Performance vs Non-Performance Catamarans - Rethinking our Next Boat

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The O'Kellys

The O'Kellys

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We’ve learned a lot since we caught the Performance Catamaran bug, and wish this video existed when we began our search. Performance Catamaran questions everyone should investigate before purchasing. Thanks to our sponsor SEED: Click: bit.ly/3TAUqGr and get 25% off Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic with our code: OKELLY25
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How comfortable are they in the open ocean?
Are they faster in the open ocean?
We know the pros but what are the cons?
How much experience/training is needed?
How much more specialized gear is required?
Are daggerboards necessary?
Are they harder and more expensive to maintain?
Is the market smaller when selling?
Is insurance really that much more?
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00:00 Intro
01:52 Multihulls we’ve sailed
03:25 Performance Market
07:00 Adjusting to Lifestyle
09:06 Seed Advert
09:49 Training
13:05 Market Trends
15:20 Really Faster?
18:37 Helm Position
20:16 Rethinking Daggerboards
22:36 Update/goodbye
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@thomastepas8699
@thomastepas8699 3 ай бұрын
Megan as Psychiatrist playing solitaire is hysterical!!
@GR8TDUCK
@GR8TDUCK 3 ай бұрын
Yep, I almost spit coffee at my screen.
@davekeefe8938
@davekeefe8938 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, nice touch on the solitaire.
@andersonautomotive
@andersonautomotive 3 ай бұрын
We were howling. And then when she cut him off and said to schedule more time... funny stuff.
@deartori
@deartori 3 ай бұрын
Love the solitaire, reminds me of The Office
@allanburt5059
@allanburt5059 3 ай бұрын
It’s so Megan
@michaelpimentel8710
@michaelpimentel8710 3 ай бұрын
Nick’s comparison with aviation is spot on. I have been flying 30 years. I am currently a Captain at a major airline. I started sailing in 2021. There is so much transfer from aviation & sailing. When I was a flight instructor many years ago a new student came to the school wanting to get his Private Pilot Certificate. He informed us that he had all ready purchased an airplane to learn on. He purchased a Mooney, the Porsche Special Edition. We quickly explained that was a very bad idea & he would progress more quickly starting off in a Cessna 172. He relented & learned in the 172. As soon as he earned his Private certificate he found an instructor to give him the 5 hours required MINIMUM training & high performance sign off. 6 months later he crashed & totaled his Mooney Porsche SE. Luckily he was only slightly injured. You can’t fake experience. Crawl-Walk-Run. Go out & get as much training as you can. Don’t bite off more than you can chew. When it all goes sideways I can assure you it’s never a beautiful crisp spring day. It’s a dark stormy night. Set yourself up for success.
@dajobra
@dajobra 3 ай бұрын
I agree on the Crawl-Walk-Run idea, but I don't think Outremer is that high performance. I am not saying sailing is easy or safe by nature, but I don't think the skills needed to run a 42 or 55 foot boat are very different.
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
That's a sad story. Yes, a lot of parallels flying and sailing. I think CRM training would go a long way on a boat...
@darthkek1953
@darthkek1953 3 ай бұрын
A famous example is Jenny Blalock. Passed her exam, barely. Bought a superfast "slippery" plane. Crashed & died.
@michaelpimentel8710
@michaelpimentel8710 3 ай бұрын
@@dajobra Yes I agree. It is the same skills. There is no difference. However if you lack experience & then you throw in added complexity & speed, the likelihood of a “negative outcome “ is much greater.
@michaelpimentel8710
@michaelpimentel8710 3 ай бұрын
@@TheOKellys Yes. CRM came from disasters & people being killed & injured. It has saved untold lives likely. Checking our egos & accepting feedback on performance is critical to become safer & more capable. Boats & airplanes have limitations which are known & which you need to obey. You need to have your own personal limitations, which can change depending on experience, weather, the boat you are sailing, the crew you have etc.
@rexvaughn986
@rexvaughn986 3 ай бұрын
“Does the crew match the boat” is a great statement about so many things. Very insightful
@michaeloverton642
@michaeloverton642 3 ай бұрын
I started windsurfing at 16, hit the hobie scene at 18, 24’ Santana at 25, 27’ Ericson at 30 to accomodate wife’s need for a proper head, at 37 we moved up to a N/M Morgan 36 to accomdate our 3 girls and my need to race, and at 57 we moved to probaably our last boat a Catalina 400. When I was young, wet and wild was great, but wife/kids, and a lifetime of sailing have left me wanting a roller everything, no teak topside, suger scoop, dual wheels, davits, and handsome full enclosure! Life is good in my 60’s!!! The best boat is what accomodates your needs at that stage of life! I loved this video, very affirming.
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Never say last boat….lol
@kelpdive
@kelpdive 3 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this episode. The honestly and humble reflection on your boat search was so refreshing. As a life-long sailor I have been truly worried seeing so many folks recently buying way more boat then belong in. Also your background data, supporting clips and editing style make your videos really a joy to watch. Thanks
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Well thank you. Yeh, it is pretty amazing how many people jump in the deep end. Not saying they aren't capable, but the ocean will humble hubris, 10-10.
@andersonautomotive
@andersonautomotive 3 ай бұрын
@@TheOKellys I met a guy in Martinique a year ago with his family sailing on their new boat. This was his first sailboat, an Outremer 5X.
@philipwilkie3239
@philipwilkie3239 3 ай бұрын
At this rate we'll have you back in a mono 🤣
@happysaylar8263
@happysaylar8263 3 ай бұрын
like me......
@terryroth9707
@terryroth9707 3 ай бұрын
Too funny! I actually lol'd as I sit here waiting for my burger.
@Zephyr653
@Zephyr653 3 ай бұрын
Team mono for sure!!
@rws210
@rws210 3 ай бұрын
😅😅😅😅😂😂
@rws210
@rws210 3 ай бұрын
Well, let me tell you something about Cowboys. And you need to listen... Every cowboy only owns one great horse in his life and no matter how many horses he rides, it's never as good or never means as much to him.As that one great horse... Now you talk to any old real old cowboy , and I'm they'll tell. you ..this damn straight true.. .. You may keep trying to find another boat.That you're fall in love with , but you won't , coz.it'll never match up to -- ( need I say it ?? ).. They say The biker doesn't pick the bike ,, that the bike picks the biker.. That the cowboy doesn't pick the horse. The horse picks the cowboy. You can analyze all you want.. But when you pass by the right boat .,,,, -- The boat it will let you know..
@tiopirata2
@tiopirata2 3 ай бұрын
I am a professional skipper and rigger and have about 360,000 sea miles, mostly multihulls under my keels and I have been watching your vids for some time, always good to get an intelligent perspective. Thanks for this. Now that I approach 70 years old my perspective is also modified, I have owned, sailed raced high performance multis from GBEs to ORMA60s and still love them. I regard the "high performance" market foisted upon us as difficult boats though many of their features I still find desirable, just that they have become unnecessarily complex, indeed most sailboats have. To me, the stock, or near stock, boat market has nothing to offer, I yearn for something like David Barker's "Sundreamer" for its performance and simplicity, as an example this thing is 43 years old and still one of the fastest boats out there, just very spartan which I like, keeps maintenance to a minimum. Perhaps I will build a Harryproa next, each to their own as you say
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Wow, thank you for the kind words. It means a lot from someone with your experience. Appreciate it.
@tiopirata2
@tiopirata2 3 ай бұрын
As I have enjoyed your adventures and comment also. Through you I have seen aboard a few vessels that have caught my fancy, my thanks to you.@@TheOKellys
@sheilaconley8445
@sheilaconley8445 3 ай бұрын
To sum it up, you gained “Clarity” in who you are as sailors, what excites you about sailing combined with type of boat that ultimately suits you.
@leeoldershaw956
@leeoldershaw956 3 ай бұрын
Many years ago circumnavigators found two roller furling headsails with wisker poles was the most efficient rig. Maybe add a self tacking roller furling staysail. The double head sails are easily trimmed and reefed for a wide range of wind speed and angle with almost as much efficiency as all the "balloon" type sails. Protected helms, dual electric windlasses, autopilot, refrigerators and watermakers provide redundancy. Many kws of solar and LIon batteries allow induction cooking and even sleeping area AC. Diesel propulsion still a must perhaps on a cat one could be a hybrid. Starlink a must. Radar and AIS 24/7 on a passage for watch keeping. Drop in spaces for big box store AC fridges. Reliability, redundancy, ease of use and comfort rule. Nowhere do I list speed which is mostly determined by waterline length. No sail drives, unprotected rudders or props or folding props. No dripless stuffing boxes. Get rid of the mantra, " Cruising is fixing your boat in exotic places".
@Treadways
@Treadways 3 ай бұрын
One of the wisest takes on this was from some older ex professional windsurfers or kite boarders. The couple said they wanted a boat big enough to bring their fast toys but be comfy for when you are in take it easy mode. They were giddy on their fountaine pajot, we'll go fast when we get there and we'll be well rested in between.
@valeriesorrells
@valeriesorrells 3 ай бұрын
Love the transparency of the journey. It mirrors what my husband and I are doing as we look for our first boat.
@donaldbagwell7252
@donaldbagwell7252 3 ай бұрын
While my wife and I were watching your content I was composing a comment concerning middle of the road boats, when I stopped and thought to myself " those two have more than enough miles to KNOW the compromises they feel best about.) Soon as I finished the thought, you went into everyone DO YOU. We loved this episode, and your content.
@dadthegrappler4125
@dadthegrappler4125 3 ай бұрын
Still the most informative AND entertaining boat channel on KZfaq!!! I don't know why I'm surprised, again; but this was top notch. Thank you for the great content.
@chrisr819
@chrisr819 3 ай бұрын
Really one of the best sailing channel even you don‘t have a boat…kudos. Wynns and RR2 turned into commercial channel for manufacturer and other stuff…. Another question are you really a sailing couple or effectively a single hander with additional pair of hands? Sure not you 2 but I know many where the wife/partner wouldn’t even manage to anchor the vessel in a bit challenging places alone or really handele the boat alone if the other partner is out of operation…not taking about really severe weather. That’s why I joined several friends on crossing so a 2nd experienced person is onboard that handles the boat alone… Doing that on a performance cat a 3rd person is a must so you need a crew of 4 to safely do it depending on other people.
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
This is a really good point and question new owners need to answer honestly for themselves. I think that to really push a fast catamaran to its potential, at least two competent crew are needed for ocean passages, preferably three, and ideally four. It is all about the watch schedule and rest for the crew. You go with less crew and you simply must throttle back to stay safe and rested. Sleep deprivation is a real consideration.
@svZia-Switch51
@svZia-Switch51 3 ай бұрын
Another well thought out and educational discussion. Thank you for continuing to bring a little bit of sanity to would-be boat owners and/or cruisers as I really believe many of them can use it! One thing i would offer regarding boats that sail well to weather and are generally a bit lighter is that a faster boat can always be slowed down and sailed more conservatively, but a slow boat will always be slow no matter what you do. One thing i do take exception with is this idea of having to motor when the winds die down. I will take 2-3 knots under sail any day over motoring and for me that is the true strength of a performance oriented cat that is lighter by design and kept lighter by its owners. But then again, we are not on a schedule to deliver our boat to a show. Good luck with your search!
@janaka861
@janaka861 3 ай бұрын
I am 69 and used to build custom sailboats in Newport Beach California. Monohulls! Length on waterline determines your speed. Weight determines your comfort STARTING at around 55’. 55’ and then 65’ (not in between!) determined the best comfort at sea. Why? Because offshore the swells run in lengths that shorter boats would get tossed around and off length boats would be very uncomfortable. The notion that having a ‘performance’ boat is way overrated. Just stop and think about how much of your TOTAL time do you spend offshore? Very little. What a performance boat buys you in crossings more than screws you in living aboard. Love this channel folks. You are amazing. Keep up the PRAGMATIC advice for folks!
@lukeellis6330
@lukeellis6330 3 ай бұрын
Wow quality video, so authentic. You may not see the direct impact but this will definitely influence future boat owners & non performance cat companies will reference it forever
@dianegriffith3006
@dianegriffith3006 3 ай бұрын
So agreeing -I’m excited for new news/boat!
@RiverWoods111
@RiverWoods111 3 ай бұрын
Honestly, this journey you have taken us on has been just as cool/interesting to watch as your sailing videos. I think I have learned a lot from you. This video was done so well too. Loved the solitaire on the computer in front of Megan.
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
thanks, lol
@louroberts9035
@louroberts9035 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for finally saying what I have been feeling for several years now. I have been waiting for somebody to make this point and you did it fairly and comprehensively. For me, it started while I was looking for a new live aboard catamaran and had an opportunity to help my friend sail a brand new full carbon HH 50 from Mexico to Hawaii and realized how much extra work, skill, stress, and quite frankly, discomfort went along with the additional speed. And, by the way, we didn't actually average the speed we were expecting even though we were all experienced offshore racers. I ended up with a heavier and safer catamaran, and I accept the trade-off between the stress, safety and cost and the marginally lower average speed. More than anything, I want pleasure from sailing and I'm willing to give up those few moments of sheer thrill and exhilaration when the conditions are perfect and the boat can do 15 knots.
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Yep. Exactly. See, this is why real open ocean experience on these faster boats is so important. You look at the polars on your go-fast boat, you dream of the endless 240 or even 300 mile days and then you see (and feel) what it takes to do that and you re-think your priorities.
@MrHelmuth1
@MrHelmuth1 3 ай бұрын
With other words : you are getting older and wiser, seeing that comfort outperforms speed ? 😜🤣😂
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
We will get a faster boat...just not maybe the "performance" boat we thought we would. The definition has changed for us.
@LetsGoOutdoors
@LetsGoOutdoors 3 ай бұрын
Does the crew match the boat. That is so spot on and a question every potential owner should be asking themselves regardless of pleasure boat they want to buy. Great stuff!
@rmkep
@rmkep 3 ай бұрын
Horses for courses and horses are also a good analogy. Don't get a finicky thoroughbred when what you need is a good saddle horse.
@sailingsomeday5975
@sailingsomeday5975 3 ай бұрын
Great concept for this video - I spit my coffee out when the doctor was playing games - Good information too.....
@alistairmcdonald265
@alistairmcdonald265 2 ай бұрын
Very good insights here. Everyone looks for the right boat for them as a person/couple/family. Ideally for us, and I think you, there is a boat with the performance level, safety and comfort to cover most of our requirements. Safety is top of the list and speed and the upwind ability of a boat adds to that when you are running from or to something. Daggerboards offer just as much added performance when running down wind as they are removed from the water and with them the drag that comes with fixed keels. Having them gives you the ability to sail better upwind when and if you need to as well. Waterline is important but how much extra do you need or want to pay for as a couple or single hander? You pay for the added length continually as long as you own the boat, as you know. Finding the right balance and compromise is the challenge for all of us. Good luck!😅
@nickmalone3599
@nickmalone3599 3 ай бұрын
Framing this discussion in creating memories and what those memories will be is key, and really helped me. Thank you.
@SailingNahoa
@SailingNahoa 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for voicing what we have been thinking for years. Safety, then comfort and finally performance is how we rank our needs. Sleep and rest are #1 priority for us offshore. Performance even comes after liveability at anchor as we are anchored 90% of the time. Thanks for the video guys ❤
@laurahaynes3009
@laurahaynes3009 3 ай бұрын
Firstly, you've pretty much nailed making a video without a boat which, for a sailing channel, is a preeeettty big ask. Secondly, you confirmed we got the right boat (Leopard 62) Thirdly, the personal growth is evident, I actually enjoy your channel a lot more. Hope you find a perfect for you boat soon, if you haven't already
@oceanrider68
@oceanrider68 3 ай бұрын
Such a creative way to present this topic. Throughly enjoyed it. I’m a MV boater, but have learned a LOT about the sailing, and boating in general, from you both.
@bjjan8592
@bjjan8592 3 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this format and content. Thank you for still producing videos for us!😊
@servandopatlan6150
@servandopatlan6150 3 ай бұрын
Probable the most helpful and realistic of all episodes. Things do go wrong and the more forgiving the boat and rig, the more aventures ahead.
@stephenpearce3815
@stephenpearce3815 3 ай бұрын
Great video with your Psych visit generating a smile. I am so glad you have come to many of the conclusions you have. The video you referenced with all the data regarding passages and times taken is well worth watching. I first saw it some years ago and it still makes sense today, especially today. Many of the people I know who are attracted to the high performance cats also resent being overtaken on the freeway. If you look at the experience of people like Ben and Ashley from Sailing Nahoa (who actually make passages across oceans) they have come to many of the same conclusions, which are reflected in their new Nahoa 55 boat build/design. Either way I hope you can find a boat you will be comfortable in at anchor (which will be 95% of the time) and can make passage safely and at a reasonable speed. Like many I would like to see you back on a boat making great content which is valuable to many. All the best!
@prasanthnair611
@prasanthnair611 3 ай бұрын
Greatly appreciated. This was a question I was searching for an answer to. I think you nailed it that the true experience of the boat doesn’t equate to the speed, and how speed often comes with its own stress. Thank you!
@donwilson1061
@donwilson1061 3 ай бұрын
Easy to "stick with you" - you are always thoughtful and entertaining! I look forward to your videos.
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Aww thanks Don, so nice to see your note!
@andrews57217
@andrews57217 3 ай бұрын
What a creative video! So informative yet entertaining. It was also spot on as I digest and narrow our own search for our first boat. Thanks for this. Your warnings for newbies taking on too much was so pertinent.
@MsVitaMaria
@MsVitaMaria 3 ай бұрын
Excellently done video! Super real, super no BS! Super informative & entertaining!! Love all your videos
@LoriandDavesSailingAdventures
@LoriandDavesSailingAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Great video. Thank you for the inspiration. Glad to see you haven’t lost your sense of humor. Your next boat is out there.
@judyharff8411
@judyharff8411 3 ай бұрын
Such a great video!! Sounds like its really been an inner journey as well!! But great you have had the time and the opportunities to explore this. Patience and acceptance!!😊❤
@johnnosprads5883
@johnnosprads5883 3 ай бұрын
Very insightful thanks guys. Learnt a lot here.
@NJ-Cathie
@NJ-Cathie 3 ай бұрын
Good luck 🍀 with the search & excellent video!
@traviskreger7235
@traviskreger7235 3 ай бұрын
Thanks. Great video. Yesterday I nearly commented on your prior video asking if all was well? Enjoy the updates and you sharing your knowledge.
@anthonyriggi1722
@anthonyriggi1722 3 ай бұрын
Great stuff! Thank you for all the hard work to share, entertaining and informative.
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Our pleasure!
@docdurdin
@docdurdin 3 ай бұрын
I believe that trip on the Outremer taught you everything you needed to know. Less can be more. Now you have more, Clarity.
@danaabbott7066
@danaabbott7066 3 ай бұрын
Super good assessment.
@sharkeymusic9165
@sharkeymusic9165 3 ай бұрын
Excellent and honest video! Been watching you folks for several years. Don’t get sucked into the need for speed! Look for comfort and safety! We also watch several of the other KZfaq catamaran Channels and we are not seeing those that went with High Performance absolutely loving it. It is a different beast altogether and one that I don’t think is suitable for many folks. We don’t have a Catamaran but if I was to buy one I would look real hard at the Antares Boats. Best of luck to you!
@Boody523
@Boody523 3 ай бұрын
This is one of my all time Okelly favorites, and great points all around
@squirejinx
@squirejinx 3 ай бұрын
"Thoughtful" is how experience enhances the future. Great video!
@JohanGamst
@JohanGamst 3 ай бұрын
What a great video about this topic. Really helpful and informative. Thank you so much! 😊
@user-cg2wy8gr4i
@user-cg2wy8gr4i 3 ай бұрын
Clever video, enjoyed the whole idea. I guess this opens your horizon of choice and just take on what suits you both!!
@ravenmoon1165
@ravenmoon1165 Ай бұрын
Fantastic video illuminating what really matters. I known you’ll find a great boat! I cant wait to see your new adventures.
@georgemorris9971
@georgemorris9971 3 ай бұрын
The reason there are so many different boats available is that none of them tick all the boxes. I have a 14ft monohull dinghy for 'proper sailing', a fifteen foot trimaran for pretending I'm in an 18ft Skiff, a 22ft cruiser for occasional sleepovers and day sdailing without the constant threat of capsize and access to a Cessna 152 for going a bit further afield. Charter boats up to about forty feet for three weeks a year fill in some of the gaps but I still feel I could use three or four more boats to tick all the boxes. a waterfront house somewhere nice with its own slip and a boathouse containing a few small boats would tick most of the boxes!
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
bikes are like that too...and guitars...
@DeanPaarman-BalanceCatamarans
@DeanPaarman-BalanceCatamarans 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely Brilliant Video! Well done, you guys are a real triple-threat performance-couple (Sailors, educators & content creators). Very informative & entertaining. And yeah, I was pretty pleased to see that Balance ignited your desire for performance 🔥 yeahaa .... but more importantly, that Balance hit the middle of the triangle. Right on target! Lifestyle and comfort should not be compromised by performance. 🌴⛵😎
@clausgiloi6036
@clausgiloi6036 3 ай бұрын
Frank, insightful, informative. I think this is your best post-Clarity video. Thanks!
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@lazzj4995
@lazzj4995 3 ай бұрын
The best and an enjoyably unique walk through of the yachting market….thanks for being real and logical about yr abilities and needs. So we will see you buying a gun boat next month😂
@HoffCo
@HoffCo 3 ай бұрын
I loved this episode guys! Great job and very creative!
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Thank you. It was a fun one to make.
@TiAma-my2zy
@TiAma-my2zy Ай бұрын
Thank you so much. You helped me - bluewater sailing on an aluminium monohull and missing sometimes the speed - to dig much deeper into the performance catamaran thing. Top information on a professional-like level!
@Cajundaddydave
@Cajundaddydave 3 ай бұрын
Yep, every boat is a compromise in some way and finding the right match between boat and crew is the secret sauce. I love day sailing on a very cutting edge high performance boat but for crossing oceans, I would choose a performance-cruiser somewhere in the Seawind category. A well performing sailor's boat with enough creature comfort, less intense performance envelope, and at a lower production cost. I would choose fixed keels for rudder protection and a rig that can easily be handled with a crew of 2. Best wishes guys!
@sailingtelaru
@sailingtelaru 2 ай бұрын
Great insights... Compromise is certainly key.
@jud2820
@jud2820 3 ай бұрын
Performance anxiety 😂 now that was hilarious. As someone who has been following you guys for years very accurate in your description of what works, what doesn't and how you can get in over your head. Love you guys
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Ahh thanks. We love you too.
@JohnCornellier
@JohnCornellier 2 ай бұрын
We are all looking very much forward to seeing you sailing.
@soloflight75
@soloflight75 3 ай бұрын
Hey guys, it was interesting to see where the HH-OC fell on your chart. I am a bit in love with the HH-OC 44 the Wynns have. I think it would make a great second boat. Plenty of time to learn to sail while they build one for you.
@terryroth9707
@terryroth9707 3 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. I doubt that Nick and Megan need to really learn much, though. I love the HH-OC 44 the Wynns have, as well.
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
It's so hard to categorize boats and put them all on one chart.
@soloflight75
@soloflight75 3 ай бұрын
@@terryroth9707 I was actually refering to myself. I am hoping to move up to something bigger than my old Sunfish.
@terryroth9707
@terryroth9707 3 ай бұрын
@soloflight75 I hope things work out for you. Unless I hit the lottery, I'll never own that cat. Even then, I would need to learn to sail first. I'm just living vicariously through KZfaq, right now.
@heathersweeney7130
@heathersweeney7130 3 ай бұрын
Such an informative, fabulous video!!! Thanks for another great one, guys!!!
@romanlevicek6744
@romanlevicek6744 3 ай бұрын
Best video you have ever produced. So true and so fun to watch...thank you for summarizing what so many of us struggle with...
@sailingtelaru
@sailingtelaru 2 ай бұрын
We agree- such a well produced video here!!
@williampace6021
@williampace6021 3 ай бұрын
I started following your channel after watching your mono vs cat video. I thought it was well reasoned and informative. We spent 10 years aboard our Amel ketch, but age, seasickness, and grandkids pushed us in to the Cat. We met very few performance Cats cruising, and really only one couple truly qualified to sail one-both open ocean world wide racers. Even they had to slow things down for their son. I think you have come to a rational decision on helm position-no one I know really spends a great deal of time at the helm truly sailing, but many enjoy the view from a raised position. If we really spent every minute at the helm, an autopilot would be superfluous. I wish you luck in continuing your journey. I don’t mean this in an ugly way, but I don’t think a performance Cat would have saved you a year’s time. Fair winds.
@YarisWRC2
@YarisWRC2 3 ай бұрын
Two directions you were heading I didn't agree with, the Outremer deal and the "performance at all cost" orientation, I have had race multi hulls, cruisers and compromise boats. I have 100% confidence in your process to get this right.
@four4xxxx
@four4xxxx 3 ай бұрын
Agree. As a redhead, there is no way in hell my boat will have an exposed helm or cockpit. Yes you can cover up like she showed and I do when needed, but do you really want to live like that on your home?
@hippitydippity3331
@hippitydippity3331 3 ай бұрын
Very enlightening. Thank you for the review, very helpful.
@BobFirth
@BobFirth 3 ай бұрын
One of your best videos, one that everyone who is thinking about buying a cruiser should see. Great analogy with the airplane. Love solitaire on your "therapist's" iPad. Very cute. Love your sense of humor.
@malibuchakra
@malibuchakra 3 ай бұрын
So happy. I missed you. Great intro.
@leozidek-tc8tn
@leozidek-tc8tn 3 ай бұрын
Great come back, very funny and inspiring. Well done 👏
@richardthomson4693
@richardthomson4693 3 ай бұрын
Finally you agree with me. I have always said that preformance anything yacht works the best for weekend weekend/coastal cruisers. Allowing you to get to and from somewhere as fast as possible maximising your time where you want to be. When you are cruising the world this schedual becomes less important
@SuperBellalucy
@SuperBellalucy 3 ай бұрын
Well done, a fun video. You’re getting good at this 🙂
@woodymike5
@woodymike5 3 ай бұрын
Okay, that was funny! I specifically like the solitaire while in counseling!
@OrionDomeric
@OrionDomeric 3 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. As aspiring cruisers we’ve been debating what we want. I think you just settled it for us. Thanks for putting this together.
@carlhall373
@carlhall373 3 ай бұрын
Loved it, one of your best episodes.
@Eddie-qs2co
@Eddie-qs2co 3 ай бұрын
Good video, like the honesty. It has been something I have thought about a bit, speed or comfort. Cheers
@joanna_adler
@joanna_adler 3 ай бұрын
I loved this video - the humor (solitaire playing psychiatrist, lol!), the candor, & the thought process. My husband and I went through this 25 years ago. Only we never ended up buying another boat. (Lots of other factors - health, money, new hobbies.) But I don't think we even realized our own process until seeing yours, so extra thanks. That Windelo 50 is looking more and more intriguing, but I'd like to see how well they're made. I love following your journey & seeing where the path takes you. And if Nick needs another appointment with the therapist, make sure to share when the doctor is in. 😂
@gerritgovaerts8443
@gerritgovaerts8443 3 ай бұрын
Your pyramid with brands ranked according to performance is pretty accurate . Did miss the DazCats .
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Missed a lot of boats, but eyesight is fading a bit....small fonts....lol
@johnthompson3480
@johnthompson3480 3 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this one. I'm with you on the comfort aspect, it is much more important to be comfortable than going fast.
@enriquecordovanovion6069
@enriquecordovanovion6069 3 ай бұрын
Great video. Honest and with excellent insights. Thanks
@johnmayer3433
@johnmayer3433 2 ай бұрын
Very hilarious yet informative episode. Thank you.
@evanlewis5347
@evanlewis5347 3 ай бұрын
That was a great video, I definitely learned a few things for our own sailing journey going forward.
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Glad to be of some value. Thank you!
@hathaway5724
@hathaway5724 3 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you! Now I can decide my next boat based on what you find :))
@ChrisRoeder
@ChrisRoeder 3 ай бұрын
Really well done. Nice video. Honest realizations too!
@sailingtelaru
@sailingtelaru 2 ай бұрын
We enjoyed the honest feedback presented in this way after the journey they've been on recently.
@dianegriffith3006
@dianegriffith3006 3 ай бұрын
Back to Clarity 2…😀what a great video. So much info.. very good you guys. Hope you’ve got your eyes set for your future boat. Looking forward to future news!
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
We are. There have been five boats we've considered since getting off Moonshot. There are hilarious stories with each, but we are sparing you all the drama. We'll get a boat, but not out of desperation.
@Moonfish
@Moonfish 3 ай бұрын
Great video. I had a performance 2015 46ft mono for 3 years, Med, Caribbean, East Coast USA - I remember great upwind sailing throughout the voyage and benefit of good down furler asymetric 180 sq m. Couple 90% of time and were lucky survived no major mishap - 30 knot squall damaged code zero when did bad furl on way to Bermuda. But when BIG sails go wrong need crew (Vagabonde losing staysail tack/ your Outremer voyage). We like performance so going more Cat 42 - 45ft (12.5m) - KISS, but with daggerboards! key light boat for smaller sails so easier sail handling for when we furl badly!!! Outremer 45 / Dazcat / Schionning / OC42 / Catana 42/431 (heavier). Hope you get your boat soon.................
@mm78704
@mm78704 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video. I recently came across your channel and like it. I've only watched a couple KZfaqrs with Outremers and I picked up on some recurring rationalizing of why speed and specialized sails matter, which felt forced. You outlined some good reasons why it doesn't matter and cost is a thing. Good luck on your next boat decisions.
@1sheinz
@1sheinz 3 ай бұрын
This had TOO BE THE BEST PRODUCTION I have watched. So entertaining and fun too watch , and informing and light hearted. THANK YOU AND CHEERS AND FAIR WINDS Steve h ❤
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Steve. Appreciate that!
@Zephyr653
@Zephyr653 3 ай бұрын
Great life lessons in this episode, really appreciate the content. Time is your friend with regard to buying. Prices are going to soften materially as the consumer taps out. Cheers!
@evinwhiteson4902
@evinwhiteson4902 3 ай бұрын
This is youre best yet. Full of practical experience that will pop the bubble. For me a 20 year old oyster 62 sounds good to me. But thats me
@mauriceibanez5208
@mauriceibanez5208 3 ай бұрын
Megan and Nick; this was a GREAT episode of your saga ! I enjoyed it mostly; fantastic idea and great acting ;-) Keep it on like this.
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! Will do!
@tracyrheuark41
@tracyrheuark41 3 ай бұрын
You two are so fun to watch. Loved the video!
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!!
@JK-wp1om
@JK-wp1om 3 ай бұрын
Great video guys love the edit. Keep sharing your thoughts and knowledge you really nailed it talking about first time buyers biting off more than they can chew with a performance boat. Perhaps they are being influenced in the wrong direction by (KZfaq/trends/bad agents/lack of experience) Perfect comparison to aviation that only a pilot could understand. ❤
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
I think so. This is a powerful medium. Influencers influence!
@rphardy1924
@rphardy1924 3 ай бұрын
So interesting! And Dr Megan ❤ she’s the best. Always has great insight 😊
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Thank you my friend ❤️❤️❤️
@AndrewMoizer
@AndrewMoizer 3 ай бұрын
Very interesting getting to tag along on your journey (that I'm sure has taken a long longer and with so many turns you never could have predicted/expected). This episode really brings home that predicting the critical features required for any (even fairly) new product is exceedingly difficult without (extensive) real world experience. This is something I learned the hard way managing SW development. Even experienced users often got it wrong, and generally the "must have" list was a lot longer than what turned out to be the case. I think your fitting the boat and crew is a great observation too. I have never sailed on a 50+' boat, but it sure seems that getting up to that size a lot of the components just get awful big (and expensive). The up the mast pictures from the O55 really brought that home for me. Too big (perhaps) for (most) cruising couples. Also interesting on dagger boards. Most of the time on sailing videos they do seem to be raised anyway. Brings to mind the old Thames Barge skipper adage I remember my Dad saying "if I were a gentleman, which I ain't, I wouldn't sail to windward, no not never". Perhaps the biggest benefit I see for me, is the shoal draft that lets you sneak into more 'interesting' spots. But is the difference between 2' and 4' draft a sufficient enabler for global cruising grounds? I don't have the experience to know and I guess it's something that really depends on the crew priorities. I keep coming back to long and simple being the sweet spot for sailing. I'm not sure any of the manufacturers really figure this market is worth addressing, probably with good reason. Of all the boats you've been on, perhaps the Looping 45 (was it) best fits the bill. It would be in the top tier of any of my lists. It will be interesting to see where you end up, and then how things shape up when you start world cruising. Thanks for offering the glimpse you do.
@jeffsallus8406
@jeffsallus8406 3 ай бұрын
Great information as someone who is looking for my first Cat this really gave me food for thought
@CraigOverend
@CraigOverend 2 ай бұрын
Still waiting for the next episode where you've bought a cat, adopted a pet cat, are patting said cat while plotting world domination dressed in cat onesies.
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 2 ай бұрын
lol
@jessicabollinger6289
@jessicabollinger6289 3 ай бұрын
Love this. It IS about just being on the water. Love you all. Very creative!
@sailingtelaru
@sailingtelaru 2 ай бұрын
We couldn't agree more!
@TheBrandonForrest
@TheBrandonForrest 3 ай бұрын
Spot on! The crew must be happy and healthy onboard and that starts with good seamanship and boat handling skills. The right boat is better than the fastest boat. And a “production” cat can be the right boat! In fact, not all production cats are slow and heavy and with the right sailors and a “complete” set of sails you can go “fast” but the getting there isn’t to be missed out on! You’ll find the right boat and I’m glad you are still enjoying the adventure along the way!
@GregoryStrauss-tk7pe
@GregoryStrauss-tk7pe 3 ай бұрын
What an awesome eye opening and comical video to boot. 5 Stars 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
@jodymooney255
@jodymooney255 3 ай бұрын
Ok, this will be forwarded for the best YT of 2024! Great job guys and so funny! ❤
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Thanks. We get a good chuckle, glad you do
@donaldbrown9437
@donaldbrown9437 3 ай бұрын
Great summary of experience of performance boats! Hope you find a great boat that meets your needs!😊
@chesterbuckenmaieriii1547
@chesterbuckenmaieriii1547 3 ай бұрын
This was excellent, thank you.
@mckenziesonthemove807
@mckenziesonthemove807 3 ай бұрын
One of the best produced videos hands down….. amazing episode great job guys
@TheOKellys
@TheOKellys 3 ай бұрын
Well thank-y! A lot of work on this one in the edit....but so much fun to make.
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