I really try to find the funny part but you know it's... nothing.. out there. Ps. Love the joke. Nothing like that.

As an atheist I'm annoyed that this joke is just a strawman of atheism. Atheists do not believe in a god, therefore they also don't believe in creationism. So to say atheists believe "nothing created everything" is a misrepresentation

it’s funny but the sad part is that people think it’s true 😂

@@MacLaw3084 exactly! Comedy doesn’t have to be 100 percent accurate to be funny, just make a big enough generalization and you’re good!

I found it funny because he calls god nothing. Whenever I have a debate about this I always ask. If God made everything then what is God itself made from? It would have to be nothing logically because then he didn’t make everything. Extremely funny way to prove my point.

I thought the B was unnecessary until I started talking to these soft atheist arguments and realized they can't defend their chaotic origin story, they are little Bs.

​@@irishdruidess7391every atheist you've talked to has told you what they believe and you insist on lying instead. I've told you I don't believe we know the origins of the universe and life and you REPEATEDLY insisted that what I actually believed was chaos and nothing creating everything. You're an embarrassment to theists that actually can have an honest and respectful conversation

@@SevenPr1me Yes, atheism is a belief system, thanks for admitting it. One without an objective criterion in which to evaluate evidence.

@@irishdruidess7391 If you check out the other threads here, Seven prime finally admitted his ignorance and that his beliefs have no objective criterion. Good for him, huh?

@@rcmysm9123 Glad you finally admitted that your only objective was to act superior and pretend that you're smarter and wiser. Really shows your true character as a delusional theist

I hope that's a joke, because this would make a terrible argument.

Most atheists I know simply don't know what the state of the universe was before the dig bang. They don't think it's nothing, and they don't think it's a deity made in the image of man. So no it's not a good argument at all.

This argument sucks

​@@GrimAngel01100 Why is it a terrible argument?

​@aimhigh3701 first off, not many people if any, think or believe that the universe came from nothing. 😂 Some of us are content to not know and are comfortable with the idea that perhaps we may never know. But we should keep looking. Also there is no reason to immediately conclude, even if a creator were discovered. That this creator would be one accurately described in any past or existing religion.

Except that evolution has never once claimed to be the "why" it is exclusively the "how." Religious people think it's claiming to explain the origin of life when it never has, and they think that means it's invalid, which it isn't. Religions also can't prove what the "why" is, it's just baseless assertions. I'll take "I don't know" over "It was magical pixies from the gumdrop universe" anytime, because saying you don't know is the truth.

Thw universe doesnt have to have a "reason" for anything Thats looking at it as if it was a human The universe is not a person

@@NottherealLucifer cope

@@eloquitodelaesquina sounds like something a tree would say

@@evanfaust8672 trees dont say either, just like the universe, they are not human

You sound agnostic, as is inevitable when both scientism and monotheism demand too much of your commitment to their ideologies.

Yet, many (from my own experience it’s actually “most”) atheists will mock the idea of a divine creator even though it is absolutely a possibility.

Dude only uninformed atheists believe in “something from nothing”. What is nothing? How can that concept make any sense? When you try to speak for all atheists you encourage misinformation amongst theists, and it’s already hard enough to get them to understand things. “We” atheists do not consider “nothing” as a starting point (you might, but we don’t). There is no atheist view on things. There are individual views and some are shared but not required to be. There is only one definite commonality between atheists; a lack of belief in a god/gods. Anything after that is on a person by person basis.

@@VictusG This atheist is incorrect; it is not an atheist belief that “nothing” was the starting point. That is his personal view. I personally don’t see how it could make sense. But how can prove that a “divine creator” is not even a possibility? I’ve never heard a theist make a rational argument for that.

@@MacLaw3084 Bud, I’ve heard self-proclaimed atheist outright deny the existence of a God and even mock the idea of it my entire life. That is quite literally what an atheist is, someone who disbelieves in the existence of God/Gods. Let’s not act like this is some rare thing. If anything, this is “mainstream.” What many of you describe as “atheism” is actually “agnosticism.” And of course these people cannot prove the idea that God doesn’t exist, that doesn’t stop them from believing this though.

This material is solid gold!

@@gatsbygoodwood2575 trust him to do a spot on John Ritter impersonation ? Hell yes !!

@@williamcook9703 but we can't trust him to make jokes about atheism or science without completely strawmanning both just to make his theism look better.

​@@SevenPr1me You believe in "nothing" without any evidence, we can show you a tree.

@@rcmysm9123 heres the issue. I accept that Trees exist. That is self evident. I've planted trees, I've cut trees down and I've climbed trees many times. However, you've asserted that the existence of these plants is evidence of some supernatural being that created everything. And I'm having a hard time understanding the connection between these very real things that I've experienced and this other thing, the creator, that I've never experienced and have seen no evidence of. So clearly, I must be using the WRONG criteria. So for the sake of helping me understand your point of view, what criterion should I actually use in order to understand that Trees are evidence of a creator?

Nope people are just tired of perpetuating beliefs that are ridiculous.

@@WhiteWolff00See you just proved his point by saying g believing in god is ridiculous.

@@WhiteWolff00You just have a presuppositional bias against belief in the supernatural.

Facts. I am an atheist but I don’t deny the possibility of god(s) existence, just highly doubt it. I’m not afraid to voice my opinion either but I always come correct with the upmost respect. That’s a 2 way street though. The way I see it is having discussions of these sorts are good for everyone. For theist, it could strengthen your faith. If not it’s ok, you can come to the dark side like me. Lol that’s a joke 😂 All about respect brotha

@@Elite_OrthodoxThis is my Dilemma. I do believe the supernatural realm is real but not for the same reason you do. It’s already goes against the natural order of things and it’s beyond our understanding and complexity. I believe the world is a lot older than young earth creationist think it is, by far. And the abrahamic religion or god isn’t the first religion or god introduced to mankind. So the supernatural realm in my opinion has been around a lot longer than your religion. And according to your bible anything supernatural is either an angel or a demon. It can not be a deceased human being. It makes that abundantly clear. I call bullshit on that one lol. There are many other claims from theist and the Bible that are just so absurd it amazes me people don’t question their faith more often. But I realize how much it means to y’all I respect it. If it makes you happy and it’s a driving force for a fulfilling life I’m all for it. Because that’s what live should be. It does not matter how you find it, only that you do.

LOL

based

Huh?

I don't believe in any miracle. And no, the big bang is not a miracle. It's not when everything "magically appeared." The matter that expanded (/is still expanding) from the big bang existed before it. Why did it exist? Where did it come from? I don't know. But I never claimed it miraculously appeared.

@@elhartzer1639They’re referring to the Big Bang.

@@Programmable_Rook Their argument is ignorance, i see.

@@elhartzer1639 It’s why religion exists in the first place. Ignorance and a longing for meaning that some can’t find otherwise.

Yeah both try to answer a question no evidence ever asked.

@@snap-off5383luckily nobody says nothing created everything, except of course, christians

@@beanbean3535 Yeah, the MIND of humans can IMAGINE a nothing before something, but we've never obtained or found any evidence to suggest a need to explain a something from nothing. Similar to how the human mind can IMAGINE being able to have made a different decision in the past and tell itself it therefore has "free will" but we've never found any evidence to suggest our brains are capable of breaking the laws of physics like that.

@@beanbean3535 what do atheists believe about how existence got here then? I always thought they’d think nothing. Not having an opinion is fine but, if you give it thought nothing is probably the least likely theory. It’d make more sense if it was god or another reality/existence branched off or what we are is apart of something else.

@@paulbrown9328 the problem with your question is that atheists don’t automatically believe anything in common. All being an atheist means is that the person doesn’t believe in a god, so “atheists” don’t believe in anything inherently. Nobody though, is saying that the universe came from nothing. That’s a really common strawman used to undermine atheists. Most atheists say that they don’t know, which is the only intellectually honest answer

😂😂 as a on believer I agree 👍

Clever perhaps, but no, he only hit the theists. You can't hit atheists with a strawman

I'm wondering how many non-believers you canvassed before making that statement 🤔

​@@GrimAngel01100It isn't a straw man, he said "some believe..." Which is absolutely true.

@@Hatrimn um if you want to be dishonest and pretend he wasn't talking about most atheists and was instead talking about and even further minority of people who think nothing created the universe then sure. But we both know that's not what he meant.

It relies on the assumption that atheists agree that "nothing" created the universe when there is no agreed upon origin of the universe among atheists.

I absolutely can lol

The universe could be eternal, therefore it wouldn’t need a creator

The best religious argument is a strawman of atheism? lol

It doesn't even get past the first level of religious apologetics. It's a simple God of the gaps fallacy as well as the "you too" fallacy. 99% of religious debaters would shake their head at this guy.

God hypothesis. In science, a theory is the resulting conclusion produced after evidence is found and rigorously test and verified

Well if God created something out of nothing that was here before us that means God is not in the same dimension as us then right? So if you saying he created all this from nothing it would obviously mean their was nothing in our dimension before God created it. 🤯

@@SevenPr1me If he argues are you going to misrepresent, ignore and then try to delete the thread? Careful you can't delete this thread!

​@@irishdruidess7391address this argument or admit your beliefs are irrational. I deleted that thread because I made this argument and you could only resort to personal attacks, just like what you're still doing. "Faith is an unreliable and irrational utility for determining if something is true" You admitted faith is the primary utility you use for your religious beliefs. Therefore you must admit your beliefs are irrational or address my argument. Throwing a tantrum and avoiding responsibility only makes you look like an immature little girl. Grow up and be a woman.

Cite scriptures then, let's hear it from the Bible. God is a living God in the Bible, life comes from God, life comes from life, in all practical demonstrations!

Are you announcing your own arrival?

@@viracocha nope I’m blessed up 🙏🏽. But I could be announcing your arrival.

No atheist are butthurt, because no atheist ever makes that argument.

@@viracochaObviously not. Why would a butthurt atheist refer to themself as one.😆🤦🏼‍♂️Please get smarter.

@@Pe4nutButterI think he was referring to them being butthurt by the comedians argument. Why would an atheist make the same religious argument as the obviously religious comedian and get butthurt from themself?😂

I haven’t looked, but what did you expect???????????????????

@@DynamicGracer Exactly that. I was just parodying the rest of the comments while stating basic fact.

And now you

I’m laughing at you and only you

@@viracocha Good! I was hoping to make people laugh!

And have those rules last thousands of years, and be the moral bedrock of modern society. God I wish "religion" never started.

Christianity asks for you JUST to believe Jesus died on the cross for you to get into heaven. But to believe with your whole heart. And that's it, you're saved from eternal suffering. That's what God did for us, despite we didn't deserve it. How can you possibly have a beef with such a thing

@@supleksabg1059 it just asks me to believe something with my whole heart on the basis of zero evidence. ??Something to any reasonable person sounds pretty nutty. People rising from the dead, gods impregnating humans, whole seas being parted. This seems like a way to go for you? How come no one is parting the Red Sea these days when it could actually be recorded and proven? This stuff only happens in ancient times. Seems pretty convenient no?

​@@supleksabg1059our hearts pump blood and that's it. Any evidence that heaven is a real place?

@@shaqyardie8105 What's the evidence you are alive at this moment, and you aren't actually dreaming?

Really?

😐

Weak

​@@SevenPr1me No argument by you just ad hominem attacks. You've lost the argument unless you can do better.

@@rcmysm9123 you have asserted that Trees are evidence of a creator but cannot actually engage in a conversation with how you actually reached that conclusion. You have failed to demonstrate that your claim "trees are evidence of a creator" has any logical, scientific or rational merit.

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because the big bang theory was made by a theist. obviously since atheism is just for the sake of being contrary, it would make nothing your magical theory or whatever your satanic temple tells you. Yeah for some reason atheism are satanists now, they literally made a religion they hated.

Or better yet, give the, "I don't know, but I like to believe there's something sfter this existence."

I think you're confusing atheists with agnostics.

​@@thebeatnumber I wouldn't say making a statement that you don't know the answer is a clear indicator of an atheist or an agnostic. I guess to elaborate an agnostic might say, "I don't know but it could be god, there's no way to tell." while an atheist might say, "I don't know what the answer is but I can say with certainty that it isn't god." Either way, still both more likely answers than, "It is 100% god."

​​​@@thebeatnumberno atheists dont believe in a god and but don't deny the possibility or better put dont deny or believe because there's isn't proper evidence to do either, so dont believe without evidence. Agnostic more so means you dont believe particularly in any religion now but believe there is a higher power of some kind. Or they are often combined agnostic-atheist. The terms get kinda mixed all the time so people often say they atheist when Agnostic or reverse

​@@thebeatnumberI'm atheist, I dont believe in any of the religions we made but I dont deny them as false since its unfalsifiable. So I would say its possible there is a higher power but I choose not to believe that til I get more evidence. I have agnostic friend who dont believe any religion we have but say there is forsure some kind of higher power possibly even 1 we have. Thats the difference

yeh... came to say the same... was just wondering how this can be considered funny when it doesnt make sense.

​@@bylescxit's funny to the scientifically illiterate and ignorant theists

No, there are many that put forward that the universe indeed came from nothing. It’s okay to watch some content aside from New Atheist videos my guy. It isn’t 2008 anymore. Nobody cares about how bad Christopher Hitchens owned that fundamentalist preacher in the 90s.

It's not very scientific or convincing

@@NaturalAegyo but it opens up the opportunity for science to find a convincing explanation. Being honest about something you don't know is the first step to discovery. Don't be a fool

This is nothing like George Carlin. This isn't even a clever joke, Pete holms stole Christian pastor strawman rhetoric and made it into a half assed joke that doesn't even make sense

It's really not clever. It's misrepresenting atheism AND science at the same time to make the joke. The big bang was not an explosion out of nothing, energy existed before the big bang. The big bang is also NOT an explanation for the origins of the universe, there is no science yet for that. Furthermore it's creationists that believe Nothing created a God In the beginning there was nothing but a God And then God used magic and incantations to create everything from nothing

how so?

@@MacLaw3084 why not?

For readers, they are two different people

It doesn't sound like genesis at all. Genesis claims the earth existed before the sun and stars existed (basically the first object in the universe) and it also describes the earth forming out of water. This has nothing to do with the big bang

@@SevenPr1me what do you want me to do change history? That's what happened at the birth of the theory. Not everyone including church fathers are young earth creationists. lights were on day one. Some interpret the earth atmosphere changing (transparent) on day 4 so the sun and stars can be visible. Remember after verse one the perspective of the rest of the chapter is from the surface of the earth. It would make sense that the atmosphere would become more transparent rather than translucent after producers like plants and algae as they literal eat CO2 and put oxygen in the air which is much lighter.

​@@SevenPr1me Because the "big bang" isn't biblical, it's a scientific joke that ignorant people now claim as science.

@@rcmysm9123 the big bang is proven science, based on repeatedly tested observations and measurements. What about the CMB, the baryon acoustic oscillation method for measuring distances in space, Hubble's Constant and the red shifting of galaxies do you find UNCONVINCING that the universe is expanding?

Assuming "created" it is the correct language

If you think something created it then you're a creationist. Not an atheist

Was there nothing before the big bang?

​@@taylord1075that is sort of like saying if you believe in God, you're a Catholic.

Lawrence Krauss has a whole book on how "nothing" created everything. Insane claims.

They are worse than liberals today Oh sorry I mean they are the liberals 😂😂 well most of them

You don't like debating over stupid sh*t at parties?

@@roarblast7332 and you really enjoy running away from people cause you know you are clueless

You don’t get invited to any parties 😂

@@viracocha you dont? Sad to hear that.

Yeah, agree. Nothing any man on earth will tell me is to be taken as the truth. Am I a disbeliever, yes. But then I guess God made me this way so he will understand.

This is all cope, you can know God exists, read Thomas Aquinas' 5 proofs.

​@@bromtitus4297 LOL. Picking _just one_ of the over 3000 gods in existence to own/control/enslave you is _your_ cope. Statistically, you most likely picked the wrong god. Effectively, all you're doing is trying to grab the right lottery ticket to gain entry into nirvana/heaven/summerland. But only one of those 3000 lottery tickets is the correct one, if _any._ And even if you _do_ manage to pick the right lottery ticket, you still have to have been a 'good boy' your whole life, and followed their 'rules' perfectly...which is just as unlikely.

​@@pb7491God didn't make you that way. Your free will and choices made you that way

* She's. jk 😉

Yeah just something called a singularity. Something that scientists can't explain see taste touch see and science can't prove 😂

@@OUTDOORS55 again you just show your lack of education. It's actually the Higgs particle. Professor Higgs determined there must be a particle that was the cause for everything, problem was he couldn't prove it. Then they built the Large Hadron Collider, and guess what , there was the very particle that Professor Higgs had talked about decades before. Try reading science, you might actually learn something.

​@@OUTDOORS55your ignorance of science isn't an argument against it

Um no. I'm calling BS

I'd highly recommend researching the historical facts about the bible

You don’t have to be religious to have a relationship with God.

@@xgorexgarcia8555 religion drives you further from God.

​@@kadenzepherand the historical fiction.

@@Daedalus1111 yeah alot it's been dead about the bible that isn't true but and people don't read it for themselves

Anything can be a god. We can worship anything. People worship food, porn, our car, house, our jobs, etc. The question is…how many of those things can bring true peace to our lives? There IS only ONE true GOD.

Because this particular God said so and There're facts that back Him up!

Okay. Which god is it and present the “facts” to back up your position please.

@@tpl0926you can learn about this particular God in the Bible. The facts for you to consider would the history of a group of people called the Jews (the Israelites) and their interactions with the rest of the world.

“I've never heard anyone ever say the universe came from "nothing". I've heard theories about the multiverse, black holes, simulations, etc. Most people just say "I don't know", which is the only reasonable answer.” Look up [Appeal to Incredulity Fallacy] and [Pretended Neutrality Fallacy]. Just because you never heard of a prominent scientist or any one claiming that “SOMETHING” can come from “NOTHING” it does not logically follow that this is not the case. This is a logical fallacy, an appeal to incredulity fallacy!! Furthermore, sorry to break it to you buddy but according to the high priest of “new atheism”, that is according to the prominent scientist Lawrence Krause “NOTHING” can create “SOMETHING” “all the time”!! The irony and the absurdity is that the high priest of “New atheism” Lawrence Krause actually makes a six figure sum selling certainty to strictly reductive materialists, atheists or philosophical naturalists and even mislead the public into believing that…. “Nothing can create something all the time due to the laws of quantum mechanics, and it's - it's fascinatingly interesting.” (Lawrence Krause). I love it when atheists, that is when fatalists and epistemological nihilists either arbitrarily come up with this ludicrous “NOTHING” can create “SOMETHING” argument, defending it until they are blue in the face, or they just totally and utterly deny all knowledge that it even exists as an argument due to the embarrassment that they could be associated with the insanity of believing that “NOTHING” can create “SOMETHING”!! Sorry but it is totally absurd for the strictly reductive materialist, atheist or philosophical naturalist to complain that it is “UNTHINKABLE” for a universal [MIND/CONSCIOUSNESS/THE ACTUAL/THE ONE/MONOTHEISM] to be the ground of everything and then pretend that it is more “THINKABLE” that an “UNTHINKING NOTHING” or even a “UNTHINKING SOMETHING” should accidentally turn itself into everything? They would actually rather believe in MAGIC than believe in the fundamental nature of [MIND/CONSCIOUSNESS/THE ACTUAL/THE ONE/MONOTHEISM]!! That speaks volumes!! Sorry but I’m biased against beliefs that are synonymous with the belief in MAGIC!! I tend to doubt that they are rational!! Do you have actual evidence or not that magic is real? I’ll wait!!

I mean it's not weird really, but it makes sense there was never a beginning or an end, because there couldn't have been for it to make sense. Interesting take.

The Big Bang is horribly flawed as well.

The big bang was created by a belgian catholic priest to prove the universe had a beginning and that beginning had to have a creator to start the process. Before then scientists thought the universe was always there

It is exactly that. The man who created the theory was a Catholic. It is literally the creation theory. The atheists got a hold of it and just took God out

I guess that’s what a nuclear bomb is too then. Except it takes life rather than creating it.

We all know how it happened. It was a Saturday night, and God and his roommate Chugs were arm wrestling

To be fair, I actually like the joke. I think it's refreshing. It's cool to see a comedian probe territory that isn't race, sex, or social dynamics. But it's also material that is structured a bit like an argument, and so you can debate with it and challenge those ideas. What's wrong with doing that?

Also, lol

I honestly didn't catch the joke until I started arguing with you.. so, well done. Lol

😂 -Atheist

I mean jokes are supposed to be funny...

"This is why some comics are absolutely brilliant! They are able to capitalize on the ignorance of everyday people." There, I fixed it for you. Because what Pete Holmes is talking about, is something that isn't a debate in the science community. 'Nothing', in the science community, is more real than any god imagined by men.

@@supersayan6318 Oh thank you for "fixing" me, so many have tried yet fallen short. Speaking of science how well did it fair during the Covid thing? Or gender identification? Or the nutrion pyramid? 🤔

@The-Jokes-on-You he was only pointing out that what the comic said was not truth. God of the gaps is not truth nor science. Ignorant people believe, that what can't be explained is God. Questioning that used to get you killed. But we now know lightning is not God's anger. And many other once heresies are true as well.

😂😂😂

​@@The-Jokes-on-Youjokes on you, science changes as new evidence is uncovered. You're obstinately stuck in bronze age myths and fables

Interesting. A theist that believes in determinism. It means you also believe free will doesn't exist because we are all doing what we are "programmed" to do

😂 That’s bs.

And Ricky makes up his own bs about different beliefs while this guy is saying what delusional athiests actually say 😂😂 The difference is you don't need to lie about athiest belief but Ricky gotta do it with the bible

Hypocrites by there own standards 😂shits funny as he'll to see

@@ClannCholmain ikr? It’s such BS to bully one group and then get butthurt about the very thing that you’re bullying them about. Such thin skin

@@Doc-Holliday1851 what’s the penalty for leaving Christianity?

You don't know what the big bang is lmao

​@@SevenPr1me Neither does science, lol. Some people will believe anything on blind faith.

@@rcmysm9123 you have failed to convince me that a tree is evidence of a creator. You have a nice day

@@SevenPr1me What criterion do you have to reject the evidence in front of you?

@@rcmysm9123 because trees are evidence of Keebler Elves, obviously.

SHHHHHHHHHhhhhh. Don’t let on.

It’s called a joke.

@@smileychess Yeah I’m not criticising the joke part.

How is God "undefinable"? He's ineffable, but so is quantum mechanics.

​@@wakkablockablaw6025all right here is the question you are trying to avoid: how did God do it? Mysterious ways is not an acceptable answer. God did it, didn't answer the question in any meaningful way. Praying to God yields the same results as asking an imaginary friend, or talking to yourself.

@@nicholaspoling9691that’s a good point, but You are asking on how God created the universe. Genesis explains how God did it in a way that the ppl of that time can understand. Now let’s be honest, even with the science we have today we cannot prove how the universe was actually created. It’s an unacceptable answer for you because you are not suppose to be able to understand what and how God operates. Only the why is what’s is important.

@@nicholaspoling9691 I didn't realize you could avoid a question without the question being asked or implied. Ya learn something stupid every day. I take full responsibility for my made-up cowardice. As I just said, God is ineffable. I don't know how he did it. I don't need to know how he did it. He is the most likely answer, in my opinion. No one said "mysterious ways". How is "God did it" not a meaningful answer? That is objectively incorrect. Here is data that debunks that claim. A meta-analytic review of religious or spiritual involvement and social health among cancer patients Religion, spirituality, and physical health in cancer patients: A meta-analysis

​@@Cpt_Beardwolfthe only valid answer is "I don't know how the universe came into being. We're exploring that." Because you can pretend to know by believing in a made up entity. But any other made up entity is exactly as valid. They can't all be right, but they can certainly all be wrong. Modern cosmology doesn't pretend to know how it was all "created". Instead, it describes the history of the universe using evidence gathered through data obtained via technology. The best available information tells us that the universe was very dense at one point, and expanded rapidly, and is still expanding now.

yeah, its not nothing, we don't know

It’s the only smart answer is to know there’s a creator look at how everything is made perfectly to align in the solar system so we can live and how Jupiter takes away most asteroids meteorites and all that away from us. It’s an intelligent creator that made this not out the blue

@@MMM.l no, there are billions of solar systems that are not perfect, it wasn’t made for life, just the ideal conditions for life, with billions of years to settle the chaos that is orbiting the sun, when it’s too hard to fathom we input a God that goes all the way back to the Egyptians with Ra,

What we do know is that the universe didn't create itself, but it was created by a creator. That's basic science

@@meta4282 you do not know that. Nobody knows. And where did God come from? If you say he's eternal with no beginning then you're claiming he didn't come from anything. Another way of saying that is God came from nothing. Can you see the flaws in your logic? The only honest answer is we don't know.

Yeah? What they are saying then? 😅

@@nob1130 Read about the big bang, all material was already there, just compressed. Time and space were starting to exist. As a Deist I can accept that there is a god/gods (behind the big bang) but he never shows up (he doesnt want to be worshipped), he never interferes in this world and he didnt give us rules and moralities (we have to figure out on our own). Life in that sense is an experience rather than a test and after life we ALL go were we came from. What I cant accept is the idea of a god that is "jealous" and wants to be worshipped and punish us if we dont , for that not showing up properly and being a "mystery" isnt enough.

A Universe from Nothing Book by Lawrence M. Krauss "There was nothing around before the Big, Big Bang," British physicist Stephen Hawking said during a TV talk show

@@normelder6624 Didnt Stephen Hawking say that "Asking what came before the Big Bang … would be like asking what lies south of the South Pole." and "Hartle and Hawking derived a formula describing the whole shuttlecock - the so-called “wave function of the universe” that encompasses the entire past, present and future at once - making moot all contemplation of seeds of creation, a creator, or any transition from a time before."

​​@@normelder6624That entire book is about Lawrence describing "nothing" as actually being something, like empty space containing equal parts matter/antimatter with a constant energy density... It's a really stupid premise (I'm an astrophysicist) that wasn't very thought out. Cosmologists are not arguing something came from nothing, not even Krauss in his poorly titled book. I really didn't like his book, it's kind of a boring read, but go check it out if you don't believe me.

Evidence?

Did you mean consciousness? If so, you're in for a huge surprise! 😂 I wish I could see the look on your non-physical face when that happens! 🤣

Zero? If you mean outside of history, archeology, reason, eye witness accounts, experience, observable science, and more that there's zero evidence then you would be correct.

@@IndieThinkerLiterally nothing outside of anecdotal evidence 😂😂😂. Keep dreaming though ✌️

⁠@@IndieThinkerBut just for giggles, which “observable science” is evidence for god? This should be good 😂

@@IndieThinkerNothing to say? Just like your god 🤣🤣🤣

​@@IndieThinkerarcheology doesn't prove the supernatural claims of the Bible. By that reasoning London proved Harry Potter is real because London is referenced in Harry Potter. The belief in a god is not based in reason, science or rationality. It is a faith based position. And there are no eyewitness accounts in the Bible. Every author in the Bible was writing down oral traditions, poems and stories passed down as well as rumors and hearsay (regarding the Jesus character specifically). So you can stop lying please

Lighten up, it's a bit.

no one cares

Your assertion is incorrect. Theists, particularly of Abrahamic faiths, don't believe "God created Himself". We believe that God has always been there.

Someone’s triggered!

​@@BillyBobBeauBensonthe same could be said for the universe. Maybe it was always there. We don't know. But the fact that our universe exists, and we perceive it, Allows us to understand that our universe is real. The same cannot be said for God. There is no real evidence of such a being existing. I do not perceive a God, I've never perceived a God, which leads me to a belief that whatever God you believe in is no more true than the thousands of others dreamt up by humanity to explain something we didn't understand

It almost has a million views…

Nobody is saying the universe came from nothing except for the religious folk

You had to bring up the only example of an atheist with an IQ over 100, well played.

Hitchens is a knob

I miss Ch Hitchens in today's backward world!

Midwits like Hitchens were always reliable for a rhetorical retort.

​@@spicysausage8805dude slays it against the Muslims tho

they do all the time

​@@speedy_gunzalezit's more common to say it always exist. In fact, when you look at the big bang, the implication is that the energy that expanded into the universe was a closed system and by definition was always there as time and space didn't exist.

@@roarblast7332funny thing is that the “big bang” wasn’t observable and only exist in textbooks and the minds of men.

​@speedy_gunzalez it's a common strawman theists make

@@anthonylemanski9032 that is not, strictly speaking, true. We can observe the big bang in the same way a detective can look at a crime scene and infer what most likely happened even though he didn't observe it happening. First of all, we know that galaxies are all expanding away from each other in every direction. That would imply that the universe expanded out of a central point. Also, we can see cosmic background radiation, which shows us the universe in its early stages of formation. So, there is tangible evidence for the big bang. And absolute zero tangible evidence of God.

Yeah, no shit. Because guarantee you've never had a Convo about just a god in general. Always your specific god, which they can actually prove, it wasn't. Solely based on it's contradictions and inconsistencies.

@@GrimAngel01100 looks like we got an over sensitive one here lol you must be who I'm speaking of. And the fact you assume I don't just shows how much of a "genius" you truly are.

@@No_one5888 it's hyperbolic you goober 🤣📚

I dont know. I doubt your God exists. I doubt any God exists. If they did where did they come from "nothing"? If everything has to come from somewhere where did God come from? If God just exists then can't the universe just exist? I don't know the awnser, I seriously doubt anyone else does. But I know lots of people who "think" they do. Nothing more dangerous than someone who "thinks" they know something. Hitler thought he knew something. Those who ordered the crusaids thought they knew something. The guys from 9/11 thought they knew something. The palistines and the isreali think they know something. Those who "know" so much also say alot of things they don't follow themselves. I don't expect much from people who "think" they know things.

@@GrimAngel01100 A Creator is the only logical deduction that has a practical demonstration of being possible! We have simulation of realms to which the creator is not subject to the laws of the simulation. Simulation theory is statistically probable according to experts. Stop buying the faux intellectual stance of God hate, it's a shell game and you don't have a better option!

Saves from what?,

Rejecting an unmoved mover, outside of space and time (categorically different and therefor logical), leaves you in the unenviable position of having to support a philosophy such as materialism, or you are free to reject that material exists at all and go the simulation route or some other nutty position but then you're just regressing first cause.

Wrong mr delusional 😂😂 and its a fking joke He got athiest cult spot on

@georgedonner2115 why do you keep saying categorically different? What do you mean by that?

@@roarblast7332 categorically different than the material world, an outside mover. God is spirit. You might not believe that, but the argument retains intellectual integrity. Nothing, can't be a cause.

Yeah it's called a strawman argument. It's when you misrepresent a person's position and then argue against that as if you've defeated their actual position

use some internet. there are such thing as the "nothing people" but they aren't all atheists. 40% give or take. other positions are that the universe wasn't created, or that time is in a circle, or my least favorite, simulation theory.

In the laws of thermodynamics it states, matter cannot be created or destroyed...... obviously there's a whole bunch of matter...so.......... nature cannot create nature....

That’s the athiest argument pal, get used to it, those are the people who claim to be so smart and superior lmao

@@bruhbruk4568 why are you lying about what we say? We know what we say. Stop putting words in other people's mouth

"I don't know" is a great position for thinking people who are open to possibilities. But that is not the position of atheism. Atheism says that god doesn't exist. To me, Atheism is in its position a belief system/religion.

@ekeub73 depends if your agnostic or not. Saying there isn't a god has a burden of proof, the same as claiming there is. Since there's no evidence of either, the default position is no one knows.

@@ekeub73ya someone who says “I don’t know” is agnostic, not atheist

@@ekeub73 That’s it….. you got it. That is exactly what got me back into being a Christian. I was just so smart thinking I outsmarted the believers, wasn’t gonna fall for what they fell for, nope, not me. Then one day it occurred to me. No matter what I believe, it’s still a BELIEF, one I have to choose to make. And I’ll be honest, there is definitely an emptiness that comes with not believing, an emptiness I don’t feel when believing in god.

​@@joliver81a comforting delusion can have that affect

Nope, just shows you're ignorant.

If the universe exists since an infinite amount of time, then there is no way we could ever come to today. Infinite is never finished

@@OlivierLeroux basically told me you don't know what the big bang is without directly admitting it

@@SevenPr1me my point has nothing to do with understanding the big bang or not. My point is simply this: either the universe had a beginning, and that implies a "uncaused first cause" or it exists since an infinite amount of time. But if it exists since an infinite amount of time, we would have never got to today (because if we did, then it's not an infinite amount time). So we are left with the "uncaused first cause" and then we have to admit that things can happen without any reason or cause, which basically throws away basic logic and makes basically all of science untrustable...

@@OlivierLeroux OK well your ignorance isn't helping your argument. You don't understand what the big bang is do you? Just be honest. If you're too ignorant of something it's okay you don't need to feel bad.

@@SevenPr1me I don't have any issue with saying that I understand the big bang in basic way (like 99% of the population) and unless you are an actual astrophysicist you probably don't understand it a lot better than I do. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, because it's not my point and certainly not the point of the commentator I was answering to... Why are you trying to sidetrack the conversation rather than answering the current points being made... ? I am not interested in a demonstration of knowledge from you, especially if it's sidetracking a conversation with solid arguments... I am only interested in people who have real arguments and add value to a discussion...

Because everything else doesn’t just exist, they all had to be *caused* in order to exist, but if everything has to be caused, then so do the causes themselves, and it just goes and goes back to infinity. And if it just goes back to infinity, then there’s no definitive point where anything can start, and yet it did. So it suggests that reality is not infinite, but rather that it begins with a non-contingent(causeless) being. That’s where this characteristic comes from, it’s not some arbitrary logical work around, it’s the underlying philosophy dating back centuries.

@PorterPresgrave and so to prevent a never ending cause and effect l, we must believe that an omnipotent being just "is" and created all else to answer the question of what came first the chicken or the egg. As a normal thinking human. You should be ok with three words. Ready "I don't know" Then, accept that you will never know and then "God" I promise, will seem like a silly children's story.

​@@billyperry6567there it is lol. "I don't know" somehow always translates to, "I don't know, but I'm positive that it's not God" Which means that you do think you know and, deep down, you realize your answer is more laughable than the people you despise as believing fairy tales. Everyone sees through your freshman philosophy answers.

@@billyperry6567 I didn’t say I know, I’m happy to admit I don’t know, my point is this causality thing suggests a non-contingent/necessary being or entity to begin the process.

​@@SquatterMoccasinIt does doesn't it.

Humans can't actually comprehend the full scope of time, your position is basically equivalent to "It is what it is"

@@LeagueofWut Yes. I see no evidence to suggest otherwise. Additionally time is in existence, not apart from it. So there is no "before" existence.

As energy cannot be created or destroyed, only change form, and since all the elemental "particles" of matter are really packets of energy, by definition, it has always been here. There was never nothing.

I thnk there's enough people now adhering to this position, that prescribing creation principle to atheists is ill-advised. People are just too adjusted to see things beginning and ending, but there's nothing particularly wrong with cosmos existing permanently in one form or another, much as the fact that time is a myth created to explain and predict change, and only the current moment exists anyway.

@@thinkbeyond3457 Exactly. So it's always there. Things just bond and break.

It is simply not accurate to claim that atheists "believe nothing created the universe." 99% of them will tell you "I don't know", not "well there was nothing and then magically there was everything."

Despite claiming to be Christian, many Christians seem not to care about bearing false witness: they lie 😂 just like you 😂 god is good with lies if you lie for him, right?

Lol, what accuracy? He won an argument he was having with himself with a bias towards one side. Two people have never had that discussion, lol

The scientific nothing is not the layman's definition.

@@ZenoDovahkiin Weird. 99% atheists I talked with, were pretty sure that God doesn't exist.

"we don't actually think that" and Christians respond with "you're triggered by my ignorance"

I think the thought is that something had to make matter. If there is no matter or forces to create matter, if there was nothing so to speak, then how could matter come into being(the Big Bang)

So there was a necessary existence that created the Universe? Congratulations, you're a theist.

Then what created the universe? Go ahead.

At the point of the singularity something had to exist. The question is where did it come from ? It always existed? Infinite loop ? Sciences makes sense after the singularity in terms of the universe. People will believe what they want to believe and can't be convinced otherwise. God is real you have to find him. Once or twice is a coincidence,but every time I had no way out and Called to Jesus he gave me a way out.

When God knows something, it exists.

​@@bizzaro1988so does God know about abortions?

@@DBeskar6605 so if this supposed person knows it exists and is supposedly all powerful, then why doesn't he stop it? Unless he designed it himself, also it doesn't matter if its any relevant it's a question it's not supposed to be entirely relevant

​@@bizzaro1988 So....magic

For this statement to make sense, God has to exist and you just want to be irrational.

And how do you deny God's existence? By saying that everything came from nothing? Oops, same argument.

Saying god doesnt exist infers that the universe came from nothing

​@@desertsand8778wrong. The correct answer we don't know and we don't pretend that we know. It's arrogant to say you know how everything came into creation. My guess has been is that it's random accident if we're the only life in the universe

@@wmd13194 random accidents from what?

@@wmd13194 saying that it's random is the same as saying we came from nothing

That's just a nothing kinda question. If you're the creator, then that's it. Top of the food chain, alpha and omega, the 1st, the one and only.......there's "nothing" beyond that. Lol

That's just a nothing kinda question. If you're the creator, then that's it. Top of the food chain, alpha and omega, the 1st, the one and only.......there's "nothing" beyond that. Lol

@@j.t.y109 WRONG, it’s nothing but creators all the way down, duh!

​@@j.t.y109So if you accept "just always existed" as an excuse- uh, I mean "explanation" for god, then why not for existence? Can't matter have just always been? And do you realise you're also impying god existed in literal nothingness for an infinite amount of time before deciding to create something? The hell was he doing?

Low iq question.

Scripture says to trust and have faith and accept that Christ is the truth, they way to the true God, and the way to everlasting life. Despite there being many claims of God, none has manifested in the flesh as is the Christian belief. My question is... Is it better to have hope in everlasting life? Or have a life that teaches there is no hope? That this is the end. Life is meaningless. I tend to believe a life lived not believing there is a thing as sin or there being a consequence for sin (judgement day) predates a society plunging itself into sin. If that makes sense. Rejection of sin=Acceptance of sin in a manner of speaking. And from what the bible defines as sin, would that be a world that you or I would want to live in?

@@victorypoints777So what you're saying is you need the threat of eternal punishment to not be evil and the promise of eternal reward to be good. And you're projecting that onto the rest of humanity, rejecting the idea that anybody can find value and meaning in a limited, temporary, mortal existence just because you yourself are incapable of it. That the rest of us lacks the conviction to call evil evil because of itself, without the belief that some ultimate infallible authority agrees with us just because you are scared of your own human limits and the uncertainty of knowing you could be mistaken. "Life is meaningless if I can't live forever, what's the point in being a good person if you're not eternally paid for your good deeds" is not an inevitable conclusion to the absence of gods, it is just *your* conclusion, and a selfish attitude towards life. Good and evil do not require divine authority to have meaning. Marcus Aurelius had this figured out before your religion even took off: "Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." Meanwhile your approach is "What, I get no reward for doing good? Well might as well be evil then." Quite a greedy and egotistical position to call others immoral for not believing in your god from.

Was Steven Hawkin a theist?

Some atheists say that, yeah.. but most of us say “we don’t know how the universe came to be” 👌🏾

​@@anthonysteele8932 hint It was God. Now you know!

@@rcmysm9123 you’re just pretending to know things you don’t actually know.

@@anthonysteele8932 yeah some atheists do say that, and they’re wrong. I don’t know why someone would defend an incoherent concept such as “nothing”. What even is nothing?