Not necessarily. If one really concerns the predecessor of this kind of genre in jazz music, which is usually titled as "European free jazz", and try to find a prototype of it in American free jazz scene in the 1960s, then the prototype has to be something about music of Coleman and Cherry (listen to "New York Eye & Ear Control" if you're interested), not Coltrane. Indeed, there're numerous followers of Coltrane, but they aren't.

It seems louder than even Ayler at times, perhaps because every member is committed 2 making as loud and raucous n abrasive sound as possible, always come back 2 this ,: 0

I don't believe brotzmann when he has said at times he wasn't influenced by Ayler, Ayler is the key n there is sanders n maybe Coltrane, Sidney bechet apparently n he may have seen coltrane in 61 with dolphy just like evan parker, but he developed his own sound by 67/68 and to hear this in person would be great, I just get such a joy out of the blowing of the sax to pieces or clarinet, he just picks up a baritone or alto and blows it apart, makes no difference, and it sounds great! So simple yet ingenious, Ayler is interesting in his own way for making streams of sound and all kinds of sound out of playing scales and chords very very fast and building altissimo range, Dolphy was playing pretty fast and playing reams of sound in his last year, but 2 just get sax n blow the world out of it, to see this live would be awesome, brotzmann r u coming to melbourne again?! I know he only been like one time!!! Come back!!!! He is living great, no he has been on 2 something always, is the kind of music you hear and think no I'd do this now and not play my normal instrument or music, like great blues or rock or pop too ,: 0

Key difference is brotzmann didn't align his playing with the same kind of spirituality ayler did, to hear albums called nipples, fuck de boere, alarm, it's an absolute thrill of raw sound and attitude, nipples could be one of my favourite albums of all for this reason alone, absolute raw intense classic music ,: 0

Got 2 get machine gun though, alarm too, there are some specialist labels that reissue it, and if there were any globe unity or other brotzmann videos from this time it would be very appreciated even though I am grateful for what is there and hope to buy more brotzmann on cd, n what do have, is like only nipples and also more nipples? I can't find it, it isn't reissued and is expensive but of course have heard heaps on youtube n on repeat and youtube is where I first heard and saw brotzmann and it was unlike anything, blowing raw guttural sound out in a band in the midst of a quiet bar with bar bench and waiter n everything, it was like, you know it's different you know something about it, his 100% commitment for as long as he can muster is a different approach and is something I try to learn from and apply to my playing in some ways. ,: 0

I know this is six years later, but do you remember what split?

@@Superblamblamman I know this is 2 years later, but did you found that split?

More rare videos ,: 0

That's what I told the Rhine Area punks around 1980, but they won't listen (or even less play with me ;))

I saw this group at Nefertiti in Gothenburg Sweden, some week before (or after?). It was called ”Hobby Quartet” for some reason. The concert I saw was much more powerful.

Well it was freedom 2 them n other european countries, it was like popular music nearly, especially in france which is interesting 2 look at ,: 0

If this happened in Australia in 1974, yes there were scenes and players but at a festival! Yeah or anywhere else, is interesting how things catch on : -D

Now hello folks this is dixieland symposium n we have brotzmann playing next some traditional loud dixieland : -D

I know this is an 11 year old comment, but to anyone interested, jazz was initially banned by the Polish communist regime until 1956. After that they had a vibrant jazz scene throughout the three more decades of communist rule. I actually think that they were _the_ country in the Eastern Bloc that was heavy on jazz.

I dont know if kidding or not.

@@ernstjung6234 Right?

RaZoR da LyriCaL MiraClE Who are you talking to?

one of the worst things you can do when approaching music is assume that your mind has to be on some "other level" to get it. what a condescending and shitty way to enjoy music. if someone doesn't like it, they don't like it. i dig it, but don't act like you're some genius because you don't listen to easy listening music

1977, oh what a year for me. I learned to crawl, walk, and even say my first words. One of the most fundamental years of my life.

Quite fitting for the circumstances!

Same here...lol.

Embrace the liberation of free jazz, don't constrict it to a paper

one day we'll get there

This should be the soundtrack for “de lift”, translated: the elevator, genius movie by Dick Maas. 😂

Yeah it is. It's not music

@@JazzFan76 It is music, great music

What jazz do you like outta curiosity? Not asking like accusatorily (that’s a word now I’ve decided), I just notice you’re called JazzFan and I’m genuinely curious what kinda jazz you like.

It’s defenitely music. But its also very strange and busy music. I have doubts if this is intended to be beautiful, but there is now law that tells it should be. I have no clue what they are doing, but I still can hear that they know what they are doing. Its not totally unrelated. Its not my favorite, but its interesting to hear what is their idea about music.

Would like to blast this in moscow now

Lol...I know right?

yeah totally dude

Yep. This is why people should just say no

Some of them, sure. What would make you think otherwise?

This man breaks the most fundamental rules of music.

I've played and studied music for 13-14 years now and not once have I encountered any real "rules". The closest I've gotten is things common to certain genres (like that the melodic minor scale descending in most classical music resolves into a regular minor scale) but those are not rules, just descriptions.

Why would that matter? :)

Aftastos K - What are the 'rules' of music? Did Moses bring them down from the mountain on 78s? The very existence of a rule makes an art form dead. Suggestions, yes - perhaps things that people have become acculturated to - but as I always say to individuals who claim someone cannot sing: 'They produced vocal noises, so they clearly CAN sing. You just may not like how they do it, but you don't get a vote, except with your dollars/consumer habits, as do others.'

Lol...me too. This ain't music. You wouldn't be able to print this on sheet music.

listen to slow mauve scribblings by bill dixon then you stupid fuck

Almost noise

In actuality, you can. Believe it or not, growling THAT hard on a sax and actually making the note ring that loudly is pretty hard for someone who has never played a sax before

@@AnAverageItalian I have played sax before. But this still isn't music. Just because a person can make noise with an instrument doesn't mean it's always musical. I can beat box on my trumpet mouthpiece but it's not musical

Whether or not you enjoy music like this is completely subjective but to outright deny this as a form of musical expression it comes off pretty elitist. Jazz is a genre all about breaking boundaries and challenging perception, and when you put a limit on that creativity, it ultimately defeats the point of art itself. That’s just me though.

@@merzberd So because my opinion is different than most people, that makes me an "elitist"? For fuck's sake, no one can express their opinions online anymore because some asshole gets triggered. It's an opinion. You don't have to like or agree with it.

@@JazzFan76 Bruh I’m just trying start a conversation, you’re the only one getting triggered