Yeah it isvl weird

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Ye, I was even surprised when I learned that it wasnt the case in religion class. My teacher, a former priest, clarified that the dead don't turn into angels, I think he said they're just spirits (not sure but either way, not angel) and if theyre worthy enough, turn into saints

Did that come from interactions with cultures in Ireland or West Africa that believed in ancestor worship or spirit realms, maybe? Interesting question for sure.

@@CourtneySchwartz Lot of other cultural groups include some degree of ancestor worship as well, bear in mind

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I don't think I've ever heard angels theorized in any of those ways but I see how it would apply for some.

Yeah, malakh means "messenger". So a malakh/angel is any spirit who acts as a messenger from God. But the hebrew bible mentions a lot of spiritual beings in heaven. And not all of them are messengers/malakh. The Seraphim (literally means "fiery flying serpent") and the Cherubim for example are depicted as a high rank class of spiritual entities, far more powerful than mere messengers. God is also depicted as having a whole set of spirits helping him in ruling the universe, kinda of like a heavenly court or council. Among these beings in God's court there's a spirit who acts as a persecutor of mankind, accusing humans and testing their faith by punishing them with illness, poverty and war (with the permission of God himself). This is the being that Christianity calls the Devil or Satan. But the hebrew Bible depicts him more like a servant of God and an enemy of mankind, rather than an enemy of God himself. And besides all these beings, there's also demons, wich are these animalistic monstrous and cannibalistic spirits living in ruins and wild places, possessing humans and causing all kinds of illness (but they're still under God's command, as are all things in the universe). The hebrew cosmology is fascinating! And as a believer, I think that modern day religions usually don't understand the real concepcts of spiritual entities and hierarchy that the ancient hebrew texts teach. God does not has a powerful arch enemy trying to overthrow him. He's the all powerful creator, and all things are under his law and command. There are good spirits serving him, whose job is to help mankind. And there's also evil spirits under him, who hate mankind and act as persecutors, testing our morals and our faith with evil and punishing sinners (but still serving God's plan while doing it).

@@eduardonevesreis9299 As an Irish and gay man. I find the idea that god punishes "sinners" with things like illness, poverty, and war a dangerous one that could (and has) been used by believers to justify not trying to prevent deaths caused by those things. Such an argument was used by the British when they cut off aid to the Irish population during the famine, leading to over a quarter of the island dying. And a similar one was made during the AIDs crisis, contributing to minimal government action to develop treatments. Both were genocidal actions motivated in part by this kind of theology. So personally I can't really see the value in it, it being more accurate to the oldest abrahamic religious texts not really being something I see as important given that those were written by fallible humans and have traceable influences from other belief systems; and so to me do not in any way reflect a singular truth about the higher powers of the world.

@@eoincampbell1584 you can (and you should) try to prevent illness, poverty and death by human means. You, being human, has all the rights to do what you need to survive and improve your life. But by the end of the day, the bad things in your life will only cease when God/Yahweh allow you to have these human means that you need to stop it. So by the end of day, the Creator rules it all. And as my grandmother used to say, bad things are terrible when they happen, but they happen for a reason. It can be a punishment, an example, a life teaching (for you or for others) or a test for your morals, faith and resilience. But it all comes from God, good and evil comes from him. It's even said in the Torah that he creates light and darkness, and makes the rain fall for both good and bad people. The higher powers of the world not always would be like the idea of "perfect goodness and kindness" that we have, or that we want them to be. You can see by the way that nature works that the Creator is both beautiful/merciful/good and frigthening/mighty/terrible in his wrath. Everything around us is like that. A mix of joy and terror. But that's my perspective as a believer

Malak is the word for Angel in arabic

@@eoincampbell1584 perhaps. But I suspect the perpetrators of such acts would just use a different fig leaf. After all, to do nothing and allow suffering to fester unchecked is the main way one fails such "tests". So, it's not like those "justifications" hold up under scrutiny in that worldview either.

The Iblis not being an angel thing is an invention to avoid the issue of the angels possibly being evil. The wording of the Quran uses the word for "except" when discussing Iblis not being like the other angels in the context. By looking at the usage of the word for "except" in the Quran, it is clear it means that Iblis is an angel and thus the djinn are a subset of angels.

The Qur'an clearly says "he was from the Jinn."

@@lorigoshert6667 Djinn are obviously a subset of angels.

@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana No they aren't, jinn are completely different beings made from smokeless fire... And angels are beings made from noor...Please don't make up false assumptions....

@@Nightstar3242 Angels are said to be made from fire too...

Nobody knows who wrote Revelation.

@@davidhartz5301 John of Patmos. We know that his name was John and that he was exiled on the island of Patmos. We also know that he wrote Greek badly and that his vision included references to the Gospels and the Hebrew scriptures, which is why the beings from the visions of the major prophets show up there.

@@davidhartz5301 that is not relevant as it was the custom to assign a writers name to a work, this can be seen through history the books of Jaise Cesar were written 50 yeas after his death but are assigned to him by custom. This can be seen even today in some works. And If I remember correctly the book does claim that the "beloved apostille" wrote it and that would have been John.

@@Delgen1951 I looked it up. Revelation is in the form of a letter written by a man who introduces himself as John, writing from the island of Patmos, where he had been sent by the Romans for proselytizing Christianity. Some very early sources refer to an apocalyptic writing by John the Apostle, so people assume that it might be the book of Revelation. Others think the style of writing is too different from the book and letters dictated by John (as John himself could not read or write). That is why I said that we know that his name was John, we do not know if it was the Apostle. At the first Council of Nicea the church leaders decided that all texts by primary sources (that is, people who knew Christ personally) and secondary sources (people who knew the primary sources) should be copied so that every church would have a copy. This became our New Testament. So, not knowing if John of Patmos was the Apostle John doesn't mean we don't know anything about him, we know a lot, but not that specific thing. Edited for clarity.

Angeles are servensats and a good servant ALWAYS points to his master.

Yes. Cherubims are indeed not the cute naked angel babies we see a lot in art and movies that are actually based on puttis (I'm not sure of the names) which are just common characters artists back in the days include when creating paintings or sculptures with divine themes. I think it's that part this video got wrong or maybe they are actually referring to pop culture depictions of cherubims. I'm not an expert so Google it to make sure.

Does the video say that the cherubim we're described in religious texts as babies, or that they were depicted that way by artists?

The 4 living creatures in Revelation are far less human since they are covered in eyes.

@@periwinklepeach7 The small, infantile "angel" figures common in Renaissance art are at one point referred to as Cherubim in the video. I think that there's just a slight misspoken moment/conflation going on. Those figures, often referred to as putti, are also often called "Cherubs" in common parlance, even though they have no connection to the actual descriptions of Cherubim.

Was surprised this didn’t come up.

And Doctor Who

And Midnight Mass

and the various Charlie's Angels reboots

It's fascinating, and scary, that people take any of this seriously.

Me too 😱

Well, plus, appaaaarently they just wanted to F*CK...? .... Just like the rest of us, no doubt... but at least when I do the deed I don't create GIGANTIC EFFIN' CANNIBALS?! haha what the, where did that come from?? haha =)

Or the version where they had to because their true forms would destroy any mortals who witnessed them.

@@deadknight1402 Except special folks!

Provided the vessel doesn't explode!!!!!

@@adeletaylor6143 Gotta drink the demon blood.

Although I know it’s not portrayed as horrifically as you described, I always loved the Cherubim in Madeleine L’Engle’s “A Wind in the Door” who is an amalgamation of many wings, eyes and puffs of flame and is described at one point (before anyone knows what it is) as “a drive of dragons.” Much more interesting than a fat baby with a bow and arrow!

I still find the idea of naked flying babies who try to get people to f*** all day creepier than any other monster.

Actually, cherubim are Persian. Like winged sphinx more so...

I think that in later Jewish texts they are baby-like.

Cherubim seem like they probably have a common origin with various other hybrid creatures like the sphinx or griffin.

Hey, I know that song! We used to listen to one of her albums on the road when I was in high school.

Probably

There are. For example, the Book of Enoch describes Metatron as having 72 wings.

@@NovaSaber ...I can see why that one didn't get as popular, people probably didn't want to try and draw that many wings...

There's a KZfaqr by the name of Wendigoon who does a breakdown of the different types of angels, what they are said to look like, and where we get those descriptions from. He brings up quite a few books that were removed from biblical doctrine between the first and fourth centuries CE. It's really interesting, and as someone who was religious but no longer is, I think it's very well researched.

@@NovaSaber that's way too much wings XD i understand why it wasn't kept XD

What hurts Lovecraft for me is when his "things beyond description or comprehension" are painstakingly described in exquisite anatomical detail, and given plausible backstory and straightforward motivations. "Mountains of Madness" and "Whisperer in Darkness" are good examples.

@@stevenscott2136 And the racism. Fortunately there are plenty of derivative works that do better on that.

@@taiga738 Love the racism.

"Different" isn't as scary anymore.

Nah, fewer and fewer people have seen them except in really religious circles since people discovered the scientific method. It's curious how god explanations shrink with increasing human knowledge. It's just a sphere of ignorance.

Actual biblically accurate angels are wingless and humanoid but are casted in an unbearable light. I do not believe Cherubim, Seraphim, and the other orders were even remotely considered angels.

​@Manmoy Sadakat Exactly. I've looked up Bible verses before about such entities. Nothing, absolutely nothing states that they are angels. Actually, it's a lot more likely they are separate heavenly beings, as there was a description that was formatted in a way that the powers and other heavenly beings were separated in the text. Don't remember it though.

Sometimes it’s interpreted not as a physical threatening/weird look but rather the sheer awe that the words of God inspire

Even in this video! The cherubim labelled in the hierarchy thing were all eyes and wings and whatnot, but the images flashed on screen when they were mentioned otherwise? Putti.

So, he's a high-ranking Messenger but only for protection

Michael is kind of a tier of his own, being an Archangel is kind of his title or celestial status. Some texts imply that Satan may have been related to the Seraphim, with the abnormal amount of similarities with snakes and other such things that apply to Seraphim.

They weren't fallen angels, as the video claims, though. In fact, Ahadith, which makes it sound like they are, are fabricated.

Iblis is the Islamic version of Satan or the Accuser, he has Satan's sin of Pride.

depends on who you ask, majority of muslims now believe he's a djinn but early islamic & Sufi scholars connected him to Azazil, one of the archangels who refused to bow to Adam and was cast out. Even Ibn Abbas (companion and relative of Muhammad corroborated on this version). But nevertheless the Quran still describes some angels being very scary and physically intimidating.

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@@Delgen1951 and they named him allah with his daughters al uzza al manat and al lat

So, basically, a demon

He was raised by the Angels, though. It's interesting to note, as well, that in Islamic understandings, angels actually don't have free will. Only Humans and Djinns chose to take on the "burden" of free will, which means that they would be judged for their actions, unlike other celestial and worldly creatures.

I noticed a few small details that aren’t exactly correct throughout this video as well. I don’t know if this is done to keep the video short or if they are just research errors.

@@jdwright89 if this video was meant to be educational, I think it was the lack of effort to reconfirm information on their part

@@snowballeffect7812 but if angels dont have free will then how did an angel defy Allah to become Satan when the Quran even says that Allah make Satan out of a pillar of fire?

@@CMuscleCrisis He wasn't an angel. I stated that he was a djinn. Angels are apparently made out of light. edit: sorry, i didn't state it, but the OP did. I should have made that clear.

That reminds me of Galeem.

Pullman's depiction of God and His Angels is extremely inaccurate.

The name Satan is not a proper name it is a job description like The President or Prosecuting Attorney.

Lack of recognition is hardly surprising. Very few "read-the-Bible" types actually *read* their Bibles.

unless you are an infidel, there is no reason to fear.

@@rizkyadiyanto7922 I don't believe in Angels or the concept of Infidels, anyway. Regardless if people say they believe in me. Lol.

So people don't recognize your fantasy as the real thing. All the proof you need they're wrong. Good judgement on your part. HaHaHaHaHaaa

I mean, nine times out of ten, an angel greets humans with “fear not” or similar. Kind of implies that, whatever they appear as, it’s something awesome or frightening.

Angels cinematic universe

Yeah that low key annoys me. It is pretty popular in pop culture.

That's pretty intense, is that an anime?

I love all the designs of the SMT franchise, especially in the more recent installments

@@lizc6393 it’s an rpg series

I'd also suggest the surprisingly accurate depictions of them in Bayonetta.

no that's not true. And Valkries are something completely different

I can understand how one would consider them similar. At a first glance (I don't know much about valkyries so all I have is a first glance), valkyries seem more similar to angels than, say, Nike does, and Nike was mentioned in the video.

@@fairycat23 just because they're winged doesn't mean they're similar. Angel is a job desciption its not what they are

@@shawnhall3849 Thank you! The _video_ impled "winged = similar" when they brought up Isis and Nike. I was springboarding off that oversimplification.

There are no “guides to the afterlife” for dead humans in the Bible, so yes, all such theories would have been adapted from Norse mythology or Greek and Roman mythology. There are no guides for the dead in the Bible because God’s word goes into effect in a way that is immediate and timeless. There is neither time nor space to separate a dead human from his resurrected form when God calls him to wake up. Note also that the notion of “death” is entirely dispensed with at the end of time, with the punishment for nonbelievers simply being to be in the “outer darkness”.

It's the Arabian Dance from The Nutcracker

Glad I’m not the only one who was confused. Might be somewhat of an “outside looking in” issue.

Yeah it was an inaccuracy

@@eroraf8637 It is the writer had no clue and used the cultural view which just wrong.

They are called melekh and they do represent the will of God so there is that :P

Wonderful video btw!!!

If I am not mistaken he was originally a Jinni but he became an angel before he fell.

@@Pingwn no he was always a jinn but he was once a good jinn until he refused 2 bow because he was jealous of the 1st human

@@Pingwn No, it's not possible to "become" an angel. Angels and Jinn are completely different beings and one cannot become the other.