Sonos Arc with Sub Mini? Sure or not?

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The Sonos Arc is the flagship Atmos capable soundbar from Sonos. If you wanted the best, this will be what you'd want to get.
The Sub Mini, is the smaller, cheaper sub woofer from Sonos. If you bought the highest end soundbar, would you be able to benefit from their most budget subwoofer? Let's find out today.
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@toc1124 5 ай бұрын

Paired my Arc with the Sub Mini and 2 Era 300 sorrounds. The sound is so refined.

@tonypate9046 5 ай бұрын

I have gen 2 sub with arc and 2 era 300's as surrounds. My living room in total is about 300sq ft but this includes an extension. The listening area is about 160 sq ft. Would the sub mini still be OK. Would I notice any improvement with a later generation? Any comments welcome.

@toc1124 5 ай бұрын

@@tonypate9046 A sub mini would be good for that room size in my opinion but I depends on your preference. I prefer my bass crisp and not overpowered. If you prefer heavy bass, stick with the sub gen 3.

@tonypate9046 5 ай бұрын

Thanks

@habsfan9383 5 ай бұрын

This video sold me on this setup, I have the Arc and two Sonos One SLs, I want better bass and live in a small house. Did you notice improvements in the Mids and Lows on the Arc when the Sub was added?

@toc1124 5 ай бұрын

@@habsfan9383 Oh for sure. It's night and day when you compare the mids and highs of an arc+ sub with just an arc. Don't forget your trueplay.

@Giorgos_ks 5 ай бұрын

Hi Peter! Please do your best settings for the Arc + Sub mini. There are many of us who have this combination. 😁

@cubeg3271 5 ай бұрын

Totally agree - would love to know his ideal settings for this setup since so many of us have it.

@Drgnrt 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, agreed!

@geraldwagner8739 5 ай бұрын

Agreed 👍

@MrLawrenceflowers 5 ай бұрын

For what you’ve done for my home audio system, I hear by cast my vote to put you in the Internet Hall of Fame ✨🏆🫡

@yonkocommander5531 5 ай бұрын

Just run trueplay with an iOS device, those are the best settings for your specific listing space

@bobbubevski2719 5 ай бұрын

Awesome Pete, been dying for this combo

@averagejoeinvestor8770 5 ай бұрын

I have the Arc with the Sub Mini and I find the sound to be excellent, I also bought 2 x One SL used which add some good surround for movies, will upgrade to the Era 300 when they are priced at £300 :)

@LibertyRPF 5 ай бұрын

Thank. I have an Arc and was wondering about adding a Mini, so this video is extremely useful to me.

@MDrives 5 ай бұрын

I love your vides. Great to see all the graphs. I just bought arc and mini sub and it blew my mind coming from a 5.1 setup.

@pritzp33 3 ай бұрын

Thanks Peter. Amazing how you go into so much depth for seemingly niche questions but you're helping out loads of people! Keep em coming

@nealpatel9201 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the technical explanation Peter! It was both interesting and helpful!

@Drgnrt 5 ай бұрын

Really appreciate your videos! Just got an Arc with Sub Mini based on your recommendation and I'm pretty amazed by the deep bass and overall sound clarity (upgraded from Polk Signa S3).

@SkyNet1506 5 ай бұрын

Great first video for 2024! 🎊

@peterhelbers9169 5 ай бұрын

Hi Peter, thank you for this review and your advice/observations. It confirms what I had in mind when I bought the SONOS sub-MINI with SONOS ARC and 2 off ERA300 in April last year. The Sub MINI is pushing up the base enough in a stable lower power range. This SONOS setup was for me a superb investment. Keep up the good advice. Greetings from Belgium.

@nest1000 5 ай бұрын

I have this set up, for smaller room sounds amazing

@seankyh 5 ай бұрын

This is exactly my setup. Arc + Submini. Bought the Sub to free the Arc from bass duties. Very happy with it. I never saw the need to add surround. My room is quite small and the Arc does a good enough job of simulating sounds coming from beside and even behind me. Particularly when there is Dolby Atmos. I also get to enjoy Spatial Audio from Apple Music, played thru AppleTV over eARC.

@blurkia84 5 ай бұрын

trust me, i thought the same earlier too. then now i have the arc, sub, then the ones.. 🤣

@giacintorenta7579 5 ай бұрын

Add the surrounds, it is revolutionary. If you enjoy Atmos content, then go for the Era 300

@robertrichman6873 5 ай бұрын

@@blurkia84 - I too, started out with the Arc, then added a sub (the Sub Gen 3), amazed with the difference it made, and yet it wasn't until after adding a pair of One SLs for surround - this was prior to the the release of the newer Ones and Fives - that my room was filled with the kind of sound dispersement I knew SONOS was capable of. And all for a 15x10 space. To original commenter: Get surrounds!

@AndrewC89 5 ай бұрын

Trust me, buy a set of surrounds, it makes music and movies so much nicer. I have an Arc, Sub mini, and a pair of one SLs.

@vladislavgaitukaev3919 5 ай бұрын

Dear Peter. Thank you so much for the video. It’s confirmed my choice to combine for cinema Arc+Sub Mini and another my setup for music are 2*Five + Sub Gen3

@kobetext1758 5 ай бұрын

Thank you Peter, fully agreed to have sub (preferred to have duo sub, that way the bass can be distributed more evenly) before upgrading to surround set up. Keep up the good work!

@erlinchavarria5732 5 ай бұрын

Saludos Peter, Buen trabajo… Saludos desde Suecia , tenemos un grupo Sonos y siempre les recomiendo tus vídeos a todos los del grupo.

@TrashfordKent 5 ай бұрын

I’ve been more than happy with the sub mini paired with a beam but I think I’ll move to the Arc. This video answers my question 👍

@irap1269 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. I had an issue unrelated to the sub-mini and was speaking with Sonos tech support. When they reviewed my configuration (this is is my bedroom), a Sonos Arc, two rear Sonos One, Gen 2, and a sub-mini, they told me that the sub mini was not designed to be paired with the arc and I was hurting my sound quality. They strongly encouraged me to upgrade to the larger Sonos sub. I have the larger sub, an arc, and two Eros 300 in my larger living room, but to my ear the sub-mini worked well in my bedroom. It is is good to get conformation that I am enriching not harming my bedroom listening experience,.

@Ali_Shafai 5 ай бұрын

Happy New Year!! Peter 😊 Have a great year 🙏🏽

@pedrorodrigues7047 5 ай бұрын

Excelent and interesting video, thanks!

@dennissmit1399 4 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot Peter for your information in this video! Because of this video i bought the Sub Mini to go with my Arc. I ordered the era 300’s as well, as everybody speaks highly of them, to substitute my One SL’s. I just finished my true play and just had to come straight back here to tell everybody who reads this how awesome the sounds is!!! My Arc “breaths” better and the bass is incredible in my 52m2 / 560 sqft living room and the spatial audio tracks of Apple Music are like visiting a club / concert/ operahouse! If anybody doubts the power of the mini, don’t! It is truely a brilliant addition to the system ❤. The Era’s are like everybody says, great! A real step up from the One SL’s. Real room filling speakers! Thanks Peter for everything! And everybody here, have a great time listening to your awesome soundsystem! 😊

@ElJonathano 5 ай бұрын

Good video! I wouldve liked a Sub Gen3 curve as well for comparison

@damien8747 5 ай бұрын

Great video, Thanks

@godzillaganja 5 ай бұрын

"sub mini is me" 😂 great explanation and technical information!

@therealvictorpo 4 ай бұрын

Great! Finally got the Sub Mini yesterday. Finally got a deal at 1/3 off from TCA. So chuffed to complete the set with the Beam and One SL. Cheers PP.

@StevenvanderGraaf 5 ай бұрын

Got the Arc and 2 Era 300’s with the sub mini. Before it was the big Sub but it was to loud and it was -5 bass all the time. With the sub mini is so much better. Especially on lower volumes the sound quality is superb. On higher volumes it’s also tip top.

@vladislavgaitukaev3919 5 ай бұрын

Great! So what is the level of Sub Mini now?

@beatboxerjonasz2 Ай бұрын

Veryy interesting. Thank you.

@lukea4572 5 ай бұрын

We had a Beam + Sub Mini + 2 SL1s , and I spent a bonus upgrading to the Arc last year. The Arc is major improvement in sound quality, and this set up works fine in a typically small ( by U.S standards ) UK lounge. Volume is usually only set between 28-38. The only downside is that I do always have the “ah but what if I had a Gen3” in the back of my mind, a but I can’t see that need it, at the volume that I listen.

@user-mz6lt2pr9s 5 ай бұрын

I had 2 separate systems for my main TVs with a sub mini paired with a Beam 2 and they sound excellent for TV and even good for streaming music.

@AudiophileTommy 5 ай бұрын

🎉 HAPPY NEW YEAR Peter 🎉 Can you show us a video on sub placement in a room ?

@jjohnson92784 5 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@RedaP1982 5 ай бұрын

Amazing, I still want the Devialet Phantom 1

@Birmingham_racing 5 ай бұрын

I've got the mini with my arc. It's not powerful obviously but definitely makes a difference and quality of the bass is impressive

@XeRzclanPR 5 ай бұрын

Ive had the mini paired with the Arc since the mini’s release. I dont have any complaints

@lololololololol444 5 ай бұрын

I was convinced I didn't need a sub until I watched this video. Will def get it next black Friday.

@armandsant1143 5 ай бұрын

Cmon 2024 👏🏼

@TC-sm8rc 5 ай бұрын

I have the arc and the sub mini and have beem running with that for 12 months but it needs to go up a couple of levels. So i am picking up 2 x era 100s to add to my setup. I have held out from watching movies like top gun, jack reacher and certain music till i add the era's. Cant wait

@geraldwagner8739 5 ай бұрын

I did exactly that. First I bought the Sonos Arc, then the sub mini and finally completed that system with two Sonos One SL as rear speakers.

@jasoncolliver3648 5 ай бұрын

Should get the eras for the surrounds. My setup is the same but for the eras as back channels and it's amazing!

@geraldwagner8739 5 ай бұрын

@@jasoncolliver3648 I‘m content with my setup. Thank you!

@AndrewC89 5 ай бұрын

@@jasoncolliver3648I live in a small one bedroom apartment and a set of era 300s just isn’t feasible, they’d take up way too much space. My One SLs fit neatly on my couch end tables and don’t require any stands.

@chance0marasso 5 ай бұрын

The sub mini is amazing. I have 2 sonos 1s and a sub mini in my bedroom for music listening. And a full arc setup in my living room my plan is when the new arc comes out moving the first arc to my room and being fully spoiled.

@b1nzy 5 ай бұрын

Great video Peter, I’ve been waiting for this to drop. This is my set up. What are your recommended EQ settings for this set up (no surrounds) ??

@HenkvanVersendaal 4 ай бұрын

I added a Sub Mini to my surround setup with Beam Gen 2 and 2 Play:1's as surrounds and I am very pleased with the sound overall. I also added the Sub Mini to my Era 100 stereo set but then placement of the sub becomes crucial. Because the Sub Mini takes care of the lower frequencies the Era's sound thinner so the Sub Mini has to be placed somewhat in the middle to blend better with the Era's. I also would like the Sub Mini to be "more movable"... what I mean is when you want to use the Sub with music you have to remove it from from your Home Theater setup, add it to your stereo set, lose Trueplay Tuning settings, tune again... it is just too much hassle..

@chrisgarciart 5 ай бұрын

I returned era 300s as rears since they didn’t get a price cut for the holidays so instead I picked up a mini for my beam gen 2. I agree, the soundbar sounds better and the bass impacts makes a huge difference. I miss the atmos immersion but it’ll just have to wait. Can’t justify $950 just for that at the moment.

@patrickmeylemans9627 5 ай бұрын

You are explaining things so that we understand it, very nice as always. I have 2 SONOS 5's gen2 and thinking of adding a sub gen3. Will it work and will it improve the quality of my system, knowing that the 5's are already giving good lows.

@JesseCampbell0 5 ай бұрын

I've been thinking about this too... I have 5's in the kitchen, play 3's in the family room, symfonisk panel speakers in the bedroom, and an arc on the TV with a pair of play1's for surround. When I get a discount code, i'm thinking to get 2x sub minis instead of 1 full size sub

@xXxM4nuxXx 5 ай бұрын

Hi Peter, thanks for your infos. Just a small observation at 16:10 you forgot to update the graph description and remained with yellow and red instead of blue and green.

@dominoxzz 5 ай бұрын

Have the sub mini and the bigger brother sub gen 3. I am under the impression that the sub mini is lacking if you like to turn the volume up, watch Dolby atmos movies or music with a lot of oomph on a higher volume. On lower volumes the difference becomes negligible, but I’d still advise to save up a bit more and get the bigger subwoofer. The difference in quality as it gets louder is huge.

@ejzihlman 5 ай бұрын

Thanks as always. In a corner of my bedroom I have a tv and recliner. I have the arc below the tv and the sub mini and two Sonos ones behind me and the sound is glorious. Do you think the Sonos headphones will be released this spring? Thanks for all you do.

@dosomestuff1949 5 ай бұрын

regarding the response curve at 7:20, this seems to be an issue, well "issue" with the sub mini as well, where as you increase the volume, even the sub mini isnt able to keep up with the arc, and the bass gets pulled back significantly. When I first experienced this I thought I was loosing my marbles, but this makes so much sense. This is why I feel like the gen 3 is much more suited for the arc

@mickdenley 5 ай бұрын

I've been driving myself mad recently trying to find a definitive answer to this question. I've recently paired an ARC with 2 era 300's and up until this point everyone everywhere is saying get the gen 3 but this video has all but convinced me that the mini would do just fine for my setup so thank you for the video and for saving me £400 haha.

@DigitalJunior2003 5 ай бұрын

Peter Tyson on eBay were selling sub for £279

@dihydrotestosterone 5 ай бұрын

I have sub mini and it's more than enough...

@liratv4977 5 ай бұрын

It depends quite heavily on the size of the room. I originally purhased the sub mini for my medium-large room due to the hype. The sound was ok but not nearly enough. Returned it for the sub 3 and it is audio bliss. For a small room tho, the mini would be beautiful.

@bobwalters9151 5 ай бұрын

I have to chime in on this… the sub mini sounds amazing with the arc, and the era 300’s 👍 I had the GEN 3 sub, and I actually like how the arc sounds with the sub mini! but that’s just my opinion

@mickdenley 5 ай бұрын

@@liratv4977 my room isn't massive to be fair it's nice and square though haha my current setup is more than enough but I just feel I'm missing the low end (movies & Music) it's more so to free up some of the processing power from the arc more than to rattle my house to the ground so feel the sub mini would be the ideal solution I'm surprised at the response from my comment, as I've said everywhere I look people are saying the mini is a no no with the arc, but it would seem that this is not the case thanks to Peter pee and his videos people can get real life solutions to people that have got real world feedback.

@fpv-droneracing3077 5 ай бұрын

Nice video as always👍. I have this setup with 2 one’s. I keep asking myself if the sub gen3 gives a diffent bass? I heard music at a store with the sub gen 3 and it had way better base then the mini. Although i play more movies. Is the bass sound different between the two subs??

@innocentrage1 Ай бұрын

I live in a townhouse and dont want my neighbors to hate me so i got a sub mini with an arc and some foam pads on the wall

@adamstalmach4874 5 ай бұрын

Hi. Great video! Will it work with playbar and 2x play 3?

@AudiophileTommy 5 ай бұрын

Hi Peter ! Can you give us your take on the upcoming Dolby Atmos Flex Connect ? And how it will affect the Sonos system .

@patrickbaddoo4288 5 ай бұрын

Have you heard of the new Sonos products coming out this year? I read online there is a new soundbar called “Lasso.” Also, a new sub, Roam Gen 2, new ceiling speakers, and a new amplifier

@bradvuong 2 ай бұрын

Hi Peter, do you have a video that shows the optimal settings for the Arc paired with the Sub Mini?

@johnselzer2804 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this informative video. My setup is an Arc,2X300s, and Sub Gen3. I live in a NYC apartment and the TV Room is approximately 15’ X 25’ with 14’ ceilings. However, one wall of the TV Room is completely open to the Living Room, which is quite spacious. I have “hidden” my Sub beside a sofa which is only about 2’ from the opposite side of the open “wall” to the Living Room. I have always felt that I have been strangling the bass from the Sub because it is hidden beside the sofa with little space to breathe. Do you think it would be beneficial to move the Sub to the other side of the sofa where there is no real wall since it is open to the Living Room? Part of me feels that I am strangling the Sub response and that I would even be better with a Sub Mini if I am going to keep a sub where it is presently.

@tenzinaangson5437 5 ай бұрын

I am starting to think about replacing my sub gen 3 for the sub mini. I have around 350 sq ft open space for tv (arc, sub gen3 , 2 era300 surround setup) and dining area (OneSL stereo pair). Mostly low to midrange volume. Would a sub mini be a better fit compared to the gen 3? What do you think?

@CheeSiongOh 5 ай бұрын

Hi Peter, great video.. I have a sonos arc..thinking to get a sub mini or sub gen 3. I mainly watch TV and movie..and sometimes listen to music. TV and sofa beside balcony. Better to get which? Thank you

@Dando-1983 5 ай бұрын

Hopefully they allow us to have x2 sub minis then Peter can do a load more tests 😊

@laynesmith9077 5 ай бұрын

I would like to know if its true that the sub mini paired with the arc will actually crossover some dialogue to the sub because of its higher crossover compared to gen 3.

@brendawells7025 5 ай бұрын

Hey Pete so I have the original Sonos system which I have the sub and the player with two rears so for Xmas I upgraded to arc but my rears won’t work the sub does but would you keep the older sub ? And upgrade rears to two era 300 or upgrade the sub and if so to which sub thanks for any help

@MSick174 5 ай бұрын

Peter, Can you please pair the Era 100s with your bedroom's setup and touch base on the virtualized 7.1.4 aspect. I have Beam Gen 2 and Sub Mini and thinking of adding surround to my setup.

@Surf4lyfe 5 ай бұрын

How’s the latest update on Sonos? Good to go and safe to update?

@anildsouza4117 5 ай бұрын

How can I off the bass from beam gen 2 as I have sub gen 3 Anu want the bass to come only from sub3

@letdoit 5 ай бұрын

Can mix sub Gen 3 with sub mini pair with Sonos Arc?

@Gohjunyi88 5 күн бұрын

do u recommend mini + ARC or sony bar 9 with sw5?

@ZachWeisman Ай бұрын

Hi… I have 450 sqft room with 9.5 foot ceilings with Sonos arc plus 2 in wall Sonos rears. Two questions. 1) can I power the in-walls with an older S2 capable Connect Amp? 2) I don’t usually like a lot of bass. It hurts my ears and makes me uncomfortable. I usually keep subwoofers at very low volume. With that said, do you think a Sub Mini would be ok for me? Thanks!!

@Muddzdk 5 ай бұрын

I have a couple of questions: 1) Does the Sonos Sub Mini and Sub Gen 3 both output the same Hz of low frequency at very low "night-time" volume? 2) Is the Sonos Sub mini still very good in a 398.26 sqfeet open living-room+kitchen where 30% of of it is the Home theater area?

@liratv4977 5 ай бұрын

This sounds similar to my setup. Sub mini was smooth nice sound, but not quite enough for the space. The sub g3 is much better for the open space. Hope that helps!

@dihydrotestosterone 5 ай бұрын

I have ARC with sub mini and 2 Era 100. Wish Sonos would allow for a second sub mini... from a business standpoint it doesn't make sense.. I ain't gonna buy the big one but I would gladly add a second sub mini ( sealed by the way not ported like the big one) let's hope they come up with a firmware update...😂😂😂

@car7000 22 күн бұрын

I have a small room, like 3m x 3m, is a sonos arc too much for such a small room? I was thinking on get a sub mini as well, but I'm not sure about surrounds, due to space

@pl4ever007 4 ай бұрын

@PeterPee Hi Peter Can we pair one Sonos sub gen 3 and sub mini together with an Arc system?! And is it possible to add a pair of era 300 to the same system?! Thanks in advance

@kevinortiz28 5 ай бұрын

Why does volume 30 dobly digital and donly atmos sound different than volune 30 stereo pcm

@Beer_Dad1975 5 ай бұрын

I originally had my Arc paired with a Sub Mini in my media room - but it's a fairly big room and it just wasn't cutting it for movie emersion for me, so I returned the Sub Mini to the living room and bought a Sub Gen 3 to pair with the Arc and Era 300's - it's night and day difference between the two as the Gen 3 you can feel the bass in your body - it's much more theatrical - whereas the Sub Mini just can't do that. The Sub Mini is fantastic for music though - I have it paired with a Beam Gen 2 and 2 Sonos Ones in the living room, and mostly the duty they serve is background music and occasional serious listening (sometimes for TV too), and for me it's just spot on for that. I'm trying to decide if I should get a second Sub Gen 3 for the media room - my Aunt for some reason bought the same setup as my media room for her pretty small living room, then found that she had to turn the Sub Gen 3 off because it was just too overwhelming (which I would have told her if she'd asked) - thinking I might offer her some cash for the unused sub gen 3...

@michael-4k4000 5 ай бұрын

Its happening

@wojtek9592 5 ай бұрын

New Sonos speakers are avible

@anildsouza4117 5 ай бұрын

I don’t even enjoy music it’s sounds dull .. But movies r good

@toonlad4091 5 ай бұрын

Meh….if you go for the sub mini with and Arc…you are a peasant!!!! Shush with the “but my room is small”….then why buy the Arc? The beam is a better solution for you. Don’t be a peasant, save and get the Sub that matches your sound bar.