that mf is living less than a normal life, how often you gotta eat cabbage because you cant afford anything else

True!

True!

Why would he blame himself?

true that

Except he isn't, Adachi's misery is of his own making. Rather than live in his own moment and be optimistic, he lives (or rather lived considering he's locked up) a life of complacent complainer. Constantly bitching about how he was "dealt a bad hand" while never trying to make the best of his deck. These mindsets create self fufiled prophecies to those who believe in them, they believe they're stains to society so they become them. Sure Rise is privileged with "fame" in youth, but her entire story shows that it's an empty notoriety. People see her as "Rissette" not her true self, which led to her nearly falling to her own despair before the encounter with the investigation team. Point being, one's fate is within their own perspective. I will say tho, I love Adachi considering he's an amazing portrayal of many people in reality (and has become even more relevant today in the age of people who carry nihilistic mindset online), and it's faults.

Woah, that was long. Gotta excuse me, got pretty bored and just rambled there.

@@grandmasterjayd1184 Check out P4 Arena if you haven't. Adachi atones and admits he was exactly as you describe.

Yeah, no. I’ll be the first to admit that life is hell, and you fight an uphill battle every day trying to make the most of your life. But talent is NOT at all what makes you good in life. You can be talentless as hell, but what carries you higher in life is a burning desire to not quit, to fight against the odds, and to be victorious. Adachi hid away from the truth this whole time and mired in his issues rather than taking the initiative to fix them. And regardless, there is absolutely no justification to “killing because it seemed fun”. You’ve got to be one broken asshole to think that’s any sort of justice, just because you’re “stuck eating cabbage uwu”. That’s not deep. That’s just nihilistic cringe. Adachi’s a cool character though. Really glad he learned his lesson in P4AU.

Yuubi Timberwolf naoto did have at least an okay argument whilst the others didnt

They basically were proving Adachi's point. That they were simply too naive for their own good.

@@anthonydeadman Not only that, but Yosuke, Yukiko and Rise were probably the last people to argue against Adachi's points. Yosuke was so bored from being stuck in Inaba that he entered the TV World mainly for a thrill, Yukiko lamented over her inability to have a better life away from her family's Inn, hoping someone would save her from such a fate, and Rise had the talent and became a Pop Idol, living a life that was far from boring. And somehow, none of them thought it was ironic to debate against Adachi's stance on reality?

@@ceecee6521 They probably were just too distracted by their own emotions and the fact that they were being "Heroes" in this investigation to really care about the ironic aspects of their involvement in this. Which is sad, but that's kids for you. Yosuke though was the worst one of them all in my opinion.

@@anthonydeadman The Investigation Team is the Fool arcana after all.

No, Talent is code word for genetics. The beautiful/athletic people generally have life handed to them. while the betas like adachi get picked on and shit on working 30k a year jobs.

Just speculating but I'm not sure there's one word that properly translates. I expect the original Japanese to contain a word that roughly has both meanings

@@ihatevoyager is this an incel?

@@basedchimera5859 nice argument.

@@ChukuTukku if i needed to make an argument i would. The mentality speaks for itself

They're just as he said children with a kiddish understanding of things

@@xneobloodchaosx7875 you don't need an argument when the other guy is a serial killer. In fact a smarter response to adachi rethoric would have been punching him stright in the face. Look I get why Adachi did it and i think his logic about talent is very sound... but so what? that does not change a thing.

@@Auditor1337 Sometimes we want to know why he is wrong, rather than a hand wave of murder is bad. Seriously, if you can't say why someone's reasons are wrong, then it's unconvincing as shit. Why aren't there more non-murderous Adachi's then?

@@popopop984 I don't know maybe it's god, maybe it's my fault. You want me to explain why Adachi killing women is wrong? I'd rather not, I don't want to. You wanna think about it? that's cool. I still stand by my other comment.

@@popopop984 EVERYONE who doesn't murder is a non-murderous Adachi. His philosophy is nothing more than "Hey, there are a few vague but maybe partially true philosophical points about why life is hard so... Let's kill people!" A doesn't connect to B at all, so there's nothing to disprove.

+orange ninjaguy Cartman: BUT MEEEEEEEEMMMMM

orange ninjaguy The point isn't that Adachi is wrong. The point is that there's more to life than his narrow point of view. His tragic backstory doesn't give him the right to kill 2 women or unleash chaos in Inaba. He's literally crying because he didn't have his way, but decides to close himself instead of bonding with people to heal his emotional scars. Instead of looking for emotional healing from people who cared for him, like Dojima's family, he just decides to drown himself in angst and think "oh, the world is so useless, the world owes me"

Don Feik He didn't kill the hoes their shadows did...plus if u had the ability like adachis and ur bored shtless wouldn't u want to have "fun" with it? I mean not put people in there but still

AlmightySSJ Productions you can say is suicide but he did put them in there well one of them in there knowing that their died other one he put in there the first time he didn't know that they died until it happened. But why do agree with that this world is bulshit because you know why every year so someone to be God comes around because humidity wants to die or something isn't that right nex. Hell the world did die Persona 2 because of humanity. Seriously it's every three years or so I will get tired of everybody

Because it's not? Sure his observations are true but throwing a tantrum isn't the big brain move you think it is

Samson B LOL! Yes evil Sonic go! XD

Same for me. :)

Samson B Of course Nohrian scum would side with him. But that makes me a hypocrite, I do to.

Adachi actions are justified, he is just broken person that had too much for his mind to bare. He is not evil just broken. It is for the main characters to judge him, even though they didn't do anything to help him. What is more, they had their own outburst that could have killed people. But thats how life is, nobody is perfectly good, nobody is perfectly bad. People resort to hypocrisy because admiting to our own flaws can seriously break our minds. If they admited to themself that they are at fault not him, they might not have bared it and could go crazy like him.

@@jacek107ify "Adachi actions are justified" He murdered a high school girl because she wouldn't fuck him.

You summ it up perfectly. It's not about him being "right" or "wrong", it's about what makes sense from his perspective. And denying that such a perspective exists is exactly what he rages about, since that's exactly the carefree mindset that ignores the world around it he despises so much. Adachi truly is a great villain. I kinda hate how he gets his "redemption" in the Arena games. Having a nihilistic character that actually had some layers of depth greatly worked in the games favor.

Johan Laeon Well of course nobody is born evil. That doesn't excuse his actions. I don't care if he was true to himself he is still a shitty person. I am a adult and none of the adults that I know whine like Adachi. Ironically he is more childish than the protagonists despite being older than them. Adachi sounds like a whiny angsty teenager to me. Rather than try to improve himself, he wallows in self pity. Newsflash guys, the world owes us nothing and there are people who have it much worse than Adachi and many of those people don't wallow in self pity.

0816 M3RC You were doing so well until you said “I don’t care if he was true to himself he is still a shitty person.” Allow me to provide you an example of what it must feel like for Adachi. Imagine you and another person have been working at a company for years. You both have started working there around the same time and you do the exact same job. Unlike your coworker, who spends most of the time on their phone or slacking off, you work diligently to provide the very best quality work you could possibly perform with 110% effort. You never take a personal day, even if you’re sick, and usually cover the shifts of other coworkers when they’re gone. You don’t cause trouble, you never cut corners and you do everything the right way. You overhear talks of a promotion and how you are a potential candidate for it, so you make sure to work even harder. But in the end, the coworker that’s constantly slacking off gets the promotion instead. Now take that example and apply it to almost any situation you can think of when you were a kid such as when your brother got a toy and you didn’t or when you raise your hand to answer a question and the teacher calls on you, but some random kid shouts out the answer. Nobody likes failure, I think we can all agree on that. Some people handle it differently than others; agree on that too. But in Adachi’s case, it isn’t some ordinary constant cycle of failure, it’s literally surpassing your limits and working even harder than most people around you and still being unable to get ahead in life. It’s not possessing the talents to succeed so you’re forced to work twice, three, four times as hard to make up for it, but it’s still not enough for people to acknowledge you and reward you with some recognition from the world. No matter what you do, no matter how much you try, you will never be able to have what other people have and make it through life on something you’re good at because the world will always only care about those with talent. In all honesty, Adachi’s beliefs and perspective are practically identical to society in Danganronpa. There are two types of people in the world: those who were born with talent and everyone else. You don’t have a talent? You might as well be a poor person in a world ruled by the rich because you’d be lucky to even be treated the same as trash if you work hard enough. No matter how much a little dog tries, it’ll never become a big dog. No matter how much a penguin flaps its wings, it’ll never soar through the skies. And no matter how hard a person may work for the opportunity of reaching success, if they’re not born with their talent or into a rich family, they’re almost certainly doomed to fail. There is no “instead of improving himself, he chose to do this,” there is no improving because it would never be enough. That’s the reality of our society. “The world owes us nothing.” While that sentiment is true, that’s the honest equivalent of saying a criminal shouldn’t be allowed a defense. The court doesn’t owe anyone a defense, but it allows it so that criminals who have been wrongfully accused can have a chance at proving themselves to be innocent. So why can’t the world give us a chance to prove that we’re actually worth something instead of randomly cutting us down in favor of certain people? Newsflash: Equality of any kind is, by nature, a contradiction as there is NO SUCH THING in the eyes of the universe. Where one person succeeds, another fails. That’s the honest truth. “There are people who have it much worse than Adachi and many of those people don’t wallow in self-pity.” What makes you think what he’s experiencing is self-pity? To me, it seems more like frustration with the world and the way it operates to favor certain people over other. He understands more than anyone that he has put forth every ounce of effort he could muster into his work and the world continues to punish him for it. It’s a proven concept: Good people trying to do the right thing get punished more than the bad people who will do anything to survive. I’ll be honest. It’s pretty annoying when someone writes off someone as in-depth and complex as Adachi was as some angsty, whiny teenager, especially if they played the series or watched the show or even watched this video. It’s just another example of how when someone doesn’t understand something, they write it off as something else like it’s meaningless, the main idea behind it completely going over their heads. That’s entirely like disregarding all the hard work a person put into making something amazing with a “He’s so edgy and whiny” and I think it’s naive to think that way, to say the very least.

@@MoreImbaThanYou is that Kuja in profile pic

Nah, Adachi is pretty messed up. Talent or not, he went and decided to start killing people for fun, rather than trying to change his situation in life. If you can’t fight an uphill battle so much that you gotta yeet people to hell, maybe you weren’t cut out for the real world, soz Adachi. I agree with you though that it’s a pretty strong message. Atlus never slacks in that department, clearly. That’s also what I love about the Persona series!

@@aggressivepianonoises813 he IS a competent person. It just took him acquiring that Persona power from Izanami to realize how badly constructed this world is regarding rewards & effort. Meanwhile, teenagers who have yet to leave high school are deadass telling him what's what and really getting ideas on bringing "justice" to Adachi. Adachi has spent 10 years after high school stuck in the boonies. The two chances of starting a relationship ended lousy because they are brainless gold diggers. In Persona 5, its a cut & dry case with the Phantom Thieves beating Kamoshida, Madarame, Kaneshiro, Okumura, Sae Nijima & Shido because these guys brought misfortune on many people.

If any of us had the chance, would you help him?

@@pegmay7209 I'm in a not-so-pleasant spot myself. If I was a real wealthy guy who had money coming in from different places, I'll gladly assist him since I can relate. But with the way things are, and how institutions (schools, the natural design of Capitalism and work) are falsely made, I gotta keep to myself for the time being. I'm in my 20s too and so its the wrong time for me to help some dude out right now. .....If I was an old man like 85 who is also rich, I can spend time helping some guys out just like the way I do with my video games.

Panoz198andRedmorgan it doesnt just because youre bored or life didnt give you what you expected doesnt allow you to kill people

same here. in fact everytime he speaks here it just reminds me of hajime.

I think it's to really reinforce Adachi's point that they're dumb kids. He gives them a long list of reasons for why things are bad gives, admittedly personal and anecdotal, evidence for this. They respond with "no though! You're wrong because... I have a better Persona!" Imagine if this was an entirely speech based debate. The team would get metaphorically wiped the floor with.

+Ethan Stansmore So basically modern human reactions to any contradictory idea or thought that would shake their special snowflake opinions?

+cronnoponno But that's the whole point. That's what the whole game is about. Adachi isn't wrong, and the game acknowledges that fact. Life is unjust, and it brings people down just because. Adachi is a victim of circumstances, he is the reversed Fool. He represents coming to term with reality as an adult. He represents the cruel reality the cast faces when they are coming to adulthood. Even in the anime, at the last episode, Yu straight out admits that given the chance, he will toss out reality out the window for a blissful illusion. That's what makes the game so genius. The enemies the cast faces, are milestones in coming to maturity.

+cronnoponno In anime series Yu actually understood Adachi, to the point he could not force himself to stop him at first. He understood the pain he felt and the fact that it is not fair that he managed to lead a happy life following social norms, wile Adachi did not.

Adachi is a god damn socipath, he killed two woman because they wouldn't fuck with him. He is no victim of the circunstances, if he wanted sucess in life he should've worked hard to get it, not give up and put all the blame in the society like a spoiled kid.

Yeah but the thing is that there was also 6 disappearances

What about moroka?

comparatively, 1.5 million people die of starvation in that same amount of time

but a murder is a murder

those deaths were entirely preventable though. it's not that two people died in the last six months, it's two *extra* people died in the last six months

He voices Hajime in Dr2.

@@brandondantonio6670 wait whattt

@@neadle2342 Same voice actor

@@brandondantonio6670 same for Yu

if i had a nickel for every time JYB voice the protagonist and the antagonist in the same game, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

Maybe because he's throwing a tantrum as Yukiko said? They're not obligated to humour him in a debate when he's trying to destroy the world. People who defend Adachi are so weird.

@@mikei6605 You probably defend the Phantom Thieves for forcibly changing someone's mind to confess their crimes lmfao, they are hypocrites just like you

@@goldengloves7549 the difference between the phantom thieves and adachi is that the phantom thieves arent serial killers who dont care about the world. both the phantom thieves and adachi had to deal with some messed up events in their life, but the phantom thieves really had no other choice than to change the hearts of those who needed to see the truth in order to prove their innocence and to save those who were under the influence of those whose hearts they changed. hell, the phantom thieves even questioned their methods all the time until the bad guy they targeted did some heavy stuff that forces the phantom thieves to act. whereas adachi always had a choice when he got his power, and chose to kill because he couldnt have his way. when the phantom thieves changed hearts, people actually were in support of their actions. not one person supported adachi in his killing spree. so for you to compare the phantom thieves to adachi is, in my opinion, really idiotic and shortsighted.

@@goldengloves7549 Are you seriously comparing the phantom thieves and adachi? The only reason they pulled off all those heists was because there was literally no one else stop the palace rulers from ruining other people’s lives there was literally a full blown CONSPIRACY in the legal and political systems. And even in the end they acknowledged that they have to let mankind face it’s problems on it’s own because they were causing society to just rely on the phantom thieves to fix their problems for them. Adachi literally murdered 2 people because they rejected his advances on them. He indirectly almost murdered more people if the investigation team didn’t step in and save them and stop namatame. He literally just did it for kicks and for his nihilistic worldview that has some good points but at the end of the day is just him refusing to try and improved his situation and just having a tantrum.

Ooh I love this! Brilliant explanation

>ignores his suffering lol lmao even. He's got a cozy job in the boonies with very little going on, and he's even free to procrastinate whenever he wants. He can support himself, doesn't really want for anything, and yet he's "suffering" because he's not the president of the country or something. Maybe he should take some time to visit a soup kitchen or shelter and see just how blessed he really is.

@@Idasukimase He doesn't live cushy at all, I would eventually go insane if the only thing I could afford to eat is just Cabbage, have a hard-ass co-worker like Dojima and have almost nothing to do in the countryside.

@@Bleeperblopper497 Perhaps take a look at a homeless shelter or people who live in Section 8 housing before you take what you have for granted. Adachi isn't malnourished or even poor. And Dojima is only hard on him because Adachi doesn't take his job seriously, which he has admitted. How do you expect someone to respect you and treat you like an adult if you don't act like one yourself?

​​​​@@Idasukimase probably too late to this conversation but I don't think you understand the thought process of someone like adachi. It's not about where you live or how ""bad"" your life is. As someone who has a similar experience, it is rather the small things. Its the boredom with the feeling and despair that nothing will ever change. As well as your outlook on the world. He has a negative outlook which makes everything negative when it's at his extreme. Especially when he listened to his parents and for-went connections to get a position that was almost just as quickly taken from him. He probably started to ask himself why any of it even matters. That nothing will ever change. ""What did I do to deserve this??"" As for me mental illness also has a big bad as to the severity (falling behind, loss of opportunity, failure to meet society expectations...even if you can it's harder than it otherwise should be) I feel that may also play apart although it's just a headcanon

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Aw. I Hope you have found things in life that make everything worthwhile! It’s been 7 years since you said this so I hope you’re doing swell!!

Especially during coronavirus.

I suppose? he is Hajime after all so he is part of the ultimate despair

Well I think they made Adachi the mad screaming person in the anime because his voice was high and it sounded better

KRaZyxR0FL He has a good voice actor... but it changes the tone of the whole scene, and that's something i can't accept in my adaptations, not in extremely plot-important moments at the very least.

" the investigation team screams like a bunch of angered simple minded, self righteous brats" Would you not be angry if you came across the man who killed someone you really cared about (yosuke - saki) and how is condeming the actions of a murder self righteous, especially after admiting he did it for fun. I'm just saying I think the characters emotions are well justified.

mikey hanrahan No, i wouldn't, but that's just me, from your point of view, it's justified, wich is neither wrong nor right, while i think they are annoying, simple minded, self righteous, and lack emotional control, wich is neither wrong nor right, we simply have different points of view.

nicosisX You need help. Your defending a sexist and a psychopath. Obviously the kids are gonna be angry when facing the person who took their loved one away.

But the fact is Adachi admitted kill for fun, no matter what he's saying or how's bad his past, he's still a murder need to be justified

the adult in question: I killed people because the world is shit, they definetely deserved it

Alex Samsara Adachi's backstory, what little we have of it, doesn't sound that tragic.

@@SonicMegaKing Well, his backstory consists of him being isolated in school due to his parents forcing him to study thoughout his life (and maybe that his parents drive away people he can socialize with so he focuses on his studies more), so he doesn't have anyone to lean on. And with him (I think) being the smartest student and then no caring what he says or do, he became this way. Though, yeah, its not a defense for his crimes. Plus he worked hard to get into the police force and rambles about genetic talent which he didn't have. And your group consists of that talent or something handed down to them, (Yosuke), Yukiko, Rise, Kanji, and Naoto. (Mainly Rise and Naoto)

@@willystars2nd Again how is that tragic? There are people that have gone through a hundred times worse than that and they don't become psychopathic cunts.

@@goldengloves7549 I forget the reason why I posted this, but looking back at it. I never said it was tragic, the person I responded to said there was little information on his backstory, so I just took the time to lay out the backstory of Adachi. With slight speculation, I think? That’s it.

it's been 77 years now and you're 34, i hope you've mellowed out and enjoy your life more now.

His logic is sound, but it does not change a thing

yeah bro it was totally justified of him to try to rape a woman and a teenage girl and to instigate the kidnappings of several teenagers because he was lonely, had a rough childhood and didn't feel recognized in life. totally.

@@Newbturgangur865 I think there’s a good middle ground to be found amongst the two sides of this argument. I find that those saying that adachi is making completely rational arguments and the investigation team are just stupid kids are being ultra edgelords. The reason adachi is a great villain is not because his actions are justifiable by any means, because they’re too vile to justify. But it’s because many people can relate to his struggles to some extent. He didn’t have some cinematically cliched tragic backstory. He was just a lonely person who never got to socialize with people or enjoy life, which makes him extremely bitter towards those who have any joy. The reason Adachi developed a very misanthropic and nihilistic view on life because he was tired of the bullshit average people like him have to face all the time. He absolutely hates everything and sees no value in human life, and this causes him to find entertainment in killing and manipulating. He’s horrible, but the reasons behind it are understandable. I feel many people have gone through rough periods in their lives where they’re sick of everything and dissatisfied with life or have nobody who will truly listen to them. The difference is that these people save themselves by finding something to live for. Adachi could not, and it lead to his destruction. All that said though, there’s no point having a logical debate with a psychopathic serial killer. You’ve won just by virtue of being the better people. No amount of logic can make adachi the winner in this situation.

@@kidnameless i actually completely agree with you, it's just, like you said, the hundreds of people trying to make a misanthropic serial killer look good that drive me insane. there's an understanding for his actions but a lot of these people in the comments section go further than that and think he was straight up good. for the record i haven't played royal or some of the older persona games, and i'm currently playing through 3, so i'd say from my experience so far adachi is my favorite villain in the series.

@@Newbturgangur865 just because someone sympathizes with adachi isn't the same as thinking adachi's actions were justified

Yup

Oh boo goo he killed 2 people waa waa keep crying at least he hates women

@@burgerking-eg7xc Gender Equality Chad

Angry studio XD

what he says doesn't justify murder and turning everyone into shadows just because he hates the world. As naoto says, he is forcing his ideas to everyone else

@@raidev_ it does he’s a funny man

@@burgerking-eg7xc understandable

Yeah I agree. I didn't have any evidence, but something felt off about him.

same here. i just felt like he is too conveniently everywhere.

A lot of people do relate to his feelings giving the mundane situation you’d find yourself in life when you’re out of school/grown up. But at the same time, most people will continue on. Nobody really wants to die unless they are at their absolute breaking point be it depression from loss or failure or a life changing moments for the worse.

@@specter_of_thestars2500 I just feel like all of the main cast was too harsh on him, I guess he explain himself comically evil but at the same time I'm also at that point of life that I just really sympathized with him saying yeah the real world sucks, talented people just gets everything, if you don't have it go dwindle on your own few remaining life being miserable you would never get anywhere and It's depressing they won't even try to understand his point of view, but I supposed at the end Dojima still actually cares about him him made the situation a lot better for Adachi.

Just like some people that join the army, to legally kill someone.

ok that's funny but Nietzche actually was an active Nihilist and was against passive Nihilism which is what Adachi is