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Philippines Panabas Vs Dacian Falx! ...Weapon Comparison

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The Philippines panabas is a type of large, long-gripped chopping weapon used by the Moro and other Filipinos. The Dacian falx was used by the ancestors of the Romanians against the Romans. How do they compare, and how are they different? Previous video on the panabas • Obscure Filipino Weapo... and where to get a Dacian falx www.iamandi.ne...
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@genuinelyconcerned3504
@genuinelyconcerned3504 Жыл бұрын
Debates about whether something is a tool or weapon are usually a load of billhooks.
@dashcammer4322
@dashcammer4322 Жыл бұрын
A claw hammer is a tool and you can't hurt anyone with it.
@thekaxmax
@thekaxmax Жыл бұрын
if it's heavy enough to be used on wood it's almost definitely too heavy to be useful as a weapon. Example: the huge difference between a combat axe and a wood axe. Less difference between combat weapon and grass or hunting tool, of course.
@iankrom510
@iankrom510 Жыл бұрын
This is hilarious 😂
@EattinThurs61
@EattinThurs61 Жыл бұрын
Like a Swiss billhook?
@andrewprahst2529
@andrewprahst2529 Жыл бұрын
I once tried to tell a realtor friend that the stationary device he uses to pound for-sale signs into the ground could be the realtor's greatest weapon.
@jesseshort8
@jesseshort8 Жыл бұрын
I've never really thought about the mechanics of a curved blade the way you explained it with the edge bevel angle changing. Pretty cool.
@hendrikvanleeuwen9110
@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it is first time I have seen it described that way and I have watched it ton of these videos.
@Herbert_Eder
@Herbert_Eder Жыл бұрын
Your video about the Panabas inspired me to do what i usually never do - i was the one who edited the wikipedia page 😀 update: somebody has updated the wiki-page again meanwhile, now it's only "curved" instead of "backwards-curved" - your videos really do have an impact, nobody cared about the Panabas before you uploaded the video about it!
@cancerhands
@cancerhands Жыл бұрын
There were a few edits. Which one was yours? Were you one of the anonymous editors?
@Herbert_Eder
@Herbert_Eder Жыл бұрын
@@cancerhands - i had edited the first sentence - it is now "The panabas, also known as nawi, is a large, curved sword used by certain ethnic groups in the southern Philippines. " - it was "forwards-curved" before, i changed that to "backwards-curved", and now it's only "curved".
@cancerhands
@cancerhands Жыл бұрын
​@@Herbert_EderAwesome! People like you and those who help update inaccurate information are why humanity has hope. Thanks! 😁 Just to note, there was another big edit made just before you that ran through the entire article to change all of the many descriptions of 'forward curved' to 'backward curved', while also adding in some explanations. The first sentence that you edited seems to have been overlooked during that edit. It might be useful for you to edit your comment to state more specifically that you edited the first sentence only, but not the rest of the article. Aside from that, keep up the good work and thanks again! 😊
@shaider1982
@shaider1982 Жыл бұрын
I wish the Philippines' fantasy series ("panta serye") writers will have characters using these obscurw Filipino weapons.
@michaelcurl9200
@michaelcurl9200 Жыл бұрын
I will see what I can do
@PinoyBladeHunter
@PinoyBladeHunter Жыл бұрын
Netfllix Trese (animation) used different Philippine weapons, the panabas included. :) in Pinoy fantasy series, i think the series Bagani (ABS-CBN) featured weapons inspired by the panabas.. also in "Mulawin/Ravena" lore (panabas inspired weapon)
@mabeSc
@mabeSc Жыл бұрын
Great video! Looking forward to more Dacian content as it's extremely fascinating, such a shame that most of the Trajan's war written history did not survive. This is such a great topic to explore as they were quite different from Celts, Germanics and nomads in the north (usually Scythians). Also great explanation on the function of the curve in the sword 10/10
@cookie-_-crisp7191
@cookie-_-crisp7191 11 ай бұрын
Thank you! Finally someone explained why curved swords cut better. I really appreciate that explanation.
@CDKohmy
@CDKohmy Жыл бұрын
Falxes have been a big interest lately. Can you talk about some of its use outside Dacia and Thrace. I heard they became popular among Celts, and that there were other styles that looked more like seaxes and kopises.
@RolloTheWalker2
@RolloTheWalker2 10 ай бұрын
Wrong. The falx was not used by the celts, nor was it similar to the kopis or seax.
@a.e_man78789
@a.e_man78789 Жыл бұрын
Nice video!! Hope you would take a look at the Ginunting sword, another Filipino sword and the official blade of the Philippine marines. It's also a forward cutting blade more comparable to the falx, but shorter made as a martial weapon (practically in arnis/kali) and a tool.
@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis
@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis Жыл бұрын
I might be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure the /c/ in "Dacian" is pronounced like english /ch/, like in "Charly". Great Video as always Matt and i really appreciate the increased frequency of uploads recently.
@alexandervitali1295
@alexandervitali1295 10 ай бұрын
you're right :)
@adythedog
@adythedog Жыл бұрын
I don't think the Falx was used on horseback, because I imagine if the weapon got stuck even for a little while it could be lost. Between the two weapons I think there is another important difference: the range. Not just because there is a difference between the two swords shown as an example. But because the Falx can strike with the tip, while the back-curved one has the point of impact towards the middle of the blade.
@PalleRasmussen
@PalleRasmussen Жыл бұрын
A two-handed sword has shorter reach than a one-handed of similar length.
@alexhulea2735
@alexhulea2735 Жыл бұрын
as far as i remember, the falx was (at least according to some chronicles and images on Trajan's column) almost exclusively used by footsoldiers. not sure about larger blades being used in formation, but it sounds interesting as a possibility :3
@BiTurbo228
@BiTurbo228 7 ай бұрын
​@@alexhulea2735Formation fighting was often a lot looser than is typically depicted in the modern era. They did pack people together to resist missile fire, but didn't really fight in that close order. Even phalangites (who were more densely packed than, say, Romans) fought an arms width apart from each other. Plenty of space to move a falx around in.
@DukeOfTheYard
@DukeOfTheYard 4 ай бұрын
@@BiTurbo228 Actually it is the other way around. Formation fighting was a lot tighter than depicted in movies or other modern renditions. In the phalanx formation shields were supposed to overlap and your right side of the body was actually protected by the shield of the person who was standing to your right. So the formation was VERY tight.
@BiTurbo228
@BiTurbo228 4 ай бұрын
@@DukeOfTheYard It really wasn't. We have primary sources that describe how much space is supposed to be between men in a fighting formation. For Greek phalanxes it's an arms width from each other: when marching you reach out forwards with your arm, ball your fist and place it on the shoulder of the man to your right. When forming up, you then pivot 90 degrees so you end up an arms width + the thickness of a body from the next man. That is the fighting width of a phalanx, which they inherited from earlier hoplites. Roman legions were a little looser than that, arranging their fighting width by holding their arm out sideways with an extended hand and placing it on the next man's left shoulder, ending up an arm's width + a shoulder's width away from each other. Both legions and phalanxes had a tighter formation they could employ where shields would overlap, but this was _not_ used for fighting. It was used to receive missile fire when they weren't threatened by close combat. As soon as close combat was a risk, they spread out into their fighting formation of a little over an arm's width.
@gillesmeura3416
@gillesmeura3416 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Matt! I thought I had heard all your points about curved blades before, but I'm glad to see you have more in stock!
@maciejcygan5143
@maciejcygan5143 Жыл бұрын
The Wikipedia part is so wholesome :)
@laksivrak2203
@laksivrak2203 Жыл бұрын
I remember when we were all younger if you cited Wikipedia at college, they would laugh at you and say that’s not an actual source now people legitimately take it as a source times sure have changed😢
@Blowfeld20k
@Blowfeld20k Жыл бұрын
@@laksivrak2203 Yeah, I guess everyone with serious academic integrity stopped laughing, after several studies showed Wikipedia to be on average just about as accurate as academic textbooks. (Look for yourself, plenty of articles out there on the topic) IMHO, there is much to the idea that many people form self aggrandizing/serving ideas about the accuracy of informational sources that are NOT supported by evidence.
@markfergerson2145
@markfergerson2145 Жыл бұрын
As far as I’m concerned all wikis should be taken with a grain of salt (a five pound bag in some cases). Always check the references (if any) for accuracy and completeness. There are not a few wiki pages that look and read as scholarly and convincing but are based on utter trash. In this case though I agree completely. If Our Host can’t be taken as an authority on the subject, who can?
@Blowfeld20k
@Blowfeld20k Жыл бұрын
@@markfergerson2145 Surely ALL unreferenced sources should be approached with scepticism, not just Wikipedia, since It's fundamentally intellectually dishonest to have two different standards of veracity, that are applied based on whim. It's not like everyone with a clue doesn't know there are many text books out there with egregious errors, wikis just get fixed quicker and at lower cost. If only I could post links........
@vikingbushcraft1911
@vikingbushcraft1911 Жыл бұрын
@@Blowfeld20kinteresting - can you cite the studies please?
@ryanjamesloyd6733
@ryanjamesloyd6733 Жыл бұрын
on the falx- down in south arkansas, on a wall in a museum, there's a scythe made in that style, and its about 6' long overall. nobody knows what it was used for harvesting, as far as I know, but if you scaled that falx up to about 6', that is this thing..
@EattinThurs61
@EattinThurs61 Жыл бұрын
Saw a modern picture the other day with a woman holding a scythe with a very long straightbshaft and a falx style blade also very long, eastern Turkey or there about. Scythes used to look like that very long ago, can be seen on early medieval paintings.
@patrickselden5747
@patrickselden5747 Жыл бұрын
The falx was clearly a very nasty weapon - I look forward to your video testing it. ☝️😎
@LoreTunderin
@LoreTunderin Жыл бұрын
Love the videos on Philippino weapons
@andrewstrongman305
@andrewstrongman305 Жыл бұрын
I suspect that the falx was one of the reasons the Romans adopted the spatha as an infantry weapon. It also seems that the falx could only pierce armour if swung two-handed.
@tjingdjong9036
@tjingdjong9036 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video, however I have some serious doubt on falx's ability to compromise armor. Mainly for the fact that the falxes that are currently in National History Museum of Transylvania are only 300-400g in weight, and the Ursici one is 460g. That's very light considering they are mostly intact. There is also some doubt whether the Roman military really changed it's equipment in response to falxes, since some of the changes started well before encountering them.
@mabeSc
@mabeSc Жыл бұрын
There is indeed doubt about whether the change in equipment was to deal with Dacian tactics or not. From what I know the manica was used before but nowhere near as commonly as during the Dacian wars, at least from what I can gather. The helmet remains a big question mark as do many things, shame that not much of the Dacian wars survived...
@thaddeusgigachaddeus2954
@thaddeusgigachaddeus2954 Жыл бұрын
Maybe it could be the fact that ran helmets were segmented, so certain weapons could break those hinges? By segmented I mean those flappy ear protection things
@magnuslauglo5356
@magnuslauglo5356 Жыл бұрын
This was really fascinating, thank you. I have wondered about the relative merits of axe blades being angled downwards (like the one behind you on your right) or upwards like I've seen from high middle age Norway - can I assume that they principles your explain here apply with axeblade alignment too? Also, is there any curved weapon that is sharp on both sides and designed to be used in either or both ways depending on the situation? If not, are there obvious reasons why a weapons like that wouldn't make sense?
@EattinThurs61
@EattinThurs61 Жыл бұрын
I think I saw one once on the internet like a Kukri on one side and like a Parang/Panabas on the other...Asian? Seemed like a good idea.
@ScarecrowsSwords
@ScarecrowsSwords Жыл бұрын
The falx has the same shape as a keychain or military style mini can opener so it definitely makes since. This was an awesome video!! I love your content!!
@davidfletcher6703
@davidfletcher6703 Жыл бұрын
I kinda find it kinda funny that 24 hours after your last video someone went in and edited wikipedia, it kinda made me laugh a little
@DavyRayVideo
@DavyRayVideo Жыл бұрын
Not funny. Appropriate and intentional. Way it is intended to be used.
@davidfletcher6703
@davidfletcher6703 Жыл бұрын
@@DavyRayVideo, what was funny about it was it happened so fast, but if you don't think it was funny that's your business
@ehudzechariahschmidt7036
@ehudzechariahschmidt7036 Жыл бұрын
Another thing to add about the Dacian Falx is that its design could also allow it to rip body parts off.
@crazypetec-130fe7
@crazypetec-130fe7 Жыл бұрын
What I don't like about forward curved blades is that the center of mass makes them not want to stay indexed. It takes a little extra effort to keep the edge in line with the target.
@irrelevantfish1978
@irrelevantfish1978 Жыл бұрын
One thing about blade curvature that wasn't mentioned is that it moves the center of mass away from the grip axis, which causes inertia to either resist or assist edge alignment when the blade strikes the target. Forwards-curvature will promote alignment on impact, whereas backwards-curvature will tend to turn the blade around. The more resistant the target, the sharper the decleration, and the more pronounced this effect would be, offering another potential justification of the falx's effectiveness against Roman armor. However, the significant of that is debatable. While it concerned 19th-century sword experts, the science of the time was ... a bit spotty, shall we say, and it seems like backwards-weighted swords have vastly outnumbered forwards-weighted swords throughout history. Without some decent test data on the matter (which, to my knowledge, doesn't exist), I think it's safe to say that the effects are probably minor, at most.
@yourhighschoolenglishteach8405
@yourhighschoolenglishteach8405 Жыл бұрын
its always very funny when matt grabs a blade off his wall; i forget that it’s not just a green screen!
@Kinetic.44
@Kinetic.44 Жыл бұрын
A saber with a simple hilt and sharp false edge (like a scimitar) can do the Falx tip strike quite well by flipping it over. It reminds me of how a lot of Bowie knife fighting was done with the "beak" of the sharpened clipped point, for very deep snap cuts with the tip.
@davidioanhedges
@davidioanhedges Жыл бұрын
Wikipedia Edit : Thanks goes to user: Sentimex Extra thanks to anonymous user who removed "Battleaxe" ...
@hossep2695
@hossep2695 Жыл бұрын
Maybe the forward curve actually makes the blade less likely to get stuck in certain situations. If you strike a limb or neck with a forward curve, you'd be more likely to cut all the way through instead of stop halfway through. It would likely make it more likely to get stuck if striking a head or torso though.
@FortyTwoBlades
@FortyTwoBlades Жыл бұрын
As a scythe specialist I thought you might find it interesting that while you're largely correct about forward-curving edges gathering a cut, the curve in scythes and many (not all) sickles/grass hooks is largely to actually produce a greater *slicing* effect. Because most of the global regional styles of these tools are used in arcs, the forward curving edge assists in bringing the edge closer to parallel with the target, creating a pronounced slicing effect with greater edge engagement, which can be best thought of as the ratio of the units of edge length making the cut versus the depth of the cut produced. That is to say, if you chopped straight down on a 2" block with a flat-edged cleaver you would have 2" of edge engaged in the cut, in a 1:1 ratio. If you instead make a slicing stroke 9" long to cut an equal depth you will have 9:2 ratio of edge to cut width. This ratio is something that requires constant monitoring in scything to be simultaneously keeping your strokes sustainable and not over-taxing yourself and still mowing at an efficient and effective speed. Generally, the behavior of forward curved swords is very different than scythe blades as a result of their very different context of use and as such their different motion through space when engaged in their intended tasks.
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
Which could lead some, I suppose, to conclude that a khukuri is good for cutting/chopping wood (or flesh), while certain types of scythe is good for cutting grass… 😁
@FortyTwoBlades
@FortyTwoBlades Жыл бұрын
@@peterchristiansen9695 crazy, right? Who'd have guessed? 🤭
@BiTurbo228
@BiTurbo228 7 ай бұрын
This. My understanding of how falxes were used is in a bit of a draw cut, in addition to hacking motions.
@fuferito
@fuferito Жыл бұрын
I made this exact comparison between the ancient Dacian _falx_ and the Filipino _panabas_ in the last video featuring traditional Filipino edged weapon.
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 Жыл бұрын
The Falx is very similar to the African Shotel & Membele swords, although I don't know how far back in history either of the African swords go.
@MainlyHuman
@MainlyHuman 4 ай бұрын
I'd be interested to see the effects on a target. My guess would be that the backwards curve is more likely to result in surface-level lacerations and the forwards curve is more likely to penetrate deeply, potentially hitting vital organs. The other thought I had is that the slicing cut is less likely to interrupt a target's motion. Obviously it's going to hurt a lot but the target will be able to keep moving. The hooking effect of the forwards curve means that the target's own movements are likely to worsen the damage unless they take specific action to disentangle themselves.
@SpeedDemon_Editzzz
@SpeedDemon_Editzzz Жыл бұрын
The Lord of Arms is here🗿🗡🔥💯
@Diyel
@Diyel Жыл бұрын
A Falx is more similar to our Ginunting then, with the difference essentially being the difference between that of a Claymore and a Broadsword, as far as I can see.
@noelm7126
@noelm7126 Жыл бұрын
If you turn the panabas so as the sharp side is facing up it is also an eddective weapon. Some “tabas” as we call it in iloco has pointed hook at the top of the blade for hooking thick grass.
@willek1335
@willek1335 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making the video. :D
@nikemozack7269
@nikemozack7269 8 ай бұрын
A forward cutting blade, will make contact with the target faster than a backward cutting blade, or straight one for that matter.
@lexlier8336
@lexlier8336 Жыл бұрын
glad if you could feature SANSIBAR from eastern part of the Visayas in the Philippines
@MarkHoward-ii3op
@MarkHoward-ii3op Жыл бұрын
Curious about the existence of Romanian replica medieval swords, I Googled those words and found a site advertising a “Sica sword.” It’s a broad-bladed two-edged dagger with a 45-degree bend about two-thirds of the way from the wooden rondel-style grip to the tip of the 14½ inch blade. The ad calls it a gladiator weapon. It’s an odd-looking knife whose purpose eludes me. Have you done videos about gladiator-specific weapons?
@cmikles1
@cmikles1 Жыл бұрын
I believe he talks about Sicas in this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eshnfdeCla_ZomQ.htmlsi=y0dU51QtrYHpTtyY
@matthiasthulman4058
@matthiasthulman4058 Жыл бұрын
Could be wrong here, but I have read that the sica was used by Thracians and one distinct use was to reach around shields and hamstring the opponent. Of course I may be misremembering but that's what I have for you. Edit. I just got to the part of the video where he says what I said lol
@MarkHoward-ii3op
@MarkHoward-ii3op Жыл бұрын
@@matthiasthulman4058
@funwithmadness
@funwithmadness Жыл бұрын
I'm curious if you know of any examples of swords that have the same basic shape of the falx but have edges on both sides allowing for the user to alternate between forward or rearward facing curves?
@partnershipdevresearch5991
@partnershipdevresearch5991 4 ай бұрын
Panabas root word "tabas" my language which means to cut used refer to cut grass. Therefore longer handles, curved backwards, but blade is outside the curving side. The serrations at the back is only one kind of hook which is used by the user to pull grass closer him/her
@wonderbat9
@wonderbat9 Жыл бұрын
Hiya, recent subscriber and really enjoying the videos, thank you. I do hate to be that guy but it's pronounced Datchia/Datchian, keep up the good and interesting work, all the best, D
@Kinetic.44
@Kinetic.44 Жыл бұрын
The Pababas strikes me as a machete/axe hybrid, no wonder it's still used as such. The long handle is a good way to have a more rigid blade for the same overall length. Saving raw materials and being easier to forge is a nice bonus as well.
@SoloQueueGamer
@SoloQueueGamer 11 ай бұрын
That Falx looks very similar to the Filipino Ginunting blades. 🙂 Also, the word "Panabas" came from the root word "Tabas" which is one of the many word that means "To cut".
@bladetasticknives5712
@bladetasticknives5712 Жыл бұрын
Very good explanation my brother 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@matthewschwoebel8247
@matthewschwoebel8247 Жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on the falx in a one-on-one fight? Would that forward curved blade make sniping opponents hands on a parry more likely?
@yousarrname3051
@yousarrname3051 Жыл бұрын
What is the difference with machete and panabas? as tools and as weapons.
@ramibairi5562
@ramibairi5562 Жыл бұрын
Matt deserves billions of likes ❤
@dreembarge
@dreembarge Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Matt.
@cal2127
@cal2127 Жыл бұрын
seems like itd be useful to use the falx to hook shields and pull them away
@michael3088
@michael3088 Жыл бұрын
that Naginata blabe would look magnificent in full polish
@tisFrancesfault
@tisFrancesfault Жыл бұрын
One thing I would say immediately before watching is that the Falx was an Iron, the panabas tended to be steel. As a material consideration the Iron would be far more likely prone to deformation. The panabas I image was a bit more typically more durable.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure that distinction is really correct. Lots of steel was being made in the Roman era - Roman swords are made of steel. I have not honestly looked at the composition of archaeologically found falx though. And as for 19thC Filipino weapons, I have to say that they tend to be fairly soft in my experience, having restored a fair number. While most of them are probably steel, I don't think they were generally very hard at the edge, and they were edge-quenched rather than spring tempered, so they are also able to be bend and straightened. They are not springy like a European sword.
@jesseshort8
@jesseshort8 Жыл бұрын
Destruction of the legionnaires helmet anywhere in the pipeline Matt? Idk why keep thinking about that.
@tisFrancesfault
@tisFrancesfault Жыл бұрын
​@@scholagladiatoria So, This is me recalling stuff from years ago; and I may very well be miss remembering this. but what I under stand is a lot of the Iron was, Ive seen said to be a high carbon iron, rather than steel. I suppose its arguably a question of semantics regarding Steel", but one that would likely be noticed, particularly on large single pieces of metalwork. IIRC case hardening was the method at the time, but that was variably of too little carbon, or over hardened, effectively becoming cast iron, and not true steel. Flaxs are typically large and would impact integrity over that of say a gladius, or spear with the same issues. Larger the object the more likely the flaws. Filipino weapons were using even if relatively soft south Asian (and fairly plentifully produced) steel would be better on the whole. Roman era European metal work being inferior to 10th century Europe, let alone Asian steels. But Again I accept if wrong in this.
@inisipisTV
@inisipisTV Жыл бұрын
@@tisFrancesfault- From the Philippines. Based on Japanese records when they were planning on invading Korea, they also plan on invading Taiwan and Luzon (the Philippines biggest island) years before the Spanish colonization. They recorded from their spies and scouts that the island of Luzon has plentiful of good Iron and gold (still a major mining resource). Though I don’t think the Steel production in the island is comparable to that of Japan and China. Yes, Steel production quality improved when the Spanish came and were applied in making very good knives, Blades and Gun manufacturing, but I think the modern process wasn’t passed on to the Native Traditional Sword making sphere (probably, the traditional sword smiths were suspicious and weary of the newer techniques). My Father is former army officer and was dispatched into the deep south during the 70’s to handle with our own "Troubles" with Islamic terrorist. He also collected various antique Swords that he brought home. The real antique Moro or Southern Philippine swords tend to be more smaller, darker and thinner. I agree with Matt, they are much softer than most modern blades. They are very Sharp and yes, from my father’s experience in the south, they are very capable in cutting a persons head off. If I compare it to Northern Philippine made sword replicas, that uses more modern techniques, the comparison is quite noticeable even to a non-expert (like me) I think this stubborn use of old techniques even to near modern age is the reason why most South East Asian swords tend to have smaller blades than in those North East Asian countries. Funny enough, the modern replica, though are tougher, feels harder and sturdier, doesn’t chop wood as easily as those authentic ones.
@stefthorman8548
@stefthorman8548 Жыл бұрын
@@jesseshort8 there's an channel that used an falx against an mild steel helmet, and it goes through. the video is called "Dacian falx Vs Roman armor & shield equivalents!"
@balaam_7087
@balaam_7087 Жыл бұрын
I’ve only watched a couple of your videos, and my knowledge of swords is pretty much limited to ‘they’re sharp and dangerous’, but I just want to say I think you have a talent for teaching. The way you condense information and explain things is very effective. I did have a (potentially stupid) question about today’s video: You kept saying the Falx is a forward curving blade. Couldn’t you just flip it around and swing it the opposite way, making it also a backward curving blade? 😅 The only thing I can think of is that maybe it isn’t sharpened on that side or something
@Herbert_Eder
@Herbert_Eder Жыл бұрын
That's right - no edge on that side!
@balaam_7087
@balaam_7087 Жыл бұрын
@@Herbert_Ederaha, that makes sense then. Thanks for replying. If I could bend your ear once more though, why couldn’t it be sharpened on both sides? Is there a reason?
@Herbert_Eder
@Herbert_Eder Жыл бұрын
@@balaam_7087 There can be a multitude of reasons, that's a whole discussion there. You may take a look at a video by Skallagrim - look for "The Pros Cons of Single-Edged Swords vs. Double-Edged" There is a lot more to it than "just sharpen the other side", it's also about blade geometry, maintenance, time and costs of production, ....
@andrewli6606
@andrewli6606 Жыл бұрын
@@balaam_7087 That gets complicated really fast. The conversation about single vs double-edged swords is very complicated. Short answer is it wouldn't be prudent to just sharpen the other side of a dedicated single-edged sword. The cross section for a single edged sword is like a triangle and a double-edged sword is like a diamond (overly simplified, but to illustrate the point). You'd have to remove a lot of material to change the triangle to the diamond shape. A sword does need a certain amount of mass to cut through stuff. Lighter doesn't equal better and removing material like that also makes it weaker. Now the question of why isn't every sword in the world double-edged and would that be better is even more complicated and is a much more complicated answer than what I'll type in a comment.
@moc6897
@moc6897 Жыл бұрын
I like to hear your explanations!
@zyraxesdac7583
@zyraxesdac7583 3 ай бұрын
Potentialy used by a kind of berserk of the wolf totem to break the ennemy line or shock unit
@chpet1655
@chpet1655 Жыл бұрын
This video will come in handy for the people of the Philippines because as we all know they are under severe threat from the Dacian’s right now…..thoughts and prayers 😏
@abnerdoon4902
@abnerdoon4902 Жыл бұрын
Only for those who use the Panabas, more Filipinos would most likely use a Bolo, a Kalis or a Kampilan.
@aurelian2668
@aurelian2668 Жыл бұрын
​@@abnerdoon4902 nah, a pinuti would be the most common
@kzm-cb5mr
@kzm-cb5mr Жыл бұрын
@@aurelian2668pinuti is just used by Cebuano-speakers... not even Warays and Ilonggos use it
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 Жыл бұрын
If one does a false edge cut with a straight blade & leads with the tip one can somewhat simulate the scooping of a forward curved blade.
@Ciprian-IonutPanait
@Ciprian-IonutPanait 9 ай бұрын
11:00 The point was not for it to be stuck in the target. There were 3 main moves : chop off arms, chop off legs, split open heads. Only the third move has a real danger of getting stuck.
@happypuppy8221
@happypuppy8221 11 ай бұрын
Make both edges sharp. You can use to slice or pick.
@lancemaksi
@lancemaksi Жыл бұрын
Could you review keris or kris from java, indonesia
@PinoyBladeHunter
@PinoyBladeHunter Жыл бұрын
the Philippines has another forward curving blade type called "ginunting" (different from the ginunting of Bicol, but the ginunting of the Panay islands)
@farkasmactavish
@farkasmactavish Жыл бұрын
Forwards-curving blades also more naturally follow the motion of your arm as you thrust!
@raphlvlogs271
@raphlvlogs271 Жыл бұрын
A falx blade put on a great sword hilt will make a formidable weapon for fighting against groups of people
@frogurtand
@frogurtand Жыл бұрын
Ever notice how early halberds had edges that were convex, like a Dane axe; after that they were straight; later they got more and more concave? Similar mechanics and usage as here?
@shade9592
@shade9592 Жыл бұрын
Panabas compared with dha please. You mentioned that the panabas seems to have from the dha. So a comparison would be enlightening. The precolonial kingdoms and even the colonial noble houses of the Philippines had long standing relationships with the rulers and noble houses of the Kingdom of Ayutthaya, even to the point of sending arquebusiers to help them fight in the various wars of the 18th century. IDK if this is how the panabas came to be... SEAsian history is so broad and complex, IDK if this is even something you know about but the comparison would still be enlightening.
@garywithers852
@garywithers852 Жыл бұрын
In some ways, a curved blade is like the swept back wings of a plane, narrowing the cross section.
@climbernerd5995
@climbernerd5995 3 ай бұрын
Just thought I should mention that your edge bevel maths might be off. Not in such a way that (I think) changes the concept your describing. Just that I think the change in bevel angle won't be linear so it's likely that 45 degrees wouldn't change a 40 degree to a 20 degree (but still change it to a more acute bevel angle).
@Lucius1958
@Lucius1958 Жыл бұрын
This may be repetitious, but I still would like to see a bit on *laterally* curved swords, such as the mandau. What advantage would that curve have?
@alexhulea2735
@alexhulea2735 Жыл бұрын
the panabas in the video has similar proportions to a nagamaki. that has some possibilities.....if used with both hands on the hilt
@noblemanraisedinabettertim6171
@noblemanraisedinabettertim6171 Жыл бұрын
Excellent
@gaylordfrancisco8928
@gaylordfrancisco8928 11 ай бұрын
It is a farming tool but it was also the primary weapon that was used by Filipinos against the Spanish colonization since the Filipinos were prohibited to own a weapon so they used what they have for war. The Spaniards when they saw the Panabas they allowed it since it was being used as well for farming.
@BlackJar72
@BlackJar72 Жыл бұрын
Now, what about the falx versus the Ethiopian shotel?
@dioscoroalvarado924
@dioscoroalvarado924 10 ай бұрын
sir can compare the filipino ancient sword called Kampilan sword to any sword would you want to compare with? if you have a Kampilan sword
@AlexandruVoda
@AlexandruVoda Жыл бұрын
@scholagladiatoria I wonder if another reason for the shape of the falx might be that it might have been made by the same people who made scythes and therefore it shared manufacturing steps with scythes. Maybe scythes could even be easily converted into falxes and back. Scythes I have seen have the metal blade twist (for proper angling)and wrap around the wooden handle but what if there was an alternate way to link the blade to the handle enabling dual or triple use as a sickle and a falx just by changing the handle. Taking apart scythes is common because they are very unwieldy otherwise.
@EattinThurs61
@EattinThurs61 Жыл бұрын
Actually scythes where like that ar the time. Modern ones has had two thousand years of improvement. Still exists scythes like that.
@AlexandruVoda
@AlexandruVoda Жыл бұрын
@@EattinThurs61 care to explain what you mean by "like that"? Like what?
@Kinetic.44
@Kinetic.44 Жыл бұрын
The Falx blade is much more sword like, basically a saber edged on the wrong side. It may have been inspired who knows. The War Scythe was originally modified farm equipment, but that's a polearm.
@lscibor
@lscibor Жыл бұрын
@@AlexandruVoda Ancient "scythes" or sickles of the regions were probably built about like falx, for most part. Scythes like we know today, with long handle, blade at the right(ish) angle to the handle got popular much later. Majority of the world was still reaping with sickles all the way into 19th century. In 1 century AD Romans supposedly were using some pretty modern-like scythes sometimes, Dacians probably not.
@elyusmechanicalengineering8898
@elyusmechanicalengineering8898 10 ай бұрын
Panabas also has a wavy and pointy version.
@jwnomad
@jwnomad Жыл бұрын
What's the difference between a panabas and an elven high warrior sword?
@smilodnfatalis55
@smilodnfatalis55 11 ай бұрын
I believe the Ginunting is a Filipino forwards-curving blade comparable to a falx
@pinarppanrapir9489
@pinarppanrapir9489 Жыл бұрын
Here's a recommend for an obscure weapon: indonesian balato sword. The version that looks like a type 2 falchion.
@tonybennett638
@tonybennett638 Жыл бұрын
Matt 👍
@Poohze01
@Poohze01 Жыл бұрын
Am I imagining it, or does that antique Dha you were waving around have an oval handle? I couldn't get a good look at it, and it seemed round at the butt end, but the section nearer the blade, in your hand, immediately struck me as being more oval. Intriguing...
@aldrinmilespartosa1578
@aldrinmilespartosa1578 Жыл бұрын
Ginunting is a similar comparison.
@allengordon6929
@allengordon6929 Жыл бұрын
Cristian's surname is pronounced Ya-mandi. Ia is always prounounced Ya in romanian
@statendrei5
@statendrei5 Жыл бұрын
the dacian sword is actualy used for cutting grain. like a scythe. dacians, thracians and gaetians lived in peace and spoke the same language. we needed weapons when the romans, turkish and hungarians attacked us.
@btrenninger1
@btrenninger1 Жыл бұрын
Were there any panabas sharpened on both sides? Could then be reversed and get some of the advantages of the falx.
@coldenhershey857
@coldenhershey857 Жыл бұрын
Would a falx be able to counter a samurai katana?
@-RONNIE
@-RONNIE Жыл бұрын
Good video
@cal2127
@cal2127 Жыл бұрын
is that a falx or a rhomphia. the handle looks a little short for a falx.
@toddellner5283
@toddellner5283 Жыл бұрын
Re: the panabas being used as a slicing/chopping tool. If it's an effective, sturdy slicing or chopping tool it's not at all surprising that the same design gets used for slicing and chopping people and vegetation.
@shadowfox3392
@shadowfox3392 Жыл бұрын
Where can I get a Dacian Falx like that one!?
@kaoskronostyche9939
@kaoskronostyche9939 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this discussion. I got criticized because they look kind of similar. Whatever - people ...
@user-bj5xr5ju4n
@user-bj5xr5ju4n Жыл бұрын
best man Matt`s sword handling is on another level. id definitely hack myself up if i did those acrobatics with those blades for sure.
@DrequAngelic
@DrequAngelic Жыл бұрын
Sica was not inspired by the falx. It was a kind a knife. Iamandi makes them too.
@PJDAltamirus0425
@PJDAltamirus0425 Жыл бұрын
Also is the chambering thing the reason why forwards curves blade weren't has internationally common after the ancient period? Armor was so well developed that you weren't guarenteed to punch armor and kill with the and has higher likihood of getting jammed, where as a curved blade is less to damage a target but less likely to jam, so you just aim at a unarmored spot? It you want to kill a man through armor instead of bypassing it, a sword just wouldn't cut it no matter how it is shaped.
@that75_ishguy8
@that75_ishguy8 6 ай бұрын
The falx looked like SANGOT in our filipino blade.. but categorized as a tool..🇵🇭 SANGOT AND Falx are closer in design but different in use..another close comparison is GINUNTING which is now currently used as part of the basic arms of phil. Marines..do check. I hope you can make a content about it👍👍
@SilverTemplar
@SilverTemplar 11 ай бұрын
Hey, I have that falx. It's really nice, I definitely abused the hell out of it when I got mine (don't worry it is still in great condition). I found that it cuts surprisingly great.
@LaughOutLoudRudeeLoop
@LaughOutLoudRudeeLoop 5 ай бұрын
3:53- Haft?
@makieRN
@makieRN Жыл бұрын
Legend has it that a PANABAS was used to circumcise a tiny wee fly and live.. (you're turn FALX)
@PalleRasmussen
@PalleRasmussen Жыл бұрын
I am trying to think of backwards curwed blades from Antiquity, but cannot. Am I alone in that?
@darkalystar
@darkalystar Жыл бұрын
The kopesh is kind of like that but unique in many other ways
@anthonyjbargeman5280
@anthonyjbargeman5280 Жыл бұрын
I would have thought they be more akin to a hand and a half or bastard grip.
@dwaneanderson8039
@dwaneanderson8039 Жыл бұрын
Another difference is that the backward curving blade pushes the target away from you while the forward curve pulls it towards you. I personally would prefer to push my opponent away to keep distance, but there could be advantages to pulling them in depending on your fighting strategy.
@filamrider
@filamrider Жыл бұрын
Pang TABAS we called that in the Northern Region 1 most for clearing schrubs, canes, twigs, grasses etc etc.... not for cutting meat you can definitely but for that purpose we used buneng or bolo or kutselyo... PANABAS and PANG TABAS same just call it differently from different region in the islands... Cheers 🍻🍻🍻🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱
@kzm-cb5mr
@kzm-cb5mr Жыл бұрын
Yes, in Tagalog region too... panabas/pangtabas/pantabas... all derived from "tabas" (to trim/chop).
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