Yup! Maybe a few craft brewery stickers on the back too, haha

@@volvo09 No craft brewery stickers but he has his "Gorilla Dojo" sticker back there. He's a soccer and Jiu Jitsu nut and his GF is a figure skater and works at a pot farm. She kicks ass at the Dojo also.

They own Berkenstock's too?!

Maybe Granola munching tree huggers from BC

29c wth is that in degrees.

My wife dresses me in Plasma Yellow to warn-off the competition.

🤣🤣🤣

@@hereigoagain5050 😆😆😆

I thought his outfit was more "orange," but yeah. :)

"Babyshit Orange" > "Plasma Yellow"

Kinda looked like a onesie jumpsuit.

I thought the same thing.

He's just salty the orange that was one of the Crosstrek's signature colors was discontinued for 2021.

@@badgerpa9 Maybe you should check your intelligence. RGB colour rendition on a KZfaq video filmed on who knows what camera uploaded and transcoded and then rendered on the user's RGB monito that is never calibrated and in any case is RGB, and the colour of the car is likely 20 shades off reality.

Good point!

I got a Mazda CX-5 to avoid the cvt potential issues, it’s nice to hear they aren’t causing you grief though,

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@@Grassroots_Hegemon love my CX-5 Signature. Amazing AWD with great power on the turbo engine.

I’ve had 9 Subarus from crosstrek to 3 foresters to 1 Outback and 1 ascent and just ordered my wife another Forster hope we keep this one tired of trades only car I ever regretted traded was that 18 light color blue crosstrek that was a fun a machine I’m driving way more now so I’m thinking soon I’m gonna have to get one for myself filling up my z71 2x a week is killing me what I would save in gas would pay the payment almost for me to get another I can’t say enough good things about them my wife has looked at all the other brands she loves Subaru for the money they are well equipped

Yes, it was Jatco CVT's in Nissans that gave CVT's a bad name.

Can you talk a little bit about the reliability of the engines on your cars how many miles on the clock and all that ; thanks !

@@greensamurai5805 Hmmm they're not bad, repairs are usually easier jobs besides the head gasket and I would say that a Subaru is reliable if you take care of it, they don't like to be neglected. I've owned... 2001 Subaru Impreza, did headgasket, alternator, O2 Sensor, knock sensor, got her up to 230k miles, then sold. 2006 Forester, did alternator, (headgasket was done by previous owner), knock sensor, O2 sensor, still driving at 160k. I also currently have a 2021 Outback as well but too new to really say anything otherwise. On the side note, I used to have a 93 Celica that I absolutely neglected and it was still running great at 360k miles then sold, currently own a 2004 Tacoma with 135k miles and just did routine scheduled maintenance and a 2004 Highlander at 150k miles and just routine maintenance as well.

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It shouldn't take doing all that, the programming should be smart enough (especially in x-mode) to do that automatically when it senses wheels are slipping continuously.

@@theinfoone was just looking at Mazda 3 Hatch roller test and it’s all automatic and sense quickly. All those different drive modes seem like a gimmick lol. I still love Subaru tho. Might get me a Forester one day.

Same test for Camry AWD didn’t require any fancy procedure to get unstuck

Alot of people mad when being told to read. Skill issue sounds like

its car design 101

"This is the way"

@@bodokeXD The. Best. Comment. 🤣👏🏻🙌🏻

I feel like they can put it on rollers all day and test it. But they can't seem to figure out real world conditions with them. I have a 2020 Forester Sport. No issues at all day to day with traction. And the "delayed" throttle response they complain about, I actually find it helpful when getting into the snow, dirt, washed out dirt roads, and even a bit of mud. My 2015 Forester would have struggled tbh, just because the throttle was so touchy right at the start of the progression, almost like having SiDrive on Sport# all the time with my 2020 Forester. It drove right through a muddy patch after someone else had to rock a 4x4 F-150 out of it and take a different route. Of course, it could be because I do turn off traction control when I get into conditions like that.

@@DilanGilluly The rollers are an excellent illustration of how the drive train functions. Particularly with these various systems like torque vectoring through brake engagement, clutch plates, viscous fluid couplers, or hydraulic systems compared to various combinations of locking differentials. More tests are always better, but this test is one of the best I’ve seen on KZfaq.

Can't like this comment enough.

The answer is no.

It shouldn’t make a difference.

@@flight2k5 Why not? The manual has a 50/50 power split and the CVT is a 60/40 power split 🤷🏻‍♂️. There could be a difference

@@theturtle2121 There absolutely is a difference. Subaru has 4 different AWD systems. Most CVT and automatic AWD Subaru vehicles will struggle to do donuts on gravel. A manual transmission is significantly easier to do donuts with on gravel.

@@AWDfreak RIght, but this isn't testing how well the transmission hooks up, its just testing the AWD and the diff's- on how well they lock-- or how well the traction control is applying the brakes.. If its just cvt vs manual... there won't be any difference. But if the "manual" actually has a completely different AWD setup all together, then sure-- Test it.

That'd be a useless test. ATRAC is designed to shove that 3 ton monster through boulders fields. A roller test is a joke for a land cruiser and its too heavy for the roller bearings.

My stock '95 Wrangler would have probably failed the roller test, even with anti-swaybar and trackbars disconnected, and even with Revolver shackles...until I feathered the parking brake. Technique can make a big difference.

Impreza run on smaller wheels and low profile tiers that make acceleration faster.

Whoever gets to 60k miles on the original transmission wins. A tough challenge for the three of them.

They didnt change much, but these guys are testing on a roller on concrete.SMH

CVT*

Compare subaru awd from the late 90s vs now

the awd now is leagues better than early models

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Thank God! I HATE chrome.

i have a 2018 outback. i want to plastidip every part of "chrome" inside because it it looks bad and somehow always reflects light into my face.

F chrome

Not true, a lot of companies r favoring economy over engagement. Look at Acura, Audi and Nissan off the top of my head.

Yes you're right not only the CVT transmission but the traction control being super weak when you have 1999 Land Rover Discovery with traction control that grab almost immediately

If people were only qualified to speak on a time period that they were alive for, history classes would be incredibly dull. And short.

Problem is they barely pressed the throttle, you can tell.

Dude barely hit the throttle. This channel has a clear bias against Subaru. Every other channel has zero issue while this one struggles. They have had to redo videos before because they did it so incorrectly. Their outback offroad test comes to mind.

I've just recently upgraded from an '02 forester with a manual transmission to a 2018 2.5 Forester with the CVT. Haven't had much opportunity driving the 2018 in adverse conditions yet; Is mashing the gas the key to working the AWD?

@@coolguylstan didn't turn off traction control either

​@@jamespostle6894how would turning off traction control help the traction control is what grabs the spinning wheel and then makes torque transfer to the wheel that's not spinning and has grip? Turning traction control off would make it never get off the rollers it would just sit there

Cross track?

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNekh6-E1q_Ncmw.html ivtm4 same as sh awd edit: it was slower on rear wheels only, but it does better in diagonal and 3 wheel slip, it seems sh awd/ivtm4 has smooth power build up, but it also results in longer slip in some cases... Later tests with ridgeline also showed it can overheat in crawling out of deep holes, so while it is superior on dry and slippery road no questions, it seems not as suitable for ruff offroad due to clutch limitations as usual

It's a shame when the steering wheel sensors, and all of the other sensors should know the car is attempting to go straight. It should be faster acting and smarter than it is.

Find a team called duszaniespokojna, they are doing slip tests for years.

Yeah it shows how weak the traction control is on one of those. You can get like a late 90s Land Rover and it will immediately grab and move it you can get a new Land Rover and oh my gosh it will grab so quick it almost looks like it has cross axle lockers. Sad enough the Subaru has a stronger pain and it barely even changes anything why not just make the automatic setting as strong as it can be? There's never a time where you want to sit there and just spin wheels you want it to grab and move you so just make it more aggressive from the factory no big deal all I have to do is program the computer to read the wheel speed sensor turning only on one side and make it grab the brakes harder and with less rotations required to start grabbing it's just computer programming

Yes would love to see that!

I'd like to see them do my 2WD CR-V. I swear by Honda's TCS system, it reacts super fast. Sometimes I'll see the TCS light flash before I even notice slipping.

@@chrisss73841 ...The is no 2WD CRV.

I think they have before but if the truck doesn't have traction control or a diff Locker than it would just sit there spinning with open diff but we all know that with a diff Locker it's going to work

Yes! We need a "Slip Test Leaderboard," similar to the Lap Time Leaderboard. :)

Agree 100%. But TBH, I've never found TFL to be good at actual comparisons. Basically what you get is, varying degrees of, "Yeah, it does the job" for every review.

I mean, even if it's "too late" to do a leaderboard, overlaying some video in the editing phase of, I don't know, a RAV4 doing the same test, so we can get at least a rough visual appreciation of the performance differences. But I'm being picky. Still a lot of great free content from TFL.

@@ragweedmakesmesneeze They are not good with responses either.

@@ragweedmakesmesneeze the rav4 was horrible I believe.

Good luck.

@@tolpacourt Good luck as in truly good luck or "good luck" as in sarcasm and that you believe that having a Subaru is a mistake?

Traction control is what supplies the braking, I think they did have it off, and that is why it failed. Turning off the traction control works best in deep snow, where the tires can spin, and dig down to bare ground, where the traction is. Ice or rollers in this case turning off the traction control is not the best option.

I’m not sure about the cross trek but I have a 2017 Forester that has never had any problems and you can see the same model do the same slip tests easily in this video. Includes even more testing arrangements. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntdiiaSr0bHKfps.html

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Yes that's exactly what they needed to do and didn't. Without it, it cuts engine power to prevent spinning out.

Actually it took way too long my 2000 Land Rover Discovery grabs immediately in high or low range and moves me. The traction control is way more aggressive. There's no point for it to be so weak on one of these there's no scenario where you want it to sit and spin forever. If the adjustment of X mode or whatever just slightly increases the aggressiveness of the grabbing or how soon it grabs then that stupid it should just automatically work its best right away. So basically you're rolling along and you have an issue and the car is going to let you lose control or not have traction and then when you put it into the better setting it's going to barely get better whereas virtually any Land Rover since the late 90s up the current or even Toyotas with the A-track system over the last 15 years actually grab the spinning wheel very quick and immediate. Subaru is such a gimmick I know people who have them and all it does is lead them down trails that eventually make them have to turn around because they can't continue going and they wish they could and I'm like well then just don't drive that drive something better LOL a tiny bit of ground clearance and a very moderate all wheel drive system just limits you to dirt roads that normal cars can just go on. The slight Advantage they have is so slight but nature Isn't So slight nature is usually a lot more extreme terrain that doesn't just very perfectly to fit the Subaru it just leads you to places you can't drive and you have to turn around constantly

eye sight adaptive CC is the best system I've used- usually I hate it but on my forester its fabulous

My '18 Forester does great on water, snow, or ice. You should have seen how easily it handled the trails at Great Sand Dunes!

Hahahaha Subie Fam! 💖 My 2022 Crosstrek Limited is just fine. He really should've not put X-Mode on and used S-I drive.

Just because the trunk floor is raised?

@@angrydinosaur8plus9 Nah. Just because they are considered too small overall.

And many that have to recovered from minor sand, snow and mud.

The “subie” shouldn’t even be allowed to take up space on the road. Such a trash car

@@amazoidal Just like Jeeps and trucks. I have owned 3 wranglers and seen my fair share of wranglers getting stuck when they should not be.

Yeah because the person in the Subaru was just going fast and gaining momentum and they have bigger tires LOL all the Subaru does is have weak traction control and it leads you to places you can't really go

They would if people bought them

@@theBatmanGoeth2 People certainly buy the manual with the base engine.

BMW dropped manuals too because you must certify every different iteration of a car separately. If they offer a manual, it was estimated to cost $1 million in that certification. There weren’t enough buyers to justify that cost.

@@rightlanehog3151 just because 100 people nationwide buys manual doesn't mean it's worth it to design the manual for other engines

You misspelled 'neither' engine.

You may visit me and find the roller tests of Jimny, current generation and previous generation.

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@@OutdoorFun01 thanks! Definitely interesting to watch! Though, this is more of a real world application of the diagonal test.

Not really it had open differentials it would have just sat there and spun forever

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Durango actually did quite well in this type of test!

It's all good. Watch this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b5Ziorli16nXk4k.html Never floored it.

@@OutdoorFun01 Insannne!! The car was on ice too! + snow

@@LucaFidanzaLucaFidanzaVlogs 😉

That made me laugh thanks

Audi has several quattro systems, so it would depend upon which model they are testing.

Which Quattro and which S-AWD would you like to compare?

@@snowrocket Subaru has 4 different awd systems as well

Which they did

Other vehicles don’t have this same problem.

@@Widdox lol, k nigga

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They have been hating on subaru ever since they banned them from testing their vehicles.

Lol. I remember the Subaru CVT they took offroad. I remember them saying how pissed Subaru was.

This was a local dealership's car, not corporate.

@@123456789billybobjoe well even then, local dealerships weren't giving them cars for years. Now they are, so it's wonderful.

I dont think, that he used X Mode correctly.

I work for subaru. The awd systems are identical, but the XT has a more stout transmission.

@@dakotamorgan6594 is the Subaru CVT reliable?

@@pingpongballz5998 I wouldn't say it's any more or less reliable than previous types of transmissions subaru has used. The CVT seems to be happy to crank out 150k miles. I can tell you it is ALOT more expensive to replace when it fails though.

@@dakotamorgan6594 I got a 2016 Crosstrek. I'd be happy if it got 150k. Nobody keeps a car that long these days anyways. Just don't want payments for awhile. I'm at 53k so far.

If memory serves Ryan Douthet (not sure if I spelled the name right or not) over on driving Sports TV tested both the regular outback and the Onyx outback (onx has a turbo) and the Onx if memory serves done better on his hill climb test. It seemed to do good in the snow to. He bought the Onx long term and tested it in the snow with and without snowtires. I thought it done pretty good.Not a Rockcrawler or what I would call hardcore offroader. But still I thought it did better than some crossovers.

I have a Forester Sport. S/S# allows higher engine RPM before "shifting" as well as a sharper throttle control. You definitely feel the torque.

They already have. Look up the g wagon.

@@calholli ok

Buy another car then and go away

new subes are the best ones yet

It's all about LOVE....the love of attracting google loving millennials with gender friendly advertisements and gobs of REI bucks.

I somewhat I agree. its 2021 and blind spot monitoring isn't even standard in Subaru Crosstrek .. and neither is LED headlights lmao. they still use the old ugly yellow bulbs. thats just ... ouch. embarrassing.

@@jeepercreepers54 Im not a millenial, built a Golden Eagle edition CJ(1983) on Rockwells with a 427 under the hood as well as a few other off road vehicles over the years and love Subies. Great vehicles if you maintain them and no their limitations/intended purposes. Please, by all means proceed. These guys at TFL are a joke and probably don't possess the collective skillset to change a serpentine belt.

CVT ruins everything. Just ask Nissan.

I live in Alabama and it’s rare we get snow storms but a few years ago it we did. It started melting some and then really fast got in the 20’s. So all the roads froze over and were basically ice. There were cars abandoned everywhere. I had a 2009 forester with automatic trans. I was driving for Uber and I made a killing that day because nobody else was out there. I did see some other subarus. One of them was pulling another car with a rope going up a hill on a solid iced road. 😂. These new ones look like junk. You couldn’t pay me to have a CVT trans car.

What does a CVT have to do with cutting power from the wheels that don't have traction and giving it to the one that does?

@@JonBecker81 I'm sorry to hear that you live in Alabama.

@@tim3172 why are you sorry to hear that?

Exciting and boring at the same time. We got a nice snow after some melt, leaving it slippery. With covid, big open empty parking lot. People driving around in circles, sliding around. We decided to take out the Crosstrek and try it out. Turned off traction control and gunned it in a circle. Very uneventful, quite boring. Perfect.

@@BenjaminCronce I've been doing that with my Charokee Trailhawk very fun to do.

I just got one too. I'm honestly super impressed with how it handles on slick / snowy roads. I love mine. So comfortable haha.

I’ve seen a 2021 going through 3 ft snow, mud, and sand like nothing. Maybe these guys didn’t turn traction control off. This is not a real life test. The guy is whining when it takes 2-3 seconds to get unstuck, that is what happens in real life situations.

Duude Dad Lol

Subaru has increased both market share and raw sales every year except last year during pandemic. They had about 1% of the marketshare between 2000 to 2007. In contrast, in 2014 when the Outbacks and Foresters switched over to CVTs, their marketshare was around 3.5%. 2020 it sits at 4.2%, with 611,938 vehicles sold. 2019 saw them sell 700,000+ vehicles. In 2011, certainly a NON CVT year, they sold 267,000 vehicles. So I would argue that the CVT is not killing sales. I can't say if they would have sold EVEN MORE vehicles if they stuck with a traditional automatic. I have no way of knowing. But if we're honest, I think the majority of car sales are driven by other things. Sure, on these threads in these communities, we dig a little deeper than most and love to debate transmissions, differentials, etc. But the majority of consumers? I doubt it. And if you look at Mazda which a lot of folks like because of it's more sophisticated styling, and, on this tread, because of its standard geared/stepped automatic transmissions, their high-water sales mark was 319,000 vehicles in 2015. Since then they suffered and have only sold 279,000 in 2020. I'm not a CVT lover or hater actually, but with numbers like these, I don't see Subaru or any other manufacturer going back to traditional automatic transmissions.

I can verify that. My 2021 with a manual is a lot of fun.

It makes me think that something was off when they administered this test. Maybe the car wasn't sitting level...

@@wootwoot5032 the levelness of the ground shouldn't matter, most roads and hardly any ground offroad aren't level and thats where this car is designed to drive. The new CVT Subarus just plain suck compared to the AWD system in the manual or to a true 4WD system.

@@wootwoot5032 too timid on the go pedal. To give the computer enough info to trigger the power transfer (antilock brake clamping) you need to spin those tires faster so the computer realizes you aren't moving. If he'd have floored it, it would have taken off like a shot.

@@mandingo9471 absolutely not true. Once the abs sensor senses enough difference in speed it will trigger the brakes on the spinning wheels to transfer the torque to the non spinning wheels. Same with the outback and forester but not the wrx, and sti.

Good choice. I was debating buying a used Outback. Talked to my mechanic. He flat out told me don't buy one unless you still want to come see me. Head gasket issues especially on the larger engine. Instead I went with a 4runner. Super happy with it.

Ya if you buy a Subaru I think it’s probably best to buy a brand new one, a virgin!, cause maintenance is definitely key on these cars now🤦‍♂️

Same here. I went from a 2004 Forester to a new 4Runner. I hate the new Forester. It's more like a minivan. The Subaru CVTs are awful and their recent AWD systems are not very good.

The first model year for Subaru 4WD in the USA was 1975, I believe. Their first actual AWD was in ~1985.

Ford Edge AWD is one of the best. Gets off the rollers with one wheel.

I believe most of the Honda products that use the IVTM-4 system he tested did great

Tesla’s do well in this.

@@westcoast708 true

They used to test on a slope, which is a tougher test, until Tommy tested Tesla model 3.... then came the Tesla body repair mini series.