Pavlov VR Tutorial 4 | Movement and Peeks

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3 жыл бұрын

UPDATE 4/13/2021 - As of most recent patch, side sprint is no longer possible, and auto sprint delay is reduced to match a new button sprint delay, so in other words button sprint is redundant if you turn on auto sprint. I recommend using auto sprint!
There's more to survival than just shooting gud... learn to move and peek like a pro!
14:52 for a practical example
To see just how fast you can move and a great example of peeks, check out this duel with 0.o... (OhDotOh - very skilled shooter + peeker) • AK 1v1s vs 0.o (Oh dot...
Map in the video is Practice Range 4.21 Beta
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More things to note that I forgot to mention:
1. Due to ping, if you are retreating into cover while someone is peeking into you, they can shoot and kill you without you even seeing them, causing you to die behind cover. For this reason, in a high ping environment, if you get surprised out of cover, sometimes its best to just commit and go for the trade rather than try to run away.
2. The bullet line that is drawn when someone kills you is not accurate at all, it is a very basic guess. If its going through a solid wall its because they killed you in the open on their client, but you didn't die for real until you made it into cover.
3. The ping counter in game only goes up to 255 (unsigned byte) then it rolls over to 0. So if you see someone with 20 ping, they might actually have 275 ping. Pay attention to if their ping fluctuates or they teleport as often happens when they are extremely high.
4. Aim for the head. Killing them as fast as possible means less time for them to trade with their ping.
5. Even if you are comfortable using the touchpad/joystick click as the sprint keybind, if you are on steamVR, I still recommend re-binding the sprint button to something else, as most VR controller joysticks are poorly made and will degrade quickly if repeatedly pressed.

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@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

UPDATE: Side sprint is no longer possible, just use auto sprint! No need for button sprint! This means side to side movement is less zoomy, but thats for the better TBH. Also they nerfed the HELL out of playspacing so theres no point to moving IRL anymore. More things to note that I forgot to mention: 1. Due to ping, if you are retreating into cover while someone is peeking into you, they can shoot and kill you without you even seeing them, causing you to die behind cover. For this reason, in a high ping environment, if you get surprised out of cover, sometimes its best to just commit and go for the trade rather than try to run away. 2. The bullet line that is drawn when someone kills you is not accurate at all, it is a very basic guess. If its going through a solid wall its because they killed you in the open on their client, but you didn't die for real until you made it into cover. 3. The ping counter in game only goes up to 255 (unsigned byte) then it rolls over to 0. So if you see someone with 20 ping, they might actually have 275 ping. Pay attention to if their ping fluctuates or they teleport as often happens when they are extremely high. 4. Aim for the head. Killing them as fast as possible means less time for them to trade with their ping. 5. To see just how fast you can move and a great example of peeks, check out this duel with 0.o (OhDotOh - very skilled shooter + peeker) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jJ9gY92jz66ymnk.html

@Godfather1010 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah 1. is an interesting as you saw the shooter shoot you before you ducked behind cover, he killed you however the msg that you are dead has not been processed so you can shoot back or drop nades, in this situation you must count the bullets received by sound/viewing your own blood splatter, its usually 16 bullets per second so 5 bullets in 300ms in general and your peeks and should be for around 300ms while shooting 5 bullets with the last bullet being at "Reverse Peekers Advantage" which is the correct geometry used so as the last bullet you fire hits the victim and all he sees in the barrel of your AUG/M4 disappearing out of view

@Gear1rus 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, very informative stuff! Out of curiosity, are you using vive controller in the right hand to have easier time grabbing and releasing things (nades, weapons)? Or did your right knuckle just broke?:)

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

@@Gear1rus i use right wand just because it feels good with the way I touch my controllers together, I use a different technique (t-rex) with dual knuckles that you can see in my onward or vail video.

@Gear1rus 3 жыл бұрын

@@chillst3p thanks!

@tobias341 3 жыл бұрын

I'm beggining to think that this Chillstep guy might to know a thing or two about 'Pavlov'

@johnarbuckle6492 2 жыл бұрын

He practically runs Pavlov

@tobias341 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnarbuckle6492 nah he sucks

@TheRogue12 2 жыл бұрын

9:43 Note for future viewers: Pavlov was recently changed to remove this sprint exploit so there is always the same delay for auto or toggle sprint, making side and back sprinting impossible.

@timv1109 2 жыл бұрын

Thnx I was just looking into this, so I suppose auto sprint is preferable? Because I hate that joystick spring but don't want to effect my bindings, (I use left and right shooting/reloading

@reemlsilkworm 2 жыл бұрын

I'm from five months in the future. Thanks, that saved me some confusion for sure 👍

@succ300 2 жыл бұрын

I had to watch you dump a flash like 10 times in slow motion to see how you did it so damn fast. I didn't realize how clunky I still am with grenades until I saw that. Thanks for making these videos, they're great!

@ozziew007 2 жыл бұрын

Love how you know exactly how the game works and how the mechanics are actually implemented client->server wise. This whole series is exactly what I was looking for. Very hard to find competitive resources for this game

@tosspot1305 2 жыл бұрын

DO you know anyhwhere to find players who are up for decent matches? Public lobbys just dont have any teamwork

@isaacstoltz9776 3 жыл бұрын

I was in a game with Psycilo yesterday, and I was trying this stuff out and noticed him doing the same. When I warp-peeked around a corner with an m4 at one point it ended up going better than I thought, where previously I hadn't given things like peekers advantage much thought at all

@GHOST13500 3 жыл бұрын

I love that subtitling and breakdown in your clip at the end bro, that helps a ton, definitely should make videos based on that.

@YellowHat07 3 жыл бұрын

This is definitely something Im still working on, and you convinently made a video on it, so thank you! Super informative as always :D

@TheRugarat 3 жыл бұрын

I never really thought about the ping or peekers advantage. I'll have to keep an eye for that. Great video mate.

@joelonex7215 3 жыл бұрын

The example at the end was one hell of a massacre, :O Very well played good sir.

@parkerchace 2 жыл бұрын

Dude you’re so fucking good !! Your tips are similar to that of street fighters’ tips: never let them know what you’re doing and act quickly!

@VirtualRageMaster 3 жыл бұрын

Good explanation of latency advantages for VR players nice vid Chillst3p 👍

@nurfa_ 3 жыл бұрын

Been waiting for your next tutorial, this is great!

@gravy.e 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't realise till I saw the name again on the leaderboard, we played SnD a few days ago and I didn't realise we were on the same team? Nice to meet you man.

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

You too :)

@jacobc-t9472 3 жыл бұрын

Youre insane.got my quest 2 yesterday and pavlov today and found pavlov was so hard! Ive shot a gun before irl and it was easier gonna try the tips I’ve seen in your videos and hit the range.

@Jmz7361 Жыл бұрын

6:57 that is really smart

@caffeinatedblue2670 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I’ve always had trouble in games because of positioning and this really helped me improve/stay alive.

@Makszi 3 жыл бұрын

The best Pavlov tutorials right here

@EchoTango 3 жыл бұрын

Great tutorial! 👍 Keep it up dude 🤟 This will help me "rage" less in pavlov 😅

@comoli8609 3 жыл бұрын

The Rekt mascot makes an appearance at 13:17!

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

That is Merlin! We also have a black cat Salem and a white floofy samoyed named Luna, who can be seen in my most recent upload before this one. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o86UdtmQscDLqnk.html

@hardline_01 2 жыл бұрын

this vid is exactly what im looking for) thank you!

@PeetaProduction 3 жыл бұрын

Love the content chillstep! Miss playing with you bud.

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's been a while :)

@jtfaust8523 2 жыл бұрын

I call that peek... Jack-In-The-Box

@lurph 3 жыл бұрын

still waiting for the pavlov tutorial on how to do my taxes

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

Don't worry the IRS cant find you in VR

@_dave977 2 ай бұрын

@@chillst3p💀☠️

@buntwogarde6583 2 жыл бұрын

dope, thanks

@botyuri-pavlovvr6269 3 жыл бұрын

Giving away even more secrets I see. I guess I can't blame you. When you play on our skill level, the competition needs all the help they can get.

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

"our skill level". A little arrogant are we? :P

@TheodoreWilkins 3 жыл бұрын

Nice vid

@HauntedAbysss 3 жыл бұрын

This helped alot. Didn't know about how janky this game is

@user-ey9mp7om4r 2 жыл бұрын

Hello, your tutorial is very good. I also want to use the same equipment as you, and the same handle with left hand and right hand. What equipment model do you use?

@DylanDjarin_TheMandalorian 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid, but what’s with ur controllers being different, one vive, and one index?

@user-ey9mp7om4r 2 жыл бұрын

Hello, your tutorial is very good. I also want to use the same head display equipment as you, and the same handle with left hand and right hand. What equipment model do you use?

@Good_Username 3 жыл бұрын

**thok** Nice.

@MochaTheVA 3 жыл бұрын

Allow me to quote: WOW IS THAT THE REAL CHILLST3P. Like damn bro I get you got a few subs and you doin honest work but why people follow you into my lobby screaming that in my ears.

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

That has suddenly been happening a lot in game and I have no idea why.

@MochaTheVA 3 жыл бұрын

@@chillst3p But for real dawg, I'm bored. Wanna play Pavlov?

@cozyninjaytcrispychicken722 3 жыл бұрын

I'm on quest 2 controller and you can keep your hands close while I can't because how big the cups on them are

@immortal_hades5541 3 жыл бұрын

Would it be possible to do a configuration video? I want to use your sprint on left trigger set up but then I cant grab mags with that button. Unless im doing it wrong, which a video would clear that up :D

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

A bunch of people have asked for this so yes I will make one.

@Jay13lazeIsReal430 2 жыл бұрын

I play Pavlov on the oculus quest 2. I wish they would update the game to current version. For now it is the Pavlov shack beta. But I’m trying to get my movement down but I think it’s more tough to get movement and peeking down on oculus.

@Jmz7361 Жыл бұрын

6:18 this timestamp is for me

@eduardkhil7680 3 жыл бұрын

What are your thoughts on learning to swap hands with weapons and training dual eye dominance? Especially around left corners if you're a right hander

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

Swapping hands isnt really important because unlike in real life you can easily clip your weapon stock into your body in VR. If you wanna make yourself stronger on a left corner just move your gun to the left side of your head, you can still hold with right hands. Dual eye dominance could be helpful though for those peeks.

@eduardkhil7680 3 жыл бұрын

@@chillst3p Thanks mate will give it a go, your guides are awesome by the way

@sphynx_owner8224 3 жыл бұрын

how do you record this? my steam vr view is borked and stuck at constant 15 fps

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

im just using the steamvr mirror view in fullscreen, not sure why yours is low framerate :/

@pogvr4554 2 жыл бұрын

i just realised is he using a vive wand and a knuckle?

@elmontfirevideos 2 жыл бұрын

Can you guys fix your game for oculus quest two

@ddaniel0684 3 жыл бұрын

Why do you use a vive controller with the knuckle?

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

Check out tutorial #2 for a full explanation, but essentially I like the way the rear hand vive controller allows me to more comfortably connect my hands together in combination with virtual stock.

@dior_hexz721 2 жыл бұрын

What button is crouch

@x2tz408 2 жыл бұрын

why do u use 2 different controllers?

@dddd1881 3 жыл бұрын

declassified?

@eggy7532 3 жыл бұрын

Hacker man

@Kristiss_ Жыл бұрын

Why is he using different controllers?

@MegaRotors 3 жыл бұрын

I have to say, playing in a larger space is kind of overpowered, because you can move irl and in-game without risk of damaging yourself or your property, while other players don't have space to play in. So it's kind of an unfair advantage. Because of that you can cover faster and peek faster. Personally when I have a deagle and I can headshot you, but you can peak and spray me down faster than I can aim and shoot one shot. I mean come on. The dps and fire rate balance of the assault rifles are op if you know how to aim which is fine, but there should just be a maximum movement speed in the game to even the playing field between the rich players and the poor.

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

I agree on max move speed, have suggested it to the devs many times.

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

Tho I feel bad for you cause it is pretty fun to move IRL, its a big part of what makes VR interesting.

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

And keep in mind unless you are in a closet... you are going to be able to do this stuff. You dont need to move your feet, just lean your head.

@SteveVon7 Жыл бұрын

All of the peaking techniques in this video are somewhat normal in many games but amazingly considered to be cheating in OnwardVR. Jiggle peaking especially, unlike other games where it is considered a technique used by top players - its tabooed by losing players as being an "exploit"

@chillst3p Жыл бұрын

The movement in pavlov was patched to be a lot slower so a lot of this isnt as effective anymore. Onward is funny though, the movement is so fast in that game for it being a "milsim"

@timv1109 2 жыл бұрын

1:30s in and I have just realized so much hell I've seen over the years makes so much since now......PING lol put that on a warning label on every online game, probably get less whiners rofl

@hamburger27A 2 жыл бұрын

you tryna convince me my average 400 ping was actually helping?

@chillst3p 2 жыл бұрын

No mainly ping gives more disadvantages than advantages, but it can help you kill much better players if you peek into them.

@Godfather1010 3 жыл бұрын

Both players see each other at the same time ig which is great. The authority is not the server it is the person being shot! your client gets the Hitmarker, server gets the HP drop info then the person you shot must be informed of their HP reduction otherwise the opponent is alive shooting, once this is received causing death then the bullets stop coming from their client through the server and to you :) so Peekers advantage goes to the Low ping player in Pavlov due to game mechanics and Server proximity as it should imo, Reprojection, Dysync & Bandwidth throttling and loss of packets all in check, some exceptions in game mechanics apply with the server as authority can cause bullets etc to be dis-regarded however. Its super funny with 30 guys in Spectator mode watching one man on Oilrig alive with the bomb die to a seconds late headshot from a player that has been dead for seconds but sent a late packet before dying that the server accepts, Bring on the Lan battles over the next decade, Celty has already 0 or 1ms ping on a server! he holds the record as far as I'm aware for lowest ping

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

"Both players see each other at the same time ig which is great" this isn't true nor is it even physically possible outside of LAN, but perhaps you misworded it? Otherwise this is all true if a bit hard to understand. The low ping player peeking advantage still requires the other player to be ping, but yes peekers advantage is basically a factor of the total ping of both players added up, and the lower player, being closer to the server, will register the kill first thus being more likely to win the trade in a 1v1 scenario, meaning, both players still die, but the low ping player got the kill "first" so if they are the last two people alive, his team will win the round.

@Godfather1010 3 жыл бұрын

@@chillst3p Ig is a set time shown on the scoreboard, dual recordings of years of Pavlov Virtual Reality Master League battles available online show no matter the ping both players see each other at exactly the same time in game. While researching it pays to use Dave's servers to sync the round start for the lossless quality recordings, above caveats apply regarding Reprojection etc otherwise everyone sees Reprojection not what happens!

@chillst3p 3 жыл бұрын

@@Godfather1010 well obviously in "game time" they will be synced, a player with higher ping is likely that far behind a low ping player in game time/simulation. IRL they will NOT see each other at the exact same time. That would require seeing into the future.

@GHOST13500 2 жыл бұрын

7th