@Jeff Webb I haven't for about 15 years. Too much of a waste of money.

I haven't watched any of those channels for about 15 years because they are a waste of time and money to watch.

Indeed, History Channel is seldom about History any more. However, I know where to buy useless crap now being hawked on these channels. History is forgotten, alas.

@@The_DuMont_Network Many channels today only have their pet projects and so called reality TV. The reason for this is because they are cheap to make. All they need are half a dozen people or so. To make a good documentary takes dozens, sometimes a hundred or more, to produce. With so much competition, they go whatever the cheapest to produce is most of the time, and some channels, all of the time they show whatever is cheapest. Some channels are showing 20 and 30 year old productions in with their reality TV junk..

Now its all about aliens and pawn shops

Someone got cash to cause the crash.

And many of you should remember or learn it was Donald Trump who was pushing for the Demolition of that beautiful Grand Central Station..what a low life.

The crime of the century in NYC.

@@merseybeat1963 That's false. Grand Central station has been landmarked since 1967, when Trump was 23. They were thinking of knocking it down before then, when Trump was in high school. It was saved by a group of concerned citizens led by Jackie Onassis. Trump had nothing to do with either the proposed destruction or its preservation. Trump refurbed a dilapidated old hotel in the area called the Commodore and it reopened as the Grand Hyatt. I don't think he still owns it.

@@d.e.murray5105 No..Not false..I worked 6 nights a week at my dads Deli 12 blocks from there and it was in the papers in and out for years that this ahole wanted to get his hands on it. It was after he built that horrendous building next to it. Landmark Status.. !! That didn't stop those Pimps of Architecture totally molest Steinway Hall..all it is now is a shell. Maybe he wouldn't do such a thing today..people change..but what I say is true.

It’s an absolute travesty that it was torn down. Even nearly 60 years later. Thank you Jackie O’Nassis for saving Grand Central from demolition. You did NYC and the world a huge favor.

@Bobby Brady - Americans have opinions about Architecture in Foreign countries, and vice versa

@Bobby Brady South America,the middle east, Africa, Asia-the former Soviet Union , Europe, etc; other than this list, i would agree with you concerning America's meddling.

A lot of great buildings were lost in NYC from the 30s-60s very sad.

Grand Central Terminal was basically saved because of that.

And even with that there are plenty of communities that don't get it. New Castle NY, has *such* an obsession for Horace Greeley, yet a building (on the property of a school named after HG) owned by PT Barnum gets demolished. After all' it's not from their great-and-holy Greeley (and he didn't even build his house or farm, he bought it from *our* family). And one of the last original stations from the Putnam Division of the NYC? Was intact up to a few years ago, WELL after people would have been aware of historical preservation, and they tore it down and did NOTHING with the property.

Very well said!

A politician's heart ? No such thing.

Excellent point!

I disagree. Surely the classic needs to be preserved and cherished but the post modern has a reserved beauty all its own.

What "heart"?

It's like saying that San Francisco should be prohibited from tearing down Candlestick Park for it's historic significance. What a tremendous loss for the city.

They have to tear old buildings down to bring in new money. There is very few times you can save the old and still make money on the project. The kids are about recycling and being green but they want it new. too.

There was nothing architecturally significant about Candlestick. It could be brutally windy, foggy, and cold. In the early 80's if you sat through an entire night game they actually handed out medals.

I live on Long Island which is a 45 minute train ride from NYC. I go through Penn Station a lot and even though they are doing a massive renovation right now they still should’ve never ever EVER demolished the original Penn Station. I just got a job with the Metro North Railroad and I’m definitely a train lover.

I'm inclined to agree, but I can hardly imagine what such a thing would cost to rebuild today, using the same materials and craftsmansip. Could America do that today? Build beautiful grand public structures?

@@MarinCipollina All the evidence presented by modern public structures suggests that we no longer understand "beautiful" or "grand". We only understand "concrete".

@@c182SkylaneRG "WE" don't have any say in anything: we elect politicians who purport to represent our interest but who only act to serve the interests of the "Happy Few".

@@MarinCipollina NYC has enough money to continue to build skyscrapers, it shouldn't be hard to rebuild a train station. i feel like it deserves to be rebuilt in the same spot. it was a big disrespect to put msg on the spot when they had other places..

They rebuilt Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow to its exact original dimensions. The original was destroyed by the Soviets in the 1930s.

very slight..

You're barely literate

@@AskWlat you're being generous

TRUMP 2020 and Damn the HIPPIE CREEPS.

@@WillyMcCoy50 Boy, was I RELIEVED when he was elected!

@@SuspenseESCAPEremastered The Farley Moyahan Train Hall (New Penn Station) was championed by President Donald John Trump and his Transportation Head Elaine Chao. Making America Great Again 2020!!!

ELs had to go, ruined 4 of Manhattan’s 12 numbered avenues (Park = 4th). Just took too long for the replacement Second Avenue Subway to be built.

Worse decision, was forbidding trains south of 42nd St. Feds should have mandated a connection between Grand Central and Penn Station, for military reasons.

@@bigjake2295 I disagree. Manhattan's avenues are wide so they did not block out the sun and their stations were quite ornate. In addition, despite what many may believe, they were beloved in the neighbourhoods in which they served and were relied upon by locals. Their loss was the demise of those neighbourhoods as their demolition caused real-estate prices to go up, thus pushing out the working-class residents of the neighbourhood. If they were still standing, not only would there be more transit options for New Yorkers but there would still be working-class neighbourhoods in Manhattan. Many of the high-rises that were built along those avenues wouldn't be standing had it not been for the demolition of the els and Manhattan wouldn't be as much of a playground for the elite. The demolition of the els was planned by people like Robert Moses who foresaw a city that would cater to the rich and isolate the poor. The city strategically demolished the Second Ave El' before the Third Ave El' so that the less important line would be left. They then neglected to maintain the Third ave El' so that they could warrant its demolition in 1955. Personally, I don't understand why so many people are against a transportation system that was both unique and charming and that provided a more pleasurable view of the city than the depths of the subway. I live in Woodside where the el, being far less ornate than the Manhattan els, actually does block out the sun due to the narrowness of Roosevelt Avenue and I still have a great appreciation for it. That's just my two cents though.

@@bigjake2295 The railroad companies had enough political leverage in those days to prevent that from happening.

@Mark Grudt They should have foresaw what Hudson Yards would become so that they could have built it there.

The quote comes from Yale Architecture Professor Vincent Scully.

Scully actually wrote, "Once, we entered the city like gods. Now we scurry in like rats, which is probably what we deserve." You can find his 1996 Raoul Wallenberg Lecture at the University of Michigan with the statement online as a pdf (taubmancollege.umich.edu/pdfs/publications/map/wallenberg1996-scully.pdf).

And that is appalling.

Hopefully one day!!!

It's going to open next week!

@@brmnyc Yeah right ! I'll believe it when I see it, lol :P .

its open right now

Your reasoning holds little water. Penn Station was the nation's largest rail station. It stood on its site for half a century, in an area which attracted not only commuters, but office workers and shoppers on their way to Macy's, Gimbles, and Herald Square, which a was bustling middle class shopping district, and not the derelict, third world, blighted area it is today. To say that Penn Station was unnoticed by the riders of LIRR or other commuters is absurd. Penn Station suffered the same fate which affected other prominent, historic monumental buildings. A combination of greed, apathy, and plain ignorance. The refrain from the song; Big Yellow Taxi, still holds true. "Don't it always seems to go, that you don't know what you've got till its gone."

@@luissantiago8446 Millions of people entered Penn Station by rail and stayed only long enough to go from one train to another and neve ever left the basement. They never saw enough of the building to appreciate it.

NYC had a chance to buy it

Good thing I have an idea for a marvellous invention to bring it back. :)

Jeff Webb Nope.

it they did not cost more then the Chunnel they would have been builted by now

From what I heard from my father back then and read since the former Madison Square Garden was a better sports venue than the one that stands there now, plus the seating capacities aren't that much different. It was a lose lose result for everybody.

Penn RR had let it fall into disrepair as the railroad founder until it was so decrepit, it was probably beyond repair. Of course, few then had the same consciousness of the importance of preservation, alas.

@@mdteletom1288 Not if you're a hockey fan. The previous Garden was built primarily for boxing, and while seats were closer to the action, many had obstructed sightlines for hockey. And the current Garden's capacity is larger than its predecessor. Not that I'm defending the destruction of Penn Station -- a great tragedy.

(but would they have _built_ a station like that in England?)

Actually, it was in part because Penn Station was demolished, and Grand Central Terminal was at risk of being demolished too, that landmark preservation really got started in NYC.

Yes - light rail makes it MUCH easier for the thugs to mug, attack, rape and kill working people. Public transportation is good, old fashioned Communism.

>public transportation is good old fashioned communism Rapid transit, a system first developed in the United Kingdom, is communist? I hope you were only joking with that retarded statement....

New Haven trains came into Grand Central except those continuing to Washington. The circuitous route through Queens added a lot of time compared with the more direct route down Park Avenue into GCT, which is still traveled by Metro-North trains on the New Haven line.

From Connecticut to arrive at Pennsylvania Station you have to use Amtrak rather than Metro North. First Amtrak stopped at less stops and the ticket was twice the price and had less trains scheduled.

keep up the Jackie Kennedy lie. what save Grand central was the Penn central was broke and could not afford to take down Grand Central

@@dknowles60 SI DICAS ITA!

Yes, but a heavy price was paid. The original Penn Station was without a doubt the most magnificent structure ever built on American soil.

That's typical of NYC now the subways are a disaster mainly due to Democrat run administrations, the governor is in charge of the subways and hires incompetent people to run it, it's all about political favors pay to play and especially unions, look at how DeBlasio has let the homeless population get out of control I was there last Christmas and they're sleeping all over the streets.

Ironic that they tore Penn Station down due to all the filth yet let the subway dilapidate starting one decade later.

@@Peter-pv8xx Yeah, damn those Democrats! We need two-fisted, tough-guy Republicans to show these pansy Dems what real men are like! They'll get the homeless population under control by putting them into work camps and make productive citizens out of them, because "work will make them free!"

I hope so. In addition, somebody needs to rescue The Hotel Pennsylvania, which was part of the original complex. I stayed there, late last year ('waited 45 years for a legitimate excuse to dial that number!) and its' current condition is absolutely poignant. It is, I've been told, still the worlds most popular hotel, and it's down to a two star rating.

That would probably cost 10 times as much as it should cost, with the corrupt mayor and horrible union labor. I hope its never rebuilt

Yes. But the problem is when you walk outside you're still in Utica.

New Haven CT has a great Union Station.

@Giovanni Pincoletti You are free to leave anytime you want, I suggest Venezuela maybe or north Korea, America was great until the communist liberal scum started taking over and did there best to destroy it from within, at least Trump is trying to yes make America great again as she once was, Obama did the bulk of the damage with his hate America and apology tour, people like you make me sick!

likewise

@Giovanni Pincoletti How about a Helicopter ride?

@@Peter-pv8xx trump is an idiot and he makes america NOT great again

Peter , if it would make him a single dollar Trump would have destroyed Penn Station. How do I know? Because he intentionally destroyed other historical sites, often doing it secretly at night.

By the time the decision was made to take the station down the company couldn't afford the upkeep. Grand Central was in bad shape by the 1970's, tearing down the old freight building and building the Pan Am building helped but was only a band aid.

What I'd like to see is a VIRTUAL REALITY reconstruction of Penn Station where you can put on one of those headsets and maneuver around the Station as if it still existed. The VR technology is all there & the station's architectural plans are undoubtedly still in existence - anybody got a spare million or two to get this project going?

I'd love to see it rebuilt. In a way, it's a microcosm of NYC in that people want to freeze it in their favorite time.

Something good came from the sacrifice.

Yeah thought I reconized those from other films

@@arielfilmsinc1926There are FOUR original Penn Station Eagles on the Market Street Bridge directly in front of Philadelphia 30th Street Station. c8.alamy.com/comp/J8WRT2/eagle-statue-on-market-street-bridge-near-30th-street-station-philadelphia-J8WRT2.jpg

Entering the subway downstairs you can see an unloved ,dented, lone brass stair railing . Seen it for 30 years . Always thought they should have restored it and put a historical marker .

@@kevinhoward9593 I believe there's also one by the Hicksville Long Island Railroad station

@@joestrike8537 huh?

name sounds like it belongs to a superhero (or -villain!)

What are you saying: it took 7 years to build...

@@StevenTorrey He might only be focusing on the construction of the station structure, which sounds like it took approximately two years. It was preceded by five years of foundation excavation, which was probably preceded by another couple years of demolition of all the other structures on the site. So five years of excavation, and seven total years, leaves two years to put up the building, itself.

Peices of the marble brick & ornimentation salvaged from the demolition have been available for sale for over 50 years. There is still piles of it available for sale .

Chattanooga.... I live here. 😀

Love that song, Glenn Miller preformed it so well.

The old ones are still the best.

did you see the new one

I’ve been to Penn Station, and I’ve always liked MSG, but knowing now what WAS there it seems more like an eye sore

A station needs to make money. The old one didn't.

Because the idiots didn’t clean up the place and many people then wanted a cleaner station. So they built a smaller and much more cramped version instead (which was a mistake in hindsight).

Rain Coast, but the destruction of Pennsylvania Station was capitalism at work.

Danny Dark Also did Superman n the seventies cartoons

@classiccarz "Too busy giving away money for welfare " Yeah, because they care more about saving people's LIVES by providing food and shelter, terrible thing!!

Bobby Brady please. That’s a republican Rhis rich country should be taking care of it’s citizens Social Security and Medicare is next on the chopping block so says tRump They gotta pay down those massive tax cuts given to the rich. What better way they cut off the knees of the poorest Americans as the middle class slowly slips further off the charts into poverty

It just opened

@classiccarz "Democraps" - what an exceedingly clever insult! You must be a Pullitzer Prize-winning scholar or something.

No chance of that!

Yea, then all the steampunk kids will loiter inside it and disrupt the peace!

@Jeff Webb just noticed your reply. Yes the Pennsylvania Railroad was a private company and once the Standard of the World. Since it no longer exists I believe only public funding could work for such an enormous undertaking. Our government throws away so much money , Why not use some for something beautiful that many people could enjoy.???

It is an absolute disgrace what we did to demolish this building! And after Robert Moses tried to jam an expressway through Greenwich Village! The thing that emerged was the National Historical Society! Just a couple years after Penn Station was Torn Down ! Grand Central was also on the Chopping Block!

Dave Mi I grew up in Sunnyside. I have fond memories of watching many a train come through the washing station and loop around at 43rd street.