It would be so gratifying to put a 12-gauge slug through each of their skulls for their extreme negligence.

Agreed 💯💯💯

Angrybirds neyugn exactly

“Deadly hazings” lol. This was a pregame event actually and the pledges could have left at anytime. Instead Tim decides it’s a good night to get black out drunk and test gravity on stairs multiple times. It’s unfortunate but no one’s fault but Tim’s. Guess he was never told he can say no right?

They act so entitled, it’s absolutely disgusting.

not murder. cleaning up the gene pool. Rush sigma kappa phi bro

It's not murder when you drink yourself to your own death 🤣

Yes they are responsible for also making him join, for making him drink and go through the hazing process. They got him to join knowing what they would do to him. The boy should not have joined the fraternity in a desperate attempt to belong and should not have done what his so called fraternity brothers wanted him to do.

@@saynotohookups they didnt make him do anything so theyre not responsible for his death. He chose to drink. He chose to join. Knowing what they would do to him? 🤣 You mean allow him to drink like every other college student 🤣 Those were all his actions by his own choice. He's responsible for his own death.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@puglover8595 you make it sound like he died of alcohol poisoning. he died from a fractured skull and lacerated spleen. going out of your way to ensure he doesn’t receive medical attention by definition, is involuntary manslaughter. to make matters worse, they supplied him with copious amounts of alcohol knowing he was underage. you want to talk about responsibility but anyone over the age of 21 knows that supplying alcohol to people under the age limit means you could potentially be held responsible for whatever happens to them. they knew that and were more worried about themselves. they literally texted each other saying he “could be a problem” after he fell down the stairs. they slapped him, laughed at him, fell on top of him, and stepped over him as he thrashed on the floor. they had no regard for the person literally dying right in front of them. he was left alone all night and continued to fall and hit his head several times. it’s not even the drinking that’s the problem. it was their lack of regard for human life that made this case stand out. his final moments were spent confused, alone, and in unimaginable pain. the fact that you lack any sort of empathy for a human being losing their life in such an awful way is truly disturbing. i sincerely hope no one puts their trust in you if you don’t feel any sort of responsibility to help others when they are clearly suffering and in pain.

They are doing their job, dude. Do you expect them to say “yeah, my client’s guilty”? That’s malpractice...it would get them disbarred and possibly thrown in jail themselves.

He’s just doing his job. No defense attorney will say “yes my client is guilty, give him 20 years”. Use your head.

If I'm a defence lawyer for an alleged murderer but I know personally from all the evidence that he did do the murder then I wouldn't represent him anymore. I know that is not related to the Penn State Hazing case but I'm just saying.

If you are a public defender, the choice is up to the judge

It's literally their job to say those types of things. They are defense lawyers, just as you said, so obviously they're going to defend their client. It's the whole point of their job. That's what they're being paid to do! So how is this baffling to you?

@Zaza you are thinking about the Mizzou student… this is a different case about a student from Penn State. Read the title or look into the actual case a bit more maybe?

This is very good news

this is what happens when you have no culture

Sometimes them parties are not allowed so calling police would probably get all them in trouble …even though it shouldn’t matter . Them boys pride be more important than somebody life and ruining the party might get them kicked out or whatever go on with them fools

Hey Nick, I know this comment was from 2 years ago. I'd like to ask you some questions if you're up for it. I'm not a member of media or anything like that. This story just resonates with me and I'd love to know more about Tim as an actual person.

American Pie also had weird grown college students.

Exactly GROWN students. Tim is a 19 year old sophomore who can make his own decisions. He chose to drink in excess underage and he faced the consequences of his choices. He could have left or said no at anytime but instead decided to get black out drunk and falls multiple times. He’s a grown kid who made his bed.

Twelve hours later!

Jonathan Fernandez h

Because they did not do anything to help him. Whyyyyyyy would they wait sooooo long to ask for help

I don't know why but do you agree that grek life should end it though?

PSU students are prioritizing extracurricular activities over human life and safety? I'm shocked! 🙄

boo hoo end it and fry all those cowards

Anytime I hear or see someone write something and then add "but", it just negates everything that was said or written, before the "but". It sickens me that the thing you find sad is the possibility of Colleges doing away with these archaic brother and sisterhoods. I find it very disturbing that this is what some parents are in an uproar about. Maybe they should spend time with the victim's families,of Frat house hazing. This might help to put their uproar into perspective.

They knew they were fine because it wasn’t their faults. Tim was a grown adult who made his own choices to attend this event and drink in excess. He could have said no and left but instead he made poor choices and died because of it.

it is illegal

While we're at it let's make murder illegal. And make it illegal to starve, that way we will solve world hunger.

TheMotherFudger it is…

frats should be illegal.

It is illegal...there you go

fatima awad yeah call it White People Problems

@@frijoleroenelruedo027 Other race people are in fraternities too. There was another guy who died in a fraternity cause of alcohol and one of the pledges was a black dude.

XxMasterKittehsxX why would somebody make that up though?

its sorta their job

It's evident that they didn't care.

Exactly🙄

It didn’t say there would be a video here, just in court

I didn't care about being accepted. It's bad enough that two female students who took the same program as I did pretended to be my friend only because they felt sorry for me. I didn't ask for nor wanted their pity.

Assertz Alcohol is not the problem is that nobody payed attention to his need.

Nicky Swift Alcohol is 100% the problem

If only it was a smoke sesh

It's not the fault of alcohol! If you're smart enough to go to this college, you should be smart enough to call 911.

They were drawn for us.

From watching many interviews about this case It seemed as if he was looking for help but wasn't able to talk he kept on getting up and wanted to get out to look for help for himself

winalldayeveryday wait so all new frat members have to go hazing? Isn't that too many of them?

The dead kid is the victim. He was clearly in trouble but his brothers chose to text each other about whether they would get in trouble or not. They googled all sorts of things about his condition but took hours to get home actual medical help. He drank too much but so what? These guys watched a human die after encouraging him to behave recklessly for their own amusement.

A*shole, stop shaming the victim!!! He surely not knew what was coming, otherwise he would not have participated!!!

hazing is different, you are pressured into drinking and doing things to get accepted into a fraternity, whereas just getting flat out wasted you drink on your own choice

You’re wicked if you can’t see the kid was a victim. He probably thought he was in good hands. He probably thought others had done it and it was safe. These kids seem like thang had it in for him. For all we know they could have given him something else to drink.

Your stereotyping hundreds of thousand of college kids.

but but it's not like that MT is free to make baseless generalizations.

Dodging the point like KumAllOnYa dodging VP responsibilities

The beautiful young man who is underage and thinks getting black out drunk doesn’t have consequences. A grown adult who could have said no or left at anytime made the poorer choices and is met with a bad result. Tim is guilty no one else.

Goldilocks how could he said NO if he's been drug or force to drink and it's unconscious! They could have STOP when they noticed something isn't RIGHT!

Nesthy Adventures No to hazing dear. He chose the fraternity, and could have said No I am not going through the hazing. The drinking was part of the hazing. He could have said No before it started. He made bad choices. After he passed out he wasn't hazed....he was just left to die. Hazing is the initiation process and no one is forced. If you say No, you can walk right out that door and focus on college, instead of partying and fraternities.

Goldilocks just shut up

Goldilocks I agree with you on the fact that he shouldn't have put himself in that situation. But there are a ton of cases where pledges are taken into a back room and basically have alcohol forced down their throats until they are willing to participate. This happened at LSU with Max Gruver

Seth Mcgregor That is so sick. I don't see how someone can have the mindset to think that's ok. This whole Greek life should be heavily monitored. I never had the need or desire to join a sorority.

Either way it's messed up.

They didn’t seek medical help when he was clearly in need of it tho. For 12h.

@@marlenemeurer376 Someone falling while drunk or falling asleep, isn't automatically a reason to take someone to the ER. Not to mention, they were drunk as well. Once they realized they couldn't get him up after he should have sobered up, they called 911. He chose to drink. I've fallen and have seen my friends fall while drunk countless of times. Never thought the ER was necessary. So it's not surprising they didn't immediately think to call for help over falling while drunk. They picked him up when he'd fall and put him on the couch. No one brutalized him or forced him to do anything. He chose to do it. Simply a case of parents not willing to accept their child's actions. They don't want to accept their son decided to drink himself to his death so they place they blame on others instead.