By ex-partner I meant Shawn McGrath haha. Sorry for the confusion. But still yeah, not a great thing for him to say haha.

@@Nellooo Death threats are prosecutable offenses. In this age of cyberbullying and subsequent suicides, you don't tell people to do that. Ever. It speaks volumes about his character and his personal values.

​@@Shadow_Enzgrow up.

You know that kinda happens alot

lol right? this video was unreasonably defensive of phil

Thanks for the info. Seeing from his Moby profile, he seems to have far more game development experience than Fish.

Phil made more money though

@@oo--7714 how?

@@oo--7714 So?

Okay... but name me please any japanese game that actually is mind blowing? Let's just take Zelda and Mario out of it. To be fair I don't know and don't remember any game being japanese. Phil is kinda right. They are lacking falling behind.

Yea I don't forgive this idiot for that... people like him ruined Japanese games for the west and gave many Japanese Devs a complex. Yoshi P actually covers how this toxic rhetoric had a negative impact on Japanese devs and put a stigma on the term JRPG, which could be compared to racism. And it WAS racism.

Aged incredibly poorly

Man made one big indie hit and thought he was a better creative than all of Japan.

Our god michael zaki

The most golden thing about that, is that Phil said that during the time that both Demon Souls and OG Dark Souls were already a thing. And if you go back even more, Armored Core. Miyazaki was involved in all those projects, so his argument was already flawed by the time (unless we talking turn-based RPGs. Most were not good. Not good at all).

Right. Socially awkward means you are bad at communicating what you mean. You may _sound_ rude when your intention wasn't rude. Phil seems excellent at communicating his shitty thoughts. He sounded rude, because his intention was rude.

So DSP?

Who cares. Stop being babies.

He is the result of unchecked mental illness

@@Spencer-wc6ew So being socially awkward is a kind of mental retardation whereas being a total jerk means you have normal capacities but negative emotions.

Not only twitter, but hipster culture as a whole

@@amadeusagripino6862 Phil does look and talk like the average hipster I've seen in art college.

He's also the perfect example of what happens when you let your ego get the better of you

Fez wasn't that good. B- at best, and that is being generous.

Meanwhile, Hideki Kamiya had been celebrated as a master troll for doing the exact thing.

When a guy so toxic people memory holed him so hard because it doesn't benefit them mentally and physically to remember him

@@faizalf119 Damnatio Memoriae

Specially cause in The ocean of indie games and devs Phil and fez has been outdone Big time, i mean who tf would put fez above Hollow knight? Phil and his peers of that pretentious movie are like those shitty metal bands of the 80s that Nobody listened but a "selected" group of snobs phraise them like pioneers and geniouses

@@diegosotomiranda4107 id put fez above hollow knight

@@diegosotomiranda4107i'd put it above Hollow Knight. Hollow Knight is great, but there are tons of metroidvania games. There is nothing else like Fez.

Too stable to be a reddit mod. Admin maybe.

"That's enough out of you! This thread is locked!"

I feel like he has the energy of a fascist 4channer lol

he also has diddler physiognomy

@@luisapaza317 Didn't he defend Zoe Quinn?

Phil was not a grassroots figure who somehow came to the front of the indie scene because of "great talent" and "great vision'. He was a completely astroturfed figure, an "It" guy that the games media wanted to make because he shared all of their garbage opinions.

@@DioBrandoWRYYYYYY that’s definitely the type of feeling I get from him, the current scene still acts as an offshoot of the AAA scene, much like a high school clique, a lot of smaller devs were mistreated by the IGA staff. Phil’s words were also echoed for a long time about JRPGs that it really demoralized most JP devs, they weren’t subtle about their xenophobia either, if they wanted to be critical about how JP devs seemed lost with their direction, they could’ve handled it better, but that’d be like acknowledging the JP devs cared, they cared a lot about the feedback.

​@@DioBrandoWRYYYYYY Also they were directly financially invested in his company

@@cyberninjazero5659 I know! Also remember Gone Home? Gee I wonder how that trash got so much traction... It can't be because it's just jurnos and indie devs conspiring to artificially generate demand for a BS nothing game, right?

Yeah I always have sneaking suspicion that nepotism is involved and now I'm now justified. He ruined the indie scene because he became the poster child for indie and now people indies are full of arrogant know it all spoiled children and to be fair it's partially true. He also soured me of playing games with simple pixels because I think it's just what lazy devs did

Not from time to time. You should PLAY GAMES from time to time. You should make time to be outside every day if you can help it.

@@AuraysTimelessChannel It said said that the 5 year development of Fez caused Phil a lot of depression. If thats the case, maybe he needed Therapy?????

@@orangeslash1667he did it to himself, plus, most people don’t turn into assholes even if they’re depressed

@@jumpvelocity3953 The problem is criticism. While most people can handle it, Phil can't. I think that depression has caused him to be a lot more sensitive to criticism. What criticism, the internet!!!!

@@jumpvelocity3953 as a person who personally has strong phil fish tendencies, I don't think you have any particular facts to base that opinion on. we have a plethora of historical examples of people going full scorched earth asshole due to problems in their life.

I remember that being a fairly popular opinion at the time though, and it wasn’t unjustified.

At that time, they kinda did. Japanese game studios had been on top of the gaming world for decades. Used to be, a game would be considered bad, outside of a very few exceptions, if a western game studio made it (especially in the 16bit era). However, this got turned around in the 2000s, especially by the start of the 7th console gen. The best games were being made by western devs, and outside of some JRPGs (and most thing Nintendo made), eastern game studios were kinda frowned upon for not keeping up with the time, generally speaking. Nowadays east and west are about equal in terms of game quality and design.

@@DaBoaringDragon In the AAA sphere, Japan is doing much better tbh

Thank Phil 🐟 for making Japanese games better. Watch the whole vid

@@DaBoaringDragon Keiji Inafune had similar concerns about the state of Japanese games in the 2000s and it's what inspired him to create his own game studio. Unfortunately for him how he got too ambitious for his own good with his Mighty No. 9 project.

GDC is already toxic for years. Full or socially awkward people who act like bullies if given the chance. Even 2023 GDC there's already reports of people got roofied, or getting lured to hotel room, or sexual harrasment. What made me mad is that the Japanese guy is genuinely want to learn and spent his own money fly and stay in USA expecting a polite society and civil conversation. Phil Fish deserves the hate and I hope he works in sewer or septic tank

That was a time when hating on Japanese games was a social norm. Go back and watch some old G4 reviews. They are weirdly open and venomous about it. It got to the point where some japanese developers have come out and said they see the term JRPG as basically a derogatory slur.

@@theotherjared9824 I've heard of it.

The fish was delish and it made quite a dish

I never saw this before today, I paused the video as I was floored at both Phil and the reaction of the dev's. I had to walk around raving about them shitting on the giants who's shoulders they are standing on. So MANY amazing game companies out of Japan and THIS is their thanks.

That makes so much sense, he is our reality’s Alex YIIK

MIND. FRIGGIN. BLOWN.

Glad I’m not the only one who noticed too 😂

oh, so he's based.

that would be a fact; not an opinion AND wont be assinine like Fish fucker here.

Someone like Hideki kamiya for example hehe

They weren't broken before though. In fact they are more broken now.

Miyazaki from FromSoft will do.

I for once agree especially after Star field what a fucking disappointment.... I know Bethesda can do better than this shit wtf happened

Honestly, a westerner with any sense would probably act the same. As you say, be the better man. If someone's being an asshole in public, the best way to make them look even worse is to not stoop to their level. ...I also imagine that, if Phil's words were any motivation, it was probably out of spite for the man, not respect for him.

I completely agree, the thanking here was politeness, not genuine at all. The Japanese dude was most likely devestated by that rude comment.

Truth! "Apologize right after", right. More like, "you suck man, I'm sorry but you do, I'm truly sorry but you really do suck bro, I'm sorry tho"

i dont know man, i think he was wrongfully persecuted by the internet. sure he is a bit reactionary, but thats not a crime.

That happened.

Holy shit, he’s worse than Hideki Kamiya!

@@jks7556 what did *you* make?

@@delian66 I made an apple pie today, thanks for asking.

@@delian66 Do you say the same to anyone who criticizes a movie if they have never made a movie? I hate this stupid argument.

Yep. Can't agree more with you. The guy is just crazy.....

"he was mean spirited, arrogant, and unable to take what he dished out" Yeah that's called vulnerable narcissism bro, he was obviously one

Exactly like Jonathan Blow

He didn't "tear into an entire country", he gave his honest opinion about _games_ from a certain country, when asked specifically. And the people he told to go k*ll themselves didn't "criticise him a little bit", but insulted him pretty violently. In everything you wrote, the only valid point is that he's arrogant, but it was just a response to all the hate he got. The guy is obviously not mean spirited in the slightest, and you're just demonstrating here how strong the bandwagon against him was and still is.

@@timpize8733 bro defending a loser narcissist, you are lame asf

So true!

Maybe he's neurodivergent in some way, that could explain the no-filter thing

i wonder if working at ubisoft turned him into this spiteful toxic person or if he was always like that 😂

@@DelPlays that doesn't remove the fact that Sean Murray and Hello Games did release an incomplete game, and the lack of communication post release did them zero favors either

@@DelPlays and that doesn't remove the fact that the game was clearly released incomplete, on top of the plethora of technical problems the game had

And apparently lived in a friggn' bubble if he honestly believed PCs are for spreadsheets. What a moron.

most polite french person

That statement makes me amazed that Fez turned out good at all. With his attitude, he could've made it one of the worst games to have ever been made.

Treat people how you want to be treated? I treated people well all my life and they treaded me like shit. I started to treat them like shit too and now they treat me with respect. Sorry bro but we living in an upside down world.

@@Zodroo_Tint I mean, it's still the same concept pretty much. You get treated like shit, you throw that shit right back at them. Not everyone in this world has common sense or is civil.

Exactly my thoughts. Phil dug himself a hole, took a break, and then made the hole deeper.

There's scammers, rapists and murderers in this world right? Yet an oversensitive dev with self esteem issues and fear of criticism gets a lot of hate online by the media and people think it's deserved, like it would somehow fix his mental health.

​@@Life-Sky Hitler existed, does that mean bad people shouldn't be criticized for their actions since "Hitler did worse"? No.

@@vitorgabrielgomesrodrigues calling the dev "bad people" is already subjective, like is he a bad person for being overreactive on twitter? Were in the scale of good to bad does he belong then?

@@Life-Sky That doesn't matter, just wanted to show how your argument makes no sense

Narcissist? Not so sure. But I get why you'd say that. Definitely has the vibe of someone with a class B personality disorder (under which NPD falls).

Phil is 100% NPD. The guy is obvious on camera. So you could tell how he is off camera. He clearly had the talent to go far but his narcissism overtook his potential.

Part of his problem i think was he didn't like being in the spotlight of the media after Indie Game the movie. His other problems include being a general shithead.

Phil Fish is a white Low Tier God with no muscles.

Pretty much. Screw the guy for being such an obnoxious asshole with thin skin

He’s the Rick Sanchez of Indie developers, competent but insufferable

​@@stingerjohnny9951 sorry if I reply to this old comment but no. He's nowhere near peak game designer, Fez's main mechanic (solving 3d puzzles in a 2d environment) is not new, and although he implemented it properly in his game, he's never going down in history as anything but an arrogant prick. Yes being a successful indie dev is a great feat, but there's people who manage to create more than one good game, or a VERY good game, or simply have more mental fortitude than LowTierGod.

@@HereTakeAFlower Oh damn, I forgot about low tier god XD

The worst he's done was be insensitive and mean, which set people off personally. People should be judged in an industry by their work, but he was harassed and doxxed out. Although he did apologize for what he said to that japanese guy, I think it's unreasonable to ask someone to change their entire personality just because you dislike his character. He honestly wasn't that bad. This entire thing is a reflection on how socially f-ed up the internet can be when they pick a trendy topic to lampoon.

Are you adult? Or have you ever tried to change yourself?

​​​@@doe-dw9loIf you're character is flawed then change it. It's not "unreasonable" to ask or tell someone to.

@@marymikel9193 I'm not saying you shouldn't change. I'm saying he didn't deserve what he got. and I'm not giving random scumbags online that win.

@@doe-dw9lo Well, sometimes when you do wrong, the consequences can seem greater than you expect.

Well most men can handle a little shit talk...

@@GoodfellasX21 Most men can't, and that's the problem with Phil. He can dish out shit talk with ease, but he literally crumbled when criticized himself. Don't confuse giving shit talk with taking it.

@@actualwafflesenjoyerlol racist

@@desmasic Is knowing about how Gamer Gate started integral to knowing that Phil is a dick? Serious question; I know very little about gamer gate.

​@@luckyducky7819Yes, he is somewhat involved, if that was a better word to put it.

Ed, not you

@@wikitiki209 ?_?

I think Edmund is one of the few people that are 100% neutral to Phil Fish

@@FadeScratch I’ll bet that pisses Fish boy off more than hatred. Nothing hurts an egotist more than someone who has absolutely no opinion of them.

@@FadeScratch Look up what a character named Judas wears in Edmund's Binding of Isaac game.

What sad is that it took decade to build up trust to be nice and civil and it only took 2 years to turn the whole community into one giant shithole thanks to one person

Nello way too nice to Anita Sarkisian. She’s a straight grifter that extorted studios with the threat of bad press to get consulting fees. She’s the worst of humanity. To me that was the only real sin Phil committed was defending her and the other grifters.

It's baffling to me that people are still so obsessed with hating Anita. She made some points you dont agree with, so what therefore if anyone says anything in agreement with any of her other points it discredits them? Like what are you even talking about here?

@@runnerup15 Not hate, disgust. I can't stand cowards who constantly spew fake shit in order to extract money from mediums with actual issues. At the very least its manipulative. Anita never championed anything but her own purse and that's crystal clear by the fact that she'll constantly change her stories to fit whatever narrative. If you wanna like her I ain't gonna stop you but your words really dont have any effect on my opinion about her.

@@runnerup15 No she hijacked and extorted studios with bad press and got herself consulting roles worth hundreds of thousands of dollars from said studios for “consulting”, and took money away from the developers and made stories worse in the process. If she’d spewed her nonsense without the extortion part, that’d be one thing, but that wasn’t her motive. It was to grift cash from honest devs she felt she could impugn.

Sit down, Tater Tot.

If he was the programmer then he definitely got a chunk of the profits. Everyone knows the art is nothing and coding is everything.

@@drygordspellweaver8761 "Everyone knows the art is nothing and coding is everything." Um, no, that's ridiculous.

First of all, I very much doubt that the only thing Phil contributed was the art. Either way, the artwork in Fez is not a dime a dozen, that's ridiculous.

@@KEVBOYMUSIC A pixel spite artist is a dime a dozen. A competent programmer takes decades of experience and a high IQ. You clearly can't program worth a damn.

@@drygordspellweaver8761if that were the case, then Shigeru Miyamoto wouldn’t have made Donkey Kong or Mario Bros back in the 80s if people thought Programmers were more important than Artists.

Honestly, do we even know if any of it was real, from what i remember it was just some rando's blog

@@WiiFan20XX Well, it's been a while, but given the way Zoey Quinn acted after that I think there's probably something to that 'sexual favors for good reviews' thing. Keep in mind that he continued to get money for a game that has (and likely never will) be completed (I think Jim Sterling (or whatever she goes by now, since they kept the channel name despite transitioning) even did voice work for it or something). She also lied about the Night in the Woods developer (based on the evidence anyway), which led to him offing himself, and her going into hiding on social media. I don't know if she ever came back after that.

@@flarestorm9417 They go by James Stephanie Sterling and are fine being referred to as either Jim or Steph. As for gamergate…that shit was just weird man…really fucked up and weird. A part of me believes it was all just a fever Dream I experienced while reading through Reddit.

Gamergate was a soda bottle that had been being shaken for a while. It's not like the animosity between gamers and journalists was anything new. It was also a hashtag, meaning anyone and their grandma could just post whatever rubbish they wanted, add the hashtag and just let it ride. Media spun it as if it was some kind of movement with a clear intention, which it was not, because while many did in fact believe in the message of ethics in journalism, it was also clear that alt-righters weaponized the whole thing like vultures. The responsible thing to do would have been to recognize the unorganized and diverse profile of people using the hashtag, but since the sensible part of the movement was anti-media to begin with, it was in the interest of journalism to paint them all in the same broad strokes of sexism and bigotry, which ended up escalating the mess, alienating more people and giving alt-righters what they wanted. As a result conservative channels skyrocketed in popularity.

@@WiiFan20XX "if any of it was real". oh yeah. i'm sure zoe quinn, who was part of a forum of people who's goal was to convince people to self forever sleep, and bragged about managing to do it, i'm sure she was actually a wonderful person. edit, oh and thats on top of the developer flarestorm mentioned, who she lied about and ended up self forever sleeping himself.

I urge you to give Braid a shot. In many ways (casting aside the fact that it's a platformer), I would consider Braid to be the antithesis of Mario from both gameplay mechanic and story perspectives.

They we're drunk on their success as the mediocre and pretentious twats they were, seing those opinions now it's Even more cringy than when they we're done, cause somehow they had a bunch of idiots licking their boots for some mid games

His Fez game literally borrows main mechanics from classic japanese video games. The dude is definitely odd lol

You can still find good traits of awful games. Bleak faith is a piece of garbage but still have amazing ideas and scenary. I don't think Japanese games are bad but there are a lot of trends present on Japanese game specifically that are awful and can be a breaking point for some people. You can say the same for western games, Slavic games, French games etc etc.

@@rafindeed I think Phil was disappointed with Japanese games in the ps3 era of games. He has a point, does he have to be so vague about it????

People like that live surrounded by ivory walls and never experienced true hardship in their life. Pretty much how to define hipsters as well

The tweet where Phil told that person to k*ll themselves was a quote from Futurama. It's entirely ironic.

Kinda ironic when majority of indie games are asset flips, stories withoverused tropes, text to speech voices and low efforted trash.

Good thing Toby Fox has since stepped in who is a big weeb, and Japanese devs will take his game design as innovative as well.

it's not that all AAA games suck it's the they rather make a copy of a game like assassins creed forever than risk making new ideas because it could fail so they rather play it safe and make another game they know people will buy again

they do though

It's 2024 and this bad take has aged like fine milk. Still going to say that AAA games are doing well, and the innovation isn't in the indie'er space? Been keeping up with news and insider news of the industry in, like, last decade? Cool stories, bro.

You don’t say they will take their victims into an alley and slit their throat?

@@Skubidi-qy8hb😂.

“That is the only way the Japanese dev would’ve commented on that incident.” The way you type this sounds more like you’re just assuming that than that you actually know it. Have you actually looked up what he had to say? Cause if not you’d honestly be just as bad as someone wrongly assuming the thanks was genuine imo.

I watched a few of her "Tropes vs Women in Video Games" videos and they're not as bad as people think. However some of her points were laughably dumb.

@@Nellooo Her videos are worse than people think. But I hope she sees this at least.

almost feel nostalgic towards it heh.. he escalated conflicts within the gaming industry and almost gave them a theatrical conclusion.

they are tho. those games are all really bad

Those games are all 20-30 years old. That's the point.

the problem, especially at the time, was that japanese games had stagnated and most japanese studios were trying to mimic western studios

It was just straight up racism common in the west around that time. The FF16 team recently said they consider the term JRPG to be a slur.

Don't worry, Yakuza will have his ass.

You're putting it WAY too mildly.

@@marioprawirosudiro7301 If Phil is this sensitive to any criticism??? Then maybe he should have kept a low profile or just give-up sooner???

Bad PR is still PR I guess. I think I wouldn't have known about FEZ without all the drama. And I guess watching the sales go up after posting a viral tweet or throwing up your opinion could accelerate this kind of behaviour.

@@SolocovGE Sadly that does make sense. Although I was able to know about what makes FEZ so great thanks to TV Tropes.

dude you still think Big Man Tyrone memes are funny

@@Malkmusianful Big Man Tyrone is in the documentary. It felt right that he should narrate the trailer.

i'll watch it and i hope it's actually factual and not some anti-feminist bullshit like many biased gamergate documentaries out there. though after visiting your patreon posts i lost a bit of hope.

@@AirplayDoc he was part of the time period too

@@b_delta9725 I make sure to stick to the facts in my documentary. I rely on primary sources wherever possible. I am not anti-feminist because I believe that feminism since its inception has splintered into a multitude of factions with mutually exclusive beliefs that the word itself is now meaningless. Plus the only thing on my Patreon is a blog post ranting about how much I hated Matt Walsh's "What is a Woman" documentary.

You must've missed the whole part when everyone and their grandmother was trying to figure out the mysteries of Fez, it was a great time and so was the Word puzzle, stop.

@@BigBoyPudgy No, it wasn’t. Its a bad decision by a dude with an ego and the internet finding something fun at the time doesn’t suddenly make it good

@@Assasin2 *cough* FNAF…

​@@stingerjohnny9951 First game is just a good game 🤭

@@Nikkkkkkkkkkk I’ll admit it was a fun little time waster with a spooky idea, but that’s all it really was to me as a game, a time waster.

Nobody gives a shit today about this platformer that wasn't even his idea to begin with. And even if we did, all of that achievement is possible without acting like a mentally challenged man child. Ever heard of Stardew Valley? Where's the Twitter drama surrounding that? Bro poured his heart out, actually created, coded and released a game, and then somehow didn't feel the need to use this popularity to cosplay a 4chan mod on crack. It can be done.

I assume there's a reason most successful businessmen (Elon Musk probably being the only outlier here) prefer to keep a low profile at all times.

hey, at least Cliffy and Jaffe actually made their bones first by making some classic games before they started running their mouths. Phil was already saying really dumb stuff and acting like his opinion on anything mattered long before his mediocre pixel game was released

@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk Well súper vocal ones like Elon and Donny boy aren’t good business men. They are spoiled brats who inherited most of their wealth and waste money on ego stroking stunts while expecting others to worship them.

​@@DioBrandoWRYYYYYYyes but jaffe opinión about Zelda and metroid reels resentment and the typical western devs undermining japanese games for clout, the indie Game movie reekes of the same bs and i always laugh about how Big mouthed they are to the same industry they take so much ideas...

@@diegosotomiranda4107 oh yeah, David Jaffe is a very bitter old lemon-faced has-been who's been desperate to be relevant despite the fact that he hasn't worked on anything big since 2007. But at least Jaffe actually did once make games that people liked, and I think he intentionally says controversial things so it'll be picked up by the media, because I feel like part of his bitterness is that he thinks he never got as famous as thought he should be. Phil on the other hand comes across as a guy who says really dumb stuff and then was surprised that people would call him out for it.

Most of the people hating on Phil were just as stupid.

@@TheTenCentStory Phil earned my eternal hate when he told the guy to off himself. I've lost two close friends of mine to that and have come damn close to it myself. F*ck Phil and f*ck anyone who tries to excuse his comments, especially that particular one.

​@@TheTenCentStorystop deflecting blame

@@TheTenCentStory mayhap that is the case, but when compared to being a public figure versus the common commenter/user you have to hold yourself to a better standard. Yes, most people where mean and “stupid” but, Phil came to their level and did the same thing. Both sides were bad yet, Phil had the most to lose as his every action was watched and was judged by the internet and world as a whole; his personality, demons, and mental health disregarded.

You’re a doormat

Additionally, he didn't even answer Makoto Goto's question. Goto's question was "Did any recent Japanese games inspire you?" And instead of answering, Phil Fish took the opportunity to shit all over Mr. Goto and the Japanese game industry. I am so glad karma take up to bite him in the ass for that. The sheer amounts of smugness and ego in that moment had to be punished, and they were.

Thank you! I hate people keep ignoring that part.

I was under the impression that she slept with more than a reviewer; rather, she... slept around quite a bit, while she was in a relationship with someone? I lose track of the details, but I seem to recall the whole thing was sordid and rather repugnant.

there was also the years of people noticing "game journalism" corruption, things like i think it was ign giving that kane and lynch game a semi decent review despite it being awful, at a time when the whole website was plastered with adverts for said game. So it was coming out how games studio were just out right paying for better reviews. And then other things coming out like a secret industry black/whitelist being orchestrated/enforced on a private email list, being used to silence and kick people out of the entire videogame industry. zoe quin was a particularly public example because it was combined with her being accused of being abusive (also combined with her "video game" being a html based website "choose your own story" that should barely qualify as a video game). yet the same people who would attack anyone else accused of anything were the ones defending her at the time. would be interesting to see the crossover of people who defended her and who now think russel brand should be deplatformed based on accusations. I'd imagine there a large overlap of people there. But yeah, theres a lot more to it than even all this, so this guy representation of what is what in this video is either lazy at best or intentionally manipulative at worst.

it's a major gaslight for sure.. every year that goes by it's like gamergate keeps getting proved right.

I think what's dumber is that Microsoft asked devs for THAT MUCH money, just for another patch

Sounds really dumb to ask for 40k as a patch fee

@@nsgames24 that's 4 cents a copy to implement a patch.

I believe it's 10k. Some publications report it back then

It is not dumb when considered in context. At the time, Microsoft was trying to reduce the number of patches. Some developers were abusing the patch system to make up for ineptitude. Nowadays, frequent patches are expected, but back then, developers were expected to have more stable releases. Additionally, network infrastructure was not as good or cheap back then, so it wasn't as easy as it is now to support frequent updates. Lastly, as somebody pointed out, Fish was complaining about what amounted to 4 cents per copy, which is pretty petty for four pretty pennies.

It's Depression Quest, though IIRC that allegation was false, he never reviewed it.

@IvanBaturaChannel Nathan Grayson did review and promote it while in a relationship with Quinn but this is nearly a decade old at this point.

@@AvousLP Could you point me to that review? I only found mentions of her games in a couple of his articles.

@IvanBaturaChannel I can't post them on KZfaq but Google Let's talk about Nathan Grayson's ethical breach. It has archived articles the originals are lost to time.

@@AvousLP The reddit post? That's what I found as well, but none of its sources are reviews, just mentions and quotes from her, among other people and their games.

Unfortunatley the gorced westernization is BEGINNING to ruing japanese games again.😩

​@@nunyabizfam106you mean like Forspoken? Yes I agree but still Japanese games are in a much better state than they were then.

And that's exactly why Japanese games (at least from the likes of Sony) are bad _even now._ The sooner Japan goes back to catering to Japanese sensibilities instead of the sensibilities of crybaby westerners, the better.

life lesson: don't be an asshole

Not been a prick would help too...but he couldnt help his douche nature

Unless you are Boxxy or Chad Warden.

And then it turned out Zoe Quinn was a terrible person, but people seem to forget that.

I saw the allegations against Quinn while researching, but just about everything I read said that they were false.

@@Nellooo I wonder how much of that was self-reporting on her end. Doesn't really matter now, though, considering the stuff she ended up in afterward being worse. Driving a guy to self-end himself after allegations were made (that ended up being false) and scammed Kickstarter campaign backers out of $85k, as well as a comic book that didn't really go anywhere. Could actually be an interesting topic to cover.

​@@Nellooo"they're false" It's easy to take something at face value. History is rewritten by the one who control the media.

@@lmno567 Was it confirmed that the allegations against Alec were false? They popped up around the time I decided to distance myself from all the drama. I know the ones against Avellone recently came out as false (though Zoey was not involved in those).

Honestly... I would've done something that petty. maybe even only give copies to really cool people.

More than likely he didn't have the ability too the guy was is and always been hot air more than likely FEZ 2 was never going to happen to begin and let's be real here how many people actually care that much about FEZ one the game left no cultural impact and only won 2 awards because the guys giving the awards had investments in FEZ

@@tophatsntales Really cool people wouldn't be friends with petty assholes.

Or maybee he's just a hack that couldnt replicate the "Magic" and choosed to lash out against everyone cause he would get exposed

Dudes a one hit wonder if he made fez 2 now it would flop, no one cares or knows about Phil fish anymore

Well you should also consider that it's not a creator's duty to manage social media and make you like them. Do you prefer fake corporate PR?

@@narwhalgamingvariety You got me wrong, I don't like anyone. Neither fake PR or up their own ass devs.

Nah you should have the nintendo mindset at those times. "Piracy is literally stealing money from us" think like that and pirate their games with a smile

@@newtonmarques1271 when I started my emulation days in 1998. Super Nes was my first emulation I started

@@hanchiman keep at it nintendo deserves it

She sparked rage in video game enthusiasts and made money outta it by making idiotic and wrong statements :) When someone is wrong, people tend to be very willing to make them informed by telling them the objective truth. Either she lives in a delusional bubble (probably) or she knowingly ignored the truths.

She had nothing to do with GG originally, people were mad that Zoe Quinn was fucking 5 guys for positive game reviews for her game Depression Quest and got pissed about integrity in gaming journalism. Anita cried sexism despite the same group (4chan's /v/ board) going after Gamespot just 7 years prior for being bought out by Kane and Lynch 2 and even firing a reviewer for saying he wouldn't be bought out and giving it a bad review. She purely brought it on herself so she could play victim and idiots like Nello blindly believed the media lol

You're probably correct in that assessment.

Seeing people casually mention Gamergate and then go off on how it was some extremist overreaction to supposedly tepid and completely upstanding "political correctness", let alone categorizing the movement as "chilling" or "threatening" is absolutely wild to me given I was around witnessing that particular shitstorm both before after and during. The best classification I can give GamerGate is that is was a consumer revolt against the utter corruption and identitarian infiltration of the gaming press as a whole. Specifically highlighted were issues of review scores being weighted based on personal relationships and political messaging. Additionally, of note was the reveal of an internal mailing list across the entire game journalist profession where individuals coordinated and conspired to push their own beliefs, agendas, and personal connections. That list being referred to as "GameJournoPros", and it was revealed to the public after coordinated articles claiming that "gamers are dead, gamers don't have to be your audience, gamers are all *assorted titles of bigot*.", were released within hours of each other on the same day from multiple supposedly independent outlets. Then came waves of censorship, blanket accusations of bigotry towards the entire audience, quashing of any criticism or reporting on the aforementioned conflicts of interest, and attempted rewriting of history to this day. For anyone curious about the group itself, it largely died off and splintered between individuals more interested in politics versus the hobby itself. As for a decent info repository, there was a place called deepfreeze, but I forget what the full address of it was. I'm sure with some digging you could find it, especially seeing as it has evidence of all these claims and more. I hope the revisionist history never takes hold, because it was obnoxious enough seeing the blatant slander even back then.

You the real ones for fighting against the history rewriting after all this time

Gamer gate was such a fever dream

Thank you!

Its on the GDC website, youtube doesn't allow me to post it in the comments though

i dont think all the people up there are devs. that other guy with the dark hair and glasses who looks like generic nerd. i forget his name. hes just a geek culture journalist who for some reason always gets on panels, award shows and things like that even though he doesn't make games.

Source?

Yeah it didn’t sit right with me that he just glossed over that.

Oh no, was the bullied person the composer for night in the wood...

If Phil Fish is your definition of a "normal guy" when compared to the gaming sphere, I can only assume that said sphere is hell on earth.

He is just an immature teenager in an adult body. Like many Twitter users

We’ve all had that cringy “I’m so smart” phase as teens, nothing to be ashamed of pal. … The cringe will never leave you though. One random night you will be awake in bed staring at the ceiling while thinking of some god awful thing you said.

There is a difference between your own likes and the objective truth. That is what makes this dude so awful. All he thinks is truth and must be seen as the truth....

@@DieterPrivate Honestly, the only thing he did was making a point in the most undiplomatic way ever, which was at the time pretty much mainstream opinion among western devs and gamers. But hearing it said out loud in such an unfiltered way just proved how bad and vile that mainstream take was and how much poison-tongued schadenfreude and arrogance was part of it.

I appreciate that!

​@@Nellooo hi

Engaging with your comment for the algorithm too.

​@@OldQueer Engaging with your reply, For the algorithm of course.

@@Cosmik60 thank you for your kind engagement. Here is some more engagement since I'm feeling generous.

he's always been an asshole.

He won't. He is too afraid of failure.

It used to go on sale a lot, not sure if it has recently :)

​@@Nellooo you are missing her point. We arent giving him money period.

More or less. I remember on a forum some guy made a thread complaining about Anita but many thought it was a locked thread since even if one didn't agree with any of Anita's points, the thread didn't have much substance to exist, all back in 2013.

this guy wont let facts get in the way of manipulating how people feel about something...