Petrochemicals - can we survive without them?

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Petrochemicals - can we survive without them?

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Petrochemicals dominate every aspect of our daily lives. Without them, the vast majority of people in western industrialised countries would perish very quickly. Nature has shown us how to produce all the chemicals we need for our modern day lifestyles without digging up any more oil. The question is are we smart enough to harness natures gift, and wise enough to use it sustainably?
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@oisiaa 3 жыл бұрын

LOVE this channel! You are talking about the big issues that nobody in the mainstream is even thinking about.

@kylelopez9640 3 жыл бұрын

I love you and this channel. Information without a political slant is increasingly rare these days. This is a valuable service that should be larger than it is

@offgridwanabe 3 жыл бұрын

I guess it depends on who signs your paycheck whether this channel is political or not

@kylelopez9640 3 жыл бұрын

OffGrid Wanabe that’s the problem

@kylelopez9640 3 жыл бұрын

OffGrid Wanabe science isn’t a political apparatus except when it is. Lol

@bazoo513 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, nowadays everything is political. If it is fact-based, it will be accused of being "politically motivated". When it is "alt-fact" based, it is paid for by the other. That's quite simple.

@offgridwanabe 3 жыл бұрын

@@bazoo513 I agree but denial of facts seems to be common place with a lot of people, How can this be is the world flat lol

@rogerbarton497 3 жыл бұрын

I thought was going to be all doom and gloom, but I'm encouraged by the amount of research that's going on.

@davecarlson9088 3 жыл бұрын

That's why we like him, no fearmongering, his videos are always hopeful. We can do this vs we're all going to die!!! I am wondering about breakdown after use, tossed on the side of the road, does it dissolved into a plant fertilizer in 5 years?

@apacheattackhelicopter8185 3 жыл бұрын

Yes but like he said, the cornerstone is land use. The amount of arable land in the world is finite while humans can reproduce endlessly. There should be a globally enforced 1 child policy, without it all efforts to stop climate change are doomed to fail.

@brianwheeldon4643 3 жыл бұрын

@@apacheattackhelicopter8185 Yes, I agree we do have to stop reproducing. Do you think as social justice, equity and fair share living standards are recognised & implemented that population levels will stabilise at lower levels as the European nations have demonstrated for a decade or more? Or we'll continue to increase despite the aforementioned? I don't know the probability, haven't worked the numbers or studied the subject. If we continue BAU we'll decline rapidly for certain starting in the next 15 years or so I would think, but that's another subject.

@apacheattackhelicopter8185 3 жыл бұрын

@@brianwheeldon4643 I think it depends on culture a lot. In countries where women are seen as equal to men and can get education and work, the birth rates will drop. But in countries where women are seen as inferior and only good for birthing children, they will remain high, e.g. Gulf and African countries. Also, even in European countries there needs to be an understanding that low birth rates are necessary. Right now they are bringing in African migrants and paying them child benefits to artificially inflate the birth rates.

@davecarlson9088 3 жыл бұрын

@@brianwheeldon4643 well, half the population have scared off all suitors. Ask how many men want a screaming Caren on their arm, the answer is zero problem solved. Some of our most psychotic leaders came from only child homes. China aborted almost a billion babies, all girls. They learned there weren't enough females for the number of men. A whole generation childless...

@Africanhorror 3 жыл бұрын

Industrial hemp is high in cellulose, uses less land and water, grows in 4 months and can restore damaged soil

@markplott4820 3 жыл бұрын

FORD motor made a car from HEMP , Stronger than Plastic.

@christopherellis2663 3 жыл бұрын

@@markplott4820 1937

@christopherellis2663 3 жыл бұрын

Same can be said for Flax, but that's not good enough for the trendoids

@Africanhorror 3 жыл бұрын

@Frenchpie you can grow it in arid/deforested/degraded land. It will restore the soil after 1 yr then you can plant trees there and start again in another area There's about 5 billion acres of deforested and desertified land around the world

@mmmk6322 3 жыл бұрын

Lol you guys actually think we can manage the climate by reducing production and changing materials. The only way is by nuclear fission and fusion to supply enough energy for carbon capture and geoengineering. These ideas of switching away from petrochemicals is reaching for your left ear with your right hand

@ronkirk5099 3 жыл бұрын

In U.S. pulp mills, the lignin which is dissolved in the spent pulping chemical is burned in boilers to produce steam to heat the pulping process and to spin turbines to generate electricity to power the mill so it isn't really wasted. During the lignin burning process, the pulping chemical is converted back to a sulfate for reuse in the mill. As far as making polymers from green plants is concerned, I worry that our industrial agriculture is already unsustainable due to surface and groundwater depletion, excessive soil erosion and reduced rainfall due to climate change. Granted if we weren't using so much our corn crop in the U.S. for ethanol production (a loser energy wise), we could feed more people, but even our current corn production is unsustainable. I'm old so I won't likely to see the crunch that comes in 10-20 years when world population reaches 9-10 billion, but I worry for future generations.

@weldonyoung1013 3 жыл бұрын

Well said !

@anywhereroam9698 3 жыл бұрын

Don’t worry a war will probably wipe a bunch out before then. Joking!

@Kevin_Street 3 жыл бұрын

I think you've really got something there, SheepTrees. Could that sort of thing be done on an industrial scale?

@Kevin_Street 3 жыл бұрын

So these algae farms would be right on the coast? It sounds like they need to be as close as possible to the sea for easy access to saltwater. The areas you mention certainly have a lot of arid land next to oceans.

@Kevin_Street 3 жыл бұрын

If anything that should make it easier to eventually use algae farms for the production of different petrochemicals. All they'd have to do is change the refining technique at the end of the process.

@alexrosaen9616 3 жыл бұрын

Nice work! An additional challenge: as we use less oil for energy, it will become cheaper, making it harder to stop using it for other uses.

@mackfisher4487 3 жыл бұрын

David, new tier channel I wanted to thank you for making me think about the important topics that you raise. Your videos are well organized and the subject matter will presented, your pronunciation chemical names is remarkable. When selecting products I usually just recognize the word and don't even try to pronounce them.

@JustHaveaThink 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mack. I really appreciate your support. All the best. Dave

@Yanquetino 3 жыл бұрын

You've become my weekly enciclopedia reading, Dave! I've commented in Patreon, as I find the trolls are taking over KZfaq, just like Twitter.

@JustHaveaThink 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark. I'll head over to Patreon after checking out all the comments here :-)

@njm3211 3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget asphalt for pavement and roofing products. All petrochemicals.

@BrantAxt 3 жыл бұрын

Yes but it's not part of the "top 3" that he mentions in this video because 98% of asphalt is recycled

@MajorMalfunction 3 жыл бұрын

@@BrantAxt It's also the "tailings". The leftovers after distillation. It's a "waste" product, but it's useful for roads.

@jimbob-jn6jz 3 жыл бұрын

@@MajorMalfunction Its useful for lowering earth albido which is really bad.

@wezy002 3 жыл бұрын

I love this channel, well researched, but still understable for a non-expert without a politacal angle. Thank you for your service.

@gianluigicassin868 3 жыл бұрын

As a chemist and working in the coating and polymer business, I had a look at some of the monomers you mentioned (FDCA and itaconic) and they worked as well as the petrol counterparts. That was a couple of years ago and the price point and the availability were the bottlenecks. I guess with economy of scale they may be overcome. As several other topics, they really get a boost when some new legislation forces producers to use alternatives, lika what is happening with bisphenol and the like.

@arturoeugster2377 2 жыл бұрын

AS A CHEMIST, Gianluigi, you must know that any plant through photosynthesis must capture, through the stomata 1.467 kg of your dreaded co2 in the air for every kg glucose it produces. How about having a think, considering that the co2 content is 0.49 Gram/m³ air.

@gianluigicassin868 2 жыл бұрын

@@arturoeugster2377 yeah, photosynthesis takes CO2 from the air and produces sugars, when sun light is available. Modern building blocks, like those I mentioned, can be made via enzymatic catalysis, accelerating natural paths dramatically. Some raw material producers are now marketing those. The only issue, still is price

@arturoeugster2377 2 жыл бұрын

@@gianluigicassin868 I am all for efficiency or other improvements , that includes tasks , which have just a potential, to be realized with a key invention, not apparent at the time.. Our problem, is the accute lack of co2 content in the low density air, due to high elevation and higher than standard temperatures 0.22 grams/m³. The region has 10^6 empoverised people. The threat of negative co2 growth, as planned must be taken seriously. So, supplemental local co2 addition is a doable approach. Bolivians have never been able to win concessions from any Power. Any way the construction of a continious supply of housing is happening, and the normal cement production by the decalcification of lime stone produces large amounts of co2, that no Nation can deny us. a great deal threre of will be dedicated to plastic enclosed tents. The relocation of cement factories to the region, supports 2 activities. Building and Feeding. All options are open.

@earlgibbs7083 3 жыл бұрын

Our ever-increasing addiction to energy consumption per capita is our species' existential downfall. In other words, infinite growth on a finite planet is utter insanity for the possibility of a near term future for most life forms on earth.

@cobia1794 3 жыл бұрын

Earl, did you by chance learn the term 'existential' from those people that are now promoting the new term... 'Re-imagine' police reform... boy they use such big words and must be very smart!.. How's that working so far... I see more tree huggin Subaru drivers parking in front of my house running their car with the AC on, sometimes for an hour or more looking in their phone or viewing the eagles by the lake in front of my house on a warm day.. All the time.. WTF gives.. I've filled up twice since this wuflu shit started in my rig and I ain't not tree hugger, but retired existential professional beer drinker

@mdombroski 3 жыл бұрын

infinite stasis on a finite planet is the real malthusian insanity. BTW there are other planets with resources.

@robbenvanpersie1562 3 жыл бұрын

@@mdombroski we can't go there tho

@mdombroski 3 жыл бұрын

@@robbenvanpersie1562 Tell that to Elon Musk.

@PalimpsestProd 3 жыл бұрын

Damn it! At a quick glance I thought this said "Can we survive without Pterodactyls?"

@JustHaveaThink 3 жыл бұрын

Well obviously we can't survive without them ;-)

@Elviloh 3 жыл бұрын

It's actually about Pterodactlys juice to be precise.

@ashoakwillow 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, lots of positive developments thanks Dave, and that necessary note of caution about land use. It really does focus attention on our 'throw-away culture'. My parents didn't waste much back in the fifties and early sixties, and it looks like the culture has developed, with the assistance of the marketing industry, in the space of about 60 years, or around two generations. My resolution this year was to cut right back on buying drinks in plastic bottles, but i have been re-using these marvels of lightweight design time and time again when going out for exercise or outings. A further advantage is that the plasticiser (phalates etc) which infuses into the contents reduces with repeated use, as plasticises have been linked with health issues, such as the global fall in sperm count. Eventually bottles become brittle and crack, but i have yet to lose one this year.

@drlocums9509 3 жыл бұрын

I am jealous of how good you are this. These vids are fabulous.

@dewiz9596 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve certainly witnessed the pine forests of North Carolina, which seem to go from seedling to harvest in less than 30 years. I only recently learned that these harvested trees were largely going to pellet mills, to feed electricity production in Europe. I’m not a resident of NC, but have been travelling there for Spring Cycling since 1990 (this year excepted, for the obvious reasons). This has provided me with a kind of “stop action” movie of land use there. In addition to golf courses, a lot of land is being converted the Solar Farms. . . the one situated at Derby, NC, not far from Pinehurst, being the largest I’ve ever seen. Which gives me hope.

@f.demascio1857 3 жыл бұрын

Going to get the app now! Thanks!

@markt7663 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, especially for commenting on not rushing to solutions that may be worse than the problem.

@rlsingle00 3 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your content. Lots to think about. Please keep up the great work.

@colinc5269 3 жыл бұрын

I find myself watching the inbox for notification of your next ..........love the facts ...the un-political , unbiased and yet positive outlook on the worst our world has faced to date . It's the unseen elephant in the room . The money behind the reality of our world . The people and the planet comes second to profit. ..yet there is a glimmer of hope . You make my brain ache - but it's like your first taste of beer .......you seemingly have to come back for more. luv it .

@johanneskingma 3 жыл бұрын

@14:17 my moment of fame 😁. You make a magnificanft extremely informed channel. Thank you!

@leroybabcock6652 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent point about diving headlong without "just having a think"!

@vernonbrechin4207 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your in-depth research on this topic and your balanced presentation. One should note that the production of these alternative petro-chemical substitutes was not compared to the current monitory costs of the chemicals that they are intended to replace.

@Daniel-gq4vw 3 жыл бұрын

Of course yes. Bioengineering adn a renaissance in hemp use should replace most of plastics

@flodjod 3 жыл бұрын

and hemp can be a 3x a year crop in most regions

@gordonlawrence1448 3 жыл бұрын

There is already a biological alternative to plastic developed 30 years ago. Nobody w9ill use it as it's patented and they want to keep the money for themselves. I know one of the guys that worked on it.

@Elviloh 3 жыл бұрын

and algae !

@adam-g7crq 3 жыл бұрын

Hemp the magic weed probably one of the most useful plant ever one of strongest natural fibres, vegetable oil from its seeds can produce all sorts of things from that food or many other bio chemicals good nitrogen fixing crop the list goes on and on can grow in nearly every where even hydroponically, I find it funny that Dupont is getting into bio chemicals after probation in the states Dupont was one of the companies which helped ban hemp in the late 1920's

@gustavosantillan5242 3 жыл бұрын

No mention of Industrial Hemp on this video maybe is because a lot of people still ignorant about it

@ramblerandy2397 3 жыл бұрын

As a Rambler member [the clue is in the name], I seasonally receive "Walk" magazine. The last few issues have arrived in potato starch plastic bags and it has been thoroughly successful. I've kept the bags [they look identical, apart from telling me that they are NOT petrochemical plastic] and after a good period of leaving them aside, where they have been utterly stable, I am going to leave them in sunlight and leave them in water. Just to see what happens. They should degrade fairly quickly. Just one example of an excellent plant based chemical that completely replaces the petrochemical variety. Excellent video today Dave.

@JustHaveaThink 3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree Andy. We're changing over to starch based carrier bags at the place where I work, and I think they are a great solution where packing or bags are unavoidable.

@ramblerandy2397 3 жыл бұрын

@@JustHaveaThink From my experience I think the word needs to get out regarding potato starch wrapping. Get production ramped up. Hundreds of uses where it could replace plastic. 👍

@TheNightwalker247 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for actually considering the question of "we can do it but should we?" A lot of scientists forget that they should ask if they should not just if they could.

@BernardLS 3 жыл бұрын

TheNightwalker247 like the chemist who put lead in petrol and ozone depleter stuff in your refrigerator?

@danhammond8406 3 жыл бұрын

Edilus bamboo is a rich source of lignin and is also edible as shoots. It also grows up to 3 feet a day

@gordonlawrence1448 3 жыл бұрын

One of the things that drives me bat $hit crazy is that we had a solution for the nitrogen fertiliser issue in the Medieval period. At the time farmers just knew crop rotation was a good idea and that peas did something that made the next years crop of something else grow better. Now we know that a bacteria in the pea roots fixes nitrogen quite well. We have got out of the habit of eating as many peas as our ancestors did. If we paid the farmers a decent amount for them and ate peas instead of some other forms of carbohydrates that would be far better than artificial fertilisers. Yes they have a much lower percentage of carbs than many other carbs sources but that would be a good thing for many people.

@expressionoffreedom7165 3 жыл бұрын

You're right, but you could just eat more peas and if you convinced other people to do that, you'd naturally adjust supply and demand. If nobody bought corn it's price would collapse.

@Elviloh 3 жыл бұрын

@@expressionoffreedom7165 If nobody bought corn its price would explode, because its production would reflect the consumption, so it would become rare and expensive. But corn is mainly used for the livestock, isn't it ?

@zakuro8532 3 жыл бұрын

peas and beans are tasty

@expressionoffreedom7165 3 жыл бұрын

@@Elviloh if everybody ate more peas they have to eat less meat as well.

@chrisdaniels3929 3 жыл бұрын

I thought you were going to state that urine is the best fertiliser of all the organic additives for soil, (blood etc). Not fully utilised these days. Don't they put those nutrients in the rivers? But no. A different variety of pee.

@asicninad5265 3 жыл бұрын

This is wonderful information. Thank you for creating this content!

@kirtg1 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for your videos

@DutchAussieProductions 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video. You have a new subscriber. You keep me busy watching your videos.

@expressionoffreedom7165 3 жыл бұрын

I'm really starting to like your channel.

@evilotto9200 3 жыл бұрын

lacks the existential horror or rabid denial populating other climate change platforms

@expressionoffreedom7165 3 жыл бұрын

@@evilotto9200 Dosent really matter how you feel about it as long as something gets done. Most people only react through fear. It's the easiest emotion to manipulate. The problems the same either way.

@sergior. 3 жыл бұрын

@@evilotto9200 oh there's some existential horror too, just not as much thankfully

@avejst 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video as always Thanks for sharing :-)

@abdulmuheeth9842 3 жыл бұрын

Keep up the good work mr. Really good content all your videos are👍👍

@petermiller7410 3 жыл бұрын

your video's are absolutely amazing super informative

@Bunbaroness 3 жыл бұрын

"Nice try, Kaiba, but I activate the Trap Card DEPOLYMERIZATION! This converts the lignins in your wood and straw into flavorings, antioxidants, and polyamides!"

@istvanmeszaros4112 3 жыл бұрын

Such a great channel!!! Thank you for all this great research!

@starwarsman2709 3 жыл бұрын

Great video as usual thx

@Kevin_Street 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video! And respect for pronouncing all those chemical names so well. I'm more of a physics guy, so this petrochemical stuff seems like magic to me. Figuring out appropriate land management techniques for the production of the feed stock will be critical, of course. But I wonder if at least some of the feed stocks could eventually be grown from genetically engineered bacteria in "bioreactors" or something similar. There's a push to make agriculture more scientific and managed with things like vertical farming, so maybe the same could be done for petrochemicals.

@DavidBrown-gb7ro 3 жыл бұрын

Great videos, keep them coming. I am all for the sustainability push in industry but I think an important factor we should address when trying to determine the right solution is cost. For ethylene glycol (an industry which I research and forecast for a living), my numbers estimate that bio-based production capacity is just 250,000 tonnes/year. Conversely, your fossil fuel-based production capacity accounts for 40,500,000 tonnes/year. Also, a growing slice of that production capacity uses coal as a feedstock. Why? Bio is an expensive route, I calculate that you need a crude oil price of at least $65 and even nearer to $80 per barrel for it to be competitive. Subsequently the "plant bottle" movement seems to have drifted into the background. And the focus has shifted more to recycling. Also, with any packaging a life-cycle analysis gives a true assessment. Plastic gets a bad rep but I've seen data that would make anyone cringe when alternatives are proposed. Plastic waste is a major problem and I'd recommend anyone to check out the Alliance to End Plastic Waste group's website, who are trying to tackle this. Maybe you can look at future videos on plastic recycling (mechanical and chemical) as well as life cycle analysis of packaging materials: plastic vs. glass vs. card, etc.

@dokenboken5542 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not convinced of a significant impact of humans on global temperature. Pollution is a problem however. I am convinced that as the highest form of life on this planet (as far as we know), it is our responsibility to take care of it, as it is our home, and the home of our progeny. We should pursue all technologies that benefit the environment and benefit of all life on this planet, ours included.

@LewisLudwig 3 жыл бұрын

At least he brought up the land use issue. Something tells me this is pie in the sky thinking that these chemicals can replace more than about 5% of the plastics and synthetics that come from oil. That subject was not addressed at all, probably because this strategy has no hope of significantly cutting into the market for petrochemicals.

@cmaxbite 3 жыл бұрын

I was engaged by this episode but I was shocked not hear mention of Hemp, a source of bio plastics, graphene and food. 1 acre of hemp produces the equivalent of 5 acres of trees and locks up carbon into the bargain! ?

@millertas 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for addressing the elephant in the room at 13:30.

@yannisinasia 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Top quality content in every video and remarkable presenting. Always looking forward to all your new videos.

@JustHaveaThink 3 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated! Thank you :-)

@nagualdesign 3 жыл бұрын

Extremely informative. You're doing a great service.

@rodmcshane2889 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for a wonderful channel. As I understand it plastics sourced from plant based sources are little better than plastics derived from fossil fuels (fossil fuels are of course already 100% organic). In your article you seemed to concentrate on the source of the plastics rather than their biodegradability, but the biodegradability is the real problem. I know some work has been done on improving this in plastics, but I've only seen progress on composting under commercial conditions so far, which unfortunately excludes household composting and of course these plastics would probably not degrade in a landfill or a sea either. I would be very interested on seeing an article from you on progress made in plastics which are fully compostable under normal household composting methods (in approx 6 months or so).

@jameswest4819 3 жыл бұрын

The amazing thing is, we have the ability to make oil, sustainably, from all of our organic garbage and sewage and any kind of plant or animal matter. We have already done it with heat and pressure. That oil can be made into the same things petroleum is made into and don't tell me we don't have enough garbage and sewage. The biggest thing we need to create the oil is electrical power. That power could be made from natural sources whenever those sources were operational or from the up and coming molten salt reactors.

@fastfreddy19641 3 жыл бұрын

Bloody well done for being able to pronounce those chemical names. 👍

@fastfreddy19641 3 жыл бұрын

@@Azureecosse no I really meant it

@y0uCantHandle 3 жыл бұрын

A gentleman and a scholar, thank you for these videos

@marcusj1710 3 жыл бұрын

At least in terms of PE and PET, you forgot to mention the depolymization technologies, that allow for 100% recycling of Virgin plast waste. Rather than making new plasts, we can reuse what we have already.

@gg3675 3 жыл бұрын

Love these videos

@charlesashurst1816 3 жыл бұрын

The amazing Charlie predicts: The Great Carbon Rush. When corporate America realizes there's a bonanza in utilizing atmospheric carbon and sunlight to replace petrochemicals, we'll have to tax them for extracting too much carbon out of the atmosphere.

@oldoneeye7516 3 жыл бұрын

that post actually made me laugh

@alfonsomunoz4424 3 жыл бұрын

The carbon from natural gas can be used. And some day the technology may exist to utilize clathrates.

@cobia1794 3 жыл бұрын

Charles, You're so right.. Great twist, i love it!

@cobia1794 3 жыл бұрын

@@alfonsomunoz4424 Wow... such a deep subject Al... If we can put Democrats on mars we can extract that also without a tax..

@rebeccaaldrich3396 3 жыл бұрын

That's why we need to stop driving soon. We all must make huge changes in our consumption of everything.

@Withnail1969 3 жыл бұрын

No, you stop if you want. Don't force others to follow your ideas.

@-LightningRod- 3 жыл бұрын

Wow , just wow, a new app and Your Channel grows by leaps and bounds, ... and the drawrings, ... just wow! I simply can not thank YOU enough for all of the , ... ammunition that YOU arm us with every single episode. This one is particular i will take particular delight in using on a certain segment of Canadian Society who's power's appear to be derived directly from the drilling,tapping and transport of the filthy New Green Carbon free OIL and Gas, .... simply a ridiculous concept permeating the pundits of Oil and Gas industries in North America. Even Henry Ford recognized the possibilities as his original vehicle was powered by Alcohol (Thanks goto Irving Oil and Womens Temperance Movement for stopping this madness) He manufactured, painted and fueled a vehicle completely with industrial hemp Thank YOU for all of YOUR efforts

@ronb8066 3 жыл бұрын

You rock! Your channel is a light beacon of honest knowledge in the rubbish pile of disinformation in these dark days. All the best of success.

@grindupBaker 3 жыл бұрын

Well Mister Think is Mister Stink on thermodynamics, but he rocks otherwise. He tries anyway. I appreciate he tries.

@joelomondi5815 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video. Very eye opening...

@Krommandant 3 жыл бұрын

Quality content! You never disappoint!

@Billybobble1 3 жыл бұрын

Such a quality channel, thank you for your hard work bringing us this information.

@sirierieott5882 3 жыл бұрын

Great info, thanks for the research.

@terrynunn4643 3 жыл бұрын

I always enjoy your videos and find them very informative. I often share them on a Facebook group I manage " Help the environment ", I hope you don't mind. Keep up the good work.

@abe1091 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting video. I currently carry out research in Kraft lignin depolymerization at a university in Japan. I think a lot of the potential for lignin will come when the demand for gasoline and diesel from the petrochemical industry drops, thus, making the co-production of aromatics by that route no longer as-profitable.

@helenlawson8426 3 жыл бұрын

One alternative to expanded polystyrene is mycelium (or if you're me mushroom packaging). The more they look in to mycelium the more possible uses they are finding, it's very interesting stuff. By its very nature it doesn't require valuable farm land or light and so could be the answer to what will survive and grow in a Student Flat. :)

@Fess_goat_problem 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks again for a very informative review of petrochemicals. 👍

@h2opower 3 жыл бұрын

I thought the HEMP plant alone could be used to replace the use of fossil fuels for use in making plastics and you didn't mention HEMP at all, did I miss something?

@JustHaveaThink 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Edward. We have a full video scheduled to look just at Hemp. Might be in the New Year though.

@stucrawford6230 3 жыл бұрын

The new app looks great :)

@JustHaveaThink 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stu. Glad to hear that :-)

@adam-g7crq 3 жыл бұрын

And not to forget hemp, please do a video on hemp

@kparker2430 3 жыл бұрын

yes :) pleas JHAT, do a video on cannabis., it truly deserves one given the state of play.

@adam-g7crq 3 жыл бұрын

That's right hemp deserves it's given status, most people just know that you grind it up and smoke it, it was once illegal not to grow hemp here, it was that essential crop of it's time for many thousands of years one of the strongest natural fibres use for rope, sales for ships fabric for clothes and part or the crop circle that put nitrogen back into the so soil

@JustHaveaThink 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Adam. We have a video scheduled for the new year.

@adam-g7crq 3 жыл бұрын

fantastic look forward to seeing it 😁

@zdb79 3 жыл бұрын

We love the portrait.... great video today!

@rory1998quick 3 жыл бұрын

incredible! thanks once again!

@thinker8682 3 жыл бұрын

Why no food processing and production competition was included? Also, why some of the products that cannot be produced from biomass were not included and commented on? Also, what about economy of scale and production costs and efficiencies that makes petrochemicals more attractive? Also, why no comment on developing countries and their NEED for cheap, reliable, petrochemical products? It's a great and well researched video, don't get me wrong. But I think it is one-sided and does not convey the real complexity behind these issues and topics.

@Withnail1969 3 жыл бұрын

he's feeding the delusions of the green lobby. ultimately it's dangerous as these delusions are becoming more and more widespread.

@andacomfeeuvou 3 жыл бұрын

The correct question should be: Can we survive with Petrochemicals?

@hawk6856 3 жыл бұрын

Lmao so true

@Alan62651 3 жыл бұрын

Completely misses his non-political target. Those who think burning wood or other agricultural products is that much different than burning petrochemicals have failed Organic Chemistry. His point to SIDE-STEP "change for change-sake" and look for real-life improvements.

@Alan62651 3 жыл бұрын

Alarmist nonsense from a manipulated computer virtual reality program. The ice cores show that there is a corellation between temp and CO2, but CO2 LAGS temperature. You cannot "drive" something when you happen LATER than it does.

@jefferee2002 3 жыл бұрын

Terrific information, as usual.

@gamingtonight1526 3 жыл бұрын

I said a long time ago "what if, as it gets hotter, more start buying air conditioners?" Nobody ever commented... This is why I said we aren't going to solve the environmental crisis, and that civilization, as we know it, is coming to an end.

@JustHaveaThink 3 жыл бұрын

Yep. I think the 'Cooling' video will be pretty scary

@kirkjohnson9353 3 жыл бұрын

People like to rearrange the deck chairs on a Titanic set of problems.

@jimgraham6722 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, demand for cooling is excuse pun, exploding. Climate change is also drying out many previously arable areas. Expect demand for desalination to escalate

@davidkomet8 3 жыл бұрын

Plant based replacements like PLA can have very high environmental impacts because of the industrial farming supply chain. Proper life cycle assessment is critical for all proposed substitutes!

@PaulLemars01 3 жыл бұрын

As always, brilliant. I downloaded the app for my phone and it works perfectly. A but of a problem is my tablet which I feel is a better format for your content. I use a Fire tablet but unfortunately there's not a version for that store and Amazon has sold a gazillion of their tablets. I also sideloaded the Google play store onto it but for some reason the 'JHAT' app doesn't load. On the subject of PLA I know it from 3D printing where it makes up the bulk of the 3D printing feedstock market. PLA is amazing stuff and I've designed many functional prints from hamburger presses to an insulin dose alignment tool for my wife. It's a robust if slightly brittle plastic but if a print breaks then I just redesign and print a new one. 3D printing is cheap but slow, however it's not as slow as ordering something and waiting for it to be delivered.

@matjazbogacz-udovc4678 3 жыл бұрын

Lignin is a really good idea in my opinion. Especially in Europe, where we have a massive paper industry, based on conifer trees that have a larger proportion of lignin to celulose in comparison to other fast growing trees like bamboo or eucaliptus trees. Also conifer trees grow in places that are not so suitable for farming, they can occupy rocky terrain, tolerate poor soils and even cold northern climates. Really a good idea, but it will have to contend with biomass-as-fuel use, since it has comparably high energy density. Looking forward to see further developments in this field.

@grindupBaker 3 жыл бұрын

We got the same in Ontario. I don't gots even any bamboo trees in my garden.

@uncannydeduction 3 жыл бұрын

Really good show.... Really really....

@MrFoxRobert 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@incognitotorpedo42 3 жыл бұрын

I worry about the land use and carbon footprint of bio-based chemicals. It might be worth looking at where the CO2 comes from in making petrochemicals from oil. Oil is distilled and fractionated, and that requires a lot of heat. Currently the heat is provided by burning hydrocarbons. I think this industrial process heat represents the majority of the CO2 produced. It should be possible to use a different source of heat that was clean. It would be good to concentrate on the highest volume petrochemical products, like plastics, and ignore the minor ones like perfume, so as to not spread ourselves too thin. As long as the plastics aren't burned, the carbon contained in them remains sequestered. If it eventually ends up in a landfill, then it's just going back in the ground that it came from, and it never gets into the atmosphere. That is not a bad outcome.

@delburnwalter2024 3 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see an analysis of how much petrochemical-derived energy would be required to grow and harvest the feedstocks, transport them to the factories, convert them into these new plastics, and replace them in whatever usage they were originally being used for. I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't be more carbon intensive than merely using the petroleum as feedstocks in the first place.

@musaran2 3 жыл бұрын

Energy and processes can be made "green", the only question is cost. I suspect only waste biomass (mostly cellulose or methane) and direct production via bio-engineering are viable. Extracting oil & sugar from crops is basically food, it will forever remain more expensive. Also, any carbon product ending sequestrated may be subsidized.

@delburnwalter2024 3 жыл бұрын

@@musaran2 Maybe so, but I'm still very skeptical. I don't see how the enormous amount of stored energy that fossil fuels contain can be replaced by 'sustainable' sources. As Sid Smith tells us (see attached video link), fossil fuels aren't really a primary energy source; they're actually just energy carriers that the sun 'charged up' over hundreds of millions of years. I'm not signing on to any version of green technology until I see a comprehensive spreadsheet that accounts for all energy flows in the system. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a72AdZWmnavefGw.html

@bilgyno1 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this nice overview. I think there's room for a lot of more detailed follow up, however. There are some Biobased companies working on the land use problem as well. E.g. Miscanthus grass (fast growing, high in cellulose) on barren lands. Or mechanised seaweed farms out in sea (takes fertilizer pollution and co2 from the water). Then there's fermentation with agriculture rest streams as feed stock. The big challenge is scaling up. And we need to change the mindset that these alternatives are only viable if they are cost competitive with fossil sources. Point is: we need to #KeepItInTheGround and simply move on to new solutions. Maybe that means some consumer goods will become more expensive. So be it.

@johndoyle4723 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, it does make you think, I think we will be remembered as "The oil age", with the subscript, " and they used up all of it". It is very hard to say leave the oil in the ground rather than use it to make drugs to cure people, we will use it all, and only stop when it is gone. Yes as you say land usage is the new battle ground. Disclosure my entire career was in recycling petrochemical products, I processed millions of tons, for re-use.

@mdombroski 3 жыл бұрын

You can find examples of the opposite case in Michael Shellenberger's excellent, Apocalypse Never, such as plastics replacing tortoise shell glasses and saving sea turtles.

@acmefixer1 3 жыл бұрын

Shellenberger is a shill for the nuclear power industry. He makes so many spurious claims that I and many others don't trust him. There is nothing wrong with nuclear power, but the industry doesn't need people who falsify information about nuclear power.

@mdombroski 3 жыл бұрын

@@acmefixer1 If you're going to accuse Shellenberger of making many spurious claims, I'd think you'd at least include an example or two.

@angelphalane399 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing video! The information shared in it is much appreciated! :-D

@ww07ff 3 жыл бұрын

Seaweed can be the source for PLA production, releasing the pressure over forests or food production.

@az09letters92 3 жыл бұрын

Nitrogen fertilizers you can produce out of air (and currently natural gas). But I'd be way more worried about where to get phosphorus. Lack of phosphorus could really hit world agricultural production badly.

@poly518 3 жыл бұрын

Itaconix definitely worth buying some shares. Only valued at £7.5million and company is growing exponentially.

@bigtop1967 3 жыл бұрын

I wish we were investing in these thing like our lives depended on it! They do! Brilliant informative video as usual. Thank you.

@apacheattackhelicopter8185 3 жыл бұрын

I hope you realize that not every problem can be solved just by dumping money on it

@bigtop1967 3 жыл бұрын

@@apacheattackhelicopter8185 True - but MANY can.

@nolan4339 3 жыл бұрын

And here I thought you would have a heavy emphasis on Pyrolysis oil to create a type of synthetic crude, which would then be refined into various petrochemical alternatives.

@heinzhinrichs9409 3 жыл бұрын

Thank You ❤️

@trandel 3 жыл бұрын

As I reportedly need to point out to the RE lobby you need to understand the consequences means the tech isn't as friendly as it's being marketed to be. For example chopping down acres of trees to install wind or solar. So, thanks for pointing this out. We are already in the grip of a global water crisis, so any plant based tech needs to have a sustainable management plan.

@brawndo8726 3 жыл бұрын

PLA is only biodegradable in a high heat environment IIRC. It's not the panacea we've been led to believe. It also increases demand for farmland so it's a few steps removed from burning down the rainforest...

@bryandepaepe5984 3 жыл бұрын

The base chemicals used to make plastics are a waste by product of crude oil refining to make gasoline and other products. The alternatives to petrochemical based plastics do not have the same properties and usually are not as durable requiring more frequent replacement. This was the primary reasons for switching to plastics in the first place, not only were they cheaper to make but did a better job at their intended purpose and the chemicals used to make them were going to waste.

@ArthursHD 3 жыл бұрын

4:13 What about synthetic fertilizer, diesel, and machinery used for growing crops. Glue from wood sounds promising :) Although we should use less paper, to begin with :)

@ThomasBomb45 3 жыл бұрын

Nature has been fertilizing plants for years... millions of them! Permaculture, organic farming, etc are becoming more popular and don't require artificial fertilizers

@Withnail1969 3 жыл бұрын

@@ThomasBomb45 have you ever done any farming?

@AlainDuchesneau 3 жыл бұрын

Best video in some time. Liked the comment about initial intent from biomass industries being screwed up with their plan as they finished burning their first by-products…

@nc3826 3 жыл бұрын

How about low tech alternative such as taxing one use plastics? And going back to paper and glass. For example reusing glass containers, by returning them to a store that got its products and goods in bulk containers (that could be reused too). That could use automate cleaning and refilling of the glass containers. Which would also be far more efficient way to transport the good. Since it not only reuses the containers and moving part of the production closer to the consumer... Just a thought.... (sorry I'm not cool enough to say "Just Have a Think")

@acmefixer1 3 жыл бұрын

Glass containers have been used for millennia. But I know of at least two people who were seriously injured by a broken glass container. Glass has advantages and disadvantages. The bottles can be made safe by being replaced by thick, multiple use plastic, just like the water delivery companies did with the 5 gallon (19 liter) plastic water bottles, which used to be glass.

@nc3826 3 жыл бұрын

AF, I agree, we should understand the risks and trades offs of all of the packaging materials we use and consume over our lifetime. Such as plastic bottles including BPA, that injures all of us without, us fully knowing all the effects (including straws, bag and all one use plastic) . Also the recyclable glass containers were virtually indestructible in normal use. They had to be, since they went thru an automated cleaning machine, that would have broke a normal glass container. Saw some soda/pop bottles that were covered in scratches and nicks, without breaking. FWIW, I knew a sandwich shop owner who was seriously injured by the lid from a tin can container. BTW I know I'm in the minority in our, one use throwaway society.... That prefer the easy route, of having feel good bio-plastics replace evil-petro plastics, even if they are often worse over their life cycle. Since growing the bio feedstocks for them has a cost too....

@CarlAlex2 3 жыл бұрын

Actually the change from glass to PET for softdrink bottles has significantly reduced the impact of transporting softdrinks. Just try to remember how heavy those glass bottles used to be. And PET is reuasble too.

@nc3826 3 жыл бұрын

Actually its just pathetic plastic industry 'propaganda' to mention plastic is recyclable.... Since the fact is we are drowning in discarded plastic waste, including PET and locally reused glass containers had and would have a far lower footprint than making the pile discarded plastic grow even higher...SMH

@CarlAlex2 3 жыл бұрын

@@nc3826 Just bacause you are incapable of handling your garbage properly doesnt mean everyone else is too. We DO NOT have any huge piles of discarded PET bottles here in Denmark since most of them by far are in our recycling system - a system we had in place for glass bottles long before PET was invented. There are people who go actively hunting for discarded bottles to get the refund for handing them in at the store. We also have an extensive up to date system taking care of the collection and handling of our garbage. Non-recyclable plastic can be used as fuel to generate electricity and heat, so why let it drown you when its so easy to safely dispose of ? That they just throw eveything into the local river thast hen takes everything to sea in countries like Vietnam doenst mean that it CANNOT be handled properly - just that they cannot be bothered to. Why do you claim the PET cannot be recycled when it evidently is ?

@chuckkottke 3 жыл бұрын

Dave, another excellent presentation! And you are keenly aware of the caveots surrounding biomass solutions; many thanks. I like bioplastics, they make good sense from many perspectives, but one concern I have is will they eventually break down and not clog up our oceans and lakes? And maybe we need to focus more on quality over quantity, making better products that are both eco friendly and truly durable, like a Rolls Royce approach to goods? That and the dark force of our energy universe, insulation and efficiency vs. more production, might help in the cooling sector. Keep on making great waves in the presentations, you're a bright spot in our otherwise gloomy news world!!

@JustHaveaThink 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chuck. Much appreciated :-)

@alfonsomunoz4424 3 жыл бұрын

One thing NONE of the commenters mention is how growing hemp, or anything including potatoes and corn, degrades soil and erodes topsoil. That's a looming problem.

@Cy5208 3 жыл бұрын

If possible get Nate Hagens and Richard Heinberg on to discuss this and related problems. There is more than one elephant that you have missed on this topic as you also have to look at volumes of and numbers products that need to be replaced and the energy/oil not only to do it but do this within an energy transition.

@MattAngiono 3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you added the perspective at the end! We must begin to look at every ecosystem holistically and really understand EVERY impact of letting capitalism loose on the environment....

@brianwheeldon4643 3 жыл бұрын

Agree Matt angiono:Rather change capitalism and give ourselves and the living planet a helping hand. Acting in a considered way without undue influence and coprporate/oloigarchical pressures. Deliberative Democracy would be a great help in this.

@MattAngiono 3 жыл бұрын

@@brianwheeldon4643 I feel like ANY democracy would be pretty nice for Americans right now lol.... It would be nice for everyone in fact