Thank you for sharing

I love this analysis and these suggestions. It's in perfect balance.

Your words hold a lot of wisdom

It is good to hear another perspective. It's not simply an ecological issue but an ethical one; as I have citied previously, whale death is inevitablely slow and stressful and painful, and the larger the animal the worse it is. This is something that makes egregious whether it's done for cultural reasons (as in this article ir say the practices of the Faroe Islanders) or commercial/habitual reasons such as in Japan. It is a complex issue.

I wish you success and all the luck in your endeavor.

Great point!

And dont forget all the pollution pumped into the ocean by china and others.....

Probably a lot (checking for sub & underwater drone activity maybe more than in past years) from the military in all concerned countries with all that is going on politically in the world.

The construction involved in the creation of offshore wind farms is killing whales too.

@@jaykilborn2508 Also noise pollution when completed, infrasound.

The Blonde Maori from ancient Persia/Indus Valley would be proud too. The Phoenicians are everywhere, even in non-Maori. Serious culture that; I doubt we ever wasted a thing.

If they want naturally predeceased whales, no one should object. But killing live whales would be tragic. I don’t understand how any government would even consider it.

Odd how they don't mention how piles of whales an dolphins have been washing up recently cause of the Beijing Biden regime putting windmills out in the ocean

My thoughts: Exactly! Thx TragoudistrosMPH

And full of bloody lies, try an information source that is reputable.

@@grancitodos7318 ...and your reputable source is...?

@@TragoudistrosMPH I was working amongst the grey whales and the marine biologists who made the biopsies of the dead ones.

It is a good description of how difficult it is to find and develop evidence to support a theory. Whereas there are so many people that assert that they have complex questions like this completely understood after reading just one social media post.

They sorted out nothing, they just spewed a heap of lies, that are circulating among the big mouth know nothing sudo science idiots.

Well. Japan is dumping Fukushima nuclear radioactive waste water into the Pacific Ocean. What could go wrong. 🤔 It is still on going.

@@cosmoray9750 The whales died from starvation, due to over population, where I live.

Thank you for your comment. It may be that the smaller whales are orphans. If their mothers starved on the way back north, the calves may have learned algae grubbing after her milk failed. Fewer whales may have been able to adopt.

Are you perhaps seeing the Sounders? - the group that feast on ghost shrimp in rivers at high tides?

Honestly I wasn't familiar with the sounders until googling just now after seeing your reply. It is very possible - the ones I've seen have been in the north end of the Whidbey basin. Unfortunately I don't have good enough pictures to make an id since by the time my phone camera is zoomed and focused they have submerged. Probably would need to have my dslr? @@theresjer

I saw one bottom feeding, for about 45 minutes, in Discovery Bay two summers ago@@curtisjohnson6735

I have seen grays feeding that way in Baja....maybe the amounts of calories from this feeding doesn't compare much to the massive krill school feeding....(?)

How to quantify this intelligence? What is the cut-off for a moral dinner? Making it about intelligence, isn't this just making this just all about us, again?

@@archmage_of_the_aether Good questions. As the moral values in question are ours, I would argue that the morality bar is also ours to set. We are, sadly, a sample size of one when it comes to intelligence. I think, with continued scientific enquiry , that will change.

More gray whales are killed by fishing gear than traditional hunting. Are you going to stop eating fish because it's morally questionable?

@@LisaBeergutHolst It's okay to eat fish because they don't have any feelings...

@@LisaBeergutHolst yes. Also, every year fish have more weird toxins in them.

So these people already have a history of reining themselves in. If you knew how big this tribe was and how many whales they are proposing g to hunt you would understand it’s not I critical issue. They aren’t asking for luxuries, just the chance to practice a moderate amount of their traditions that have gone on for thousands of years. These peoples culture is based on these whales. They are the last ones that want to see them extinct

It’s not just “nice for the people involved,” did you not hear anything the Makah member said? It’s a spiritual, cultural practice that is part of what defines their very existence, and it’s kinky under threat because of the white man and global capitalism. Native tribes and indigenous populations are not responsible for the proliferation of the Industrial Revolution that has harmed our climate and delicate ecosystems so much. We have a lot to learn from slowing down to observe native people performing their sacred rituals and traditions. Asking them to sacrifice those AGAIN because of white people is incredibly missing the point.

@@andrewwalton6535 Traditions that have gone on for thousands of years are all well and good but unfortunately and as unfair as they my view it, traditions will have to change in the increasingly resource-depleted world of the future. I'm sure if you could ask a whale what they thought about "traditions" they would have a drastically different take on it.

@@innocentnemesis3519 In light of the steadily declining whale populations I don't think it matters who or what is to blame. It may be seen by these people as "unfair" but the fact remains that hunting these animals is putting another pressure on them that is contributing to their demise. "Traditions" that extended over periods when whale numbers were essentially unlimited are an anachronism in a world of resource limitation. Eight billion+ people on the planet will only lead to more and more restrictions being imposed to safeguard the shrinking natural world. You may not like it. We all may not like increased regulation and limited freedoms but that's the price to pay for unlimited human growth and exploitation of the natural world.

@@garysheppard4028 Okay, let us know when you stop buying things transported by ship, which kill far more whales than traditional hunting.

I'm a birder living in SW Mexico. Every Fall I wait for the migrants; fewer every year. The Christmas Bird Count here may show something different. I hope so.

@sidstovell2177 I have visited the rapter center o Vancouver Island a few times over the last ten years, and they find a huge number of raptors dead in their wind farms every year. Funny if they find a raptor in an oil field trying pond the oil company gets fined hundreds of thousand dollars!

I never understood erecting giant bird killers in the name of “saving the planet.” The resources to make those things are astronomical, they deface nature, doesn’t make sense in any sense at all.

Nah, it more likely all the underwater military sonar system arrays screwing/jamming up the whales natural sonar.

It was all lies, studies of dead whales in Bahia Magdelena, revealed that they died from starvation caused by over population, and they feed the whole time they are here, so they don't rely on the food in Alaska. 10 months without eating, what a bloody stupid statement.

Fukishima waters.......

I grew up in Cape Town…….amongst the different types of whales were…southern right whales which migrate from Antarctica in summer…..brydes whales and humpback whales and also blue whales in the Atlantic but these are quite rare…..sadly I’ve seen false killer whales beached and pilot whales……and quite often the southern right whales are hit by cargo ships and wash up on shore……there must be many more which sink and are eaten and so are unaccounted for,

In the small town of Eldridge, where tales of the supernatural were woven into the fabric of everyday life, a mysterious house stood abandoned for decades. Local whispers spoke of ghostly apparitions and eerie sounds emanating from within its decrepit walls. One brave soul, named Emma, decided to unravel the mysteries that cloaked the old house. As Emma cautiously stepped through the creaking door, she felt an unsettling chill in the air. Dust danced in the faint light filtering through cracked windows. Determined, she explored room after room, discovering forgotten artifacts that hinted at a tragic past. In the dim hallway, she stumbled upon an old mirror with an ornate frame. "Whales are beautiful beings! These scientists are wonderful, doing amazing work," whispered a disembodied voice, catching Emma off guard. As she gazed into the mirror, a reflection not her own stared back-an ethereal figure, frozen in despair. The ghostly presence whispered a haunting truth about the house's history-a tale of betrayal, lost love, and a curse that bound souls to the decaying structure. Emma, now entwined in the supernatural web, felt an otherworldly force gripping her soul. The house seemed to come alive with anguished whispers and flickering shadows. Desperation filled the air as Emma realized she, too, was becoming part of the tragic narrative. In a final, chilling moment, the mirror reflected a distorted version of Emma, trapped in the same despair as the ghostly apparitions. The house absorbed her essence, sealing her fate alongside the tormented souls of Eldridge. "Whales are beautiful beings! These scientists are wonderful, doing amazing work," she repeated, her voice now joining the chorus of sorrow within the haunted dwelling. The once-curious investigator became a permanent resident, eternally bound to the unique horror that lurked within its walls.

The Welch are, but I don't know what they're saying.

​@@apocalypse487Bad!

Excellent point! East coast groundings have increased dramatically in the last few years perfectly matching the timeframe of sound mapping and installations of wind turbines. Odd (or maybe intentional?)they don’t even mention in this vid.

I agree. Religion and culture are not a reason to hunt these beautiful sentient creatures. Commercial whaling should be 100% banned. Looking at you Japan and Iceland.

Everyone has cultural practices from the past, and many of those should stay in the past. We can do better now.

I too have very conflicted feelings about this. I would cite however that, as far as I'm aware, there's no 'humane' way to kill a whale, especially one so large. By that I mean quick, as painless and stressless as possible. In UK waters I feel the same about Faroe Island practices. Tradition... yeah some need to die out and while having respect for the ocean, spirituality is something that is easily warped. However considering the myriad of challenges the ocean faces thanks to the 'developed' world - the decline in fish stocks of all kinds, extinction threats to nearly all sharks and the interdependence between large baleen whales and the fertilisation of the ocean - not to mention the killing of whales by Japan etc, it feels like this tribes practice is pretty low down on the list? I would worry that we're focusing too much on a small detail because the bigger picture is too overwhelming. It's mainly the protracted time it takes for a whale to die is... challenging. It's very complicated. Ethical issues are. Who knew lol

I think that’s a Eurocentric way of viewing things. I’d like to hear from Native peoples speaking on this topic. To boil thousands of years of culture to “religion” just doesn’t do it any justice. That’s just me tho.

@@tonyhall1421 some cultural things just have to stop even if they’ve been done for thousands of years. Genital mutilation is another.

Why? PBS had nova.

Why? They've been producing high quality docs for decades , now.

She is speaking from a script, but I'll bet in her real life, she doesn't add the inappropriate 'like' every third word.

What decline? From actual research in gray whale stocks: "The population size of the ENP gray whale stock has increased over several decades" and " 22% increase in ENP gray whale abundance over 2010/2011 levels" and "Abundance estimates of PCFG whales increased from 1998 through 2004, remained stable for the period 2005-2010, and have steadily increased during the 2011-2015 time period". Source: NOAA Fisheries Pacific Marine Mammal Stock Assessments 2020. There is no decline and the proposed hunt is for 0.01% of the population (2-3 whales/year out of 20,000).

Thank you. Tradition is peer pressure from dead people. There are a ton of things that every society used to do that they stopped once realizing it wasn't cool. If your spirituality is dependent on killing an animal for no reason, maybe take a step back and think about that.

Yes, what about the whale's rights?

Hunting whales in this day and age is unnecessary and cruel.

After 100 years of not hunting whales, they want to pick up that torch again. Dirtbags probably found some market that wants to buy them and now it's a treaty issue.

The grey whale population has increased substantially in 100 years since the stop of commercial whaling . But now with a limited food source the individuals are competing for resources.

​@@carinaekstrom1....INDEED, SO WHALES MUST VE BEEN HUNTED SO THEY WONT DIE OF HUNGER, HEHE ........BY THE WAY, WITH MODERN METHODS OF REGULATION THERE IS A NO WAY TO ALLOW THESE TO EXTINCT...... ....SO, I SEE NO OBSTACLES AGAINST APPEARANCE OF CANNED WHALE MEAT ON SHELVES........... .....AND YESSS, ALL SCREAMING AGAINST IT IS BASICALLY BABOON HERD INCTINCT HIERARCHY .......... ABOUT THOSE WHO SHOUTING SUCH A GIBBERISH WANT TO BE NOTED BY GERONTOCRATS TO HAVE A CHANCE TO BE PROMOTED ONTO HIGHER RANK IN SOCIETY, KIND OF LIKE THAT......... NOTHING ABOUT *_REAL_* THINGS, JUST A HIERARCHIAL BEHAVIOR

It is highly advantageous for us as human beings if human beings do not go extinct. Trying to retain the conditions that prevent that is imperative for that reason.

We are literally CREATING this problem and you are saying we aren't responsible, it's just "change"? Jesus.

Humans aren't trying to "keep everything static." Individual humans act to suck up even more of the planet's resources to feed into the global economy thereby exchanging them for a greater piece of the economy's wealth. The resources aren't one thing, they're everything and anything that can find some value to someone else in the economy. Animal, vegetable, mineral - anything that can be eaten, or fed, or can fertilize, or can be burned, or can be pounded into a new road surface. That's not keeping everything static, it's consuming everything for the momentary local gain.

@@Providence83 climate change is beneficial to humans.

@@knocknwalk do whales have value? If so, then the economy will ensure they survive.

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