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In the first episode of this three-part series, Peter Byrom shares his fascinating story as told in the chapter he contributed to "Coming to Faith Through Dawkins". He outlines how he encountered the apologist William Lane Craig via the New Atheists and discusses his growing disillusionment with Dawkins' "devastating" argument from complexity.
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@PremierUnbelievable 11 ай бұрын

Part Two: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fsWFp5eavpjbl2Q.html

@robertvann7349 11 ай бұрын

Uneducated and most educated Christians should not speak. I am a PACIFIST Christian because violence is evil and non violence is good. Period. I prove God's existence by using Aristotle's logic ie. his two famous formulas for impossible contradiction subjective illogical immoral unjust illegal reasoning and non contradiction objective logical moral just legal reasoning. Law of contradiction formula A is non A ie. B for SIMPLICITY. Lets plug data into this formula and critically evaluate the result. A is a non consciousness being like a eukaryote caused the effect of ( is ) B an atheist's consciousness being Simple. Now critically evaluate result. It is an impossible scientific hypothesis that is a contradiction. Logically now God must exist to cause the effect of human consciousness, not evolution.

@robertvann7349 11 ай бұрын

Now lets plug data into A isn't non A ie. B for SIMPLICITY. Aristotle's law of non-contradiction formula used. In labs all day long A is non consciousness organisms cause the effect of ( is ) A a non consciousness organism Hence logically God exists period. God's consciousness could only cause a conscious worm brain not an unconscious eukaryote. B is conscious organisms cause the effect of ( is ) B conscious organisms in labs all day long. Simple eh.

@robertvann7349 11 ай бұрын

False scientific hypothesis for morality A is B impossible contradiction A is a non moral being like a eukaryote or worm with a brain caused the effect of ( is ) B is a moral human This is a impossible contradiction false scientific hypothesis, hence God is the only logical source for human morality. Cool eh. Would you like me to come on your show?

@robertvann7349 11 ай бұрын

These formulas work for absolute true law. A is non pacifist that kills is moral just and legal B is pacifist that doesn't kill is moral just and legal This is A is B impossible contradiction subjective illogical immoral unjust illegal reasoning. Now restore contradiction to non contradiction using A isn't non A ie. B for SIMPLICITY. Closing argument objectively. EITHER A is non pacifist that kills is moral just and legal OR B is pacifist that doesn't kill is moral just and legal Not both, that would be illogical A is B. Only one can be moral just and legal and the other immoral unjust and illegal If A non pacifist that kills is moral just and legal the human race would exterminate and God would have to commit suicide because B a pacifist would be illegal and they would be exterminated.

@robertvann7349 11 ай бұрын

Why don't you write out the logically sound moral just and legal arguments for abortion and send to the Supreme Court and non heterosexuals, war, death penalty. A war is just and B war is unjust A abortion is just and B unjust This is A is B impossible contradiction subjective illogical corrupt logic. A non heterosexuals are legal and non legal. EITHER A non heterosexuals are legal OR B heterosexuals are legal not both to avoid A is B impossible contradiction corrupt man's law Once again if non heterosexuals are legal then heterosexuals would be illegal and the human race would exterminate and Jesus would be gay. Simple. You do creation argument. Write the argument out first as A is B then correct impossible contradiction to A isn't B for objective absolute truth. 😍👍😎🤣

@Practical.Wisdom 11 ай бұрын

Brilliant interview!

@Anna-mc3ll 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing this interesting interview!

@gregkirk1842 11 ай бұрын

Ive never been impressed with Craigs arguments. All he has to say on this one is: God isnt just another being in the Universe, he is outside of it and doesn't follow the rules of physics...thats why its METAphysics, thats why we have miricles.

@DartNoobo 11 ай бұрын

Well, if creator exists, he has to be outside the universe and metaphysics. What is your problem with that? Or is that this is the only thing Craig has to say?

@alexnorth3393 10 ай бұрын

It's unfalsifiable, totally meaningless.

@gregkirk1842 10 ай бұрын

@DartNoobo I'm saying that he SHOULD say that. But instead, he muddles the argument with lesser points.

@koosvanderkolk2223 10 ай бұрын

@@alexnorth3393'Falsifiable' is only a handy rule of thumb introduced by Popper when doing science. This is philosophy. The basic assumptions of science itself e.g. are also not falsifiable (which is totally fine).

@jfinite 11 ай бұрын

He's focusing on Dawkins and Craig in 2023? Sounds like this book would have been more relevant 15 years ago.

@fbcpraise 11 ай бұрын

The book is autobiographical. So, yes, the events he's speaking of happened in the past.

@vovomorgan 11 ай бұрын

Hi, Peter. Nice to "see" you again. You may remember our meeting up for a pint in Exeter... Richard Morgan

@MultiSky7 10 ай бұрын

0:37 ... Actually, that happens all the time - once you go out of that echo chamber.

@fukpoeslaw3613 11 ай бұрын

How does this make sense? whether god is made of this or that, it still has to be complicated.

@fukpoeslaw3613 11 ай бұрын

@user-yo4pm2jv5x What do you mean by "is"? It's like you're talking about abstractions like numbers or (the laws of) logic, but in that case what you call god wouldn't be able to speak or create planets or "shapeshift" into human form (e.g. Jesus) etc. Is your god maybe not the God of the Bible?

@DartNoobo 11 ай бұрын

What does it even matter if God is complex or not? Existence does not depend of simplicity or complexity

@fukpoeslaw3613 11 ай бұрын

@@DartNoobo It seems easier, more natural, to go from simple to complex than the other way round, especially if you're thinking, like Dawkins does, of evolution. That's all 🤗

@briansmith3791 11 ай бұрын

@@fukpoeslaw3613 Dawkins is probably right concerning the evolution of Life....from simple to complex. The universe itself is a different matter. It started off complex. The Physical Constants were fine-tuned from the Beginning.

@fukpoeslaw3613 11 ай бұрын

@@briansmith3791 well, we know the tunes of the physical constants, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a complex system. I mean, they have to have *some* worth. And what if those "constants" were different? I'm sure an omnipotent God would find some way to still make world's with intelligent life, ofcourse. And why do we even have a body? (When we can do without according to most theisms.)

@Fair-to-Middling 11 ай бұрын

I've watched William Lane Craig in a few debates and frankly, I find him annoying. Maybe I am being too critical, but he reminds me of a pompous pastor of a church I used to attend. At least Craig believes (or maybe uses the belief) that the earth is very old. I'll give him that.

@emiliawisniewski3947 11 ай бұрын

Ha, it is his style. I really enjoy it. It’s really confident and refreshing.

@kwanxin9506 11 ай бұрын

I think it's the way he speaks. I did not like it at the beginning too. But once u get over it, there's really quite a lot of wisdom to learn from the man.

@alexnorth3393 10 ай бұрын

Frank Turek is the worst. None of them are impressive tbh.

@harlowcj 10 ай бұрын

You find him annoying because he consistently wins his debates or because he has a pseudo midwestern accent? Lol

@zyxwfish 10 ай бұрын

@@alexnorth3393try Greg Bahnsen videos

@mowm88 11 ай бұрын

Dawkins thought God was Galactus or something?? Oy vay.

@alexnorth3393 10 ай бұрын

They are both fictional.

@solaceboy 10 ай бұрын

@@alexnorth3393Says the God hater.

@tonygoodkind7858 10 ай бұрын

@@solaceboyMeanwhile: mysteriously there's no evidence of a god in your reply. So clearly non-belief isn't the result of "hate", but of rationally remaining unconvinced of unconvincing ideas.

@stevenwhite8937 10 ай бұрын

Except the James Webb telescope has shown that complicated things fully mature galaxies exist as far back as we can see there’s no evidence things started out simple.

@RLBays 11 ай бұрын

Peter did a great job of explaining why ID and creationism is nothing more than special pleading! I also like how he talked about the Christian deity as a "cosmic authority" and how it was nice not to have to pretend one exists - interesting that Ruth interpreted that as "convenience" which is an odd way of thinking about not being judged by a cosmic authority.

@alexnorth3393 10 ай бұрын

These Christian apologists are generally unimpressive as they use the silly unfalsifiable stance Lennox is terrible tbh. Remember that there is a huge difference between is there a god and is Christianity real.

@MultiSky7 10 ай бұрын

You are so basic that you don't even have the capabilities to understand the logic behind correlation of the existence of God "vs." Christianity, or Lennox - for that matter.

@matthewlogan4267 7 ай бұрын

So is your mother 😆👍😂🤣🤣💯💯👏👏👏👏

@peterbastjancic 8 ай бұрын

It seems that there is an incapacity of theists to credibly hypothesize that there is no need for a creator. It seems they lack the ability to find purpose and meaning within themselves or in society and the people and animals they love and are loved by. The persistance in their mistakes follows Shopehoeers "art of beeing right" at all costs, that it's almost admirable, but only to a certain extent. There is this unpleasant feeling of a lack of sincerity on the theistic side, the tendency of hypocrisy in their positions and arguments that follow a patronizing narrative just to acahieve dominamce of their idea trough manipulation rather than trough empirical, proof. Their position remains as firm as in the medieval times and arrogantly unchangable.

@mohamedali2858 11 ай бұрын

One of the methods of the alleged and manipulator is that he rejects the reality agreed upon by everyone through violation of concepts and customs without making a clear pretext, as the prophets did when they came with the established religions and beliefs accepted by most people who adhere to them.

@mowm88 11 ай бұрын

Dawkins reminds me of the guy who ran the store in Are You Being Served--the bald one

@Mrguy-ds9lr 11 ай бұрын

The captian guy? Oh I forget his name, oh mr peacock. Or captain peacock?

@nqkoi159 11 ай бұрын

Haha, well the MIND is by definition the result of a physical body, so just saying the phrase "mind without a body" is false and gibberish.

@jasonpowell7622 11 ай бұрын

The orign of mind , consciousness, logic and intelligence are all still up for debate.A The inability for a mind to exist outside of the physical universe is not disprovable,B. So C, its still a matter of induction and abuctive reasoning.

@jasonpowell7622 11 ай бұрын

My words are tentative and provisional for the purpose of correction and spelling.

@alexnorth3393 10 ай бұрын

It is indeed. Nothing we experience or think is EVER outside of our brain. It is ALL of our experiences.

@jasonpowell7622 10 ай бұрын

@@alexnorth3393 What are you talking about Willis?

@M3Etasmania 10 ай бұрын

Did Peter meet his Christian wife sometime around the time he converted (back) to Christianity?

@onionbelly_ 11 ай бұрын

Is this going to be another interview where Christians smell their own farts?

@Bullcutter 11 ай бұрын

Speak politely, you scum bag troll!

@fukpoeslaw3613 11 ай бұрын

Yes!! go grab some popcorn 🍿🍿🍿 🤗

@alexnorth3393 10 ай бұрын

Prolly.

@matthewlogan4267 7 ай бұрын

I'm sorry your do that buddy I guess get your head out of your ass them! 😂😂😂😂😂

@M3Etasmania 10 ай бұрын

....The Universe began to exist, therefore Jesus. Solid.

@Starchaser63 11 ай бұрын

Heres 2 good reasons against belief in a God - God has not been able to defeat evil and suffering which are completely dominant in the world today, 2nd is God is invisible, hidden, absent, disappeared 😢....so No God whatsoever and no ability to stop evil and suffering here on earth 🌎... 😊

@mohamedali2858 11 ай бұрын

The Four Miracles of Atheism 1. Getting Something from Nothing. 2. Getting Life from Non-Life. 3. Getting Order from Chaos. 4. Getting the Immaterial from Physical Matter.

@MrMvidz 11 ай бұрын

@@mohamedali2858 The miracle of religion > answering above questions with something for which there's no evidence of.

@dasanudas997 11 ай бұрын

This is a problem of Abrahamic theology. Not one of theism.

@fukpoeslaw3613 11 ай бұрын

1. That's according to some theisms, not according to atheism, not even according to modern physics. 2. That's not a miracle 3. Go study thermodynamics again. 4. Yeah, that's a weird one, no idea how that works. (and neither really do you)

@fukpoeslaw3613 11 ай бұрын

@@mohamedali2858 1. That has nothing to do with atheism. God's supposed to create everything out of nothing. 2. That's not a miracle 3. Not a miracle, go study thermodynamics a bit more 4. If you mean consciousness, I totally agree that's miraculous! and nobody's got a clue to how that works.