PAYLOAD PROBLEMS: HOW MUCH CAN I (REALLY) TOW? RV Truck & Trailer

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6 жыл бұрын

🚦Towing capacity is frequently misunderstood. The fact is there are so many acronyms and various factors based on the truck, it’s easy to get confused. To make things worst, the truck manufactures promote their highest possible tow rating for an entire class of truck and then put an asterisk that it only applies to a dually truck.
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To know how much RV you can really tow, we must first address the limitations you’ll likely reach long before towing capacity. This video will break down GVWR, GCVWR, GAWR, UVW (dry weight), Payload and then Towing Capacity.
This video also discusses the consequences of towing over the GVWR or GCVWR. This is not intended to scare anyone. Rather, after extensive research, these are the situations RVers have shared.
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@KeepYourDaydream 6 жыл бұрын

If you would like the spreadsheet I used in this video, you can download it on the blog here. By downloading, you agree to take responsibility to check the formulas and data. If you have corrections or suggestions, let me know. www.keepyourdaydream.com/payload/

@vengeance268 6 жыл бұрын

Keep Your Daydream I’m curious of how your numbers were when Ginger was being towed by your previous truck!

@TomTerleski 6 жыл бұрын

Bravo! Great for understanding the terms! I do have a question though. Your hitch weight assumes not having a distribution hitch. If you are using one, some of the hitch weight is transferred to the front TV wheels and some to the trailer wheels. Your spreadsheet does not account for that. It could bring the available TV payload up. Is that right? Great video!

@TheMsolomon4 6 жыл бұрын

Hey guys, I have been watching a few of your videos and they are very well done. On your most recent video there is a very easy fix to your rig. It appears you are calculating for a 15% tongue weight. If you were to continue using your weight distribution hitch, your tongue weight will easily drop closer to 10% (where it should be). This will allow you to pull your rig within the limits. At times when you are going through areas of high wind and or snow you can simply move more weight to the front of the rig in order to allow for more tongue weight which in turn should minimize sway. Thus inabling more control.

@timbo5433 6 жыл бұрын

I've got to say bravo on your drive to learn and share what you've learned with your subscribers. Very well done on the details and your spreadsheet. It definitely opened my eyes enough to recalculate the size travel trailer I should be looking for. I'm doing what you did to start out which is looking for something that will be towable with my F150 for now. Thanks Marc

@hyperducky 6 жыл бұрын

Ray Romero I would guess the 150 had a payload of at most~1800 so probably over by ~600 lbs might explain the air bags to level even after the weight distribution hitch. I guess I'd look at a 1 ton truck just for the extra payload when we upgrade

@tatedottech 4 жыл бұрын

You had me at "i have a spreadsheet". I NEED IT IN MY LIFE

@thegingersnaps8075 6 жыл бұрын

I had a salesman say “we would never sell you something your vehicle can’t tow” ya, sure buddy! Thanks for the video.

@jeffkruljac 5 жыл бұрын

I’m that guy that is thinking about getting into rv’ing for vacations etc. I have neither the truck nor the RV, so videos like this are invaluable and exactly what i need. Thanks so much for the information.

@EricBodenstab 4 жыл бұрын

Just saw this video. May I ask what you ended up going with?

@Hidingfrompeople 3 жыл бұрын

Don't do it. There's enough morons like this guy out there already unable to drive their stupid oversized trailers with their tiny trucks.

@jeffkruljac 3 жыл бұрын

@@EricBodenstab Nothing yet. I still have a year to go on a lease I am in. But I am enamored with the Rockwood mini lite 2507s for the trailer. As for the truck....... I like the ram 1500 eco diesel since the truck will be my primary commute truck. If that doesn't work then I will be looking at 3/4 ton diesels. I am sticking with the used market because I don't want a car payment anymore. Since I'm still a year out im taking the time to do a lot of research and saving.

@andrewmoe1192 3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I bought a truck for other purposes and NOW im starting to think about towing.

@mambisquickRob 3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffkruljac Check out the Silverado RST with the 3.0 Diesel if you are into eco diesels. I have a 2020 and average 28/30 mpg highway (not towing) and 18/19 around town.

@azyavapairangers6453 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely the most comprehensive video primer on "towing capacity" I have seen. Thank you, I learned a considerable amount.

@dankellar8346 6 жыл бұрын

If there were a "Golden Globe" for useful You Tube content, you'd be a sure winner! I almost made the same mistake purchasing a rig that would have been over my tow vehicle's capacity. I was using the truck's sales literature's towing capacity along with the Travel Trailer's GVWR. Everything looked to line up: I have a 12000 tow capacity, and I was buying a 10,000 GVWR trailer. However, a deeper dive into my specific truck and its payload capacity caused me to put the brakes on my trailer purchase. I'm retiring and going full-time within the next month. I cannot afford to travel with a truck/trailer combo that's too close to the limits. Thanks again for this video. I know there are others out there that will tow safer/ live longer as they use the info you provided. AND the spreadsheet was killer!

@davidkoeppen3121 4 жыл бұрын

@ are you being funny? He said that the truck he was interested in had too low of a payload so he put the brakes on going ahead with buying it not putting actual trailer brakes on it.

@LeisureTimeLarry 6 жыл бұрын

Finally, somebody got it right! Good job! This is such a misunderstood subject, and it is often ignored. The only addition that I would suggest is checking the hitch rating itself. Example, I was recently going to help a guy haul a Kubota utility tractor on a flatbed trailer. He showed up with a F-350, dually, crew cab, long bed, and a 10,000 GVWR trailer. All of the numbers looked good until I looked at the sticker on the hitch/receiver mounted on the truck... the carrying capacities on the sticker were 6,000 lb towing and 600 lb of tongue weight, making it a Class III hitch. We would've been over on both. So, just because you have a big boy truck doesn't mean that it has a hitch mounted to it that will meet the need. Always check the ratings on the hitch, ball mount, ball, etc.

@KeepYourDaydream 6 жыл бұрын

Good point. I'm going to get into hitch weight when we upgraded hitches. I just wanted to stay on the payload issue because it seems that is the biggest limitation and most misunderstood.

@MikeNaples 6 жыл бұрын

Larry you might have been looking at only the "WC" specs on that hitch. On my '16 F-150 (with standard tow package-Class IV receiver) carrying capacity on the hitch-receiver is 500# tongue and 5000# towing. The "WD" (weight distribution) specs are 1100# tongue and 11,000# towing. Even though it might have required a WD hitch I'd bet that F350 could have safely towed that trailer. What I don't understand is how a WD hitch can more than double the towing capacity. I understand (I think) the increase in tongue weight capacity.

@keithbyerly2979 6 жыл бұрын

Keep Your Daydream we ripped off the original hitch on our Motorhome, on our move to AZ from PA. Had a 10,000 lb installed in Wheeling WV, not sorry I did that. Because we used to pull a 10,000 lb box trailer( well a 9999 lb). Better to have over kill 😎

@LeisureTimeLarry 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah Mike, it was WC I was looking at because that was the way we were going to pull it. The WD numbers were higher, but we didn't have a WD set up. I'm sure the F-350 would've handled it, I'm just making the point that the hitch system has its own ratings and people need to look at those numbers and factor them into the equation. Thanks for the reply. Safe travels.

@dominick253 5 жыл бұрын

@@MikeNaples also it is know that these things are rated at half of their breaking strength if not more.

@swgerow 4 жыл бұрын

Man this is awesome! Been guessing for years. Really puts it all together...and keeps people safe! Thanks for the vid and spreadsheet!!!

@profile428 2 жыл бұрын

Where can I find it? Thanks

@LoreleiBlue75 4 жыл бұрын

I was just pointed to your spreadsheet! That is so awesome! As a future newbie who is just wading into the water, this is super useful information. Thank you for creating and sharing it!!!

@TheKonabear123 6 жыл бұрын

Love this! My buddy was asking us a ton of questions about this literally a few days ago and then you upload this video! Perfect timing! And very well put together! Great job!

@kathygregory9755 6 жыл бұрын

This was the absolute best and most informative video I have seen so far on the subject of RV's!! Thank you so much!!

@TimHPop776 4 жыл бұрын

Wow! Finally! Someone actually gets the information and details of these details exactly right!! It is refreshing and a fantastic video!! Well done 👍

@jad1795 4 жыл бұрын

I am in the planning stages of getting my first TT or camper of any kind and I want to thank you for explaining so much in all your video's

@flippyfeet2 6 жыл бұрын

Holy cow! My hubby and I were just having this very conversation today! The vid could not have come at a better time. Lots of info. Thank you so much.

@lanceballew2304 6 жыл бұрын

I would say that really out of all of the many videos that I have watched on this channel this is the most interesting and important info for anyone thinking about RVing part or full time also Mark did a great job making sense of what in my view is a really complicated subject easier to understand great job Mark

@ridevirginia862 3 жыл бұрын

You're a good teacher. I learned that I need to weigh my truck and trailer right away.

@rockyrdz75 5 жыл бұрын

This has been by far the most informative video of breaking down all aspects for trucks and RV’s combined. Thanks,...

@sisterdynastytsf2692 5 жыл бұрын

Just bought our first travel trailer. We pick it up on Saturday. Been watching tons of your videos every night since. We are absolute noobs but ready to learn. My husband had a nervous breakdown when he watched this video and realized his Ram 1500 was not going to get us up the mountains of Colorado and through the deserts of Arizona safely. So, yesterday we went and got him a Ram 2500 Cummins Deisel. We are so excited to start this adventure!! Thanks to you and Tricia for the great information every week. "Get busy living. Or get busy dying" - Andy Dufrasne

@andrewmoe1192 3 жыл бұрын

Best wife ever

@Phunkdewbiest 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. This is such a crazy topic that lots of people don't fully understand. Great job getting this info to everyone.

@searchingfor6thgear44 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this and the spreadsheet on your page. I've been going around in circles trying to figure everything out. It's nice to see that with our "ideal" travel trailer set at its max GVWR and calculating a new hitch weight based on the trailer's GVWR, we have plenty of capability left in our F 250.

@Sh1nrin_Yoku 5 жыл бұрын

Hey there, coming from someone who has no experience in towing...this was really well made. You were well spoken, and your calculations were very clear. Thanks for making this video. It is appreciated!

@gvc56100 6 жыл бұрын

good job Marc....you hit all the important numbers,,,most folks rely on salespeople for their info and that's their first mistake....

@mikesheahan6906 6 жыл бұрын

This is the most comprehensive explanation of this topic I have seen on KZfaq. Thanks for taking the time to put it together in such an easy to understand format.

@elricm13 5 жыл бұрын

Spreadsheet is great! Thank you. Awesome summary, even scarier on the road watching what people drive......

@CheryleTeresi Жыл бұрын

Where did you find the spreadsheet to dowload?

@miketeefey9049 5 жыл бұрын

Love it! We're looking to buy a fifth wheel AND a truck. I'll definitely use this video to determine the correct match.

@thats_mr_b_ 5 жыл бұрын

Glad I found this as me and my GF prepare to do travel work and live in a 5th wheel

@gy56 6 жыл бұрын

My wife & I are getting back into rv camping. We stopped after my daughter got in college. This video helps me remember important items to review. I got pulled over in Oregon for speeding in my old ford/trailer combination, not only speeding but overload fine. Ugh was expensive day. Great information provided. Going shopping for trailers this weekend. Seattle tundra guy.

@sethbreen4365 4 жыл бұрын

I just have to say you guys are awesome! I started following your videos a few months ago, and then my wife started watching them with me. We are going to be in the market for our own 5th wheel when I return from deployment. We are taking a ton of notes in preparation for when we finally make the purchase. Thank you all the videos!

@thomasmcconnell1114 2 жыл бұрын

Hi guys. I've been leaning heavily on your wisdom and experience while researching and now purchasing our next rv, destination planning, and equipment choices. This tutorial and spreadsheet may just be the most useful bit of information I've found since September when we bought a small TT to pull with our 1/4 ton. It helps confirm that the new rig will safely take us to the Tetons in May. You deserve a thank you. So... Thank you very much.

@karenrobertson890 6 жыл бұрын

The better question is what didn't I learn. You are never boring, this was a very comprehensive explanation of very important information. Dare I say I think you have just made the roads a safer place and saved lives with this video. Fantastic job as always, your a natural. Keep up the great work. and Thank-you Everyone towing an RV or thinking about it needs to watch this video!

@deborahbrown2614 6 жыл бұрын

I never found you boring. I learned I need a dully for the RV rig I have in mind. Better to be safe, and better to treat my equipment right, that is why there are all those numbers. They MEAN something. Thank you so much.

@ONWorldTravel 3 жыл бұрын

We can't tell you how helpful this was for when we purchased our first trailer this year. We recreated your spreadsheet and learned we'd be okay. It's been 3 months and it's towed like a champ. Thanks Mark and Tricia! :)

@Mr.frag-out Жыл бұрын

Make sure your GCWR is always under 26001 lbs unless you have a class A CdL license. If not you're rig can be deadlined, and major fines commence. Have fun be safe

@DavidDreyer 4 жыл бұрын

I mean this with all the love and respect I have in my being, Marc, but I love that you're as much of an information-geek as I am!! Thank you for sharing ALL the info that you and your lovely wife have dug up over the years. I greatly appreciate it, and have learned a TON from y'all! I can't wait to meet you in person the next time y'all are cruising through Utah or central California!

@edwardmoulaison1359 6 жыл бұрын

Dude, you went all geeky, nerdy, RV techy and I LOVE it!! Good job...

@KeepYourDaydream 6 жыл бұрын

Lol.

@bryanlikescats 6 жыл бұрын

Best video I’ve seen on this topic! Thank you! Definitely not a waist of time. You guys are bomb!

@robbaxter6146 3 жыл бұрын

New to RVing and I wish I had found this earlier. Made sense out of all the specs. Thank you. We found a trailer we love, but now I’m shopping for a bigger tow vehicle.Forewarned is forearmed.

@hoppertunitiescalling4172 3 жыл бұрын

Your videos are the best I've found and I sold trucks for 17 years. You and Tricia are always entertaining and as my wife and I get started in our new adventure of full time rv travel we have learned so much from your informative videos. You guys are fantastic and we hope to one day run into you in our travels! Thanks for the spreadsheet!

@cookiepups2 6 жыл бұрын

Great video especially when it comes to safety. I’m currently looking at a 2018 forest river heritage glen 356QB. And I’m not worried about the weight I got a ram 3500 Laramie longhorn mega cab dually but I definitely considered it when I was buying my truck. But I love to see someone very educated explain how to properly and safely go out and have fun with the family.

@ExploringKY 6 жыл бұрын

Great info Mark. And a cliffhanger!!! What are you going to do? Lol. Can’t wait to see what kind of rig you guys end up with.

@brandonsyanez 4 жыл бұрын

This is by far the most comprehensive and responsible video out there for any one who has a camper, is considering a camper, or who finds themselves needing to tow really anything. Thank you!

@gaetansimard1594 5 жыл бұрын

Thank-you so much for this video! I was puzzle with all those numbers and was trying to figure-it out last week with my own RV and truck. Now I will use your excel sheet fill it and keep it. I am going to weight my rig and truck next week. So now I will probably be sure that I am in trouble, but at least, with the right numbers.

@daveswaisgood7995 6 жыл бұрын

We bought a Chevy 4x4 diesel crew cab full bed dually so we could pull most larger fifth wheels and not worry much about it. We have a 37 ft toy hauler.... I did all the numbers once but I need to redo them and write them in my book to keep in the truck. Good video Marc!

@daw764 6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely needed discussion. Thank You! There are way to many rigs out there that are over the limits, or at a minimum, pushing the limits. You are So Right - Do not listen to RV salesman. Do your own calculation based on you Truck and Rig’s stated limits. Safety First !! Remember these are massive projectiles traveling down the interstate.

@THETOPGLOCK 5 жыл бұрын

Between this video and BTBRVs channel you can’t go wrong choosing the correct combination. Love the video.

@rad-travelers2344 5 жыл бұрын

So glad you linked the spreadsheet. I was glad you mentioned about pick your rig first. We have a truck and found a rig that it can pull, for now, we will be upgrading once both kids are off to college!

@ken12269 6 жыл бұрын

This is such important information, thanks for doing this. I've learned a lot of this the hard way as I ratcheted up through various trailers and tow vehicles. So much better to know this stuff up front before making any decisions. Published "tow ratings" mean very little in the real world, and people need to remember they are based on a vehicle and driver only - no other payload or passengers. Nobody travels like that. Salesmen are more focused on sales than safety. The most eye opening moment of my RVing life was the first time I actually went to a cat scale and weighed our setup...not the place to learn. With our truck, trailer, all our stuff, etc, we were within 800 lbs of our gross combined weight rating. Too close for comfort for me, and our tanks were empty and my wife wasn't even in the car. We upgraded the tow vehicle shortly thereafter. Being "undertrucked" as they say is not only no fun but it is potentially unsafe for any RVer and everyone around them. A unique, individual calculation/breakdown like you do here is not only smart, it should actually be REQUIRED before hitting the road.

@as179mike 6 жыл бұрын

I had the same realization as you when I went to a cat scale and saw that I was closer to my GCWR on my f350 DRW and 40’ triple axel 5er than I thought. You mentioned GAWR is going to be included in a later video. I’d argue that depending on load distribution in the trailer that could be the most critical WR. Remember the blown tire in season 1? Thanks for the video. This is an important topic. I see a lot of large trailers going down the road and I hope those drivers run the numbers like you did.

@jamesdixon4601 5 жыл бұрын

I can't just say one thing I learned from your video all I can say is I appreciate every step you took to explain things to people watching this video. Thank you very much you have helped me make some important decisions

@thewolve56 4 жыл бұрын

I have been following KYD for about a month now... this is the best Video I've seen. Thank You!

@curtarthur5366 6 жыл бұрын

This is RV'ing 401. Great in depth info.

@aviskolnick7497 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the excel sheet! I've been so anxious about towing capacity and you broke it down beautifully!

@rosm6621 5 жыл бұрын

Finally, I great video discussing a very important subject that ALL Rvers need to be aware of and respect. Great Job!

@EkalbGnilrad 6 жыл бұрын

Great video. Your commentary regarding the consequences of operating over gross are definitely worth contemplating. Some more food for thought; while it does appear that you are operating over gross, I feel like you’re compounding safety factors by running your calcs at full GVWR for both the truck and trailer. The likelihood of the truck and trailer being at GVWR at the same time seems low...but I acknowledge that your family might actually achieve this. If I were in your situation, I would go to the scales and run your loadout calcs based on actual weights (including tongue weight), and keep these calcs available in the event of an accident or inspection. Love your channel, keep up the fun content!

@KeepYourDaydream 6 жыл бұрын

We hit the scales about 6 times totals. You'll see a bit more on that in the regular episode. Thanks for the comment.

@davesrvchannel4717 6 жыл бұрын

Great video. Lots of useful information

@kiwibean5586 3 жыл бұрын

I'm new to RV life, and this is full of information! I'm grateful that I stumbled upon your channel. I can't wait to get on the road!!

@TravisMontesano 4 жыл бұрын

Hey, I just wanted to say thank you for the spreadsheet! It really helped me to figure out what I have left over for payload.

@vthorseshoe 6 жыл бұрын

extremely interesting. I will be looking for a new truck in the next 2 years. I am in a campground outside Tampa . I have been rving since 1980 and am now full time. The most poignant point you make is, if in an accident and your weight is over proper limit your insurance company could leave you to the wolves. i have a 4 x 4 1/2 ton and ill be going to a 3/4 ton. Thank you for providing this info in a manner even I could understand. Bruce Matthews

@Fozzy325 5 жыл бұрын

Massive massive thank you for the excel sheet you have made.... After doing my math and not understanding the Trailer GVWR and trailer payload i had a shock that i was 1300lb over loaded. After using your tool and understanding your explanation I now have a Available Payload of 224lbs As my vehicle 2016 Land Rover LR4 HSE they do not use the GCVWR name but Gross Train Weight (GTW) , it's the same.. They also do not use Hitch weight but Tongue Weight Unbraked trailers 1 653 (750) Trailers with overrun brakes 7 716 (3 500) Tongue weight 551 (250) Gross Train Weight (GTW) 14 903 (6 760) Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) 7 187 (3 260) Maximum front axle load 3 197 (1 450) Maximum rear axle load 4 090 (1 855) Maximum roof rack load 165 (75) I have a starcraft 26BHW UVW 4,300.00 GVWR 6,500.00 Hitch Weight 551.00 Many thanks

@pbrutto1 3 жыл бұрын

Bought my first truck with tons of research and lots of help and confirmation from this video. My wife loves your videos and basically feel asleep watching this one and I think it was your most informative and I was taking notes. So something for everybody! Thanks for being so comprehensive, I am 100% confident in my choice, and I was talking to my car guy/truck friends and they hammered diesel over and over and I taught them about the additional weight of the diesel and how it figures into payload depending on your camper. My specific situation gave me a great diesel and a great gas option. Good stuff!

@cathleenbond3983 4 жыл бұрын

Wow!!!! I think I finally get it. Thank you so much for this video. I have been trying to figure this out for two years, you are the first one to explain it in easy terms. And thanks for the spreadsheet, works like a charm

@jameseahughes 5 жыл бұрын

I learned: 1. I know nothing 2. I need to rewatch video

@manictiger 5 жыл бұрын

He's basically talking about how the tachyonic expression at the median of the normal curve will vary when the gluons cross the mean threshold, where mu crosses sigma. At 4 standard deviations forward of the gravimetric positron relationship curve, there should be a probability of x over y cubed, divided by the sum of all the population means, which is the dark matter constant across the universe, divided by the higgs field mass variance squared times the expansion of polarons divided by matter times change squared.

@lisay5450 5 жыл бұрын

manictiger you forgot pi...thats key to your equation 🤣🤣🤣

5 жыл бұрын

Obviously!

@Zeppelinlv2007 5 жыл бұрын

@@manictiger forgot to carry the one!

@georgedoolittle9015 4 жыл бұрын

just buy an F-450 and you're fine. That simple.

@fhuber7507 6 жыл бұрын

Remember... if you have a camper shell, that is part of your CARGO (payload) You can put it somewhere else in that spreadsheet, but it needs to be counted effectively as payload in the bed.

@BustinBill 3 жыл бұрын

Dude...... Great video. I know this is a few years old but, after the 30 videos I've watched trying to explain trailering and weight....... This is by far the best video and explanation ON THE INTERNET!!!!! Great job!

@sean808080 5 жыл бұрын

I keep coming back to this video again and again as well as referring people to this video. The RV GURU breaks it all down for us. Excellent tutorial.

@mikebrown3603 6 жыл бұрын

Bought my F-350 6.7L PS SRW first then a GD Reflection. Went to CAT scale, weighed it and thankfully all checked well within Ford limits. Totally agree that Salesmen, both truck and 5er, paint a rosey picture, and don’t come close to working the numbers as you’ve done. Excellent video! Kudos to you! I keep a copy of my CAT scale certificate inside the truck, in case I get pulled over.

@leighsheppard8614 6 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I need some clarification. What is a CAT scale? Are we talking about the commercial vehicle weigh stations?

@officer103 6 жыл бұрын

yes he is.

@mikebrown3603 6 жыл бұрын

I apologize for not saying. We found CAT scales along the major interstate highways truck fueling stops. Not always, but frequently. Big yellow sign CAT Scales. Drive on the scale and speakerphone to the scale person inside a booth far away! I said I wanted a weight ticket for the RV and truck. $11 pay inside. You stay in the vehicle when being weighed. Then drive off scale, go to the scale office, pay the fee and get your certificate. For first timers, a little complicated, but really easy. Good luck!

@steve6631 6 жыл бұрын

The CAT scales now have an app for your smart phone. I love it - just drive on the scale and open your app, the app uses gps to know what CAT scale you are on. Tap accept and tap pay on the app ($11) and you get an email with your weights. Don't have to push the button, don't have to talk to anyone, don't have to go inside to pay -- just pull up, open app, activate weighing, get email. Love it!

@Thomas-qk7wf 6 жыл бұрын

Just reread this, "sweet spot for the towing vehicle is 15-20% of GCWR loaded", that should be 15-20% remaining GCWR loaded is the sweet spot. Sorry about that. Great video Mark. Was going to respond on the Patreon page but didn't see this video there this morning. Fantastic information you've provided here. I went through this same exercise before purchasing my trailer last year and, based the information I gathered from seasoned towers, the sweet spot for the towing vehicle is 15-20% of GCWR loaded. Also, most RV manufacturers recommend tongue weight in the neighborhood of 15% of loaded trailer weight. shifting weight inside the trailer can have a big influence on on tongue weight, so if you're light or heavy on the tongue, perhaps you can try moving some of the weight inside the trailer fore or aft to dial in tongue weight. Proper tongue weight goes a long way towards keeping sway in check. Also, too little tongue weight can lighten the rear of the tow vehicle and reduce traction, too much tongue weight can lighten the front end of the tow vehicle causing steering and headlight aim issues. Lastly, you might wanna reach out to fellow content creators Mr. Truck and TFLTruck as they do a lot of great truck/towing related reviews. Good luck.

@KeepYourDaydream 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Thomas. Good info!

@tylermillercoach 5 жыл бұрын

This is so helpful! I downloaded the excel spreadsheet and saved it for future use. Thank you so much!

@420ISTHETIME1 5 жыл бұрын

Spot on. Glad I am not the only one that pays attention to this stuff and wants to be safe and not denied by insurance if I get into a wreck. Thanks for putting the time in to helping people be aware. You have gained a new subscriber 😁

@travisadams4470 6 жыл бұрын

THIS is the information I've been looking for! THANKS!

@jeanninekoski1699 6 жыл бұрын

My husband just researched the fire out of trucks once again. Came to the same conclusion: dullies, one ton long box for pulling our fifth wheel. Great video guys, thank you for this. If folks don’t understand it, I hope they watch it over and over til they do.

@curtegerer7151 6 жыл бұрын

In addition to easily handling the payload, a dually is so much more stable going down the road. It's the proper tool for the job when it comes to 5th wheels.

@jeanninekoski1699 6 жыл бұрын

Curt Egerer: we just moved from Florida to Texas. I was following my husband as he was pulling our Hitchhiker fifth wheel down the highway. A guy went by us pulling a comparable fifth wheel on probably a three-quarter ton without dual lies and that thing swayed really badly. It was interesting to actually be able to compare them side by side and see the stability our truck brought. When my husband bought the truck he actually bought it for me because he knew I would be out on the highway pulling this rig and he wanted me safe.

@curtegerer7151 6 жыл бұрын

No doubt. I'm at a park now and there's a couple with a new Mobile Suites (very heavy trailers) and pulling it with a SRW 1-ton. They also have the added weight of a 80-gallon auxiliary fuel tank in the bed! They've got to be at least 1000-1500 lbs over payload.

@CR-wc7zp 5 жыл бұрын

Outstanding work on this video. I have been a weigh master for over 10 years and I could not have explained that more clearly than you did in this video. You got this! The spreadsheet is very good and the reminder to check manufacturer tire ratings is 100% accurate. Exceeding the manufactures tire weight rating is common and very dangerous.

@sonchascheller5304 4 жыл бұрын

My husband and I found this video and your Excel spreadsheet super helpful! Thank you for all your wonderful tips. You guys do a wonderful job on this channel!

@briancray1232 6 жыл бұрын

Hello. I am a professional driver. So when I went to purchase a truck to tow a trailer/fiver, I researched this subject and purchased a 2017 F350 6.2L long bed crew cab Lariat Value. I purchased it with a GVW 11500lbs option. I stayed away from the F250 because of the lower payload capacity. When I received my new truck, I want to the scale and weighed the actual loaded weight. In this number as loaded it must include all persons, and normal items (like bikes and tools and full fuel). My truck was 7568. I took the GCW (think it is on door) 19,500lbs less actual weight 7568 leaves 11,932. The manual says the tow rating is 12000 but it actual is a bit less. Then you need to see the payload issues. 11500 option less actual weight (7568) equals 3932lbs. That is the amount of payload left from the GCVW. A fifth wheel then puts 15-20% of its actual loaded weight onto the bed of the truck. A 10000 lb loaded 5th wheel will be about 2000lbs but have lots of available payload and under the 11932lb towing capacity. Hope this is helpful. Anyone towing should not be buying a 250, and a larger trailer should likely need a diesel engine but for me, the gas was within what I wanted to tow, but it would limit me in getting a larger trailer. Good luck.

@harleydavidson521 6 жыл бұрын

WOW!!!! Wish i seen this video earlier, i have now learned that my NEW 2018 Ram 1500 5,7 Hemi quad cab truck wont tow anything except an under 30 ultra ultra light, almost zero of what i want in a 5th wheel, So now im going to trade to a diesel 1 ton and get a 5th wheel so i can tow in safety with all the goodies on the rig want, Cheers and happy trails,😀

@RiverWoods111 3 жыл бұрын

Look at the numbers that that truck can tow, cause a diesel engine weighs more than a gas engine, so you might not be able to tow a 5th wheel with that 1 ton dually even, if the extras on it weigh too much.

@samfullerton8918 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the spreadsheet and a walkthrough of this confusing safety measure. We are so excited to tow our trailer with our existing SUV!!! Keep up the good work!

@jescjesi8278 5 жыл бұрын

Your spreadsheet saved me the headache of trying to figure out all the things! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! Y'all's videos have been SO helpful to me. I'm doing all the research to get us started and it looks like we will be RVing soon! Thank you!

@chemtrail_brew_Que 6 жыл бұрын

A good thing to remember is that the hitch weight that is advertised is not the hitch weight when loaded. Usually runs between 10-15% of the trailer's loaded weight.

@KeepYourDaydream 6 жыл бұрын

I wish I would have mentioned that too. I have draw the line somewhere. I wish I would have included more GAWR in my examples and went into tires, but payload is the key message here and the most misunderstood.

@chemtrail_brew_Que 6 жыл бұрын

I agree completely!

@bluelghtning 6 жыл бұрын

I was going to say that generally speaking on 5th wheels, the pin weight is about 20% and going from the GVWR of the 5th wheel, that's going to be quite a bit more on the pin weight than the one the manufacture gives. Overall though great job and I'll be sure to share this for people that don't understand these basic concepts.

@Bubbles99718 6 жыл бұрын

Tires and the air pressure make a huge difference as well.

@gr7485 6 жыл бұрын

In what way? One still has to stay within what the truck and trailer are rated for. There is nothing you can add or do to the truck to increase those numbers without having it re-certified and good luck with that. As mentioned the only numbers that count are the numbers on the labels. If you mean something else please explain.

@ClubMayview 5 жыл бұрын

Never trust the rv salesman on what you can tow.

@MrErichonda30 4 жыл бұрын

Never trust a rv salesman for anything.

@bizzle4819 4 жыл бұрын

Never trust any salesman

@scott8908 3 жыл бұрын

Matthew Burgess Never trust the wrong salesman

@scott8908 3 жыл бұрын

grandpa5x Pulliam That’s the case for most, sure. But that’s a pretty broad statement. I’ve encountered salesmen who actually dissuaded me from a sale because they didn’t think it fit my needs. Just gotta find the right salesman

@ellarry5519 3 жыл бұрын

A salesman wouldn't sell me an rv because he tought it would be too heavy for my truck that he hadn't seen (because we went in a f450 that my friend has) even though I promise him I would be buying an f450 myself in the near future, he still wouldn't sell it to me, today I Thank him for that. I went with the lighter,less expensive, shorter rv, and and today is a year later and have not bought the f450...

@roberthoel4903 4 жыл бұрын

I am currently shopping for RV right now and this video was by far the most helpful. Thank you very much Marc for including the spreadsheet! Not many people talk about Payload and its really eye opening. I have a half ton truck with all the right towing numbers but a comparably low payload (1442lbs) which really limits the Rig I can purchase. Your lesson in this area provides me with solid numbers on which to purchase a travel trailer.

@brianblatt9528 3 жыл бұрын

Great info! That spreadsheet is wonderful. We found the used 5th wheel of our dreams (DRV Mobile Suites - 39 ft) and then had to find the right truck to pull it. We currently had a Ford F-250 and knew that wasn't going to pull it. Found an F-350, which isn't easy right now. We pick up the camper on Wednesday and are excited to hit the road! We will send pictures of ginger!

@mattjohnson3140 6 жыл бұрын

Mark your right on looking at the numbers. But if you or any of the KYD followers are considering a F-350 or 1 tone truck, please look at the F-450. It's close in price, holds more weight ( think safety and stability) bigger running gear, hubs and breaks. And belive it or not turns sharper and runs over bumpy roads smother. We have had 3/4 and 1 tons. And our F-450 out performs them all Keep up the good info Matt Johnson

@vengeance268 6 жыл бұрын

matt johnson you need to make sure it is equipped with the wide track front axle in order to get the better turning.

@mattjohnson3140 6 жыл бұрын

Ray Romero I be live all F-450's come with the wider front end. Ford had to do that to accommodate the larger drive gear and axels that handles the extra weight.

@laurenhansman3447 6 жыл бұрын

You are correct Matt - all F450 and F550 trucks come with the wider front axle which significantly improves the turning radius. For the model year 2015 and 2016 F350 dually trucks with the max tow option Ford added the F450 wide track front axle. I have a 2015 F350 dually with this option and love the significantly reduced turning radius which is very useful when moving a trailer in tight quarters too. Unfortunately Ford no longer offers the wide track front axle on F350 dually trucks starting with the 2017 model year so one has to purchase an F450 to get the wide track front axle now. Note that although the F450 has a higher towing capacity than an F350 dually, the payload capacity of the F450 truck is actually less than that of an F350 dually. This is because the F350 and F450 dually's both have a GVWR of 14,000 pounds but the larger brakes, running gear, front axle etc. increase the weight of an F450 approximately 1,200 pounds over the of an F350 dually. As a result, the F450 can't carry as much as the F350 dually. Having driven F350's for a number of years, I can say that if I were to purchase a dually again I would definitely go the F450 route as I really like the better turning radius and maneuverability with the wide track front axle. Another great video KYD and please keep them coming. Lauren Hansman

@laurenhansman3447 6 жыл бұрын

matt johnson I just pulled up the specs from the Ford website for crew cab duallys: F350 4x2 3,153kg vs F450 4x2 2,540kg F350 4x4 2,967kg vs F450 4x4 2,395kg As I stated the cargo carrying capacity of an F450 crew cab dually pickup truck is around 600kg (1,200lbs) less than that of an F350 dually. Lauren

@d.pollard5962 6 жыл бұрын

matt johnson you and Lauren really brought it home. I will have to reevaluate my next truck purchase. Thanks for the info

@RVHabit 6 жыл бұрын

I learned that most trucks today are probably overweight when towing unless you have a dually one ton. Stay safe, Lou.

@mattjohnson3140 6 жыл бұрын

RV Habit My sister-in-law and her family have a one ton dullie and a 43' 5th wheel toy hauler. WE ran the numbers on her truck, a 2 year old GMC, that the dealer said would be fine, is overloaded by about 2000 pounds. Now she's looking at an F450.

@RVHabit 6 жыл бұрын

matt johnson isn't that something. How eye opening.

@youngblood23rb 6 жыл бұрын

RV Habit That is a pretty good assumption, if only i could weight some of the trucks I see hauling 40+ foot contender or other offshore fishing boats, down in South Louusiana, squatting like crazy. This was a very informative video

@dougfzrr 6 жыл бұрын

matt johnson better off with the f350 DRW as it has a higher payload. The 450 and 350 have the same GVWR but the 350 is considerably lighter. Towing capacities are very similar if no the same.

@JoeHynes284 6 жыл бұрын

I've always assumed that, this video is a great break down of it

@edwardbaebler243 4 жыл бұрын

We have been watching you for a few years, and enjoy EVERY video. we are in the market for a new camper, without changing our TV. this video saved us from buying a rig that would have made us illegal. THANKS so much for the spreadsheet.

@woodsafamadventures 4 жыл бұрын

We’re from Indianapolis and just got our first camper! We have 4 kids and are looking forward to many family vacation adventures:-). We have learning so much watching your videos, and this video was extremely helpful. My husband loves spreadsheets and was finally able to understand all these weight numbers. We realized the first camper we almost bought should not be pulled by our current vehicle. Thankfully we hadn’t made that deal final when we found this video. We did end up getting a camper that we know we can safely tow (hybrid with bunkhouse). Thanks for the spreadsheet and all your tips!!

@philo2808 6 жыл бұрын

Great vid as usual, but I wish u talked more about tongue weight. And I like the V8 over diesel, dont like those 400.00 oil changes.

@KeepYourDaydream 6 жыл бұрын

What spec. about tongue weight? There will be another opportunity for me to cover this topic. Btw, based on your profile pic...I think you'll like tonights video. Check back at 6pm.

@philo2808 6 жыл бұрын

Keep Your Daydream ok thanx

@bmechanic4621 5 жыл бұрын

it's herts my head, but i need to know!

@cbro777 4 жыл бұрын

For those of us who are details crazy this was a very important video. I really hope people pay attention to the details and all the work you put into putting this together. It's so important to have the right Towing specs on the vehicles you're going to utilize. I've seen so many RVs and pickup truck combinations that have ended up rolling over flipping over skidding off the road due to bad weather. And that whole liability issue is real my friends. Do it right and Never take shortcuts trust me it's not worth it.

@woodyhuband9248 5 жыл бұрын

This is excellent information. Just yesterday I switched from a Class B to a trailer and I'm about to start the search for a tow vehicle. Thankfully this video popped up which will save me a lot of research time. Thanks!

@mikejohnson7862 6 жыл бұрын

Another related topic that should be mentioned when showing the Dually numbers or even the heavy payload packages of 1 ton trucks is that once you go over 26,000 lbs CGVWR many states require a Class A drivers license essentially equivalent of CDL for non-commercial drivers. I would venture to guess most dually RVers don’t have this.

@reptzo 6 жыл бұрын

Just a heads up, this is very state dependent. In Arizona, as long as it is personal for recreational non-commercial use, there are effectively no licensing restrictions/requirements. That is per AZ DOT. You still have to comply with vehicle capabilities and length restrictions, but weight and size don't change licensing in AZ. So make sure you look up your specific state laws.

@mikejohnson7862 6 жыл бұрын

Yep, lots of rules by state. I guess I should say many states have rules about this and one should validate to be sure. This looks like a pretty good 1st stop for info. changingears.com/rv-sec-state-rv-license.shtml

@BFerry10 6 жыл бұрын

This is exactly the analysis that we did. We chose the travel trailer first which has a GVWR of 10,000. I knew I wanted a diesel and 4wd. I went to the dealership and was surprised at how little carrying capacity a crew cab F250 diesel 4x4 had. 2115 lbs for the truck I looked at. We just purchased (last week) a 2018 F350 SRW crew cab diesel 4x4. The GVWR is 11,500. The carrying capacity is 3,626 lbs. That gives me a fair amount of cushion on top of a 1,000 lb tongue weight. The F250 that I test drove was rode great. It didn't ride like a wagon. There was no F350 in the configuration that I wanted available to test drive in North Texas. I was nervous about the ride on the F350. I am happy to report that it is a firm ride but not nearly as uncomfortable as a Jeep Wrangler. It sits up tall. Taller than the F250s. That took a little getting used to. It gets better. I am averaging 17.5 - 18 mpg in city driving. We pick up our Arctic Fox trailer in June and off to the Tetons we go.

@KeepYourDaydream 6 жыл бұрын

Nice. Congrats. Great truck!

@robertmoore8705 6 жыл бұрын

Try using sulastic shackles on your leaf springs for a better ride...see big truck big rv videos.

@Bubbles99718 6 жыл бұрын

Drop the 4×4 unless you absolutely need it. That eats into payload capacity. It also wrecks everything a little bit. Brakes, suspension, gas mileage. It typically adds 400 to 500 lbs to a truck. Weight is the killer. Lay off the nachos too. :)

@BFerry10 6 жыл бұрын

Sean O We absolutely needed the 4x4

@Bubbles99718 6 жыл бұрын

BFerry10 and the nachos?

@dwoodygura 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. This is exactly what we needed as we are looking for a truck to tow a 22ft lightweoght camper. The sales people tell you all kinds of things and only look at towing capacity. Your work sheet is very useful. I feel like many folks I see towing are likely doing so in an unsafe manner.

@tedgraham3119 4 жыл бұрын

Super informative video!! Thanks so much. I didn’t realize I knew so little, and have been towing race cars, boats, RV’s and motorcycles for over 40 years! No problems so far, but I will pay a LOT more attention to these numbers in the future.

@gizmopilot 6 жыл бұрын

I had just done these numbers before I ordered my 2018 platinum f150 w Max Tow and decided to stay conventional trailer with my hensley. I didn’t have the heart to bring it up to you just after you got your beautiful new f250 - you may want to look into redistribution of the trailer payload to reduce your tongue weight it seems heavy for your trailer weight - also when you are using the weight distribution and weigh your completely loaded rig you may be surprised how much weight gets moved back to the trailer and off the tongue. Good Luck on your decision 😐

@KeepYourDaydream 6 жыл бұрын

We're looking into the Hensley too. Nice.

@DanKuhn 5 жыл бұрын

Right? 280 pounds over, 300 pounds of cargo... Why did you get a 28' travel trailer only to throw 300 pounds of cargo in the truck? The point of having a massive TT is so you can put ALL your stuff in it.

@tombrennan6312 5 жыл бұрын

Weight distribution hitches take load off the rear axle but reduce tongue weight. An overloaded receiver will still be overload using a WD hitch even though an overloaded rear axle may no longer be.

@glenf4115 5 жыл бұрын

@@tombrennan6312 Correct, the spring bars of a WD hitch ADD tongue weight to the hitch. They simply apply torque to the tow vehicle to push the front of the tow vehicle down if your headlights are pointed up into the sky.

@billstmaxx 5 жыл бұрын

leave the kids at home... Problem solved! :)

@agentorange2554 3 жыл бұрын

And by no means should you bring the mother in law!!!!!

@clydedawson5745 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this comprehensive overview. Even though I have been hauling TTs for 25 years, I was ignorant of the GCVWR and the inclusion of the tongue weight as part of my tow vehicle payload. I feel fortunate that in the early years, my chevy astro van pulled like a tank. I always based my calculations on the UVW (unknowingly) and it scares me to think of the scenarios that could have transpired considering I was hauling a 26' TT with my wife and 5 children in the van all through the US and Canada. I have now purchased a 2011 Chevy Avalanche and a 24' TT since my wife and I are now empty nesters. I used your excel spreadsheet and everything is within the limits of each category. I even went to our local CAT Scale (which I previously knew nothing about) and checked all my axle weights and I can say with certainty, we are ready to travel. Keep up the good work and safe travels!!

@mikeurquhart6405 3 жыл бұрын

Best explanation of towing capacity I've found to date! As a result (and a couple of verification visits to the local CAT scales), I found I was typically over my max payload (and Truck GVWR). Thankfully, I was able to upgrade from my 3/4 to a 1 ton truck with more than enough capacity to safely pull my half-ton rated 5th wheel. Safety and peace of mind is everything! Thank you for the lesson...I was pretty much cluless about this aspect of towing.

@roberthohlt469 6 жыл бұрын

Wow. One of the best tow cap videos I can remember seeing. Is there any way you can make that spreadsheet available?

@KeepYourDaydream 6 жыл бұрын

Yes, once I have it double checked and add disclaimers... I'll add it to the blog for download.

@hoslogistics 6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely essential information. In commercial vehicles the fine for being overweight is generally $1 per pound. Of course every state is different and more likely the fines are different for RV's.

@kobra997 6 жыл бұрын

Gilbert Hernandez there are no fines for non commercial overweight towing

@KeepYourDaydream 6 жыл бұрын

Regarding no fines for non-commercial towing, I read otherwise in my research, but don't have first hand experience. A comment above said he got a ticket in OR for being over gross when he was pulled over for speeding. I think some states crack down. I think OR is one of them.

@kobra997 6 жыл бұрын

Keep Your Daydream there is no state with penalties for non commercial overweight towing. Some states charge registration fees based on towing capacity. Some people are under reporting capacity for registration and then towing over. They chase them.

@Rws111111 6 жыл бұрын

Yep, NC is one of those states. They don't seem to care if you are over GVWR or GCVWR. As long as your registration shows you paid the right tax, you could tow a house with a F150. BUT, it's the lawyers that will get you... not to mention the lives that are lost or changed forever if you are in an accident. That's what motivates me to stay within the limits.

@kobra997 6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, I am not encouraging towing above the specs. However, I am not big fan of sharing FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt)

@ewalgamott 5 жыл бұрын

This is a great video! I ran the numbers on the Excel sheet on my pickup and rv and realized that I was within the weight rating of my pickup. The dealer I bought my pickup from tried talking me into a F150 but I told him it wouldn't handle my 5th wheel very well. Thanks for making all of this info available!

@jxuan0 3 жыл бұрын

This is the first video that I found on your channel. I really appreciate your clean explanation of this topic. My impression is that this channel is about the technical stuff of RV. After browsing travel blogs for a long time, I found another channel, full of passion for RV life and life in general. Today I realized that it is just one channel with all of these together - KYD! Hope that I can get this when I checked this first for the first time.