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@PeppoLS4 жыл бұрын
No BGM cuz this video is sad. The goal was sub5'50", in this video there were 2 major mistakes that prevented the sub6'10" (3:57 and 5:17) but dealing with both RNG of the monster and the RNG of the helmbreaker's hitbox it became impossible for me. I won't lose my mental sanity and my time because Capcom adds delayed hitbox mechanics (ISS and HB) they can't evidently manage. I'll reach my goal if Capcom will ever consider to fix this shit. I will take some time now for other projects I have in mind, so please stay tuned for some good content next month on my channel! Cya. Edit: This is the set, sorry I forgot to show it at the end twitter.com/ThatPeppo/status/1288863412173316096
@Devil_Kawaii4 жыл бұрын
Im a LS main too. Its very sad too see they never fixed helm breaker. So now ive been using the other 13 weapons.
@mhtox93314 жыл бұрын
Im a gs and ls main ive legit started to use my gs more now its sad
@ChaoSTrophicS4 жыл бұрын
😆 "i wont lose my mental sanity and my time" lol I find it funny reading this after seeing this many runs from u 😂
@Rathadude4 жыл бұрын
So is the glitch then because the hitbox from HB comes a little after you actually do the attack so if you use HB and the monster moves another part of it's body into the lingering hitbox then that part takes some of the HB damage?
@arshadzaidi46674 жыл бұрын
I was so confused lately. I genuinely thought I was just missing hits since I thought that shit got fixed before. Turns out they fucked it up again. This is the most used and most bugged weapon in the game. Wtf is Capcom doing?
@00eshi4 жыл бұрын
6:46 see? even alatreon is laughing at the hitbox
@DogeSargeant4 жыл бұрын
*G R A S S*
@00eshi4 жыл бұрын
@@DogeSargeant kusa
@shitbox78533 жыл бұрын
草
@idplease80883 жыл бұрын
0:41 pause
@stepkurniawan4 жыл бұрын
Alatreon: Uses ultimate Normal Hunter: "Quick, 1 person health booster, come come!" Peppo: *busy helm breaking
@skytree39934 жыл бұрын
So the solution of helm breaker missing damage is to randomly add the damage to other parts of the monster. Sweet.
@joesheridan94514 жыл бұрын
Yeah I love it when I land on the head but get a load of miserable grey numbers from everywhere but the head
@thechilzer78034 жыл бұрын
Based on the position, it almost looks like the hit box clipped the chest spikes while falling, but maybe it has something to do with the player's position, since all the 'failed' hits have the player a lot closer to Ala's neck than the rest, and the hitbox is checking near the hilt? I dunno, I'm not an LS main and this is the first I've heard of this, but maybe
@sportagus34 жыл бұрын
@@thechilzer7803 It doesn't make sense sometimes. You can even see it in this video on the second example where the grey hits are actually behind him. Logical thinking would have you believe the way it works is the hitbox for helmbreaker is vertical since it's a falling attack, but sometimes the actual hits are landing on a horizontal line.
@lolimmune4 жыл бұрын
it hurts your pride with anime cringe, thats how they balance helmbreaker
@wyycathewyvern22923 жыл бұрын
sportagus3 the Helm Splitter clipped the wing too, a tiny bit. It was in range during the fall.
@Wslasher4 жыл бұрын
3:56 Peppo: "Ok Alatreon, you can get 1 hit in."
@DogeSargeant4 жыл бұрын
Yeah me and my boy Alatreon trying to hunt down the impossible monster named "Peppo"
@Gatitasecsii3 жыл бұрын
What about the ice flares?
@billyjoe81853 жыл бұрын
Nasty-looking Navi that was an actually body hit
@rodelzildjianrodriguez63894 жыл бұрын
2:20 the timing on that helm breaker is so beautiful
@restrukted4 жыл бұрын
Imagine losing your sanity when you could solo alatreon in less than 10 mins Yet here I am, ordinary mortal, who has yet to conquer this mountain of a dragon
@ianlewis80744 жыл бұрын
I finally got my first solo last night after who knows how many attempts. You can do it, I guarantee.
@SAWFACEG593 жыл бұрын
Tbh solo is the way to go for alatreon if you don't have friends to play with. You don't have to rely on randoms to bring the right element, if any element at all (some idiots still try to bring in their blast shit) and getting the ele topples is easier too imo.
@takuame73 жыл бұрын
I've yet to solo him. Mostly because he starts playing a bullshit keep away game once he gets close to a element damage cap being met.
@idplease80883 жыл бұрын
The real mountain dragon is zorah.
@nathanaelmcghee60733 жыл бұрын
Feels
@jacksonchow33594 жыл бұрын
They should make helm break into single massive hit instead of multiple small hits
@ingohregg6883 жыл бұрын
aww but thats not as satisfying
@miguellazarogil9353 жыл бұрын
@@ingohregg688 they could "fake" it, dividing the damage and doing the multiple hits sounds but in reality it hit once with a shit ton of damage
@hex_vex88713 жыл бұрын
Chuan Li I think what he meant was it’ll be what you would normally get when doing all the little slashes added up, the problem with that would be the first hit of helm would wake the monster and the ultra one hit helm breaker wouldn’t get the sleeping hit multiplier while the GS does, theoretically giving it the bigger damage
@zyjen13383 жыл бұрын
@@miguellazarogil935 noice
@saito8533 жыл бұрын
@Chuan Li TCS was only added in World how would it be symbolic across the series
@Galbrei4 жыл бұрын
I was almost crying laughing watching those "helmbreakers" at the end, then the last one got replayed and I saw that 99 and almost fell of my chair!
@dem54554 жыл бұрын
The chest hits were worse offenders, he did kinda clip the wing with the swing but I don't understand the chest hits at all.
@ReviqMe3 жыл бұрын
Cringe
@ImWhyMortalsCry4 жыл бұрын
This was the most epic Alatreon run I'll probably ever see
@shrivel_d4 жыл бұрын
i love how you’re sheathing a scythe
@qave4 жыл бұрын
in my head i heard "Flawless Victory" from Mortal Kombat after Alatreon went down. well done, great dance
@user-ey2fl5ce5n4 жыл бұрын
最後のダイジェストから撮り直しのイメージがにじみ出てて切ない
@josshsharpe8111 Жыл бұрын
Probably the most amazing and satisfying long sword gameplay I’ve ever seen.
I got the special assignment, went in, get rekt, came out, cry.
@shiba_arknights4 жыл бұрын
動きに無駄が無く、見ていて気持ちいい
@TheOnlyNial4 жыл бұрын
Helmbreaker More like Shooting with Shotgun from 100m away
@zuliwe4 жыл бұрын
You apparently have never used a shotgun in real life.
@user-en1qw1be4z4 жыл бұрын
@zuliwe z Most people haven’t
@1030hayden4 жыл бұрын
I am a LS Player and I know this well. Every time soloing Alatreon, this will happen it feels so bad when they released the message that LS had been fixed but it still have some problem like this and so "DEAR CAPCOM” (I'm from Malaysia, my english sucks)
@xyrenity67034 жыл бұрын
I personally am my own "speedrunner" (13 minutes is the fastest I can do LMAO this is just for fun) but I can understand how those damage numbers mean SO MUCH to making sure you get the fastest time possible. Those hits to the neck despite a clear slash to the head make absolutely no sense.
@midgur4 жыл бұрын
that also happens to me, especially when ur hunting a monster with wings and u wantt to hit the front legs, some of the damage goes to the wings instead of the front legs
@icetwitch4 жыл бұрын
Seriously capcom just change it to 1 big chunk of damage like this one 1:16 but with greater value, that will really fix the problem
@Noltar4 жыл бұрын
It will only work of the attack is always a critical because if the monster moves while you’re doing HB and hit a hard part, you just wasted your meter for very little damage. Interestingly enough, I don’t think I have had that bug shown in the video.
@SAWFACEG593 жыл бұрын
The game is almost at the end of its life cycle. They aren't gonna completely change the way the hitbox works now.
@maiwaifuisdead3 жыл бұрын
@@SAWFACEG59 really? I thought they said they are planning to support mhw for a long ass time. I'd expect several more, at the very least 1 more huge dlc. Isn't letter G still free for that?
@doomstothfilms3 жыл бұрын
@@maiwaifuisdead Uh no bruv Fatalis is the last update. That's the end. They are moving on to new project after this. However monsterhunterworld servers and events will still run for quite some time.
@jombonidracuz61763 жыл бұрын
@@maiwaifuisdead Servers will be up for a long time, that's what they mean by supporting it. Other multiplayer games would just shut down their servers after moving towards a next project.
@orangecrushhex3 жыл бұрын
What I enjoyed most was your ability to evade so many attacks. As a Switch Axe main, the ability to avoid attacks is a key element in being a successful hunter especially with how immobile my weapon is.
@Khanhvu-pt6xu4 жыл бұрын
1:20 the golden scythe
@jasonZoo1234 жыл бұрын
Most of the moves you pull off are pure bullshit like im 100% sure i can never pull it off. And that ending combo is just fuckin gold. Nice Run man, mad respect.
@thevectorchef Жыл бұрын
This hunt was very satisfying. I can see the hitbox issue and was surprised Capcom didn't fix that issue (or did they later on ?) I still can't beat it with longsword, but it makes me want to give it another shot at the dragon chicken.
@BigDBrian4 жыл бұрын
the case at 7:15 where the wing is clipped seems to suggest it's to do with a giant hitbox they put on the move to make sure it lands. All the hits are to close bodyparts like the neck. I'm guessing it's not an alatreon specific issue, though maybe the position of his head compared to his neck worsens it. they're at about the same height when helmsplitter lands, maybe neck a bit higher sometimes. Essentially it's not a bug but a bad hitbox
@steffenaltmeier66024 жыл бұрын
they could have had multiple hitboxes... a tight one, which gets checked first to get precise hits, then a slightly less tight one etc. it's not even hard to implement, maybe 30 mins of work (plus a whole lot of testing ofc)
@user-sd6hk8lm9z4 жыл бұрын
未だ兜割がどうして多段ヒット扱いになるか理解できないし、一発に集合したほうがいいよ
@TheRegulus013 жыл бұрын
At some point after Iceborne began, I stopped using the helmsplitter. I was just way too irritated that it didn't work properly and the problem was never adressed. I used it again on Fatalis, but had a whole other problem. The slash hit the head, the efx triggered. Nothing. No damage at all. A perfectly timed helmsplitter with no reward and a wasted bar. It is truly sad and it feels even worse here. You have such beautiful, elegant gameplay and those helmsplitters were perfect. At least we had the Iai spirit slash as another big damage move. Let's see how it will be in rise.
@AxelOtaku3 жыл бұрын
Peppo: This is not ok Capcom... Capcom: Yes sir, sorry sir!
@jeroen924 жыл бұрын
I've never understood why helmsplitter gives multiple hits rather than just one big hit. It's one strike.
@jehonthecasual19904 жыл бұрын
Anime
@jeroen924 жыл бұрын
@@jehonthecasual1990 but in Anime katana don't deal multiple hit... They deal a single hit with an effect that is delayed between 10 and 20 seconds.
@nectarp91864 жыл бұрын
@@jeroen92 not really. Some anime character will just sheathe their katana and the enemy got cut to thousand pieces. I think thats where the idea came from
@rodoyafokristian17224 жыл бұрын
I understood if its spirit slash, but it is a freakin helm breaker.
@skite69ers4 жыл бұрын
They should switch multiple hits to spirit slash and only one hit to helm breaker lmao
@thetahoefox17884 жыл бұрын
Nice run I never knew LS I frames were so insane that an attack could move your character model like that w/o dmgs
@seanbalbuena87104 жыл бұрын
Jesus, glad to know i'm not the only one who experienced this bs
@doomstothfilms3 жыл бұрын
We literally just failed an alatreon because my helm breaker damage all went to his neck and chest for crap damage despite my sword quite literally clipping through the tip of his stupid head. He then proceeded to get enraged and fly until it was to late. If fatalis has some ridiculous damage check too I'm alt f4ing and going to bed.
@shotsfiredandmissed90684 жыл бұрын
no matter how much i study the moveset of the LS, id never be able to get this good.
@nectarp91864 жыл бұрын
Lmaoo that end music. Sad thing is capcom the type that will let something like tigrex hitbox stays forever soooo i hope they really works toeard making the game as less clunky as possible
@porkerpiggins17904 жыл бұрын
Weapon attacks that are only one move but have multiple damage numbers (like helm breaker, wyverns fire, Iai spirit slash, etc.) should be changed to just have one big number imo
@Gunsblazin944 жыл бұрын
I saw someone make this same argument further up, and at first I agreed, until I saw the counterargument. The counterpoint to that is this: What if for some reason the monster turns, or does a slight movement, and then that Helmbreaker that was meant to hit the head for 1000 combined damage, now hits its resistant wing for only 200? You essentially just wasted your entire big, damaging move to only get a fifth of the damage. The multiple damage numbers are overall a better way to implement it. I'm entirely sure that Capcom had the same idea when they were coding in Helmbreaker. They probably just found that the chance of wasting all of your damage on a target that got blocked in a manner that was out of your control to be...well, a bit lame, and unfun for the player. Still, the fact that what should be a straight, vertical hitbox can miss and hit other areas like in the video is an incredibly frustrating thing to deal with.
@dtlnor4 жыл бұрын
I think its not the problem of SHB's hitbox, it's about the hitbox of Alatreon's chest. Hope crapcom will fix it. (the reason of 7:21 is because 7:03, once you press the button, the hit box starting from when the player character pulls the sword backward in preparation for the swing, and continues to be active for a short period even after the character has landed. Which MoonBunnie's document about SHB state it very clearly)
@CarlTheSpud4 жыл бұрын
It very clearly looks like some hits in the drop are hitting spots the rise would create even if the timeline of hits is different (looks like those odd hits are the 5th or sixth?) So starting SHB behind the monster in its forearm-pit looks to be part of the problem. Fault nonwithstanding. I believe SHB should be explained in detail by capcom or some sort of hotfix be applied at a later date. I feel for LS but there are other weapons that could really use the attention.
@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 Жыл бұрын
The helmsplitter damage hitbox stuff is RIDICULOUS. Your blad isn't ANYWHERE CLOSE to hitting ANYTHING BUT the head.
@Syahburei4 жыл бұрын
Man what a sad time to be longsword main. Whoever made delayed hitbox a thing was a fool. We all know we cant be as cool as vergil... longsword needs a major overhaul. Seriously. Quick sheath lvl 3 is pointless as well...why cant i clutch straight away after a roundhouse slash and have to look at my character slowly sheathing it?
@user-ib6ln3xg9y3 жыл бұрын
同じ太刀使いとして本間尊敬しています!! これからもファイト!! 応援してます
@Azadazam4 жыл бұрын
Bruv fuck it. You're still a damn good player and your content is amazing. It don't matter what RNG does or how you missed your timing by abit. Its all good my man. You're still a god damn legend in my book. Way to go my man
@fernandoneaves63943 жыл бұрын
But still, I wanna put that song called "Solaris Phase 2/Perfect dark gaia theme" when I was start fighting against Alatreon, but before that, I will carefully see the area view and then change the song pitch regardless of Alatreon's elemental actives: 1. Ice Active (Low pitch music) 2. Dragon Active (Normal pitch music) 3. Fire Active (High pitch music)
@martinkwok26474 жыл бұрын
Alatreon:this is my sad story
@cooldudeachyut4 жыл бұрын
Speedrunning for such low times needs incredible rng. Still, a world record is incredible! Tbh I think the helmbreakers would have landed more consistently if you execute them completely perpendicular to Alatreon's head, though delayed hitboxes are not nice.
@arshadzaidi46674 жыл бұрын
Nah it straight up doesnt matter. I've done the same and it somehow hits the wing.
@RageInside.4 жыл бұрын
I've hunted Alatreon 100 times with LS, this shit has occurred in every single hunt I've done, it doesn't matter how accurate you land it. This problem needs to be fixed, but I think it is too late.
@zee16454 жыл бұрын
you must be delusional
@maggle40464 жыл бұрын
that grunt you make when the Helmbreaker just... phases through the monster
@yinu87604 жыл бұрын
Awesome video :) Can imagine how annoying the delayed hitboxes are if you're a speedrunner. Hope to see more videos in the future!
@hanajak2 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, they corrected Longsword in Rise. Now you get all your helm breaker damage plus bonus damage to parts you didn't even hit! 👍🏾
@darkducky3 жыл бұрын
1 year later and now we have the helmbreaker that transcends space time...
@lindthechaoticheretic87083 жыл бұрын
Lunastra: Aids Alatreon: Cancer Fatalis: Corona
@williamkelly32544 жыл бұрын
I know all too well about the dreaded ' did i really hit there helm breakers'. Feels bad man.
@Redst0neWiz4 жыл бұрын
That one proc you got on the tip of the wing looks valid considering your weapon did clip through his wing before he moved it back at the beginning of the helm splitter. Looks more like hitbox porn instead of just a bad hitbox. The neck procs though are completely BS
@federic06g673 жыл бұрын
Every ls user now: Happy mh rise ls user noise.
@KoreanGamerGuy4 жыл бұрын
Alatreon hitbox joins the battle between Lunastra's hitbox and Velkhana's jedi tail!
@Vasillone943 жыл бұрын
Daam bruh, poor alatreon, you completely destroyd him.
@Wintorn4 жыл бұрын
So far as I know that hitbox has always been janked to fuck and back
@FreakyBeaRTV4 жыл бұрын
still the best run, normal players unable to pull this off. GG Sir
@fung10544 жыл бұрын
If the Spirit Helm Breaker change to 1hits, i think i will take it
@namisauce98264 жыл бұрын
@Mister Jaux just bump the multiplier to 5 XD
@captainace12774 жыл бұрын
@Mister Jaux Tbh, helmbreaker has always had shitty ele multipliers, you only use it to dish out as much raw as possible
@felipeferraz90684 жыл бұрын
@@captainace1277 Well, from the release date elemental damage acts a bit weird in this game, like it's just an addiction. I think Crapcom could rework a little on how the elemental damage works.
@procow22744 жыл бұрын
@@namisauce9826 actually you would set it to 1.5 not 5 times since the hits only do 30% element for some reason just like the bows dragon piercer.
@namisauce98264 жыл бұрын
@@procow2274 yeah. its already quite hard to hit weak spots with HB with all the inconsistencies, plus a shitty multiplier. ngl im already having troubles hitting weak spots with HB cause the monsters keep moving an inch away
@Elementroar4 жыл бұрын
I swear, it almost feels like the HB hits are reorienting according to the camera somehow. Like, when rotating to see Alatreon from the front, because the HB downward trust intersects the rest of his body's LOS, it somehow reacts to that...
@Lunk424 жыл бұрын
I think you might be right I once landed a full damage helmbreaker on lunastra's head despite me completely missing the camera was in a weird postion too. Yet there are times where I land it properly and damage gets skewed like in the video.
@procow22744 жыл бұрын
@@Lunk42 I feel compelled to ask why you wouldn't aim at Luna's wings
@Lunk424 жыл бұрын
@@procow2274 because she literally just moved as I was coming down so I couldn't aim at anything. I just turned my helmbreaker 180 degrees behind me and still got the hit.
@SH3RMSY4 жыл бұрын
Great grind man, well done!
@ventusrex68363 жыл бұрын
Adoro l'Alatreon. Ottima caccia, bravissimo
@joshanderson98793 жыл бұрын
Y’all doing this in six min and I can’t even do it y’all a different breed love the content tho
@Vestige984 жыл бұрын
Easy fix would be to reduce the amount of hits but increase dmg, or just make it a singular hit. Idk I'm not a game developer
@CelestialCookies093 жыл бұрын
So, if the bug didn't exist...he would've died sooner. sheeeeeeeesh
@vuvuong66984 жыл бұрын
Today is the day i first slayed this monster i have never been so happy for months
@joesheridan94514 жыл бұрын
Better late than never lol
@alexbamier21944 жыл бұрын
Omg today is the first time I slayed Alatreon too,I was so happy.
@PeppoLS4 жыл бұрын
Eyyy congrats guys ✌🏽
@iman_nuaim62763 жыл бұрын
alatrion:this is great he wont kill me again me:dont be happy altrion because i will slay u :) me:anyways that was sooo good
@CoolBackPackk4 жыл бұрын
It’s illegal for you to be this good
@andrewsangona90994 жыл бұрын
Cleanest finish I’ve ever seen my god
@vicstone44643 жыл бұрын
Bro.... that was so dope and welled timed. I wish i played like that
@lostghost89694 жыл бұрын
Those dodge is a BIG flex.
@Krunschy3 жыл бұрын
As a longsword player myself, the bug showcase made me genuinely mad. Such beautiful helmsplitters deserve better.
@abwilliam62904 жыл бұрын
Bruh out of topic but damn that golden look on the scythe when you spirit iai slash looks sick
@DarkPST4 жыл бұрын
Nice run! Looking forward to future updates.
@-mokelo-84214 жыл бұрын
That helm breaker hitbox in the 2nd one... haha the hits went to your back when u slashed in front of the head. Demn they really messed up with the helm breaker hitbox. Sometimes i miss all hits when i hit in front of the head lol.
Hey Peppo. Just another great run on this video. What video editor app do you use, if you dont mind me asking?
@PeppoLS4 жыл бұрын
Sony Vegas
@kingkoy00724 жыл бұрын
@@PeppoLS thanks Peppo! Looking forward to more of your sword swinging vids.
@whispine86014 жыл бұрын
That's some cool ending there
@fabiettoaladin65883 жыл бұрын
Sei il Dio di monster hunter
@ok4yboi9293 жыл бұрын
Alatreon: *RoAR* "hey..." *rOaR*
@ottorudiger65783 жыл бұрын
I hate the Ls so much, that i love it
@eli-boy74734 жыл бұрын
Bro, that run was amazing! Very well done! Capcom seems to cut the budget alot when it comes to the favorite weapon in the game. I simply can't understand the mindset behind that
@kiero12363 жыл бұрын
When you stand aghast and realise, that you have become the monster. 😉
@realsatt Жыл бұрын
Still an awesome run despite HB’s bullshit. Do you prefer Rise/Sunbreak’s helm breaker, do you like what they’ve done with it?
@user-fg2me3 жыл бұрын
Im very certain that this video convinced low level hunters that you can speed run alatreon with dragon weapons. the amount of people that use dark claw without knowing he used a layered weapon and join my quest
@Leo-ry6zh4 жыл бұрын
The hit box thing is not a bug, you are just breaking the game with your insane-ness ....
@jay22alco3 жыл бұрын
not a hitbox problem. HB is just long continues damage and it must go somewhere. since there is not enought spot for the head to continue smaller slash of Helmbreaker and instead of stoping the damage completely it runs to the neck at certain angle.
@danberry46474 жыл бұрын
Holy crap this man is talented
@AngelBlood972 жыл бұрын
3:56 ah yes that shit got me just like that aswell. How do you want to prevent something you cant see.
@lorieldesamito39983 жыл бұрын
That enring though
@somafiora4 жыл бұрын
I mean there are other weapons in the meanwhile... Though the longsword gameplay is much more satisfying.
@user-se1qt3ng8i4 жыл бұрын
あんたはよく頑張ったよ…
@ryz_yt37773 жыл бұрын
Your last alatreon run til they bring the tempered and AT one...
@imshleep60814 жыл бұрын
Helm breaker should always hit if your looking in the direction imo
@dcshiori4 жыл бұрын
So sad ma furr-end. I feel ya. 😿
@Warm_Ice04 жыл бұрын
That thumbnail though 😤👌
@bluhmer19904 жыл бұрын
Since I'm not a speedrunner I've never noticed that. That's nonsense Capcom.
@ricwu4 жыл бұрын
godly hunt! I still need more practice >.< If helm breaker bug never gets fixed what would be your next favorite weapon for your speedrun content ?
@Shirozura4 жыл бұрын
As a fellow LS main it is really sad to see HB still being bugged and ISS shown no love by capcom. Also wish more moves were cancelable into eachother, like how you can cancel almost any move with foresight slash.