huge portion of the trip. Like you said though, once you get into that 20K+ range for a trailer you're into some number crunching to keep it legal and the 350 has the edge. But only for that in my opinion, and its a biased opinion.😉

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment! We made this video to show what the heavy RV'S look like on both trucks! This is also the reason we decided on the F350 over the F450! Ours has the 4:10 rearend, combined with the 10 speed we are very similar in how it tows! We have pulled over many passes and we hardly ever drop down many gears! They are both great trucks!

@brianscheuerman519 Жыл бұрын

I know i am a bit late to the party here, but loved this video. Perfect timing for me as i am on a search for a DRW Truck. Love the channel, and thanks for the hard work that went into making this.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! We really enjoyed making this video, and it was a lot of work, but it was also a lot of fun and hopefully we were able to shine some light on the actual numbers of both of the trucks for you!

@enterprise59 10 ай бұрын

We've had our 2022 F350 now for a year towing a 42 foot 5th wheel, 2 axles. Yeah, sometimes I wish we'd gone with the 450, but I've learned how to drive it pretty good. Been in some very tight spots and making 1 or 2 adjustments isn't a big deal. I also know that the more options you add, the less you can haul, so we opted NOT to get the 4x4 and stuck with the XLT with the moon roof. The trucks done it's job superbly with just over 30k miles on her. Not sure why your F450 didn't have the upfitter switches, but the 22's came standard with them on the 450 from what we were told and saw. We love our truck, it does it's job and that's what matters.

@PavingNewPaths 10 ай бұрын

The F350 is the better choice for towing these bigger RV's than the F450! The reason is the F450 pickup version is not actually a bigger more capable truck! It is just and F350 outfitted with some extra options that in turn make it a less capable truck in terms of Payload and also max towing if the F350 has a 4:10 rear end! The F450 is nice but if it has a bed on it you didn't get bigger better truck, you just got an optioned F350! Now there are a few out there that went with the actual F450 that is a class 4 truck and that one is a bigger and better truck! But it is a work truck and doesn't come with very nice creature comforts on the interior!

@brdiesel7288 11 ай бұрын

Got an '17 F-350 XLT and pulled out RV's from Indiana for a couple of years...After 360K miles, all I can say, is the only problem is the turning radius. Besides that...All good...

@PavingNewPaths 11 ай бұрын

The F350 is the best truck to have if you need to handle the heavy pin weight of the big fifthwheels! Get it with a 4:10 rearend and it can out tow the F450 as well! Turning is fine when I am towing, I have never been pulling our 44ft trailer and wished I could turn sharper! It would be nice to have the turning when driving in town without the trailer!

@5th-wheeler330 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video! I went from a 2012 F-450 King Ranch to a 2019 F-350 XLT about 2 years ago. I do miss the 450’s turning radius, but the ride was brutal. I’ll take the 350 for the ride alone any day. My concern with all the manufacturers and all the weight numbers is this: how many people new or relatively new to RVing are buying trailers based on that 30,000+ pound towing capacity the manufacturers claim? Keep me away from the person towing that 26k# Luxe with an F-350!!! I’m in my 20th year towing full-profile 5th wheels - and I learn something from every video you publish. Keep it up!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

First thank you for the compliments! We wanted the F450 but the math never worked out for us! No matter what we did we would always be overweight on the truck! We went with the F350 because we needed the payload capacity! Most people don't realize that you can max out an F350 and an F450 with a 20,000lb trailer! You will run out of your payload capacity well before you get to the max towing numbers as RV's are very pin heavy! If you have a LUXE you better show up with a class 4 or 5 truck! I think you would be overweight with the trailer empty!

@25torgeir Жыл бұрын

2012 F450 and 2020 F450 are oranges and apples

@lyndcason7516 Жыл бұрын

Having recently had both, the F450 squats less than the F350 DRW under the same load (fifth wheel). Although both are 14k GVWR and the F450 weighs more, giving it a lower CCC on paper, everyone knows that the F450 is derated to keep it listed as a Class 3 truck. And for those bigger trailers, the larger brakes on the F450 make it an excellent choice.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Since the F450 and the F350 have the same rear springs, they will squat exactly the same! In my video the F350 squatted 1/4 more but that is due to the fact I have an additional 490lbs worth of stuff in my bed and under my bed over the F450! All the F450 owners want to believe so bad that the truck is derated and that Ford made a special truck for them and listed it at 14K to keep it a class 3! Thats all opinion the fact is the truck is built on the same frame, same rear springs and same axle housing so if the F450 is derated so is the F350! At the end of the day the truck is a class 3 truck rated at 14K GVWR, the opinion of what you think it is does not matter! And lastly when towing a trailer, the trucks brakes do not stop the trailer, that's why you have trailer brakes! When you set it up correctly the trailer will stop the trailer and the truck will stop the truck!

@johnhwang339 Жыл бұрын

In a rare event that the trailer brakes fail or the pigtail gets detached, the bigger brakes on the F450 could be a lifesaver.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@johnhwang339 We fail to mention these trucks are full of so much technology that having a brake failure wouldn't just sneak up on you anymore! These trucks both the F450 and F350 will alert you if the trailer plug became disconnected and even if you had a wiring problem or short! Even if the brakes on the trailer failed, the exhaust brake combined with the tow mode of the 10speed make these trucks more than capable!

@stephenstraker6115 Жыл бұрын

I love that you weighed truck and trailer basically separate. The way you did this weight test is exactly how you should check your weights. I hope others pay attention.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I recently did a video that was about the exact how to on this subject with a breakdown of how to use the scale slips to determine what the mean and how to use the info! You can Check it out here! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kNxmqtWHr7vap4U.html

@belagaspar929 28 күн бұрын

Awesome video. We appreciate all of your hard work putting this video together. Helps me make up my mind on which one to get.

@TimmyMoza Жыл бұрын

That was a great A/B compare. Thanks for all the detail. Well done!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I love both trucks! But I see a lot of people puling thse big RV'S with the F450 and I know how close we are to maxing out our F350! I made the video to show what it really looks like on the scale!

@CraigNiesenPhotography Жыл бұрын

Excellent video and loaded with a ton of great information. Thank you for sharing. Peace and Safe Travels -Craig

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you Craig! I might need to pick your brain about camera stuff!

@CraigNiesenPhotography Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths, feel free to DM me over on Facebook.

@Scout819 11 ай бұрын

Made a lot of good points- there are people who are thinking 450 vs 350 and probably think "Oh, 4 > 3, 450's obviously the way to go!" But it's not that simple. Something else to consider(That I've noticed quite a few people forget) is that the numbers advertised(AND in the towing guides) are for base model trucks. As you implied when you were talking about both trucks being overloaded with 20' campers, and their being bigger campers out there- your Lariats, King Ranches, Platinums, etc can't (legally) tow the same amount of weight as say, an XL. So like you said, your options are to either move to a beefier truck(commercial truck territory), or give up some of those creature comforts and go down to a Lariat or better yet(for payload), XLT or XL, where you'll then be well within the limits on both trucks(But on longer trips I don't blame people wanted more creature comforts lol)

@PavingNewPaths 11 ай бұрын

glad you liked the video! This is why wr made it most belive the F450 is bigger because the number, when infact it is smaller, in terms of towing capacity and payload! It is true the less option truck can do the most work! We have basically maxxed out our F350 platinum with a 20k trailer! If we went bigger we would need more truck!

@kevinjgillespie Жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing such an excellent job on this comparison! You hit every point and did so exceptionally well. There is so much confusion out there on these two trucks and you all cleared all that up very well . I have a 2022 F350 Lariat 6.7L and the reason I went with the F350, (although I wish I could get the front axle on an F350 with 19.5" wheels as an option), is because I have a truck camper that comes in at 4800 pounds and I pull a 16' trailer. I needed the extra payload capacity and I also drive empty a lot so I did not want the 430 gears. I have the 3.55. Nice job and thank you again!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I made this video because there is a lot of misinformation out there on these two trucks! The F450 pickup is not the truck you thought you were buying most of the time! Yes, it is nice and has lots of cool upgrades but they take away from the payload capacity! At the end of the day the F450 is just a variant of the F350 but the badge on the side gives it the impression that it is a bigger and better truck!

@dmkolb1977 Жыл бұрын

F-450 because it turns better, and better breaking. But that is more important to me.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

They are both great trucks! it is important the get the right truck for your needs! We needed the payload capacity so we have the F350!

@JeepCherokeeful Жыл бұрын

Braking and stability is a bonus on the F450 when loaded with the largest of slide in campers!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Yes with a a truck bed camper the upraded brakes would benefit you! Stability I'm not sure I can buy into that!

@AndTodaysProjectIs 11 ай бұрын

I REALLY like the end comments on "you CAN overload these trucks LEGALLY". There are so many people out there who have no idea that they are out there technically illegally. None of them will find out till they get into a major accident and the right lawyer gets hold of them and that info. We have one of those bottom feeder lawyers here in Houston who makes his and other douchebag's livings on truck and rig accidents so this is not just fear-talk. Great work on the video.

@PavingNewPaths 11 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it! I wanted to make it to show that the number on the side of the truck doesn't mean bigger and better when it comes to the F450! I love how they all say its just derated on paper and can haul way more than 14K!

@michaelfinley9988 Жыл бұрын

I own a 2020 F450 Limited that I upgraded from an F250. I tow a 14k 5th wheel which was right at the limit of the F250. The F450 tows and stops this rig with much more confidence. I did upgrade the fuel tank from a 48 gallon tank to a 68 gallon tank (love this upgrade). I went with a 20k Reese gooseneck and ball setup for a number of reasons. I have access to to my full bed. Saves on the payload weight and for me, the gooseneck seemed much more confidence inspiring when hooking up than a king pin and 5th wheel hitch (no tug test needed). I will say one draw back to the F450 are the 19.5” commercial tires. They tend to track the grooves and ruts in the road which can be nerve wracking. Also limited options on tires and places to purchase and install ( you can’t just go to a Discount Tire). Also no TPMS option from factory on F450, I bought an after market TPMS system for truck and rig. Overall I love my F450.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

We think the F450 is a great truck! For us we would have been over 14K with our set up that is why we went with the F350! We needed the payload capacity, since we travel fulltime as a family of 5, we are never going to be any lighter than we are now! We love the B and W as it is the easiest and best fifth wheel hitch on the market when it comes to hitching and unhitching no matter what angle! You also can never have a false positive connection as it will not lock unless it is right! It also allows me more adjustments as far as ride height and bed position when dialing in the ride! We think whatever truck works for you is the right truck!

@skeim5620 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video,thank you

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@1980zz4 Жыл бұрын

You created a very informative video describing the differences between the F350 and F450...excellent work. Regardless, it doesn't do much to explain how much better the turning radius and brakes are on the F450. The turning radius is huge in everyday travel with the trailer behind the truck. Parking lots, keeping the trailer away from curbs when turning right...so much easier. I updated from the F350 to an F450 to pull our Momentum for these reasons. A bonus is the commercial tires. I get that the payload capacity is more on the F350. Fully loaded, I'm very near my maximum on my trailer. Given a few hundred pounds difference between the two trucks doesn't justify giving up the braking and turning radius for me (IMO) as these are much more important when it comes to the safety of me and my family. We all pick what works best for us and that's what makes our country great. I hate the mine is better than yours mentality. You have a great looking outfit. Best wishes to you and safe traveling always.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I really made this to show that the F450 and the F350 are the same truck! They are just different variations of a Class 3 Ford dually! We wanted the F450 but knew we would be 600 plus lbs. overweight at the very minimum once we had the rig loaded down! The F350 is more capable when it comes to the payload side of things so that is what we went with! I will agree the turning is nice, but we have never not put our camper somewhere because we couldn't turn!

@doublej963 Жыл бұрын

GREAT VIDEO BROTHER!!!!, I’m a Cummins guy myself, but I still enjoyed the video 💯👍 The end of the vid made me laugh out loud 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

@TheRoadTaken Жыл бұрын

Saying wow just doesn't do the time involved in making this video but wow. Excellent video. And I see you got BTBR approval, too! LOL

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! It was a lot of work to make this videe!

@eddiew3521 Жыл бұрын

Another great video with lots of useful F-350 vs F-450 comparisons. On a previous video you mentioned the F-350 bed rails were raised by 2” beginning with either the 2016 or 2017 model years [cannot remember which]. I agree that can become problematic for Fifthwheel towing.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Ford did it in 2017, not sure when the other brands did it but they are all taller than they used to be! It does create some issues with bedrail clearances if you have the wrong set up between the hitch and pinbox!

@canadiantwig4772 Жыл бұрын

Omg love the ending!! Lol lol I believe you are absolutely correct on the difference between 350 and 450. Isn't it also true that the 450's eat up tires more due to the wide track front axle? Again, fantastic video to show all the comparisons. I think if you get above a 20k trailer, just go to an HDT. :)

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! It wasn't hard to convince him to bring the RAM for the ending once I told him what I wanted! Eric and several other owners I have talked to say the front-end wanders on the highway! We went with the F350 because the math said our RV would make the F450 overweight! HDT would be awesome!

@drostly3220 Жыл бұрын

450 has bigger brakes.. More robust wheel bearings and he front axle wheel bearings are more robust too.. I have a 350 and all that stuff wears out if you are working it.. Air bags on the rear for the 450 isn't a bad idea.. Working on all these big trucks is a workout. Nice video

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! We wanted an F450 but the math never worked for us! We would have always been overweight because of the lower payload numbers on the F450! In the end we realized if you get the F450 pickup version you're not really getting and F450, but and F350 with some extra features! In the end if they would just make an Actual F450 or an F550 with a nice trim level other than work truck that would be a good choice

@drostly3220 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths I get you.. A lot is the "crew cab"... If you get a single cab you can make up all that different and more.. If you can stealth out the Def system you can shave another 1000+ out of it.. IF you get a 550 you have a detuned motor to deal with.. Not necessarily bad but its really our government working hand locked with manufactures to put the screw on all of us.. Dealer is happy to keep you coming back to the garage for repairs and the Feds just want to make sure you get the least value for the inputs we make.. It's not sustainable and its coming to a head in the not so distant future.. Best to you guys! Take care now

@danielwallace7536 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video. You do great work. You persuaded me to reconsider a 350 vs 450. Still toiled over it but you gave me pause on pulling the trigger on a 450. Great job, thanks !!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! They are both great trucks but there are things you need to consider if you are planning on getting the F450 PU that a lot of people don't think about! In the end if the F450 is right for you then it is an awesome truck, but for us there was no math that ever worked where we wouldn't be overweight with the F450! That is one of the reasons we decided to go with the F350 instead!

@mbrown1519 Жыл бұрын

First of all I want to say that was an excellent job you guys did and the numbers don't lie. Here's where I see the differences in the trucks if we're talking safety, starting at the ground the 350 has 10 ply tires the 450 has 14 ply tires you are nowhere near the Max capacity of the tires on the 450. Then let's go to the brakes the brakes are a lot larger on the 450 and yes the 350 can stop the trailer and truck but if your trailer comes unplugged or wires pinched on the trailer and you lose the brakes on the trailer the f-450 comes into play immediately safety Factor. As far as looks well I like the looks of the 19.5 in rims over the 17-in rims that right there friends is worth a dollar 2.98 at least. Well until you replace the tires and I can say that with experience I just put two michelin's on the front of my 2020 F450 $962 for two. I've been towing a Weekend Warrior toy hauler that is a 49 footer with a 17 ft garage and yes it's 49 ft. Let's just say it might have taken you more than two tries to back my trailer in that spot with a F350. I've had a few 450s I had a 2008 put 160,000 miles on. 2010 put 150,000 miles on it and it blew the engine. A 2016 and put 86,000 miles on it traded it in on a 2020 and it just rolled over 50,000 miles on it. I almost forgot the reason I was going with the 450s is the height of the bed rails my weekend warrior was a 2009 doesn't have the ground clearance the newer trailers have the 450 compared to the 350 the edge of the bed was pretty close to 3 in lower the Chevy was like 5 in taller and the Dodge was six or seven inches taller which made those not work with the trailer I have. The place she should have really compared to 350 and the 450 is in the Safeway parking lot once again that's where the 450 shines.I really do think you guys did a great job but one truck doesn't fit all jobs.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Here is more numbers for you the rear tires on the F350 combined have a load capacity of 11,640lbs so they far exceed the rear axle rating of 9900lbs! The new trucks with the 10 speed, when in Tow mode with the exhaust brake on do such a great job of handling these trailers that I hardly ever rely on my brakes to do much but come to a complete stop! I do agree the 19.5 rims are way better looking than the 17's! We had issues with our RV and bedrail clearances when we first got it, and we ended up changing the pinbox on the RV to fix the issue! I will say the F450 is better for daily driving, but we have taken the F350 all over the place and the only time we have had problems was not because of turning, but more because maybe a dually shouldn't be there!

@williamreigart4998 Жыл бұрын

The F450 are 1.2 inch bigger on the back and 1inches bigger on the front. This is to compensate for the taller heavier tires. Overall braking power between the 2 trucks is the same. The taller heavier 19.5 inch tires take more brakes to stop.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@williamreigart4998 Good point!

@krasavshik11 Жыл бұрын

What an awesome vid 👏, can't wait to see how ram gonna compare ,also would love to hear about reliability issues between these trucks.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! That RAM 5500 is a whole different beast! I can't speak for the F450 but our F350 has pulled our RV around the US fulltime for almost 2 years now with no issues!

@ericcrager3332 Жыл бұрын

We only have 25k miles on the 450, but have had no issues at all.

@firemanbeebe Жыл бұрын

That was a pretty good video thanks for doing it 👍 I've seen nothing like it on KZfaq , Good job !

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate the compliment!

@flyingdutchman7585 5 ай бұрын

I have the best 09 F350 on the road...that's I pulled that POS 6.4 out of it and put in a 6.7 Cummins....it is a beast and does great off road or on the highway. It is SRW and I use it to haul my 2015 Northern Lite Truck Camper...been using it for 7 years now 7 months out of the year and it carries that TC like it was built for it.

@PavingNewPaths 5 ай бұрын

The 6.0 and the 6.4 were not the greatest motors Ford decided to go with! That id a unique comboa Ford with a cummins!

@badgerpa9 Жыл бұрын

You can get the GM with an AVAIL. MAX GVWR 23,500 lbs. The AVAIL. MAX GCWR 37,000 lbs. So it allows more payload but caps out the towing with the GCWR. Don't know all the Texas laws but I can tow a camper and since it is all personal use not for pay it is not CDL. If you get payed to tow then you would be CDL. Some states are more restrictive. Truck I had licensed dual use farm years ago I had to stay under the ag rules for weight not the CDL unless I transported interstate then I fell under CDL. People need to download the state drivers license and vehicle license regulations for their state and talk to the DMV or DOT with any questions they have. I still have people that say my truck with air brakes requires a CDL and there is no state law on air brakes in the state I have it licensed. Air brakes is part of the CDL test but not the state law for non commercial. There is so much confusing information given by dealerships even that it can really be confusing if you do not read the regs for your state to see what you need to do. Move up to a Medium Duty truck if you are towing heavy all the time is safer.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

In Texas anything over 26,000lbs requires me to get a Class A Non CDL! If I was for hire, I would have to have a CDL! It is a really easy process you take a written exam and go do a driving test with your rig! I made the video to show that the RV's nowadays are getting so big they are outgrowing the trucks! A 20,000lb RV is at the upper limits of what an F350 and an F450 can handle! If you're going bigger it's time to get away from the Class 3 truck and get truck that is rated for more than 14K!

@badgerpa9 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths I agree when you are getting up to the 20K at least a medium duty truck is better. Most of the people that use a HDT or class 8 truck for pulling their RV get there vehicle plates and drivers license in South Dakota, no CDL or nonCDL class A is needed.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

I would actually really like a Freightliner sport chassis, but it would make our adventuring a lot more challenging!

@badgerpa9 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths International has a Medium duty line that is not to big but would not have the horsepower you have now. They even have a blackcherry interior that looks pretty nice. Not the 6500 GM truck, I don't remember the model, I got to look one over about a year ago that was pulling a toy hauler.

@skoffco Жыл бұрын

i’ve had a 2020 F350 DWR and now a 2022 F450. If I had my choice to do it all again, it would be the F450 every day, all day. I absolutely love this truck!! Don’t notice a major difference in the ride. It’s not mainly about it’s turning radius in campgrounds, it’s the turning radius when using that truck as your every day vehicle driving in and out of parking lots of towns and tight spaces.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Both trucks are great but the bigger Rv you have and more payload you require the F350 is the better choice! The F450 pickup is just a less capable F350! If you actually needed the payload and towing ove that you need the actual class 4 F450 or bigger not the F450 pickup version!

@skoffco Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths I get all that. The pin weight on my Grand Design Solitude is 3,155 lbs plus all other payload in the truck added together well within the limit of the F450. I’m simply saying for me having owned an F350 and now the F450 the turning radius is a big plus when using the vehicle as an every day driver when Unhitched from the camper. And I must say, the wide front fenders and axles look bad ass. 😛😛

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

The soltitude line up is well within the capability of the F450! I made this video because I meet so many F450 owners with RV'S as big as mine or bigger and they all claim they needed the F450 for the capacity! Thats jusy not true if you needed the capacity you would have gone with an F350 or the actual class 4 F450! I won't take away from the turning radius but at the end of the day your still driving a dually and therefore turning is one thing but actually fitting is another!

@wj2791 Жыл бұрын

I am in same exact shoes. I currently have 2020 F350 DRW and just ordered F450 Limited which will likely be ready in early 2023. How do you check air pressures? Did you add tire balancer?

@skoffco Жыл бұрын

@@wj2791 i use a typical style air gauge used by class 8 truck drivers. It’s about a foot long and has a 45° angle chuck on the backside. Purchased it at a truckstop I think. For balancing I have installed Centro-Matic balancers on the front only.

@gustavorodriguez4240 Жыл бұрын

Grandpa at the end,,,Hey ford boys😂😂😂😂😂you’ll need a bigger trucks😂😂😂

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

It wasn't hard to convince him to be in the video!

@Jas-jp7mo Жыл бұрын

I was inspired to begin asking questions at Ford especially after seeing your video. As a follow on to your video the F450 has upgraded components which weigh more than those on the F350, obviously, so in order to play the game of staying under 14001 GVWR they simply subtracted payload from the F450 despite it having the same springs (which you even pointed out) as the F350. The added weight due to the beefier components on the F450 are, for the majority, below the suspension and thus "unsprung" weight which wouldn't take away from the payload.... Makes sense to me and an interesting angle that Ford is taking. Great video and thanks for putting it out there!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! This is a rabbit hole one can go down as the components under the F350 are also rated for more than 14K and they are also "un sprung" The F350 has 5990Lb front axle, a 9900lb rear axle that equals 15,890lbs. worth of axle capacity and the tires are rate for more than that! Since they are built on the same frame with almost identical suspension components, I'd be willing to bet both the F350 and F450 are derated down to 14K to keep it a personal class 3 vehicle!

@scottythebody0811 Жыл бұрын

Best comparison video out there. Thanks for posting.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

@scottythebody0811 Жыл бұрын

@@TonyBenton0728 Yes, I have seen them. I still feel this was the best comparison. You do you.

@Merica_dadgarage Жыл бұрын

I have a 2016 F350 platinum dually diesel. It has the wide track frt axle and a 4:30 rear gear. From what I hear they only made these in 2015 and 2016. I found the unicorn:::)))

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

You do have the unicorn it's called the Tow Boss! As soon as they decided to sell a non-commercial rated F450 they stopped making the F350 with the wide track front end!

@Merica_dadgarage Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths problem is I have a F450 that’s been on order FOREVER!!! And can’t decide if I just wanna keep this truck….. ugh

@Merica_dadgarage Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths as soon as I saw this video I was like yup need to see this!!!!!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

It was interesting making the video because they are so similar I expected there to be a huge difference! When I factored in the extra weight from all my accessories I added to my truck the F450 would be way over 14K. Not everyone travels like us but because of that the F350 is the better choice! I was interesting to see that a 20k trailer will max out both of these trucks!

@dam4274 Жыл бұрын

A couple here on KZfaq upgraded to the F450 because of it’s turning ability, wider stance, better highway stability and with bigger brakes, better stopping power.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

The F450 is an awesome truck, and all those features are nice! But if you have a big RV the payload capacity of the F350 will likely be better suited for your application!

@jaredpotter7789 8 ай бұрын

We have a 39 foot toy hauler up here in Alaska and its payload is 17,500ish. It is absolutely the longest possible camper you would want and still be able to find a spot big enough in most campgrounds. I would think the f450 would make life a little easier and possibly be able to fit in a few more spots.

@PavingNewPaths 8 ай бұрын

The F450 is a nice rig but since it is a class 3 truck if you have a 20k or bigger RV you will likely be overweight! I have also never had my trailer hooked up and wished I could turn sharper, it's very mich the opposite! Most of the time I wish i could turn bigger because I need the room for my trailer to make it!

@davefisher6968 Жыл бұрын

With the exception of the leather seats, both heated and cooled, plus adaptive cruise control everything shown in these trucks is available in the XLT.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Which would actually be the better choice in both models as they would have better payload numbers!

@VetSemperFi Жыл бұрын

Other considerations $worth$ mentioning before deciding is insurance cost of both trucks AND if you do exceed the weight ratings of truck, camper, or both AND have an accident, you'll have no insurance and can lose everything!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Insurance was another big reason we went away from the F450! Not only would we be overweight the insurance at least in Texas was double that of an F350!

@jandblawncare8570 Жыл бұрын

You cant argue with what's printed on a door sticker but the 450's have bigger, heavier rate axles and larger brakes which is a fact and my guess a 450 has the same rated axles, brakes and actual numbers as the 550's do (19,000gvwr) just de-rated for consumer sales. I'll take my 450 over a 350 just because of that and gotta love the turning radius! We towed our 44ft 5th wheel with it for the first time a couple weeks ago and the towing was a big improvement over our 350 SRW but where it shined was the tight roads in the camp ground, trying to navigate trees and tight turns would have required several re-do's with any other truck.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

I won't argue that they don't have upgraded components! But for the sake of a discussion on this if the F450 with its upgraded tires and rims, the larger axle shafts and 10 bolt hubs is rated for more than 14K so is the F350! They are built on the same frame with the same rear leaf springs! They also have the same axle housing just different shafts and hubs! The tires and rims for the F350 are also rated close to 12K! So, if were just throwing around ideas here and the F450 is really rated closer to 19K then the F350 is probably closer to 16,500! These are just our opinions though and when I made the video, I knew I couldn't use my opinion I had to use facts and data! Because of that, I used the door stickers and the ratings the truck was given by Ford for the video and it's also the reason we went with the F350 over the F450! We needed payload capacity! I will say there are a few times I would have liked the turning radius in campgrounds!

@MrandMrsThumper Жыл бұрын

Our Ford F350 and Momentum 410 (maiden voyage) were just resecued off of the I90 Turnpike in Mass by a Dodge 5500. I made a couple of Shorts and videos about our experience. In all, three very expensive tow bills to get from Orlando to Laconia, NH. We appreciate your video as we are contemplating upgrading to a F450, Dodge 5500 or perhaps a Frieghtliner.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

If you have a 410 and are running at max capacity, the F350 is the better choice over the F450! Unless you are getting the actual F450 class 4 truck, but if your considering that I would look at the F550 or the dodge 5500 they are really set up to handle the weight and have capacity left over!

@Cowboy1957 Жыл бұрын

Depending on what you use the truck for....yes the f450 does turn sharper than the f350 (BUT) the biggest thing in my book is the wheels and tires and brakes on the f450. I've had both and will definitely stay with the f450 period! Yes the f350 can haul more weight than the f450 but hauling running is one thing but when it comes to stopping and handling your not going to beat the f450. That's my opinion I run the road pulling a 40ft gooseneck and yes I need the stopping power of the f450!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Yes you definitely need the stopping power! If we weren't so heavy, we would have kept the 450 on our list when we were looking!

@Cowboy1957 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths yes sir it all depends on your usage! I was considering on another f350 just for weight difference but when you start decending those steep mountains yes and exhaust brake is a help but if you really need to get on the binders because of an accident or something out of the ordinary those big brakes make all the difference!

@E6fireman237 Жыл бұрын

Great video and information.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

@edguillaud9092 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing g this with the results you actually showed.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

@michaelparish2435 7 ай бұрын

Great video!! Thanks

@PavingNewPaths 7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@gregormaitland5065 Жыл бұрын

Great video! We have a 12000# GVWR GN horse trailer, so we don’t need a dually (we have a ‘17 F350 SRW), but I’d sure like one! So with the max GN towing at over 30k, what setup can actually tow that weight? A really heavy load without much pin weight? As you showed, you were just about maxed out with a 20000# trailer.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Fifth Wheels are very pin heavy and eat into payload capacity! To maximize towing capacity, you would need to have your GN trailer supporting most of the weight! Likely to get to the max towing capacity numbers you would need a heavy loaded trailer where most of the weight was over the GN Axles and not being carried by the truck!

@thewhiskeycowboy-official 7 ай бұрын

Great video. That aside, the comments section shows that no matter the truth, or numbers, folks will get what they want and then justify their purchase; regardless of facts. ;) Both ARE good/great trucks though. I think for most, either will work more than fine... it's on the extremes that things become more crucial (and that was really your point). Cheers!

@PavingNewPaths 7 ай бұрын

Thank you finally someone gets the point of the video! I never said the F450 wasn't a good truck, I love it and wanted one but the more I did my homework the more I started to realize that it wouldn't work for me! I think the majority like myself see the 4 and think it's a bigger truck! When in reality it is not, Ford just convinced you to pay more for an F350 with some options on it! That is all I wanted to show, that the 4 doesn't mean bigger!

@tedtitmus8900 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed your video and your comparisons. Unfortunately, I believe you missed several important points. I bought my F450 for a number reasons that most people have not pointed out. Something I found everyone seems to miss. The BRAKES on the F450 are so much better and bigger from a safety perspective and have fewer problems. Next, the wheels and tires are also a huge issue from a safety point of view. The brakes will stop you so much better in your time of need, then then ones equipped, on the F350. The tires will last much longer and take so much more abuse than the 17” version. I know the manufacturer only uses the 17” to comply with the government fuel Regulation and cost. Even with the 19” setup, I immediately change out the rotors and pads. By the way, the 19” tires are the biggest contributor to the rough ride. There are several other positive reasons to buy the F450 that I’ll write about later, or if someone out there is well-versed on the subject, I would love to hear their views. Ted

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

I will agree the F450 is a nice truck and we wanted one! However if you pull a big heavy RV the F350 is the better choice! I also love how every F450 owner will defend the truck based on the brakes the tires and rims! The tires and rims on the F350 are rated for more than 14k as well so it is an irrelevant point! The brakes also don't matter because everyone that tows knows the truck stops the truck and the trailer stops the trailer! The bottom line is your F450 pickup truck is just a marketing ploy by ford to get you to spend more money for a less capable F350! If you wanted an F450 you should have bought the actual F450 class 4 truck rated at 16k!

@michaellawrence5492 Жыл бұрын

Dang good presentation comparing the two trucks . Thanks !

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@prestonbroxson8161 Жыл бұрын

I've had both and we rodeo all over the US. Love the test, but now that I've had the 450, I'll never go back to a 350. The turning does it for me, along with the deeper gearing. It pulls as easily as my last 350 with was tuned and deleted. I see better fuel mileage with this stock 450 vs my stock 350. For me, I like the brakes, turning radius and the gearing. I've now had 2 different friends that have ordered 450s after driving mine.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

I think maybe if the F350 didn't have the 4:10 there might have been more of a difference in the trucks! But an F350 with that rear end will out pull and have more payload than the F450! We wanted the F450 and were disappointed to learn that it is only a class 3 truck and because of the extra weight it is less capable than the F350! Now if they would make a true class 4, F450 with a bed and nice trims that would be the way to go!

@andrewslagle1974 8 күн бұрын

Your 100% correct i have had the same experiance!And the 19.5 tires last way longer!

@nowweride3094 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful Fords! But I'll stick to my commercial chassis, has more torque and power then I'll ever need and we will never wear it out! Oh and tons more room in it all for the same price too!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

I would love to have an HDT! But we still need our truck to get around as a family of 5 when we go exploring!

@nowweride3094 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths we all have to do what's best for our families! That is what I love to see and hear other opinions which in turn helps others like me! 🇺🇸👍

@usmcshepherd9951 Жыл бұрын

Best test I’ve seen on these trucks back to back….great job!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! We tried hard to show what these big RV'S do to these two truck's!

@Morphz_Unlimited Жыл бұрын

Helluva video👏🏾. Love the detailed effort and the ending was hilarious

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! The Dodge owner had no problem being in the video when I told him what I wanted!

@jeffhier9807 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Hope you are going to do the same test with that Ram.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

I would love too! I need someone with a RAM to come hang out for the day and we can make it happen!

@09dave1952 Жыл бұрын

Tell Eric what a good looking truck he has! And it's the exact same color as my F-350 :) Great comparison by the way, best one I've seen.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

It is a good looking truck! Thank you for watching!

@JS-sh3nq Жыл бұрын

Excellent video one of the best reviews out there keep them coming

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! We put a lot into this one and enjoyed making it!

@coreyhutchinson4033 Жыл бұрын

Well, it should have said. "Don't Buy a pickup. The cab and chassis truck's with give you heavier suspensions for almost $20k less than the "pickup" version for the same truck minus leather.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

I could have but I wanted to make the point to the F450 pickup guys that they do not own an F450! Instead they bought an F350 with some upraded features that make it less capable! If they really needed the F450 they would have bought the class 4 truck!

@Arabian1967Knight Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video. Just what I needed to see. If I want more maneuverability I will get the 450, but if I want more payload it will be the 350. I'm thinking if I go with the 17K RV I may go with the 450, but if I ever think a 20K is in my future. I might as well get the 350. Since I don't have experience with driving dually's and it may prove to be a benefit for just general parking without a trailer. The 450 may just be the winner. Thanks again.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Both great trucks, we wanted the F450 but since we travel fulltime, our truck and the RV are both very heavy! We would have exceeded the payload of the F450 and been overweight all the time! We had to lose some weight in our RV when we first started to get our weight within the limits of the truck and the trailer!

@Cla55clown Жыл бұрын

god I wish GM made a version of the Ford F-450. Love that turning radius and upgraded brakes!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

I will say it is nice that the F450 is still a pick up truck! The 4500 and 5500 trucks just become so big and unusable for everyday life!

@emeraldmorningmist Жыл бұрын

If Ford would put that turning radius on the F-350 I wonder if it would increase sales. In fact, put that same radius on all their super duty trucks.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@emeraldmorningmist I feel the wide track should at least be an option for all models!

@JeepCherokeeful Жыл бұрын

They do!

@JeepCherokeeful Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths a wide track f350 dually would be great!

@titaniummaster1532 7 ай бұрын

Great video, practical, and very informational. Thank you

@PavingNewPaths 7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you liked it!

@Msrverpilot Жыл бұрын

Awesome JOB, Probably the BEST compairsion test and explanation of weights and trucks ,I had a F-450, and NOW I have a RAM -3500, I was shocked, how well the RAM compared , the Ram rode and drove better, I'm a TRUE BLUE guy, , LOVED THE ENDING....LMBO.. Keep these videos coming Brother, hope to see you guys on the ROAD, or in Tenn..

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

It didn't take much to convince him to come make fun of the Ford guys at the end of the video! Thanks for your support and feedback! We appreciate it!

@4theluvnu Жыл бұрын

Great Video Sir!!!!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@OOMAN Жыл бұрын

😂 Loved the intro! 😂 I went with the F-450 (2019) primarily because of the wide-track front suspension. The 8' difference on turning radius does not sound like a lot if you haven't driven one, until you get into a tight spot. What I gave up was some mpg's because of the 4.30 rear end being the only option, stupid expensive tires (19.5") with limited selection for replacement, and a little bit of ride comfort. I don't ever plan on towing more than my 24k (30' flat bed I have for work) or my 20k Seismic, so I would have got the 4.11 or even 3.73 rear end if it was an option. From what I understand, the F-450 is actually derated to keep it at 14,000#, which prevents it from going into a commercial truck class. The capacity is lower because the bigger brakes & suspension components are heavier than the F-350. I believe there is a difference in the front frame as well. The loaded driving roughness on the F-450 improves a lot when you put air bags on it. You can't go wrong with either truck. In the end, unless you need max. towing/payload capacity, it's just a matter of personal preference, and are you willing to give up some mpg's for the wide-track suspension. The only thing I can say you were totally wrong about is.....I GO RV'ing BY MYSELF !!! 😆 Great side-by-side real world comparison!!!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I tried to have fun with it since it's a hot topic in the RV world! They are both great trucks and the turning radius is pretty awesome! The problem with the big RV's is you will run out of payload capacity well before you ever reach the max towing capacity of these trucks! We were about to get an F450, and the math never checked out for us to not be over 14,000lbs. on the truck! That is why we went with the F350 we knew how heavy our camper would be living in it full time! (For this video we tried to max the RV weight out but normally we are about 500lbs less when living in it) In the end if you max these trailers out at 20K you are at the upper limits of both of the trucks! The bigger RV's if loaded down need bigger trucks!

@OOMAN Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths I always cringe when I see guys pulling big trailers, especially ANY triple axles, with SRW trucks, or telling people in the forums/groups “It’s fine! I’ve been doing it for years!” Then they like to call anyone that is telling folks how to do it right, the tow police. I just tell ‘em, It’s fine!!!…until it’s not…

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

That is true the tow police guys usually are the ones that doing it wrong! There is no way a triple axle toyhauler should ever be pulled by a SRW truck! I heard a saying once that if your trailer has 6 tires your truck better have 6 tires!

@alextrainor2552 Жыл бұрын

Wide track front suspension? Come on dude....

@OOMAN Жыл бұрын

@@alextrainor2552 You've obviously never had to pull a big trailer into tight spots.....😂

@user-du8to2fy7x 7 ай бұрын

The turning radius makes the F450 worth it to me.

@PavingNewPaths 7 ай бұрын

The turning radius is awesome, but imagine telling people you bought a truck because it could turn, and now because of that it is actually less capable!