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Lucio literally makes 3x the noise pharah does

Pharah Nerf Idea: every melee and shotgun hero gets laser eyes that instantly vaporize her if shes too high in the air

She was terrorizing lower ranks for years. I am just glad that everybody is talking about her now.

my proposed pharah change is to make her rocket launcher do 90 damage base 112 with ramp up and 48 with fallof, make the rocket launcher have 4 rockets that you have to reload individualy, remove all of her abilities but make rocket jumping more useful, also give her a shovel that deals critical damage if you hit someone while rocket jumping

"Just pick hitscan lol" Meanwhile my dps has better odds at hitting their shot with a woman than hitting shots on pharah

Giving a flying character infinite AoE damage was a really smart idea. Bravo Vince!

My games have been nothing but Sombras and Pharahs and there's only so much we can all take lol

I agree with the sound issue so much. Overwatch has amazing sound design, but Pharah stands out. Typically the most dangerous characters are the loudest. You can hear Widows heels clicking from across the map, but Phara is hard to hear. Increasing her sound would also make people spend less time looking up to see where she is which is one of her biggest strengths as she can create powerful offangles from anywhere. I would make her rockets explode at 30-40 range just like venture shots instead of falloff. A big factor in Phara being so frustrating is that you required great mechanics to even have a fighting chance while she is lobbing powerful rockets in your general direction while having 4 different abilities for mobility. It makes fighting her even as a hitscan were frustrating. Nerfing the splash and adding power to directs is the way to go.

Pharah always had a big design flaw, her best counter. Good Aim and if people on your team doesn't have good aim, you just loose because nothing else is even to close in terms of effectiveness

This is probably the first time I have seen a pharah main not being completely delusional. The amount of times I have seen dipshits that say "just pick hitscan lol, she is so easy to counter" is baffling. No, picking heroes that require astronomical amounts of skill that I also *never* play is not "easy". Compare that to pharah when even if you are dogshit at the game, you can still pick her up and steamroll the enemy team. Edit: Forgot to say something that wouldn't be seen as a backhanded compliment at best. Your video and your nerf ideas were very excellent, very well done PixelRory.

From a junkrat player, I love how they just proceeded to make pharah a better junkrat in every single way possible. Better poke, they gave her more mobility than him, almost double proj speed, more mag size, faster reload on empty mag, much faster proj speed, better utility, she has it all over him. The only thing junkrat has over her is the ricochet, but with how painfuly slow they are, it is not even enough to be truly useful outside of spam And also, I love how in s9 they pre-nerfed junkrats proj size before the size increase, but they thought pharah would be ok with having the same projectile size as junkrat (and I already think junks proj are a lil too big)

I always find people saying "hitscan counters pharah" to be ridiculous No, hitscan can DEAL with Pharah, there is a difference. Pharah, at all times, can move in any direction. Left. Right. Up. Down. Forward. Backward. She is not an easy target even with hitscan because she has omnidirectional movement so, a lot of the time, it is inherently easier as a pharah to evade and play around cover than it is for a hitscan to land a shot on an evasive Pharah. Sure, as a Pharah you only die to hitscan, but that isnt because the simple presence of a hitscan shuts you down, its because nothing else can HIT you. Projectiles are too easy to evade. Beams cant usually reach you. Shotguns, a form of hitscan requiring close quarters, are basically useless when you are 50 feet in the air. Sure there are top 500 junkrats that can perfectly time a mine jump to get up to and erase a Pharah, but the skill that takes isnt realistic enough to say Junkrat can usually DO anything against a good Pharah This is Pharah's biggest issue. The counterplay to her is just playing her quote unquote "counters" because anyone else just isnt an option. No other character in the game invalidates as much as the roster as Pharah does and thats the worst part about playing against Pharah. I don’t play any character that can deal eith Pharah. I simply dont find most hitscan heroes satisfying enough to get really good at them which means, effectively, I cannot do anything against Pharah and have to hope that my other teammates can

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I've always thought that instead of falloff damage being introduced (since they removed it from orisa and are probably going to plant their foot down and say no falloff damage for any projectiles) the rockets should just have a maximum range before they automatically explode. This way she can't poke you from across the entire map while also having the movement of the gods.

Or just make her rockets have only like 15 meters range before their damage falls off This way, she has to ACTUALLY put herself in danger and to also make her less of a pub stomper. Maybe, to compensate, they give her more base damage and shorter dash cooldowns

All of the issues with characters I see could be solved instantly if they just removed mercy

I agree with the Pharah being too quiet I really wish they made her jets louder so its harder for her to flank you

Good Pharahs are ridiculous right now. I usually either play Ball or off-role to Support and I can’t play hitscan to any meaningful degree myself, so when a good Pharah decides me and my stack have to go, either somebody else has to pick up that slack or we just lose and it feels like there’s nothing we can do about it

Pharah nerf idea: every time someone picks her I steal their controls, seriously every time I have tried her I miss every rocket by fifty miles and the enemy team gets an aim buff

8:29 WAIT WAIT WAIT the fact that her being a flyer puts her at a further distance away because of oh trigonometry works is crazy in the context of fall off damage. If she plays at a good distance, she essentially can always fight hitscans at their weakest range. I’m really surprised that I’m only now learning of this subtle but ever present interaction. That’s some good thinking you did pixel!

I main Pharah and i always thought her rework was boring, i was hoping they'd make her more risky to play but they made her more passive

Its so fun to play comp in silvers and gold when a smerfing phara is pocketed by a mercy and says they're not smerfing when they say they're not smerfing. They only have 9 hours in the game and know flank and ramp positions to juke and damage peak people.

I just want 6v6 at this point man.

Every time I discuss this with a pharah main they always say “oh man you just have to play hit scan”. but that’s really not the solution to the pharah problem and I was thinking about it and I would believe it’s the simple fact that counter is harder than her. Farah doesn’t have to do a lot to receive a lot of value , instead she can shoot and she’ll get value as long as she’s hitting near the enemy team meanwhile, if you see the far, but you are too far away from her you have to lead your shots differently and you’ll have to see if she has use her dash recently while she only has to see if you are in her FOV. And when there’s a Farah on the enemy team, you have to immediately change everything just to account for her, which is awful character design. I lot of people don’t like hearing this, but playing Farah doesn’t take a lot of thought while countering her takes at least three people coordinating to kill her and that is a failure of design .

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Maybe she should have a massive heal reduction while airborne? She receives 75% less healing while airborne, and can receive full healing until 2 seconds being grounded. This would keep her kit intact, while requiring her to be grounded more often so should would potentially be out of the fight a little more, or at least not creating off angles as much, and not as difficult to take down even with a pocket, making her a high risk, high reward character.

Good video, one suggestion I have is that in the section where you talk about how silent she is, I think the video would benefit from sound clips comparing her ability sounds to other dps

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1. Impact damage 90 Splash Damage 30 2. Shirnk the Proj Size 3. Have Splash Damage not apply the Dps passive, and is no longer effected by Damage boosts (a boosted Direct now Does 147 rather than 156 currently) 4. Give Armor a higher reduction rate to Splash damage (maybe a tank only change) 5. take away the Bonus Fuel from JumpJet and Lower the Cooldown from 14-12 6. Conc Blast should deal 45 Damage on a direct hit only (with Severe fall off like 10-15 meters)

I think they should add a setting where you can change all sounds of each hero however you want

Are you gonna do a vid on whether you prefer 5v5 or 6v6?? Also are you excited for the next hero coming next season?

Bro I love how the video looks, it looks like the actual game in video

watching this video feels so wild because i started playing about two months ago and i only now started learning pharah ... .... i don't know if i'll survive her rework bc i'm still learning her current mechanics lol

Orisa had Damage Fall off (they got rid of it right before the Era of the Horse) and she’s a Projectile character I’d be happy if Pharah had fall off on direct hits, but keep the explosion damage (albeit toned down so she can’t kill a Tracer or Baby D.Va in 3 splashes) so that she isn’t near useless like how Reaper felt during the Armor/Tank passive changes where a headshot on a Rein from point blank range did as much damage as Sniper Reaper She needs some sort of counterplay regardless of that fact, *especially* when Pharmercy is in full swing

the new blizzard balance team is falling under the classic balance trap of looking ONLY at damage numbers and not the utility of things...

We need phara rockets to have a range limit like Sigma or Venture😭

Talking about sound design is such a great touch. Was always the element of OW1 Doomfist I hated most. It's not that characters abilities are always too good, but they don't give nearly enough warning relative to how threatening they are.

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It's pretty crazy how they haven't been able to get Pharah right since launch while TF2 Soldier is still perfectly balanced 17 years later.

My problem with pharah is the damage and the no audio, I don't really care about the rest, she is pretty easy to kill with hitscan or sombra

10:44 small correction here, the damage from the AOE and direct would stack, leading to a 60 damage projectile, this patch took away that stack making it 30 on impact as it should be

Ive moved on from qp and comp to just play 6v6 pugs bc of a lot of season 9 reversions, and ofc 2 tanks. Highly recommend.

So! I was a little silly and for some reason didn't demonstrate Pharah's sound cues in this video. So I'll give ye two options. You can watch the (tolerable) twitter version, OR you can watch the youtube shorts version, which I had to separate into 2 parts. Up to you! Twitter: x.com/PixeIRory/status/1813629425851777328 Shorts Part 1: kzfaq.infoqOEwR6vG-K4 Shorts Part 2: kzfaq.infom2iq44Dur6Y

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i have never actually had issues hearing pharas hoverjets, even in the midst of chaotic fights. honestly i think she feels overall quieter now bc shes no longer punished for roof stalling, which well practiced pharas would typically avoid bc it stopped hover regen. it makes a sound in the 1st person, but i have never noticed it in the 3rd.

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Grats on the sponsor! And I think you made a great point that no one really thinks about, how is pharah so quiet? Like, you can hear her jetting when she goes high but barely anything. Maybe make her hovering play some sound that's realistic!

How about blast radius falloff with distance for her? If you're far, you won't hit anyone, you have to make yourself vulnerable to make others vulerable. A fun tradeoff for that would be to make her default blast radius bigger so she hurts herself more readily if she's too close, forcing her out of any indoor areas. It won't hurt other projectile characters besides Junkrat, and for him you can say that his projectiles are different since they are launched grenades instead of rockets and don't use fuel that adds to the exposion.

My biggest problem with pharah has always been how she, by design, limits what characters the other team can play. In OW1 i was a reaper main but also played a ton of projectile dps heroes, so its not like i was a one trick or anything. Still, when the enemy team swapped pharah it was up to me to swap and counter her despite me being terrible at hitscan. Ended up going echo bc shes the only char im good at that can handle pharah I play mostly support in OW2 (weaver main), so ill swap to illari if the enemy phara is dominating but still it just feels really shitty how 80% of the roater just cannot touch pharah, and no amount of balance patches or tweaks can fix it

As a soldier one trick who hits aim training a lot and is master to grandmaster on kovaaks ranking system, I think it's pointless to play him against phara, especially after everyone got 25% health buff and phara's rework. before that, when i shat on phara's once or twice they would almost always switch, but nowadays pharas are still valuable and never switch.

here's an idea: make her rockets lose accuracy the further they travel.

Not having to deal with the tank headshot reduction passive, doing 120 damage each direct rocket hit while giving the dps passive, having great movement all the while her boop still effective 7-8 metres away from the enemy

As Support, since I cant twitchy aim, if you go Pharah I will go Moira and if Moira is picked... then i'll just choose the next best support like Kiriko and just abandon the place if I get targeted by a Pharah. Ive played games where we just dont have players with skills to hit a mosquito(Pharah), so everyone else just "tries" to ignore the Pharah. Her and other heroes are just that polarizing in hands of top players when they hit your matches.

I totally agree, and you have to be the only pharah main who I actually respect considering that you’re admitting that you can be half asleep and still kill 5 players. She needs way less damage on splash, a little less on directs (or at least significant falloff), and a much, much smaller hit box on the rockets. I have literally seen kill cams where her rockets explode mid-air like 7m away from me because for some reason that was considered a direct hit. With a hit-box and damage like that, she has become a braid dead hero in the metal ranks. Like Moria, when within 20m there is no need to aim. But she kills you way faster than a Moria.

I'm not sure why pharah doesn't have falloff. Especially since she's deadly when spamming a choke from far away.

I've been suggesting rocket fall off for a while now but I also think she seriously needs to be able to two shot squishies again. Right now she lacks a proper risk reward dynamic and a combination of fall off, reverting the health change and giving her two shot back would do that. The risk is she has to get into the effective range of her enemies to be effective and the reward is quick kills when landing directs. Honestly rather than her being broken I think the larger issue is she's just lame to fight due to the range she fights at and the frequency of being pocketed, and having fall off basically solves everything people complain about because she has to take riskier fights and supports are gonna be less willing to follow her into the enemies backline to pocket her.

I think swapping her splash and direct dmg is definitely necessary at this point, it would make her more skill dependent and harder to dominate at lower ranks where players aren't hitting directs as often. I'd potentially revert the hp nerf as it just encourages pharah to play poke and rely on a mercy pocket, plus with louder sound cues it would (hopefully) make people look up more and hit more shots on her, so she needs the extra 25hp again to avoid certain breakpoints I think, which is especially important to consider if we want to promote the dive pharah playstyle more where she'll be playing closer and thus within her counters' range. This would make her more of a high risk high reward character also. Making her fall off a bit longer than hitscan seems fair, since her rockets ofc have projectile travel, not to mention that I feel like it would gut her flying character identity if she couldnt do a fair amount of damage while actually in the sky. I think maybe 30-45m could be good, that way she isnt as deadly for her poke playstyle and also isnt just tracer with a much wider hitbox and less survivability. Without some sort of fall off range similar to that, her poke playstyle will still be an issue albeit a lesser one if her splash and direct dmg are swapped. Overall I think all the changes you proposed would be so much healthier for the game, and it's refreshing to hear suggestions that wouldn't absolutely gut her and make her awful to play as. She'd just generally be a lot fairer, balanced, and rewarding when you manage to hit directs.

Maybe just make her projectile work like Sigma, so the rockets explode after a certain distance (30-35m)

As a junk onetrick, pharah has always been a bit annoying to me, but the 225 hp change has completely turned that around. Now it's a really fun matchup imo cause she can be punished again for getting too close.

I don’t know if this is already a thing in the game but it could be an interesting angle to give her more damage on things like airshots on phara. (Hitting people in the air) Along with maybe buffing the vertical knock back on her basic rockets. Meanwhile nerfing her damage against grounded targets overall. This is probably just a crackhead change but like, idk making the areal character an anti-air character that also works with knockback abilities sounds neat.

i never thought there would be a hero I hated playing against more than hog but damn pharah is a strong contender. at least I see her less than hog during prime hog meta

So like I hear you. But I don't wanna have to relearn my hits to kill lol.

What I hate the most about the recent Pharah "nerfs" is that they just make playing her without a Mercy worse without fixing any real issues, while phar-mercy is mostly unaffected by them. Mercy is also the most popular hero in the game, so really it just makes her less fun for that one game where her girlfriend isn't there.

Yeah why the hell doesn’t ravenous vortex extend way higher? Like during its reveal it looked like it was framed as a way of restricting movement and yet in game it’s pretty ignorable

I think making the fall off damage kick in 20% (cassidy) later or so and return the mid air rocket refuel

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Glad you mentioned the problem with audio queues. I noticed the engine change to OW2 messed a lot of them up. Widow is too loud while reaper lost his audio footsteps entirely.

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I've always found the problem with pharah to be that it feels like its only ever roll or be rolled. Like she classically just kinda always melted to hitscan, and she completely *dominates* certain heroes who don't have the mobility or range to catch her. And I think this is why she's so frustrating. Like sure, go hitscan, but... not everyone _wants_ to play hitscan all the time. I think the rework was at least in the right direction, the new ability gave her an extra horizontal mobility option to use to weave around hitscan, while the finite fuel forced her to be grounded some of the time... at least in theory. In practice, she's just still incredibly strong Honestly, I'm with you on the sound cues, hadn't thought of that, but it kinda makes a lot of sense. Also, adding falloff to her projectiles. Would help balance the playing field at least a little bit against shorter range heroes who have practically no answer to her still

Agree on the fall off, definitely disagree on the mobility. She's finally fun to play, mate. Don't take her fun movement away from her.

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As a Phara player myself I concur the directs should have more impact, and the splash be lowered. I've also, been saying this for a while.

I think they should actually go the tf2 soldier route. Maybe reduce the vertical boost cooldown by half and remove the health penalty on rocket jumps, but get rid of the boosters, so she cant fly anymore (maybe you could give her an echo hover to compensate)

The concussive aoe enabled a solo flanker style that was really fun. Now you have to hit 3 rockets and pray they don’t have their get out of jail free card that so many of them do. Now all it feels like I can do is play range and spam, which is the playstyle nobody likes. Having damage on the aoe also added decision making with the ability that just isn’t there anymore. Maybe I just need to get better, I started maining her a couple months before her rework. Feels like if I even attempt to play without a mercy or a pocket, I literally can’t kill anything before they kill me first. Really sucks when part of the idea of her rework was to make her less reliant on mercy as well. Maybe she was a little strong before, but really they should’ve just toned down her projectile size or ammo count. I’d even be ok with the health change if they give me the flanking playstyle back. I really miss the rocket conc rocket combo.

I am a Reindhardt main (Bronze) and I see Pharah in my nightmares

Remove the jump jets, give her the ability to properly rocket jump, make the rockets do more damage but u only get 4 of them, and give her an emote where she can explode herself and everyone around her Instantly goated hero, trust me bro

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Blizzard casually gives these heroes all the mobility in the WORLD to be insanely wacky with. and meanwhile I just sit here as a Zenyatta main, quietly crying in anguish, while i spend 100% of my existence trying to position carefully just so I don't have to waste transcendence as a "get out of jail free" card whenever I'm suddenly a target

I think tanks are way more of domino effect inducing heroes currently but I 100% agree pharah sort of necessitates certain heroes in a way that I never quite enjoyed (even considering I play several heroes good against her)!

Low-key I think they don't wanna nerf her too hard is becuase space ranger is gonna be a flying support, and they want the flyers to be decent to promote the new hero We will see however this is just my crackpot theory

Finally someone talks about this. I've said it for years.

I remember one time I copied a pharah and I tried to fly up a bit but I didn't know she got a rework and I just jumped and lost my duplicate 😭

Instead of not moving when low on boost it should be like Winston's zap, so that even with 1% it does a full dash, its better for the Phara, yet still a nerf and somewhat more predictable, phenomenal vid tho.

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I would love to have a big boost to direct hits and lower splash damage.

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Pharah might just be the worst designed character in any shooter (even you Sniper TF2), a good pharahmercy on the enemy team is almost always an instant loss condition. She has NO COUNTER!

The moneky part of my brain likes the dash taking fuel, this way we can make her whole kit fuel based. Have the rockets start with 120 fuel and consume it over distance eventsully direct hitting for 40

Pharah nerf idea: pharah gets shot down because she counts as an unidentified flying object

As some one said in comments here give Phara's rockets range limits, but instead of damage falloff her rockets have hard 30m limit. When rockets reaches end of 30m range they just detonate in the air.

Honestly for me, i just need 2 things to happen to pharah, 1 have actual mindless spam less effective, in qp i have found pharahs dominate a lobby by just shooting spawn, not even looking, just actual spam, 2 add skill expresion that doesnt make her strong, right now her highest skill expression is how long you can stay in the sky so :/ give her something to give her some skill

Tying pharah's jet dash would make it similar to Mercy's guardian angel. Which I think would make it feel very smooth and still accessible to lower ranks.

I think that they should just make rockets explode after a set distance so I can't pick people from across the map with pharah. That way she's close/mid range and actually has to face her counters in their distance.

honestly i think they need 2 rework mercys damage beam, as any time they nerf a characters oneshot/instacombo, the result is just that hero now requiring mercy support. maybe it could increase firerate instead?

just make it like in tf2 where the rockets do less damage the farther you are away

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