Pain is the greatest teacher. Not in the "hurting someone that isnt doing what you want" but in the "Ouch! Maybe I shouldnt touch the Hot Stove again" type.

Men in the 1960s when their dinner is cold:

He's too far gone, he's torturing himself for magic cards now

“I’m not a masochist, I swear.” - Markiplier

Teachers in the 1950s be like:

Kishimoto before writing nagato's arc:

I think it can be educational if the person consents, because then they don't feel like control has been completely taken away from them - they chose to subject themselves to pain in order to learn. Otherwise, it's a super mixed bag. Negative reinforcement has a place, but PHYSICAL negative reinforcement is far more difficult to nail.

Pain is definitely educational. 1 min and 45 secs into this video I found a wasp in my bed. And by “I found a wasp in my bed.” I mean a wasp stung me while I was laying in bed. I learned that I need to seal my window around the AC unit better, I learned that I know more interesting ways to cuss than I used to, I learned that I can still vault over a couch when motivated to get a fly swatter, I learned that a wasp sting feels exactly like jamming a sewing needle into your hand and wiggling it around. Then after the wasp was no more I learned that it was a paper wasp and they are less aggressive then yellow jackets only when you don’t accidentally grab them. The last things I learned before coming and posting this completely unnecessary comment is that tomorrow I will be spraying around my window with peppermint and replacing my current curtains with red ones. In short pain is educational! Look at all that sparkly new knowledge I have now! 😂 🐝 🤕 😣

0:30 Damn Terrence Howards always be catching strays on this channel 💀

I have a friend with asian heritage, he grew up in England but was very much raised how his parents learned in their birth country. I'm a very docile person, I have never thrown a punch in 24 years, I am very patient and very rarely if ever get angry, I have never been physically hurt by any authority figure or anything, I was taught purely verbally, treat others how you want to be treated sort of things. I'm not religious but was always just taught to be nice. My friend was very much the opposite, he grew up getting the belt, hit with slippers, wooden spoon, spanked ect. He was very confused when he met me in college and we exchanged stories of our upbringing, he said how are you so calm and well behaved and he actually couldn't believe that I had never been beat as a punishment. he literally didn't think it was possible to raise someone to be non violent in any other way. And I was very much the opposite mindset, I didn't fully understand how his upbringing worked, in my opinion it isn't teaching you to be nice because you actually want to be nice, it's teaching you to be nice because you're afraid of getting punished. Was a very interesting conversation and were very good friends now but it's very interesting seeing two wildly different approaches to raising someone.

Makes me think about that Russian saying; "The same water that hardens the egg, will soften the potato" Whenever I've seen it around, people say they're using it to mean "Not everyone responds the same way to a specific teaching method", and I HARD agree. Tho in general, purposely putting yourself or others through pain isn't exactly a good teaching method for anyone. Theres a lot of stuff your body does under that stress, and it causes a lot of permanent damage over time. Stuff like excessive amounts of adrenaline and cortisol damaging muscle around your body (like your heart, which doesn't heal very well). You can also get addicted to the dopamine hit your brain gets every time you feel physical pain, which is obviously a massive problem cause it will just make you hurt yourself more. Then theres the aspect of having a lot more injuries taking more vitamin C than usual to stay scared over properly, risk of infection, risk of permanent nerve damage. Then theres the psychological pain aspect, which I don't even want to get into right now because I hate typing on iphone. Just gonna say that its still not a good thing :')

Saw the title and thought this was a direct shot at Houston Jones 😂

Pain is very educational, I learned that a belt means “no”

“Pain is the best teacher” - Bowser

"Ignorance is bliss" i'll never forget that saying.

Aba therapy (for autistic children) sometimes used an electric shock ( only very recently mostly banned) designed to hurt worse than a tazer. They used it every time they did something "wrong," like rocking back and forth. In a few places, it technically still isn't illegal and could still be in use in america in these specific areas. It is really weird and horrible that something like this has been allowed at all during recent times.

Me and my magic playgroup use a "take-backsies" card that you can take when you make a mistake and then undo it, but you cant use it again until someone else takes it. We use the card Jesters Cap and have also started using the card Dingus Egg. really helps with slight mistakes but cant be abused

This video is an incredible resource dor teaching honestly. It seriously shows so many important elements of the teacher student relationship.

If nothing else, having you rewatch the video can also be helping you learn the game more. I'm really happy to see you showing interest in learning the complicated rules of MTG.

I'd be fucking dead if I were to play while wearing a shock collar.

Not misplays, MISINPUTS!

I've been in chronic pain since 2012 with Axial Spondyloarthritis and I've found myself in that time. I'm sore but I'm happier now than I've ever been

"There are two types of pain. Pain that hurts, and pain that hoits weally weally badwy" -Denzel Washington

This must mean masochists are the smartest people in the world 🤔

I love long, nice and warm videos from Charlie

“Suffering doesn’t make you a better person; suffering just makes you suffer” -Shaun, analysis of Maus

3:13 best part of this video

Taking a page out of the Houston Jones playbook. Love to see it.

I definitely want to encourage more content like this, at least on Skill Check. It doesn't need to replace anything else, but this is just so much fun to watch, especially with the consequences. It's entertaining, engaging, and gives me that vicarious fix for when I can't play my own games.

When the chorus kicks in goose bumps. This makes me want to dance lol

“It’s the fear.” 😂

The pain is why shock collars, choke chains, and pronged collars have been banned in some cities here in Canada for any dog except police dogs which are exempt. Edit: apparently this was overturned. In Quebec they're banned province wide iirc. In British Columbia "Anyone caught using the shock collars are required to pay a maximum fine of $36,411.92 or face six months in prison".

I mean I only had to learn once that my Mom wasn't being unreasonable when she said the stove top is hot when turned on.

This is one of the best ways I’ve seen a card game set up being played for a camera. I really like how you guys zoom in on the card and explain it. Let’s get more of this!!

at 8:35, you can definitely respond to the ETB on the stack.

Not to seem sound sarcastic at all. Thank you, for somehow conveniently bringing this topic up in a situation that I'm currently dealing with. Myself and everyone who genuinely listened to this video is very much appreciated. This really helps, thank you charlie

The only threshold for greatness is pain But the most important and challenging of all…. Is not to share your pain to others

Fire MTG videos man.. been really enjoying watching you go through it, keep it up Charlie

"Sometimes you must hurt in order to know, fall in order to grow, lose in order to gain because life's greatest lessons are learned through pain." - Pain

Theres 2 methods that are used regularly for learning something. A reward method or a punishment method. You either reward yourself for doing it right or punish yourself for doing it wrong.

Charlie, FYI- if you want to react to a an ETB or a card at the timing that you guys kept reacting at, the instant has to be a counter. Otherwise, you have to wait until the next phase/action if it’s general removal/interaction. I’m sure you know now (💀💀), but that’s why counters are niceee

Its kinda cool that me and charlie learn in the same way, tactility is known to be one of the best ways to retain information for long periods of time even after learning just once. I built a table at a woodworking course 5 years ago, and I still remember every single step perfectly, I have never built a table since

I’ve had excruciating chronic pain for the past 20 years. I hope I learn my lesson soon.

I like watching you guys play magic but i have no clue how its played . But it is addicting to watch and it is addicting to watch you open cards

My new biggest dream is to play a game of commander with these guys 😂

It can but it’s usually one of the worst. It pretty much always reinforces the worst parts of the lesson.

I am learning about this topic in school at the moment. Here is what I have to say about it: On Pain and Teaching: You make a strong point regarding the detrimental effects of using pain or extreme stress as a teaching method. Here’s why this approach is problematic: 1. Physiological Damage: - Stress Hormones: Chronic exposure to high levels of stress hormones like adrenaline and cortisol can indeed wreak havoc on the body. These hormones are part of the body's 'fight or flight' response and, while useful in acute situations, can cause long-term damage if they are constantly elevated. This includes negative effects on the cardiovascular system, immune function, and metabolic processes. - Muscle Damage: Excessive stress can lead to muscle breakdown and impair the body's ability to repair tissues, potentially leading to long-term damage and weakened health. As you mentioned, the heart, being a muscle, is particularly vulnerable, and damage here can have serious consequences. - Addiction to Pain: The concept of becoming addicted to the dopamine release associated with pain is concerning. This can lead to a destructive cycle of self-harm or other harmful behaviors as one seeks out that biochemical reward, ultimately exacerbating both physical and psychological health issues. 2. Psychological Harm: - Mental Health: The psychological ramifications of stress and pain as teaching tools are profound. Continuous exposure to such stress can lead to anxiety, depression, and other mental health issues. It can also impair cognitive function and learning ability, contrary to the intended goal of improving performance or understanding. - Long-Term Trauma: The psychological scars left by harsh teaching methods or life stresses can persist long after the initial experience. This can lead to chronic issues such as PTSD, reduced self-esteem, and a decreased ability to cope with future challenges in a healthy manner. 3. Ineffective Learning: - Stress and Learning: Research consistently shows that while a small amount of stress can sometimes enhance focus and performance, excessive stress generally hampers learning and memory. The brain is less capable of processing and retaining information under high stress, which counters the purpose of teaching. - Individual Learning Styles: Everyone has a unique learning style and pace. Effective teaching acknowledges these differences and adapts to meet the needs of each individual. Methods that cause pain or significant stress fail to respect these differences and often do more harm than good. In sum, while the proverb illustrates the diversity of human response to identical conditions, it also serves as a caution against one-size-fits-all approaches, especially those involving pain or excessive stress. The focus should be on fostering environments that cater to individual needs, promote well-being, and support healthy, sustainable growth and learning. Using harsh or painful methods might yield short-term results for some, but the long-term consequences are rarely worth the risk. Hope this helps the interested people. (Sorry for the yap sech)

You're basically talking about negative reinforcement teaching and studies have repeatedly shown that it is less effective than other methods- so much so that militaries have moved away from it as a method of instilling discipline. A negative *component* can still be a tool in learning but trying to reinforce behaviour with negative consequences is just not as effective as other choices, particularly on certain types of people. It *can* work well for some people who work well under pressure, but it is still likely that another positive method which just pushes them instead would work better

Yes, dealing with hardship and pain causes you to make methods for doing better. An old old friend of mine moved to Bosnia around the same time as me as a child. I had 4 years of nice lessons to learn the local language. Didnt get past hello and 1-10. He was taught in a brutal way. And was fluent in the year. Keegan if you are out there. Hope you are well.

Actually insane how charlie lucked out hella

Those Skill Check mats are sick. I want one.

You can respond to an ETB trigger. Idk who said you can't but you absolutely can respond to any trigger. It happens at minute 9:00, also later a Phyrexian Obliterator comes into play, you can absolutely exile that as it enters the battlefield.

Mental pain can be good source of learning, look at carmy at the bear( he pushed him to be his best self) even in whiplash (the drummer was great towards the end)

"I'm not a masochist, I just wanna see if my body can take it"

Pain taught me what pain feels like!

when charlie uploads its a good fuckin day

I don’t think the pain is but rather the fear of it. Whether that is the same or not that is how I view it

Seeing them play commander on the skill check channel with shock collars proves it. Matt was playing proper magic

I thought this was going to be a deep philosophical discussion video but it’s magic 😭

You must find balance between pain and support. Not enough of either only inhibits progress.

"Is pain educational" Well yes without pain I will feel nothing but emptiness

'It didn't feel like a shock, it felt like concentrated fire.." Charlie pretty much just described what condensedsed energy serguing through your body is and how it feels (mostly).

making judge calls like a true magic player, love it

No pain no gain

bro thinks he’s nagato

You can respond to an ETB effect, it goes on the stack and therefore can be responded to. Around 10:00 or a little before that.

The moment I saw the title, I knew what this was about.

CLASS IS IN SESSION

Dark Souls 3 taught me pain can be educational.

as a person who has never been interested in magic the gathering, watching them play it feels the same as watching finn and jake play card wars

Blonde boi gives off Furry vibes

gabagool

"Can pain be educational?" In my experience, definitely yes. It's truly amazing how effective a teacher pain can be, especially in differentiating right from wrong. After a point, the threat of pain alone made me a very wise and well-behaved individual.

I really wish being good at a card game was this easy

Sometimes pain is teaching because dicpline (i misspelled that) Instead of using the word pain use discipline you gotta learn what dicepline is if you call it cruel pain it’s Not cruel pain it’s teaching your kid a lesson so YES it can be educational

i got taught with a belt and a broom, never been better.

I fell asleep during this, dropped my phone off my bed and shattered the screen

As a 100% disabled vet, I concur; you can definitely learn a few things about pain. Great vid!

-st🎉

If this reaches the top comment I will make an attempt to beat Fallout New Vegas with only melee weapons

Lets give charlie a controlled shock 💀

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Feel pain. Accept pain. Contemplate pain. Embrace pain. And know pain

"Can pain be educational" American public schools before the mid-1990s:

Reminds me of Yugioh GX. There is a character named Zane Truesdale who badly lost one game in the pro-leagues and continued to lose and lose until he was a nobody. He ended up going underground dueling which forced him to wear a shock collar to the point where he didn't even feet it anymore.

Of course, Pain taught Naruto a lot of things

The only thing immeasurable pain taught me is that now i feel completely disconnected from everything and dont really care if i died today or tomorrow.

The different types of learning theory is a myth

For about a year, I, at random points in time, would get really bad stabbing pains in my lower abdomen that would last for a pretty long time. One night it was so bad, I went to the hospital. Turns out, I had pancreatitis. I'd say I learned a thing or two from that.

Was I the only one who was thinking of Pavlock when Charlie mentioned shocks?

we’re getting philosophical out here

Charlie = Afraid of eating wild berries and flying Also Charlie = Puts on a deathtrap that can electrocute him

As I am in agony each day with CRPS2, I can tell you that pain is the best and harshest teacher there is my brother in Christ.

Yes pain can be educational, not corporal punishment but like a child touching a hot stove or being bit by a dog, also what the heck Charlie, is this a cry for help? Blink twice if you are in danger

Before getting too far in the video, I just want to say that negative punishment (so pain in most cases) ONLY works if the animal (including people) being punished know what the expected bahavour is. If you just say shock someone for not doing what you want via mind reading than it will never work as intended. All that teaches is to feat the person shocking you. This whole concept is why you should NEVER use negative reinforcement with a puppy or a very young child. Neither know what you expect them to do so they don't know why they're being corrected and they don't truly learn what is needed. At best they might avoid ever doing that thing you punished them for ever again which can be harmful in case that "bad" behavior is good in other contexts. (also it is bad because teaching someone (any animal) to fear you is not how you teach them. All they will learn is how to avoid making you mad at punish them which with humans can cause lifelong issues that negatively impact daily life. It can also impact other animals negatively but it usually isn't to the same extent) IDK if Charlie used it right against himself or not but regardless he is a fully developed adult so any negative effects are minimal. Plus he knows why it is being used so it shouldn't cause any issues anyway.

Of course pain helps you learn, when I stub my toe I learn a whole lotta new words😅

John Kramer be like

thank you again Charlie for blessing me with another dinnertime banger

Aww, I love the cute picture of Aerith in the background 😊 And I see Cloud standing in front of the technicolor sunset, lol!

Idea: The settings go from 0-100, right? The game has NO health. The goal is to make your opponent yield by shocking them with sufficient force (damage you do = shock value)