now then - that is clever thinking mate - I really like that - clever combination of two seemingly disparate things into one new device - thank you for inspiring me

awesome to hear mate because to be honest that is my main point

very nice mate - I agree there lol

interesting

If you have an impeller and generator each end feeding a battery bank, then use a level sensor to divert some power to a small motor to flip it.

Maybe it could be done with a floater somehow, I looked into this thinking of building and actually fountain. But it seems like it's going to be to hard to reset in practical use but it sure would be nice for ambient noice in the garden 👍

cheers mate

Cool idea! - you should try and build it mate

Scratch that I just realized its the bottom chamber that creates the pressure for the fountain sorry

cheers mate - I honestly don't know - but when asked a question I don't know it always inspires me to find out - so that's what I am going to do - cheers mate

lol - very very funny mate - awesome lol

it was a bit of fun mate and I enjoyed doing it - personally I think this would make an awesome product as a sci toy

@@ThinkingandTinkering I had so much fun seeing it, Indeed you must have had more fun making it sir its awesome. My battery works will start soon am just waiting for the batteries to arrive, due to the Pandemic all goes around slow but my guy seems is more slower to send the Batteries

cheers mate

cheers mate

don't forget I also add the tape - but on this one those jars are acrylic so I used an acrylic glue

There is no reason why not.. maybe someone could do the calculations about pressure/density. Actually you could make a fountain with Gallium and oil instead of air.

could be

You'd have to redesign things so that the upwards side of the wheel was transferring water from a position farther from the hub to a position closer to the hub and reverse that on the downward side of the wheel: move water from a position closer to the hub to a position farther from the hub

I have my own stuff too mate - but nice comment and hopefully it will inspire someone to try

I don't know mate - worth a try though - this was four plastic jars and a little time - you could do it with 4 soda bottles - fancy giving it a go?

The water flows down, meaning the bottom will always be heavier when the stored energy has been expended. It takes energy to lift the heavy lower part of the device up above the rest if you use that motor pivot idea. If you move the pivot closer to the heavy bottom every time you flip it, then you still need to move it up to allow the top section to swing clear of the supporting structure. The best you are likely to get is a cool robotics toy! Now if you want to mess around with 'brand new' possibly wacky physics, then niobium, and extremely dense metal superconductors at high voltage and low temperature (with radiation shielding) are your best bet. You might be able to finally tell us if they deflect gravitons or do something weird with inertia like all the pseudo-science papers seem to claim! The boundaries of scientific progress rely on doers with a nack for experimentation! P.S. It may help to anneal the metals to get a single crystal, versus maybe cooling thin sheets with liquid nitrogen to get amorphous metallic crystal structures, or somewhere in between (using tempering or normal cooling). Even though the metal is not at its superconducting temperature (where electrons flow all the way through), there can be pockets of superconductivity that spawn and grab onto the famous cooper pairs, possibly giving strange effects. Some papers even claim that spinning these metals rapidly at cold temperatures can have strange effects on the measured mass of objects above or below them, or the measure of composite electrons that form cooper pairs (Called the Tate Anomaly). I know it sounds strange, but I am upset at the scientific community (and remain skeptical) for choosing not to publish the paper on the reversal of aging using 3 of the 4 Tamanaka factors (OSK with a programmable on-off switch). If that is considered too much information by popular vote of the controlling class, then other topics can, too.

it already is mate - you can think of the water - or the air - as the piston being moved - now if we link that to an external link we might have a heat engine

nice

remember to get the seals right mate - it depends on them

@@ThinkingandTinkering Thanks for the heads up Rob!

No

lol - cheers mate

I am wondering if we built a few and put them into a Minto wheel config?

I'm wondering if there's a way to arrange counterweights and locking switches to achieve the same. That is, once the bottom cylinder is full, it unlocks a switch to allow a weight to turn it. As it turns, it lifts an opposing weight. Once upright, the opposing weight is locked into place until the bottom cylinder is full again and unlocks the switch. Process continues to repeat. I'm thinking I'm still missing something, like perhaps an additional counterweight that is lifted by a paddlewheel on a ratcheted gear spun by the falling water that is just enough weight when added to the main counterweight to spin the apparatus when the switch unlocks both. Hope that's clear, I'm still trying to wrap my head around how it could work.

@@ThinkingandTinkering Ooooh.. I just looked up "Minto Wheel"... that look quite promising!!! Why do I get the feeling that's the next video we'll be watching? 😸😸😸

@@NorthernKitty am I that transparent lol

it might be worth looking at Minto wheels mate

@@ThinkingandTinkering how large can you make a 4 tier heron's fountain? If you go too big will the water's weight be too great for the air pressure? If you could go large enough to move enough water to spin a small turbine next to each fountain and the 2 middle containers were obtuse L shaped (probably around 135°) aiming in opposite directions, when the top middle was half empty it would be one sided heavy and if your generating a good amount of energy from the turbines you can use only a little bit of electricity to spin the 4 tiers by a motor hopefully using a lot less energy than your creating. I guess if you stuck the whole project in thin oil you'd need even less power to a motor to spin the 4 tiers. Using a compressed gas would move the water faster air and keep the generators cooler too. Since it would be a closed system the motor to spin could just be timed to be most efficient.

I don't know mate - to be honest I think no - but that could just be my prejudice showing

I don't think it would turn itself on a pivot without an external source of energy, but if I have your idea correct, you would be able to turn it easily by hand on a pivot. In my mind, I see two of these, opposite each other on a hub with bearings. Turn it and both would work at the same time. Turn it again, and both would start again.

that is spot on one of my plans mate

that would be cool

Now you are tethering on the verge of the idea of a real perpetual motion machine. Knowing RObert, he will likely try this crazy idea, be backwith a 5 minute video to show how that would work (or Not). RObert has really captured our attention. I just love the guy.

It can’t as the increasing weight would be in the lower half......I had the same thought 👍

interesting mate - I wonder

cheers mate

Very cool indeed you could also run that circuit and more from like I suggested a micro turbine in just 1 of the chambers to a ultra capacitor made with your ink no battery needed . The foundation acting like a dinamo for the motor to turn it

maybe a lot switch in cylinder 2 and 3 to control the timing?

That would work perfectly

I already know what you are on about mate but the post is awesome and I count it as a share to everyone else - cheers

It would be the same principle of using ball bearings to to the same thing... i can't remember the name of that device.. but it too is not true perpetual. It has also been tried with water in the tubes. Granted your idea is a bit different because it would take longer to transfer the weight. Not a bad idea but also it would be extremely hard to keep it from balancing out with such a slow transfer.

as much as an hourglass is a simplified battery. if you time it right, yes

@Adam Richard yes, but why add all the compexity? couldn't you add a turbine into a water-filled hourglass too?

Because it’s groovy dude.

pretty much - but it has potential to do somethings inn y eyes that you couldn't do with an hourglass

well there are a couple of reasons - one is just the fun and this would be a great sci toy - if you like to look at it this way an hour glass just pours down this pours up - apparently - the other reason is - it is a pump and pumps can do all kinds of things an hour glass can't

I think that is an awesome idea mate - it will make a great sci toy for sure - if you narrow the outlet nozzle the stream is. much more visually impressive

@@ThinkingandTinkering Thanks. I will do that.

go for it

lol - cheers mate

yes mate I have

@@ThinkingandTinkering I thought it was interesting because I'm doing an Aircrete pour around my house and my it got me thinking about maybe trying to make some sort of Aircrete/ activated carbon super cap?

@@HergerTheJoyous If you grind the activated carbon into a nanopowder (and don't breathe it in), add some nanopowder ferrite (toner) and some nanopowder aluminum (can explode), you can adsorb electromagnetic energy (gets turned into heat by flipping the plasmons or something). Full wave rectifiers are one way to convert ~90% of the energy hitting your walls into electricity, using two half-wave dipole antennas and a rectifier diode setup. Some antenna shapes respond to wideband frequencies, and some advanced setups can handle any polarization or direction. This can be considered free energy, just less than sunlight provides. You might get a couple hundred watts from your walls depending on how close you live to towers, and the best part is you will live healthier and that energy would have just bounced around and created signal noise if you hadn't used it.

Glad you liked it!

That would be cool, but unfortunately it would require some external force. Notice how most of the water ends up in the bottom half of the cylinder due to gravity!

for sure mate and I love that idea

yes probably after all we input energy on turning it and extracting energy would slow or stop it I would think

To add to that, Your pump that you wanted to add could actually power the pump that would be turned on and off by the float contact switch. WOW, and just like that we have created a lot of moving parts but we wouldn't have to ever flip it again and it would run all on it's own.

I like that mate - I think that would make the water kind of a liquid piston?

@@ThinkingandTinkering I believe with the combination of your pump powering a small fish tank type of pump or household small pond pump, we could have a perpetual motion type ordeal going on. But if we added some more of your power pumps into the mix then we could get some extra energy to use to maybe charge a phone or something while we sit in the garden listening to the water run from the fountain. Just brilliant mate, Love it. You know I believe if this was a even bigger system of water containers, you could actually get some big volts out of this thing. Kind of like making your own river in a jug, a "hydro piston \ hydro river \ hydro power plant" All in in one. Heck you got me wanting to build a super sized one now just to see how much extra power one could generate. Kind of like a free energy type device per say if there was a thing called free energy. Now I'm thinking how could we add more water when it gets low and the answer I guess would be to leave the top open to better see and hear the fountain and so that rain water could refill it. hmmm this thing could be a very big step in getting a lot of free energy left over on the back end of the unit and it would be self reliant, heck if we added a small graphene solar panel to help power the pump, we could get a lot of extra energy left over. Tesla invented giant hydro power plants at Niagara falls back in his day, could you imagine something like this built large enough to create that type of power or big enough to power a house even, lol - Now I'm wondering how big would it have to be to have one power a house. hmmm

@@jasonwitt8619 sounds to me like somehow some building to do lol

@@ThinkingandTinkering LOL, Lots mate , cheers

that is interesting - but this isn't really perpetual I do have to input energy - I do that by mechanically flipping it over - I think there might be a possibility of making this into a heat engine - but I wouldn't think you could make it a perpetual device just as a balanced system - but that is really my prejudice showing as opposed to me knowing what I am talking about

@@ThinkingandTinkering I originally saw this way back as a container system. And I thought about making it out of two 55 gallon drums, on a teeter setup ( actual point between the two drums on a frame) in the middle. Then have a rope attached to top drum. Then run that rope threw a pulley on the floor from the top barrel, and pull the barrel rope by hand or crank to flip the barrels. My intent was to use this to move 55 gallons of water uphill. Threw a small quarter inch pipe from the 55 gallon drum. Separately the two barrel system could be reconfigured that the water pushes air to a higher point under pressure instead of water, and a separate check valve or inlet valve would let air into the system as needed. Only one of the two barrels on a two barrel system have to be air sealed. The other barrel can be open to the atmosphere, according to the channel you mentioned in one of his videos. Separately I've been really looking at Trompe systems that move high volume of compressed air. Also water elevators that would move the water back up to the high point. Mr Thessalonian built an excellent version of a trompe/ram system that produced 60 PSI on a 20 ft drop. Then the water elevator could move the water back up to the top. You now have 60 PSI to run through your Tesla turbine for generation. Separately the water elevator can move the water as high up as you think you need it and the water can run a generator before it enters the 20 foot drop to the Trompe/ram system. The water elevator could also possibly push the water with enough pressure to run that little inline turbine you showed in this video series. Mostly just pipe a check valve and a propane tank is all you need for the Trompe/ ram and the water elevator. It's all piping. The Trompe/ RAM does make a little bit of noise, but it's outside along side of your building could be put in a box to muffle the noise. I think you have at least 10 or 20 ft at the roof line of your building? If you're interested in more information I can send you the KZfaq channels that talk about this stuff. Hope what I said was helpful in what you're doing.

yes - I explain that in the video - did you watch the video?

@@ThinkingandTinkering I did, I may have missed that point. Norway stores a lot of energy by using mountain lakes to store water pumped from below. Not all terrains support that but there are many that can and do. Thanks.

@@jagardina no worries mate - I am a fan of pumped hydro as it happens I know the efficiency in terms of energy is low and Capex is high but once up and running opex is low and I agree with that - for me it is cost of energy supplied

lol - mine used to say that too and I would reply little pants - little behinds, cheers mate

I am in awe of Colin lol

@@ThinkingandTinkering YUP ! he is seriously cool, as are you.

I forgot to say the connection tube from the bottom of cylinder 2 and 3 needs to be a one way flow valve

lol

yep

lol - indeed - still I like to try and listen at least lol

70 billion? I thought it was 7 billion - I suppose it doesn't really matter - that's a lot of people - but run out of gravity? can that happen? You are are not getting owt for nowt here - the energy in the system is input by you turning it around - like I said in the video

nice lol

that is exactly what it is - it is two of the type from the last vid 'smashed' together

yeah - kind of lol

A sort of 'free energy' machine? You might be onto something there. :D

If the water was filling up the top, maybe, but it's filling up the bottom. But you could maybe add a wind up spring with an escapement timed to release and spin the pivot when the fountain emptied. That would keep it going for awhile.

interesting mate - personally I have my own ideas about this but I like that

yep - it's kind of close to perpetual as we will get I think - but that might be just my prejudice showing there - the barrel drum water pump is a syphon I think

@@ThinkingandTinkering It is a siphon indeed, Robert. Pretty ingenious stuff.

all things link mate - a couple of turns and you get ultra pure - nice one - and it would be fun to watch as It processed - now then - just as I was typing this occurred to me so thanks - here is a possible product - not only as a sci toy - but as a kind of self powered mixer - I think that is interesting and has JVC shopping channel appeal

There's always that one person...

It is perpetual in the sense that if used for a water battery it is both charging and discharging at the same time.

lol - no very true why do think I put perpetual in quote marks and said exactly that in the video? Still it is probably as near as we will get - and did you actually watch the video all the way through?

that is certainly the sense i meant it

@@ThinkingandTinkering I did watch the entire video I have seen other versions with an open top that do not seem to stop