maybe they made neverland look so bland because it fits the plot

"This magic belongs to no boy!!!" Girl it don't belong to you either.

Im starting to feel like Disney is purposefully rage baiting the fans. They cant possibly make this stuff without knowing how bad it is.

I don't understand how "strong female protagonist" translates to being abusive, arrogant, selfish, pessimistic, a narcissist, and a bully. I see Wendy went to the Amber Heard school of "female empowerment". I know a lot of guys suck but that doesn't mean all males are corrupt devils. Men can be respectful, vulnerable, and caring while still being very masculine. We can still have damsels in distress but it doesn't have to paint the character as helpless and pathetic.

“We’re the lost boys” Wendy: “But you’re girls?” “So!?” Me who knows the real reason why there aren’t any lost girls in the original movie and the original fairy tale version: *Sigh*

You know... about representation... growing up as a little white girl, I wanted to be peter pan. I felt so understood by his character. did it matter he was a boy? not to me. Which disney princess was my favourite? Mulan. She's chinese, I'm clearly not. But I felt understood by her character. I felt represented as a weird girl who wants to make her family proud and and who doesn't feel comfortable wearing makeup and dresses. I felt represented by fckn Judy Hopps as someone who believes she could achieve anything by working hard, only to find out it was more complicated than that. I feel like making these characters all about their ethnicities or gender is twisting everything disney stood for.

The old Disney movies were straight up art, period.

You know it’s bad when you want the villain to win

In Peter Pan lore, the reason there are no girls among the lost boys is that girls are too clever to get lost. In an effort to be more inclusive, disney accidentally implied all the new girls are stupid.

I actually burst into laughter when you showed the “never land reveal” scene. That looked like a giant clump of darkness it didn’t even resemble an island. What the actual heck.

It's like the girl acting as Tinkerbell was hired for the color of her skin and not the colour of her character. What a surprise! *_Woke Disney Pictures._*

The original Wendy was the sort of big sister who was caring, nurturing, and encouraged her younger siblings to embrace growing up. This Wendy gives me the bossy, know-it-all big sister whose siblings stop whatever fun thing they're doing when she enters the room.

neverland needs a mordor tower

How is walking the plank supposed to kill Wendy, when she literally survived a cannonball blast to the face?

My main issue with the movie is how dreary, depressing, empty, and existential the entire movie feels. It’s just such a depressing movie. Not an ounce of happiness in the entire movie.

They actually managed to make a movie even more annoying than the Pinocchio remake.

Your rant of Tinkerbell's lack of a glow reminded me of a character from the Pixie Hollow movies. Iridessa. She's a dark-skinned fairy, and she glows as bright as the rest of her friends. Ironically enough, in the case of this movie, she's also a light fairy (responsible for guiding sunlight to the flowers, giving fireflies their glow, and create rainbows). So good job, once again, in forgetting an already "diverse" character Disney 😅

And somehow this has a higher critic score than the Mario movie 💀🤦🏾‍♂️

I showed my mom the three island pictures and asked if she can point out the ones from Disney, she thought the 2003 remake was the Disney remake. I don’t blame her, it’s more appealing to look at then the dark island they gave us

"You're a pirate aren't you? It's every man for himself." So brave. So empowering. Such an a**hole.

Probably the biggest middle finger is the fact they they Peter Pan into a complete psycho with the way they rewrote Hook. Him being a Lost Boy who wanted to leave Neverland to find his mother, got lost at sea ,became a pirate to survive and then came back to Neverland only to have his hand chopped off by Peter. Hook genuinely feels more like the hero than anything tbh. And, of course, lets not forget how they butchered the whole theme of growing up the original story was going for, by turning the compassionate Wendy, who originally embodied all the positive aspects of growing up, into a girlboss who's whole arc is realising how awesome she alredy is.

The casual violence of girls hitting boys demonstrates exactly how the writers/directors/producers/Disney feel about boys as a whole. Disney has jumped the shark and into the waiting arms of violent sexism. Way to go you putz’s.

At least somebody has respect for the 2003 remake

"Lost boys?" "Um, _excuse you_ , we are _people of lost_ ."

I can’t remember who first pointed it out to me, but isn’t it kind of incredibly harmful that all these shows and movies coming out are teaching young girls that relying on others makes you weak? I swear to God, if these “strong female characters” were male, the same people defending them would scream “toxic masculinity.”

You know it's sad, when the 2003 remake is actually more comparable to the 1953 cartoon. . . then the ACTUAL 2023 VERSION!

disney must think colorful = childish so they are stripping all the color out of their movies to be more "mature"

To quote the original 1953 movie, "All this has happened before, and it will all happen again."

That moment where Wendy says. "This magic belongs to no boy." Just screams they wanted it to be the much more badass "I am no man" line from Lord of the Rings.

As a black girl myself the race swapping of tinker bell got me sooo MAD! Like I don’t know what they think they are doing here but it’s basically saying that they don’t care for making new characters! It more racist then their so called “diversity” they claimed. And like you said I hate how dark the lightning is 🤦🏾‍♀️

The whole point of the Peter Pan story, at least from what I witnessed, is that Never Land is a very fun place and Wendy acknowledges this many times throughout the story. But the longer she stays, the more she starts to think "this is fun, yeah, but...I feel too old for it". She doesn't deny the fun and innocence of childhood, but recognizes that growing up has its upsides. She will miss her childhood, but she is strong enough to face the future as an adult--willing to be kind, nurturing, and strong enough to look after children she may one day have. In that sense, Wendy is basically the antithesis of Captain Hook, who grew up and used adulthood as an excuse to bully, domineer, and attack anyone he saw as beneath him--children especially. This abomination of a movie has outright contempt for this idea. Wendy has only just arrived in Never Land, has previously read all the stories of Peter Pan, yet basically right out the gate, callously decides it's all stupid and that she's above it all. How terrible a person does one have to be when their idea of a "happy thought" is "dying alone"?

Peter Pan was actually my favorite Disney movie as a kid, because it literally felt more magical and more immersive than the other Disney princess films.

Wendy: But, you're not all boys. Random little girl: sO??!! Wendy: I guess it doesn't really matter. The book: Am I a joke to you?

The directors really said "We made Tinkerbell dark, we might as well make the whole ass movie dark too"

Peter Pan 2003 holds up. The Jeremy sumpter and Rachel Hurd-wood had a little crush on each other while filming and it showed. They did such a good performance. And the practical effects and the fight scenes were hilarious. And it was so much more faithful not only to the Disney movie but to the book.

FINALLY someone else besides me who gives the 2003 movie the credit it deserves! Best live action Peter Pan, hands down.

No live action remake of Peter Pan will EVER replace the 2003 live action. EVER. Still gives me chills.

Please explain to me how a movie made in 2003 looks better than a move made 20 years later? Yes some of the effects are dated but overall it looks WAY better than this bland, dark, dreary, and boring excuse for a movie. Peter was not charismatic and he just wasn’t casted well and it had nothing to do with his skin color. I was open to seeing a race bent Peter Pan…..but they didn’t cast him based off his acting just the way he looked which is very insulting to people of color who would look up to Peter. Also who would look up to him in this movie he’s not portrayed well his female costars were treated better. Tinker bell was wasted potential she was pretty but no glow or sparkle? Wtf? Also why is tinker bell with him if they can’t understand each other? 😂 that makes no sense! Why are they friends?

Wait, she really said “Now this magic belongs to no boy” ??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 like, wtf 🤣🤣

In the wise words of deadpool: "So dark! are you from the DC universe?"

It's kinda sad that the cartoon Wendy is literally so mature that she becomes a literal mother figure to the lost boys and her brothers. Wow. I mean true not everyone might not remember the classics but damn just watch the classics 😂😂🤦🏽

28:18 As someone else pointed-out, Wendy's final "happy" thought is to be "old, alone, and done for" which is the very unhappy thought that finishes-off Captain Hook in the '03 version. Also, I saw no sign of any "family" in Wendy's girlboss future. She's just shown doing girlboss stuff, and then dying alone. Contrast that with Puss-in-Boot's "life flashing before his eyes" during his final confrontation against The Wolf: its images of love, comradeship, and enjoying life with others. Those images are what inspire Puss to fight Death to the end for that life. Wendy's "happy" future is just shallow self-absorption which says it all about Disney's current "creatives."

*_Dying alone._* That's considered a "happy memory" on this movie.

This is absolutely a self-insert story for the writers. Wendy gets the powers of Peter, Tinkerbell, and an adult all at the same time and all to the Nth degree that the original characters couldn't reach.

I miss Jeremy Sumpter so much, he was the perfect Peter Pan, the attitude, the charisma, the body language, and you could tell he loved playing the character. Even his costume felt more alive, colorful, with details that made sense, and matched with the enviorment, and gave him that sense of free spirit. The new one is so boring to look at, barely any color.

To be fair with Tiger Lily speaking Cree they could have played it like Neverland magic translates things. For me the most annoying thing about Tiger Lily is they got her horse wrong. Native Americans are known for riding painted ponies called Appaloosas, it’s an American horse breed with a naturally occurring spotted coat mutation and they are gorgeous horses. Instead they’ve got her riding what looks like a Lipizzaner (you can tell by the black nose) which is a European breed and startlingly white in a film where everything else is drab. Literally this horse looks like it’s glowing next to everything else (including the fairy). I get they were probably trying to do the hero rides up on a white horse trope but seriously Appaloosas are awesome.

I also have to bring up Tinkerbell's glowing is such a downer in this rendition for one major reason for me. In the original, Tink's light went dim when people didn't believe or she was on the verge of dying like when she took the bomb from Peter. Her light dimming was a sign she was losing not just her magic but her very life. This Tinkerbell being so dim just feels like she's on the verge of dying and yet I can't bring myself to care about her like I did the other versions.

Neverland being a dull lifeless island in the middle of the ocean has the same energy as the Whole New World scene in the Aladdin remake, where they went like 5 miles outside the kingdom.

At this point the question isn't "Is the disney remake bad?", it's "How bad is this disney remake?"

The biggest problem with Disney's ''sympathetic'' villains: - Retroactively trying to make a villain into a misunderstood hero. ''Remember the original villains? Well, now you should feel bad for them and stupid for thinking they were evil in the first place.'' - Even when they're supposed to be likable they still are terrible. They're mean, do terrible things and we are supposed to feel bad for them because they have a sad backstory? Paraphrasing Rocket the Racoon ''Boo hoo! Your mommy is dead? It's not an excuse to be a dick!'' - Speaking of backstories! Modern Disney can't tell a subtle story. The new backstories are so over-the-top tragic and edgy that they unintentionally end up being funny. Cruella's mother being dropped kicked off a cliff by the dalmatians comes to mind. - Also, contrived and stupid. It's really hard to feel sympathy for someone if most of their problems come from their actions and instead of acknowledging it and changing for the better they go ''You destroyed my life!'' and go on a path of revenge. Why is Cruella homeless as a child, shouldn't the police find her and put her in foster care or an orphanage? I guess ''My mother was pushed off a cliff by dogs.'' would make people think she's crazy. - Not to mention how by trying to make villains sympathetic the writers turn ''heroes'' into terrible people. Peter Pan was best friends with Captain Hook but left him alone to wander the seas looking for his mother and when he come back as an adult Peter cut off his hand. I want Hook to kill this little psycho and save poor children. I reads like those fanfiction about Hook being the lost boy. But even those fanfics are better! - It also takes away from their threatening presence. Scar in the remake is now a pussy (wink wink) who sounds like he's about to cry when killing Mufasa and an incel who can't get over that Sarabi married Mufasa and not him.

It genuinely hurt me watching it. Peter Pan & Wendy is one of my all time favourite stories. It had morals and lessons about growing up, motherhood, mortality, jealousy and obsession. This took a massive s**t all over the values that were laid out by J M Barrie, values that STILL hold up today. Such a shame!

Imagine how people would react if Peter slapped Wendy like this...

I think there was an explanation in the OG Peter Pan stories why the Lost Boys are all boys. I believe it was something along the lines of, the Lost Boys were babies that fell out of their cribs in orphanages that no one cared enough about to put back. After that, the magic of Neverland took these babies and brought them to it since they had no where else to go. And the reason there are no girls is because, as the book explains, girls are too smart to fall out of their cribs, even as babies.

Thank you for pointing out how physically tiny the actor portraying Peter Pan is, this must be deliberate.

I have the biggest crush on Peter Pan 2003 live action hahahaha gosh, he was so dreamy and funny and silly. Tinkerbell getting jealous with her quirkiness was hilarious. When Wendy was talking to Peter and he had that nervousness in him, gurl, I was screaming internally. AND THEIR KISS AHHHHHHHHHH such a y/n daydream material haha. Now, I just enjoy people reviewing this new live action. It sucks. Nuff said.

The shot where they see the island for the first time looks like what Napoleon must have seen (and felt) when he finally arrived at St.Helena. It looks like a prison island out somewhere at the other end of the world. It looks like a remote island where the only one who wants to go there is a field biologist, to put up a tent and watch some endangered species of albatross breed.

Wendy is literally the antagonist of this movie.

I love that they got rid of Wendy's gentle, nurturing personality that taught the lost boys about how important and natural it was to grow up. Which led the change in them. I adore how they got rid of the fact that the reason there were no girls who were lost was because girls were too smart to get lost. I love that they made everyone much less likable versions of themselves, even when the try to make hook more a more tragic character, all they manage to do is destroy Peter's character without improving Hook at all. Why does Disney think "modern audiences" want terribly written stories with forced diversity and bad messages that don't really stand the test of time like the original ones did? I'm sorry, but nothing in this movie was inspired. I was bored throughout the entire thing. Law's performance was great, but it's not enough to save this movie. Tinkerbell had no real personality- even Peter apparently can't understand her anymore despite them having been friends for many, many years. Wendy, of course, can take on full grown men in actual sword fights because she pretend dueled with her little brothers with wooden swords. Tiger Lily insists on speaking her native language, even to people who don't understand it-when she knows English and knows that they can't speak her language. This movie is very bland. Neverland is missing pretty much all of its charm, and there's very little color in this movie. Also, I wasn't convinced Tinkerbell actually cared about anything happening even in scenes where it's assumed she'd be upset. They made Peter much less charming, not only due to the acting, but just the actions and dialogue given to the character. Wendy had no real reason to slap him like that, but it's framed like she's in the right because i don't know, go girlboss Wendy with her happy thoughts of growing old and dying alone.

Wendy’s sword fight with her siblings in the new Disney movie is both curious and disturbing. In fact, it tells how the myopic ideological vision of the movie’s writers conceives of her. Supposedly a typical Victorian pre-teen (12-13), who is middle class but just barely so according to J. M. Barrie’s literary description, she enters into a play fight with her younger siblings in the new movie. Desiring to win against her brother, she pursues the contest with a ferocious seriousness. With an energetic stroke, she knocks the wooden sword from her brother’s hand, sending it flying into a mirror and breaking the glass. Hearing the commotion, her parents come into the room. When confronted by her father, Wendy’s brother is truthful. But what does Wendy do? To escape personal blame for her behavior, she accuses her siblings of breaking the mirror. After her father leaves, her brother calls her out for the lie. Unperturbed by her brother’s challenge and her own deceitful behavior, Wendy coolly replies, “You’re a pirate, aren’t you? It’s every man for himself.” So, what does that tell us? Wendy is both cruel and duplicitous, resembling much more J. M. Barrie’s literary description of her self-absorbed and less-than-honest father, George, the patriarch of the Darling family. Barrie’s description of him makes him more like the despised image certain feminists entertain of manhood. For example, had it not been for the cajoling of Mary Darling, none of the children would have been born. So Wendy comes by her lack of desire for children quite naturally through her father. He objected to children because they were too expensive; Wendy simply thinks that they are too much of a bother. Consequently, Wendy’s longsuffering mother seems to be more mature than both her husband and her eldest daughter. So it would appear that the movie has given to Wendy her father’s selfish and blustery personality that we find in Barrie’s book. And like her father, Wendy has no moral compunction about accusing others in order to avoid personal blame, something the compassionate Mary Darling would never dream of doing. Moreover, Wendy justifies taking advantage of her brother by saying, “It’s every man for himself.” And note, she does not say, “It’s everyone for himself or herself.” So, there are two things here: first, Wendy instinctively identifies as a man; second, moral rules don’t apply to her. How does her story arc progress? In Neverland, she learns how to be even more of a girl boss. We don’t see the feminine strength of her mother. What we see is masculine bluster. She bitch slaps Peter for being reckless, something we could imagine her father doing. With Tiger Lilly, she takes command of the Lost Boys and Girls as we might imagine a military commander doing in England’s colonial service. As a preteen, she fights off adult pirates who are more experienced with swords and physical combat but lack her Victorian entitlement. She saves Peter Pan, as does Tiger Lilly, because Peter Pan is weak and incompetent and cannot save himself. Then she brings the Lost Boys and Girls home to Victorian England, where those unprepared children will very likely face a dismal future in the orphanages and workhouses of that period, for her parents certainly lacked the resources to care for them. By taking them away from the magical Neverland, in no way did she do these children a favor. So, Wendy begins her arc as a liar and ends her ark condemning children to live in those places, as we learn in A Christmas Carol, that Scrooge supported with his taxes. But unlike Dicken’s character who is transformed by the events of the story, Wendy learns nothing at the movie’s end. Presumably, she simply embarks upon her “happy” life as an author, traveler, and adventurer-devoid of a husband and children--to achieve her goal: to die of old age, alone and forgotten. What an inspiring message to offer girls and young women.

I hate that they involved girls in the lost boys. Totally ruined it. 2003 Peter Pan said the girls were too smart to fall out of their prams, therefore couldn’t go to neverland. Perfect explanation. Was it ever explained how girls can now go to neverland in this version? Also now I must watch the 2003 one to forget this exists

I must honestly say that at the beginning I thought they chose the scenery at the beginning to be gloomy, to make Neverland so much more colorful, to create a contrast for the bleak reality and the lively fantasy. I don't think I need to mention how disappointed I was when we arrived in Neverland. Also, I don't think I've ever loathed a character cast in a fairy tale so much. The little brothers are non-existent and the Lost Boys were only there for one scene to establish that there are girls among them. I saw no friendship between them and no friendship with Peter Pan. And the fact that Wendy and Tinkerbell have no rivalry and thus Tinkerbell got no more scenes, took the last magic out of the film.

It breaks my heart how they've ruined one of my favorite childhood stories (literally, I've read the book, seen the movies, and watched the original stageplay at the Stratford Shakespeare Festival) and turned my number one favorite Disney animated girl into what amounts to a glorified vapid valley girl! You deserved so much better, Tink!

What made tiger lilly so respectable in the films was the fact that she didn't have to be some warrior to be a bad ass, in fact on the original film she would literally prefer to slowly drown then tell hook anything, and thats what made her so cool, her strength, her will and her loyalty

The writer hated Peter Pan. It's the only explanation

And you wonder why this went STRAIGHT to streaming. Even Disney wasn’t confident about this performing well in theater 🤣

I just realized something... Once Upon A Time's version of Peter Pan is seemingly more likeable than this version's... And that version was supposed to be the villain...

Seemes like the creators of the 2023 version were severely depressed.

watched this movie with my mother as we were both fans of the 1950's animated film. I had said to my mom "the opening shots of the island that the castaways live at on Survivor is more exciting than the opening shot of Neverland is".

"No, this magic belongs to no boy!" - I have seen this line feautured in so many videos, and each time, I'm left with the feeling of "... really, this? This is the best take they had?". Kind of says a lot.

No, it's not! Stop it! It's easily one of the best films out there. CAN'T YOU SEE THE PASSION IN THE PROJECT?! THEY DID THIS FOR US! HOW DARE Y- oh yeah you're right. It's awful.

This movie is an example of why you should never try to fix something that isn’t broken.

I find it hilarious that the fantastic reveal for Neverland in Peter Pan and Wendy is literally a looming, foreboding island foreshadowing its absence of beauty, wonder or exuberance. It honestly makes the Elephant Graveyard look like Disney Land in comparison.

That ain’t tinker bell, she had her black friend sub in for her, since she didn’t want her image attached to this sh*t

I wish Disney didn't ruin everything

I remember when Hook cast Julia Roberts as TinkerBell and so many people were not happy with the choice because Julie was not 'pixie enough' to pull off the roll. She is a great actress tho, so it was forgivable. However, she also had speaking lines, but was also silly and cute and mischievous like Tink is supposed to be. From what I've seen in these clips alone, this Tink does nothing but duck face and blend into the background the entire movie. Sound fun... -_- Also, as a side note, no one seem to point out- the Disney animated version of PeterPan- was a redhead....

I thought you were exaggerating how neverland looks terrible. Couldn't stop laughing when I saw the lump of coal😂

Comically "you saved part of the day" is something the actual Peter Pan would say to preserve his ego.

"This Magic belongs to no boy." F off film

in 2003 they made better CG then 2023. this is bad time for Disney.

Disneys plan to make the old movies look even greater is working well 😜

I feel like Disney might have lost their touch

It's crazy how back in the day, seeing the Disney logo as a kid, I knew I was in for a treat. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

The thing that I really didn't like about this movie was Wendy's personality. She's supposed to be a bright-eyed girl who doesn't want to grow up and forget about the magic. She's also supposed to be a sweet and kind person. This Wendy felt more like Jane from return to Neverland, and she wasn't even as interesting as Jane. At least Jane had an interesting reason for acting the way she did. Jane had a very interesting dynamic with Peter, which was fun to watch. All that is missing from this Wendy. I must say I did like smee though.

Reminds me of their live action Mulan and how badly they messed up what a strong woman looks like. The original story is about a relatable, yet very flawed woman, who is STRONG because she uses her intelligent to overcome obstacles and also loves her father enough to risk her life to save him. And Disney decides to make the new Mulan a naturally gifted, magical, prodigy with superhuman abilities to use Chi..........completely missing what made Mulan amazing... that she wasnt extra special, she was just special and brave in her own way and still helped turn the tide of a war.......ruining the entire concept that "one man (person) can be the difference." I cant be Mulan, you cant Mulan anymore. Disney has lost any real sense of what makes a woman strong or likeable or relatable. It's sad.

When Wendy was seen floating, I really REALLY wanted one of the pirates to just pull out a gun and shoot her before saying a witty "PARRY THIS YOU FUCKING CASUAL!" (I know Pirates don't know how to say fucking and shit like that, but it would be so funny).

I honestly just hate the color palette of these remakes, Disney is so lazy with their cgi they need to douse all these movies in browns and greens. At least Tim Burton’s Alice In Wonderland has some creative direction and color. The scenes are so dark it seems like they’ve went to purgatory in these new movies.

2003 Peter Pan feels me with child-like whimsey every single time I watch it. It's such a good movie. And the flying soundtrack! It's on my Happy Song Playlist.

The gloomy and dark picture is exactly what I got when I saw the new mermaid trailer. It seemed more like a horror movie than a children's movie. The most colorful setting on earth, the ocean, and they make it look like it's filmed in an abyss. I doubt it's a coincidence that movies are becoming "darker" especially movies targeted for children. Neverland looks like Hades.

It’s so refreshing hearing a woman call out this horrendous BS. Thank you.

I honestly think they didn't want Tinkerbell to glow to avoid setting off skin tone freaks on twiiter and who would accuse them of whitewashing if the light made her look more white. For the cgi glow to work it would have to be an oversaturation causing her to look more lighter shade of brown otherwise it would be a lot of awkward rotoscoping that would look wonky and very obvious because human subconsciously know how light reflects off skin and other objects. I still remember how they harassed a pokemon fan artist because she drew the black gym leader Nessa few shade paler.

Neverland looks so depressing in that shot, I thought it was Skull Island at first.

I was so ready for Wendy to say "I'm Wendy Pan" and she turns on her lightsaber.

I find it strange that Disney has had such a strong track record of being strict as FUCK about the quality of their movies to being this clueless about what people want. Heads would be rolling if Walt was still alive.

I was wondering how they made it possible to suck so badly I felt depressed watching the whole movie

Looks like they wanted a "realistic" fairytale. A REALISTIC FAIRYTALE. Yes, that's the joke 🙄

It’s funny bc she looks like Irdisa- we already had a black fairy- it’s funny how Disney seems to purposely avoid remaking already diverse characters

Gurl was just ruthless on roasting Wendy. I loved it 😂❤

I have a son. I would never show him this film, or any of Disney's recent oeuvre. I want him to see films with good characters, where boys aren't treated like garbage. This Girl Boss BS that's taken over Hollywood can't die fast enough.

Letting Tiger Lilly keep speaking her language would have been so easy. Just make it so that everyone on the island understands her anyway. Wendy to Peter: "Why do I understand her?" Peter: "This is Neverland. Here, we understand any language"

Hook was a perfect way to show how to rework Peter Pan story with new additional content and be good.