That was so scary, I dare not face it

might be a mod or something, the dice roll in conversation was a 20 too, that's 5 20s in a row

I felt that

To be fair if they were trying all endings and put a dice mod in - to guarantee the story to go accurately for these videos ❤ I can understand putting a mod in for it lol 😂 no one would want to failed the dice rolls mid recording just to have to restart it 😂

I saw one attack roll, not four. The “Critical Hit” message repeats for each effect that adds bonus damage to the hit.

Yeah that sucked as a caster lol, but none of that compared to the Mother Superior’s ultimate ability at the end of the fight: send Shadowheart to jail.

Yeah, the daylight spell does wonders though. They cast multiple darkness spells and you only need one to dispel most if not all of them.

I changed Selune Shadowheart to a light domain cleric when she bleached her hair. It was great both thematically, and her new channel divinity was amazing for this fight.

I just run back to the door and cast wall of fire on the stairs before closing it, and most enemies died before they could even come close, Viconia herself was half dead (with her Sanctuary buff still intact) by the time she got up,and the rest of the survivors died from a couple of fireballs.

we retreated to the stairs and cast wall of fire and hunger of hadar all the way up the stairs. They all died.

Uuuuuuh.....thats the dark urge

Your honor, my client, the Dark Urge, is just being a silly goose. He didn't mean to brutally murder all these people.@@TheCr0oked1

@@VDA19"I'll fuckin' do it again!" -Goofy the Dark Urge

Being good is kinda meh.

@@JB-xl2jc “a hyuk!” Why do I want to play Durge with a mod to play as Goofy and fully voice acted?

Me neither, she’s too annoying for me.

Its the way i went - full justiciar and went back to the temple with a real "god sent me" feel. Shar all the way.

Shar is such a cringe goddess tbh💀💀💀

@@silvercat18 Agreed. Only deity route that was fun for me, the rest just felt cheesy and uninspired.

​@@aegisScale Doesn't seem so bad to me, most of the Good deities are boring as hell

Yea, she was like “Fuck you!”

The comedic timing on the cut was perfect

Lack of crit blockers does that. She uses a debuff on SH to make her every hit she does makes a critical hit.

Threeway can solve this dispute 😂

@@drkinferno72 Could be foursome if they added Gorion's Ward

@@Keram-io8hv Elminster would likely show up and want a piece of the action too

The Aloy treatment xD

I thought I hated what they did to her in Dragon spear, but this is even worse.

I don't think she's surprised, she's unhappy and in denial

Viconia's diaries discuss this. She has raised Shadowheart for 40 years and given her special treatment on Shar's orders (special treatment for better and worse), but she's not happy about it. She worries that she is training her own replacement and that she will once again lose everything she has built. She probably hopes she can push Shadowheart back into submission, wipe her memories and hold onto power another hundred years telling herself that Shadowheart wasn't ready.

It's because she despises Shadowheart. Shar ordered Viconia to kill her entire sect that she founded and told her to start over and find, kidnap, and groom shadowheart to be shars chosen she's jealous of her and in denial and blames shadowheart for the sacrifices she had to make on shars orders.

A lot can happen in 100 years

@@drkinferno72 Sure but it's a game, so if you want to have a character fill a certain role like here, either create a new one, or then give a really good explanation for a character personality making a 180 (especially for player who actually got out of their way for her redemption), 'cause here it seems like they used Viconia for the hype (she's a popular character) instead of using because her character filled the role That as if Jaheira became evil without any explanation of why, you can't just handwave character development to "shit happened"

There's some dialogue you can eventually get to that explains it. Shar communicated to Viconia directly and told her destroy her old coven, and create a new one specifically aimed to abduct Shadowheart and brainwash her so Shar could turn a Selunite into her Chosen.

​@@guifire9747the only way her redemption was possible is through romance, and this way ends with her being assassinated.

@@troller8680 not realy true. Read her ending when she is in party but not romanced. He starts a temple of shar, but then purges it after a rebelion against her, throws shar away, travels up with drizz and in the end helps the elf queen and gets blessing of selune. Maybe its not full redemption, but its not compatible with the BG3 viconia....

If i'm not mistaken, a romanced Viconia is supposed to get assassinated at one point no?

​@@guifire9747yup, if you romanced her, her epilogue says she was killed by lolth assasins

@@gingergreenmashups its not really canon based off how the books are said

@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 books are nowhere close to being canon

just mod

Not true, you can believe that your BG1 and 2 character found a Tablet of Reawakening to bring her back from the dead (I believe it for my BG1 and 2 character). Remember, not romancing her does not change her fate set in stone by her backstory, because no matter what you do, Lolth still wants her dead for renouncing her and turning to Shar. Her non-romanced epilogue in Throne of Bhaal implies she might be dead, because after saving an elven settlement, no one has seen or heard from her since then. Think about it, Lolth does not anticipate your BG1&2 character to find a way to bring her back from the dead, so with Viccy resurrected, she is no longer marked for death because Lolth isn't aware she is alive again.

Sadly it's a familiar name slapped on instead of actually exploring the character and her potential endings. There's others, let's say without spoilers, but this one hits hard if you are a fan of her in the originals.

​@@ValkoinenShiro ​ She was my favourite companion in BG2. Her appearance here is handled pretty badly and hurts my headcannon. (By appearance, I mean taking part in the story, not physical appearance, though that also isn't how I would've imagined)

@@LightStreak567 I would argue Lolth would have a great deal of trouble killing her after charname ascends to godhood if the player goes that route. It's very conceivable she could live out the rest of her life with a god of comparable power to Lolth watching over her.

@@idellius7505 Gorion's Ward ascending to godhood can't happen, Wizard's of the Coast will never canonize a character that can be customized by a thousand players to become a deity. Their main rule for Forgotten Realms authors and game developers to follow is that their characters can't do anything that will drastically change the Forgotten Realms, the outcomes of their adventures have to be limited in scope. If Gorion's Ward ascended to godhood, we would have seen or heard about him or her in a 3rd, 4th or 5th Edition sourcebook.

same, she was my fav too. I can't help but feel she deserved better

Yep, Elves can live 700 years, and spellcasting Elves can live even longer, especially Drow. So 120 years for Viconia, would be like going from early 20s to early 30s for a human female. She looks more like mid 40s-early 50s here. Definitely not the sultry vixen she once was.

@@gingergreenmashups At this point it is obvious Larian did not give a single fuck about the old Baldur's Gate games. Why even bring back Vic or Sarevok if you are going to retcon or use them as throw away bad guys.

@@PlayerSkillFTW Shar is the lady of loss no of longlivety

@@neochrzeo8561 Matron Mother Yvonnel Baenre was the High Priestess of Lolth, and she lived to 2,043 years old before being killed, which is well beyond the typical elf lifespan.

You can spare her and let her go. I guess both in selune and shar SH options BUT.. she does drop a legendary shield so....

@@Mic_Glow You can loot her and then spare her, it's not mutually exclusive.

@@captsmollett I guess... Sadly the non-lethal toggle in my game is bugged, a lot of toggles are actually.. they don't show up

@@Mic_Glow I didn't have non-lethal turned on and you don't land a killing blow on her - I threw tons of fireballs around her while she was downed and it didn't kill.

@@Mic_Glow You don't have to do non-lethal, she will get knocked out to 1hp and be out of fight, and after you kill everyone else, you can talk to her and there will be the option to either kill her or tell her to GTFO. However I am not sure if she drops the loot if you spare her, because she has her legendary shield and mace. The only time I had to use non-lethal was with Minsc, otherwise you kill him and Jahira gets pissed and leaves your party permanently.

Read her diary. She was always jelaous of SH. Wanted to be chosen of Shar not raising one.

​@@ladyselin35 That's Viconia? Someone who lost everything and everybody she cared about and in that darkest moment was saved by Shar, ignoring Shar's will because... she's jealous for power? 😂 That must be an impostor, no way it's the same Viconia from BG2

@@starhalv2427 She was obssessed th it at first. I think Elder brain had somethng to do with it. Viconia was watchng Gortashs activities closely. When Elder brain slipped the information about whereabouts of the artefact Emperor, Viconia , Vlakith joined the game. It was like a chess. Viconia made a team to hunt artefact. Hoped Shadowheart wouldve get killed during mission.

Yep… she even defied shar and went on to save an elven city with drizzt. They threw that all away just to make her another token villain you meet and kill in the same breath.

@@ce5122 Minsc and Boo's Journal of Villainy is where a lot of the Baldur's Gate character lore changes happened between BG2 > BG3. Blame WOTC for butchering your BG characters because if that books exists then I'm not surprised if WOTC fucked with Viconia in some way.

​@@thisislame2207 > WOTC Yeaaah, no surprises.

@@raphezar2049 Yeah, Larian had to work with what their publishers wanted/had done. I am honestly surprised that Larian was still able to make this good of a game despite WOTC's fuckery.

in the original games she becomes good only if you romance her, but if that happens she dies in the ending.

​@@AlesSimonciaShe becomes good too if you dint romance her. She helped Drizzt defending Suldanesselar from Zhentarim and then vanished never to be seen again

There was dialogue in Throne of Bhaal where you could ask her to be your first priest after you ascend. She seems amenable to the idea when you talk about it, but It's left ambiguous in the prologue if you do choose the god route. She did in my headcanon though. XD

Especially weird since even as a Shar's follower, she was never fanatic about it, she was in the religion by name mainly

​@@abitdodgy2844there's a reference to that, in the room where Nocturne stays (shadowhearts friend) there are some jewels they comment on. they mention they were given to viconia in suldanesselar but they're not sure if she was happy to have them (or something along those lines)

To be fair I found this one to be cool, because those checks were Shadowheart convincing more and more of the Sharrans to follow her, which feeds into her power fantasy of being Shar’s Chosen, carrying out her will and purging the mother she’s had so much pent up hate for over the years.

that depends on the path you took. there is a way to get Viconia friendly with sharrans helping at the final fight

Vampire Bloodlines had the same issue because it too suffered from a rushed back-half. Both games got very railroaded at the end and make excessive use of combat encounters to compensate for the lack of rp.

I have that armor as a druid and I die a lot... I rely too much on my animal forms 🥺🥲🤌🏻

Useless, this fight is a complete joke even on tactician if you went the dark justiciar path

​@@coops1992 I mean... Fucking duh?

@@coops1992 yeah… I found this to be stupid hard on the Selûnite path but this seems almost comical on the Dark Justiciar path

It's Drow for: "The best". In the original trilogy, Viconia's battle cry was: "L'il Alurl for Shar!" which literally means: "The best for Shar".

Boohoo a character changed over the course of a century

So guess you are calling this WOTC fanfic then because that's pretty much on them for wanting her back that way.

Viconia had a button nose and rounder eyes originally, I can see this Viconia just as an imposter since everyone has their memories wiped anyway.

People can change... bg3 takes place what, 100 years after bg2? She probably went trough some dark stuff. At least it's not a change over few weeks like in GoT -_-

@@Mic_Glow in old bg games voice made her character in fact. especially in bg2 soa. I this Grey made great job by playing Viconia. Yes. But elves live for 1000 years or something near that. I dont think that she could change that much. It would be better if she had scar or something like that..

​@@eln6545but how exactly was he changed from her non redemption path?

I think she's formed creases from frowning all those years.

@@Mic_Glow BLA, BLA, BLA, LARIAN DESTROY CHARACTER VICONIA.

I think it might have been gotten from shars temple, possibly even specific to dark justiciar path but I honestly couldn't even say for sure I was just putting random stuff on in this playthrough

It's 1 of the rewards Shadowheart receives for killing the nightsong.

Gsuntlet of shar, through silent lubrary

That was in Waterdeep. Her journals in BG3 talk about this. All of the stuff that happened in Waterdeep and Suldanessalar is mentioned.

Cause just like Shadowheart he has option to turn evil, especially into necromancy.

У меня создалось такое ощущение, что новая актриса пыталась воспроизвести голос Грей Делизли, но получилась у нее не Викония, а Азула.

what i loved it, it was tough at first then i remembered to use channel divinity and it went off like a nuke, used it twice and it killed most of the cultists

ah i saved my channel divinity for the final fight, fair enough@@crunchyoats1862

having a part member with summon 6 ghouls skill from the necromancy of thay book trivialised this fight for me. the ghoul paralysis triggered most of the time on sharran minions effectively taking them out of the encounter

Flamewall + blackhole XD

Selune is only happy to lend her aid kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fchdZtqcxNuXZps.html

Shes not dependable to you shes just showing her vulnerable side to you. Shes still independed can perfectly live without you. She trusts you completely to share her insecurities. Not running away from her sadness or hiding it. Selunite Shadowheart is braver than Shar one. Because in Shars shes afraid of her wound , afraid of her past. Afraid to remember and face them.

Being willing to show your feelings to someone doesnt make you less independent, it just allows you to build a connection. Not to mention shes basically coming out of her shell after having been groomed and abused as a sharran before lol

Exactly. Boss babe Shadowheart is way more interesting than trad wife Shadowheart.

@@MistyKathrine Because game treats Dark Justiciar path with nonsense logic. She shouldnt even attend to party. Her memory shouldve been wiped. Shar forbids emphaty and love and respect.

@@ladyselin35 Without Viconia forcing her in front of the mirror, the days of her memories being wiped are over unless Shadowheart specifically wants it.

Shar felt that Viconia betrayed her, so most likely she gets judged as one of the false. As a chosen, Shadowheart is most likely is immune to aging, like most chosen in the Realms, so long as she stays loyal to Shar and doesn't get mortally wounded, she could potentially live forever. If she were to be struck down, she would most likely transition into undead as one of the Shadowed and become even more powerful.

That's because she is.

Hands down. Dark Justiciar Shadowheart sold me on this game + the sass included lol, it's incredible.

Cry about it minority. 1 in literal millions. You don't matter.

I wonder how BG3 would look like if this was made purely by Americans like Starfield or Elden Ring by the Japanese. I guess we will never know.

There is a mod called Baldur's Gate 2 Reloaded. Honestly I'm way more excited for that than BG3.

She was definitely aged up way more than she should have been. 100 years for an elf is comparable to like a decade or less. I also found her behavior here to be out of character for her too, imo. The voice actor doesn't even sound remotely similar to the old one either, so I think Larian dropped the ball pretty hard with our girl here. They do treat Jahiera and Minsc well though, and the game has a lot of really good features. I don't regret playing it, and would definitely say it's worth a run even if you were a fan of the originals like us, especially if it goes on a steam sale at some point.

You don't play it but you know for sure he doesn't have anything over the original? That makes no sense mate I can accept the argument for BG2, But past the nostalgy, BG1 isn't that great of a game, pass more time searching in huge ass area killing a thousand gnolls for almost nothing rather than actually playing a game, most side quest completely forgettable, no interaction whatsoever with the character in your party, it didn't age well at all and i would not advice anyone to play it currently apart from the lore to then play the way superior and better BG2 Pretending BG1 is above BG3 is straight false PS: Tho i agree that Viconia was done dirty, not only her redemption is thrown out the windows (like Sarevok's but i find it easier to believe in his case) but even when she was a Shar's follower, she was never hardcore about it, seeing her as a fanatics is out of character for someone who mainly cared about herself first, the opposite of someone devoted to religion (and yes she shoudn't be that old-looking, a century for a drow is nothing)

@@guifire9747 There was so much more nuance to her character too. Yes, she was rough around the edges, but that had a lot to do with the fact that everyone she'd ever met apart from her brother had betrayed her. It really just took the tiniest spark of kindness to end up uncovering a person who was surprisingly empathetic and deeply loyal. She never once betrays you despite having multiple opportunities where she'd benefit from it. I found her to be one of the best friends charname could make and arguably the best lover if you went that route as well. And yeah, seeing all of her best qualities gone and the character just reduced to a religious fanatic that drank too much of their cult's kool-aid is just sad. There was so much more to her than that.

@@idellius7505 You said it all, i don't like to go that way since they obviously put lot of work and love in their game, but it really seem like something someone who didn't play the original would come up with, even in my good-aligned party i kept Viconia around because she doesn't mind doing some good, she just never had the opportunity to do so when she was too focused staying alive She remind me of Morrigan in Dragon Age, rough when you don't know her, bad reputation, but a really awesome and fearsome ally when you actually go farther than the facade (and like Viconia, one of if not the best romance because of that reason)

​@@guifire9747 I don't actually need to play BG3 to know the writing and writers quality is inferior to those in the originals. I just have to watch videos, and currently, there is no lack of BG3 videos. Granted, in BG1 you don't get to interact with your companions as much as in BG2. But that was never the point. BG1's strength lies in its plot. We wouldn't even have BG3 were it not for BG1's success, so I don't know what you're talking about. We wouldn't even have the scene in this video, since Viconia herself is a BG1 character. Of course, the pace and progression is slower in BG1, but you are judging it through modern lenses. When the game came out, people had longer attention spans and did not care so much about instant gratification. They took their pace. BG3 is D&D 5e after all, where everyone begin as a superhero, and a walking god by the end of the day. In BG1 you were just like every D&D character back then. A common person that becomes a hero, and eventually, a god in thei own right. I stand by my opinion, BG1 writing is superior to BG3, which, I believe, owes its success to advanced graphics and overly sexual tones. (Bear) sex sells, after all.

I had unlocked the ilithid powers and used the black hole ability which is like a win button. The whole room gets sucked into one tiny spot and you just drop hell on them

i respecced shadowheart into a cleric of selune before this doing this part of her quest and her channel divinity ability dispels darkness and deals a shit ton of damage to the shar cultists

@@crunchyoats1862 hahah I didnt even think of that. for some reason I was thinking she automatically "respecced" after her hair change, I thought selune and shar were both trickery domain lol