Philosophy’s Most Famous Argument (And Why It's Wrong)

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Cogito Ergo Sum - I think, therefore I am. This is perhaps the most famous argument in philosophical history. But we rarely stop to consider what this actually means, and whether it might actually be mistaken.
Get ready to delve into the mind of Rene Descartes, and see what the great French Philosopher has in store for us all.
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00:00 Cogito Ergo Sum
00:53 I doubt, therefore, I panic
04:23 I think, therefore, what?
08:54 I think, therefore, existence is fleeting
12:18 I think, therefore, I mistake
16:25 I think, therefore, I'm not
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Translation of Descartes: shorturl.at/aLO01
Alex O'Connor Video: • "I Think Therefore I A...
Anatta-lakkhana Sutta: accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/...
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@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
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@Here4TheHeckOfIt
@Here4TheHeckOfIt 3 ай бұрын
"I doubt, therefore I panic" resembles a bad acid trip.
@Flock13
@Flock13 3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@MadMaaax
@MadMaaax 3 ай бұрын
😭😭😭
@Eatzbugs
@Eatzbugs 3 ай бұрын
Cut it short and doubt your doubt
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Haha! The meta-sceptical position we didn't know we needed
@celestialhylos7028
@celestialhylos7028 3 ай бұрын
Lmao....At least Doubt exists.
@Ididor
@Ididor 3 ай бұрын
​@@celestialhylos7028 Or does it?
@Rozpor7
@Rozpor7 3 ай бұрын
​@@Ididor Since you are doubting his speech it exists
@Ididor
@Ididor 3 ай бұрын
@@Rozpor7 yes but only if you don't doubt logic itself. but then it all goes fucked anyways.
@alexanderflood1462
@alexanderflood1462 3 ай бұрын
We might not be certain what "actually exists" in "reality" - but even if we can't percieve our emotions clearly, don't they still exist as an ill-defined blob? Even if our "self" is an illusion, aren't we perceiving the illusion? Barring a state of nirvana, can't we be certain that phenomena are "phenom"-ing? Great video by the way
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! And that's an interesting perspective! Though the arguments by Schwitzgebel do seem to show we can doubt even our judgments of our own perceptions
@nightvision3182
@nightvision3182 3 ай бұрын
There is no we if the perception is an illusion. The source of thinking is not clear, so what is thinking?
@baronvonbrunn8596
@baronvonbrunn8596 3 ай бұрын
@@nightvision3182 Thinking is just another thing that can be perceived. It doesn't matter who is thinking as long as someone/something is perceiving the process of thinking.
@nightvision3182
@nightvision3182 3 ай бұрын
go play with your playstation dude. what nonsense are you talking about. We have zero idea what thinking is and why we think, clown@@baronvonbrunn8596
@Bf26fge
@Bf26fge Ай бұрын
Doubting judgments of our own perceptions is not the same as doubting perception exists or doubting phenomena exist. I'm not sure our philosopher answered your question. I dont think the conclusion that phenomenon might not be phenomenoming is valid from the conclusion that we can doubt our perceptions either. The full argument our youtube philosopher refers to may demonstrate both that we can doubt perceptions exist or that phenomena exist, but the answer does not remove the doubt that we can actually doubt the existence of those two things, unless I misunderstood, which i doubt.
@gigasus77
@gigasus77 3 ай бұрын
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@dgmrdvd
@dgmrdvd 3 ай бұрын
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@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
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@duckduckgoose240
@duckduckgoose240 3 ай бұрын
Haven't watched yet, but I swear, your insights on philosophy are always so intriguing. Thanks for making these videos :>
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! I am glad you are enjoying them!
@pedrominicz
@pedrominicz 3 ай бұрын
Its good to catch one of your videos so early. I can't watch it right now, but I've been watching your videos and will make sure to check this one out later today. Good video essays.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! That's very kind! I especially appreciate the support on these more analytic videos because they are a bit less sensational so they have a tendency to underperform
@InvalidGoose
@InvalidGoose 3 ай бұрын
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@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! And it is certainly on my list, I just want to make sure I am not just repeating what other people have said about him
@Akkodha.
@Akkodha. 3 ай бұрын
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@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
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@gailsparrovv
@gailsparrovv 3 ай бұрын
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@davidfescoto3981
@davidfescoto3981 3 ай бұрын
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@user-tk1sn4wf4p
@user-tk1sn4wf4p 3 ай бұрын
Finally you posted!
@psychologynerd7280
@psychologynerd7280 3 ай бұрын
I find it interesting that Descartes' philosophy almost perfectly resembles that of depersonalization and derealization disorder. He may have had it in his time.
@isaacromero3475
@isaacromero3475 3 ай бұрын
Likely not. Descartes was attempting to build an epistemological foundation for the sciences and philosophy. Descartes was educated in Aristotelian-scholastic philosophy but given various incidents in the early modern period, Descartes grew to doubt that method and sought a better way to approach philosophy
@TheSSJEnder
@TheSSJEnder 3 ай бұрын
@@isaacromero3475it could be possible with that still being true, remember I believe he was a soldier when this was happening and during the time period he was writing this a ton of the fundamental things of his time were changing and flipping in terms of importance, so him trying to find something stable to ground things in could’ve also been therapeutic
@leighlendthorne2114
@leighlendthorne2114 3 ай бұрын
I have always been deeply interested in this kind of philosophy but also very unsure of my mental sanity and have researched dissociative disorders such as this much because of how much it resembles my problems. Now I don’t know I have a dissociative disorder of some sort or not
@ElonMuskrat-my8jy
@ElonMuskrat-my8jy 2 ай бұрын
​@@leighlendthorne2114Usually DID comes from SA and SRA as a child. Dr. Colin A. Ross wrote about it in The Osiris Complex.
@AndalusianLuis
@AndalusianLuis Ай бұрын
Or Existentialism-themed Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder
@tendiesoffmyplate9085
@tendiesoffmyplate9085 3 ай бұрын
The precise application of pain makes the ability to doubt impossible
@abdulstuntin5101
@abdulstuntin5101 3 ай бұрын
Pain is an abject, inescapable, innate idea.
@robinmiller871
@robinmiller871 3 ай бұрын
Tell that to my cat.
@thechunkmaster8794
@thechunkmaster8794 3 ай бұрын
This feels like a quote from The Princess Bride.
@tendiesoffmyplate9085
@tendiesoffmyplate9085 3 ай бұрын
@@thechunkmaster8794 Or Hellraiser.
@How_to_Peaceoffical
@How_to_Peaceoffical 3 ай бұрын
Great work very easy to understand.👍
@sionthomastate3821
@sionthomastate3821 3 ай бұрын
Listening to this on a bus, from Sunderland and hearing you say it I had to double check 😂
@gluteusmaximus5094
@gluteusmaximus5094 3 ай бұрын
i'm currently reading a book linked to this topic. it talks about the "self" from a neuroscientistic perspective and how it actually confirms the buddhist views. they've discovered that there is no specific region in the brain responsible for the "I"-feeling. we often think there is an "I" who thinks our thoughts but this book speaks about it actually being the other way around. the thoughts we have rather create the "I" - or the illusion of the "I". the one to blame is our Left Brain Hemnisphere, which is responsible for pattern recognition, speech/language, "mapping" and categorization. the scientist michael gazzaniga discovered that our LBH creates explanations and reasons to make sense of what's happening around us - he calls this the "interpreting Authority". he also discovered that its interpretations are often completely wrong, like it's just making things up based on our own personal experiences. the book is called "Kein Ich, kein Problem" (german for "No I, No Problem") by Dr. Chris Niebauer. i tried to explain and translate it as far as i understood it. i'm not through with it so i don't fully understand it yet but i find this approach really interesting. and potentially groundbreaking.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Ah that sounds very interesting!
@jacksonletts3724
@jacksonletts3724 3 ай бұрын
There isn’t an English translation is there? I’ve heard of the concept before, but I’d like an actual book to explain it to me.
@gluteusmaximus5094
@gluteusmaximus5094 3 ай бұрын
@@jacksonletts3724 actually i found something on amazon. "no self, no problem - how neuropsychology is catching up to buddhism", chris niebauer. maybe this helps :)
@richardcheney6964
@richardcheney6964 2 ай бұрын
@@jacksonletts3724 There's a section in The Righteous Mind by Haidt about the same concept. But he calls 'interpreting authority' the 'rider' as if it were a guy riding on the back of an elephant.
@Mafyeux
@Mafyeux 13 күн бұрын
As the most casual armchair philosopher, I've been looking deeply into theories of mind, the self, and the brain's part in all of it (even tying in some spiritual concepts of the soul), and the entire scope of science, philosophy and spirituality on this topic is intensely fascinating to me. 'I think therefore I am' has been said to be a most foundational conclusion, but I've developed a belief that this conclusion can only lie on top of other truly foundational existential conclusions that are necessary to understand the nature of mind. The element of 'am' in the statement betrays a truth so foundational as to be silly to even say- existence exists. Even more foundational than that is the condition under which existence must exist, the pure potential of existence itself. So, if we are looking for the indubitable, we can say that there at least must be the pure potential of existence, as well as the existence which has grown out of that potential, for the 'I' to exist within. When you come at all this from such a deeply existential perspective, you can start to dissect what the 'I' may be, as well as concepts of mind, consciousness, thought, and perception. When you really start interweaving the science and philosophy, spirituality becomes at least a possibility, if not a probability in some form. I am actually writing a book about my conclusions in this area, and I think it could really change how we live and operate our world. One of the keys is actually creating cohesive understandings of the concepts of consciousness, mind, and being, which are all in my view, distinct states of existence. At some point I found myself drawn into panpsychism, but I realized that the idea of the universe as a great conscious thinking mind didn't make sense to me, so I started separating out elements that seemed unlikely, for instance thought and perception, from the idea of pure being. I came to feel that the universe, existence itself, could indeed be comprised of such pure being, with only something like our brains needed to add the elements of consciousness, thought, and perception for us to actually experience that existence. When we say 'God is in all things', I believe we may be referring to that pure being, when we refer to God as a creator, we may be referring to the pure potential of existence bringing everything into being, like a great imagination of all things. I will really need an entire book to flesh out these ideas, but I'm really excited about it!
@Lichnaya_pravda
@Lichnaya_pravda 3 ай бұрын
I feel, therefore I am. "Think" is only a sort of feeling.
@Carnyx_1
@Carnyx_1 3 ай бұрын
The assertion that according to Descarte if we stop thinking even for a moment we would cease to exist is wrong. Just because the proof I have that my girlfiriend (who lives really far away and no one has ever seen) exists disappears or is destroyed does not disprove or negate the existance of my immaginary... I mean my very real girlfriend. It is only the evidence that has been affected not the thing itself. Just because you stopped thinking, you don't cease to exist. Only the proof you exist ceases to exit.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Oh it’s more a consequence of Descartes’ conception of us “as (only) a thinking thing” that leads to that particular criticism, hence the two different versions of the argument. Ultimately neither of them apply to the whole of Descartes’ philosophy as he uses God to secure the existence and reliability of many things by the end of the Meditations. I admit it is a little confusing as it essentially applies to Descartes’ position as it occurs midway through the second meditation
@soareverix
@soareverix 3 ай бұрын
Things I concluded when I practiced the same exercise as Descartes: -Something exists. It's not all nothingness. Past this point, it all becomes probabilistic. -Cause and effect probably exists, but it is also possible that you are just experiencing the tiniest possible slice of time. Without time, there isn't cause and effect. -The universe probably has a certain structure, which you can derive with mathematics. Even weird things like quantum particles have mathematical properties. This means that existence is stable at higher scales, where the odds of your laptop teleporting to Mars are basically zero. -Concepts exist. To me, it seems like there is no such thing as an 'illusion', just the same thing viewed from different angles, metaphorically speaking. Every illusion has some real counterpart. Even if you are a hallucinating boltzman brain, there are processors firing to produce the illusion. In a sense, the illusion is just as real because either everything is an illusion or nothing is. Some concepts are changeable and can be misunderstood, but there is always a seed of reality. -We can be pretty sure that consciousness exists. It's essentially an incompressible concept. You can explain the mechanics that cause it, but we're just changing the definition, not the fact that it exists. Maybe it's just an effect of processing or maybe it is totally deterministic but some form of it still exists. Instead of 'something exists', you could say that 'consciousness exists' as a ground truth. But consciousness still has some faint definition, and we can't be sure that definitions exist. There is some kind of 'I', whether it is two brains, a thousand, or a trillion all working together. We don't know if other people are conscious, or if cells are conscious, or if crowds are conscious because we can't feel their sensations, and if we did, it would be debatable about whether 'they' were also experiencing something or if your own consciousness had just expanded to encompass their sensations as well. But there is some property of consciousness and you can usually model it pretty accurately as 'I'. People may genuinely be confused about what they are processing (like an emotion they think is anger but is really sadness) but it's not like the feeling of the emotion has changed. The emotion is just being processed differently. This is why I'm usually not sold on the 'illusion' arguments. We can refine our knowledge of something until we have an extremely accurate model, but it is always a model and never the truth. Something I think about often is unconscious processing. Your brain is constantly controlling your heartbeat but you don't notice or have conscious control over it. It seems like consciousness can be represented as a spectrum. I'm interested in how our understanding of consciousness evolves when we're able to create it in computers and then pause, edit, or comment out parts of it. Like many topics, I think the confusion around consciousness is around its size. Humans can only process small chunks of information at a time, so we are always making compressed versions of reality. Working in the field of AI essentially taught me that compression is the secret to intelligence. In the future, we'll hopefully have better compressions of 'I', consciousness, and how reality works as a whole. I'm fairly new to philosophy but I study AI Alignment, so this topic is super interesting to me. I'd love to see a video about AI Alignment! +1 sub
@bettertiming
@bettertiming 3 ай бұрын
Hey! Thank you for sharing your knowledge! Any chance you’ve encountered the concept of Obscurantism? It would be a very interesting concept to explore in a video. Great work and good luck!
@OshaunWayve
@OshaunWayve 3 ай бұрын
"I know nothing" my most favorite of recent quotes. Words are man made. Therefore this very comment holds no weight. But remember, i know nothing
@roger_isaksson
@roger_isaksson 3 ай бұрын
5:45, doubt is clearly a mental process inside our minds, that mental process thus must exist for doubt to manifest. Whatever the medium or situation such as the natural world or ‘simulation’ hypothesis is fundamentally irrelevant. These thought patterns exist, therefore there is something that spawns them into metaphysical existence. One might ponder if math exists without humans (on earth), or is it merely some undecidable scribbles in books and papers? I would say that math exists because people think about mathematics irregardless of any medium, books or theorems. The real question being; is there such a process which manifest doubt in understanding of the world. And if such a process exists, then doubting itself seem entirely rational, yet counterproductive.
@alecmisra4964
@alecmisra4964 3 ай бұрын
There is a continuity of awareness or perception of the changing inner states. It is this which constitutes the being of the thinker, not the specific, often deceptive thoughts as such.
@klosnj11
@klosnj11 3 ай бұрын
Previous comment not popping up (yet) so just in case, let me say it in another way. Great video. You earned a like and subscribe from me. Can't wait to throw my objections and thoughts into future rings of your making.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! And I do really appreciate the thoughts and objections! I always mean these videos to be starting discussions rather than some sort of philosophical proclamation
@Haqueip
@Haqueip 3 ай бұрын
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@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
It is a bit surreal! My goal for the end of last year was originally to get to 1,000 subscribers
@Haqueip
@Haqueip 3 ай бұрын
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@manubishe
@manubishe 2 ай бұрын
"I doubt therefore I am" is one if the stickers I'll gladly buy
@rolandrush5172
@rolandrush5172 3 ай бұрын
I remember learning about “I think therefore I am” and the reasoning being “we can doubt all things but the fact we exist due to our ability to think about existence” and my first thought was “of course I can, that’s just a lack of imagination” That’s like saying your random emotions exist because from their perspective they experienced existence. You can easily imagine “your” ideas as spontaneous life forms being born and dying repeatedly and “your” consciousness is the after image; like a fossil or something.
@rolandrush5172
@rolandrush5172 3 ай бұрын
17:00 Oh that’s similar to my idea.. I did read a lot of eastern stories growing up, so maybe I absorbed it and came to a similar idea.
@KingOpenReview
@KingOpenReview 3 ай бұрын
That's still you existing in some way.
@baronvonbrunn8596
@baronvonbrunn8596 3 ай бұрын
I agree that thoughts, emotions, memories and all that isn't really us in a way, since we can perceive them as something external (for example I feel the anger but I am not the anger itself), but that still leaves the thing doing the perceiving. In the end, I think it just depends on what you consider beying the "I".
@BilalAhmad-ff3xq
@BilalAhmad-ff3xq 3 ай бұрын
philosophy usually goes overmy head so vids. Like urs are a great source of knowledge, great work.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! I am so glad you are finding them helpful
@Finnatese
@Finnatese 2 ай бұрын
An interesting addition about the perceptions point and blurred periphery vision, is it can be taken further; you don’t use your eyes to see out into the world. Light hits the 2D surface of eyeballs, sending information to the brain which creates the 3D world entirely in your head. Other senses add to this image. Alan watts said if you want to see what inside your mind looks like you just open your eyes
@aelfredrex8354
@aelfredrex8354 3 ай бұрын
I think therefore I want dinner.
@fredriko.zachrisson9711
@fredriko.zachrisson9711 3 ай бұрын
Thank you. Loved your Dostojevskij video.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@OrdnanceLab
@OrdnanceLab 3 ай бұрын
Great video on a brilliant mind whose ideas I'll never get around to reading in the original source materials. While dorks like me find this interesting and insightful, they always seem to be a combination of a philosophical Rube Goldberg Machine and academic jobs program. Thinkers like Camus, Nietzsche, and Sartre are to me much more relevant to the gritty realities of life.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! And I get what you mean. I sort of write these types of videos knowing they will likely underperform. But it gives my brain a break because it is a lot less emotionally heavy than reading lots of existential philosophy
@alena-qu9vj
@alena-qu9vj 3 ай бұрын
I am afraid that the realities of life wouldn't be by far so gritty if not for the sick minds of such like Descartes, Camus, Nietzsche and Sartre, who polluted the air with their personal mental problems. The really suspicious thing is why it is just this material which is pushed on us by all the main outlets in the last decades. Seems the mentality of the owners of them rezonates with all that fear and doom and they will not bear any positivness.
@nolancoates4856
@nolancoates4856 3 ай бұрын
Very interesting 😎🤔
@kiavaxxaskew
@kiavaxxaskew 3 ай бұрын
If this philosophy doesn't acknowledge a invisible or spiritual faculty, it's either wrong or incomplete.
@leonprice6983
@leonprice6983 3 ай бұрын
I would argue that while what you percieve may be different to reality i.e. emotions what you percive is truly what you think, as with the apple mad to look like an orange. A demon is not required for perception to be wrong all your thoughts are correct in the sense that what you're thinking of is truly what you're thinking of even if they didn't originate from you.
@VaughanMcCue
@VaughanMcCue Ай бұрын
I stink; therefore, I need a shower.
@Toughbiscuit_
@Toughbiscuit_ 3 ай бұрын
To me, the argument read as not we *only* exist when we think, but that we only have *proof* of ourselves when we think, doubt, and perceive
@asmithgames5926
@asmithgames5926 3 ай бұрын
Eckhart Tolle: Separate the Thinker and the Watcher
@FireyDeath4
@FireyDeath4 3 ай бұрын
I mean, there is one thing we can certainly know. SOMETHING exists. After all, engaging with the premise necessarily requires it. And everything in existence indeed seems to be a mass of disconnected parts, reducible to singular properties that constitute the definitions of their smallest physical components. The only thing really binding them together is ontological grouping, and it's something we take for granted. It all depends on your interpretation about whether those (somewhat-arbitrary) connections mean anything to you. And, like, surely they must
@archykhn4513
@archykhn4513 3 ай бұрын
O.75x speed does God's work for me haha. Btw great video as alwayssss
@metempsychosis4062
@metempsychosis4062 3 ай бұрын
David Hume and the Buddha both argued against the idea of the concrete self. The idea that "I" am not a single thing, but a bundle of perceptions and sensations, all constantly changing.
@jamescareyyatesIII
@jamescareyyatesIII 3 ай бұрын
I think, therefore I think I am and think I am not and think that I am thinking.
@jacquelineraner14
@jacquelineraner14 3 ай бұрын
I prefer to look at this problem as the proof of one's existence lies in others and their existence is proved by me recognizing them. I am would not have any meaning without the recognition of you are. Both come into existence simultaneously when the reflection is recognized as not our own. This entire idea is encompassed in a greeting that is used in South Africa. Solyabana (don't know the actual spelling) it means I see you and by seeing you I bring you into existence.
@MsSPrough
@MsSPrough 3 ай бұрын
But what if doubt is an emotion like anger or happiness and that would then mean that doubt is fleeting because you can have times where you don't doubt, so in saying that, we are not what we think but we just are. Nothing more than we just are what we are. And, if we just are, then we can have infinite possibility in what or who we are. This is where the problem exists because of the myriad of things we could be but we don't want to make a definitive decision on what or who this is in case we are wrong. This is what creates "doubt" and proves its an emotion and not a static theory. Its our indecisiveness in accepting ourselves as nothing until we give ourselves a description. And, the circle begins again.
@rolandrush5172
@rolandrush5172 3 ай бұрын
You know there are people who have no internal monologue so they do not not have never existed because they have never had a thought
@thenintendocyclops1074
@thenintendocyclops1074 3 ай бұрын
Read the passage you have linked, and I now feel odd, I don't understand the wording too well however the message feels understood. Though I have no clue what in it I understand, which is....actually kind of fun!
@thenintendocyclops1074
@thenintendocyclops1074 3 ай бұрын
(Can't edit on this phone) Alright so I now understand, at least partly, what I understood after thinking on it for a bit, and this led to the calmest panic attack I've ever had right in the bathroom at work shortly after break when I had seen this. I then just laughed at the realization, whatever it is, so this will be a fun little dive into my own head. Thank you for uploading this video, and more importantly linking that excerpt, I hope your brilliance reaches a much wider audience in the near future.
@noahtstapp
@noahtstapp 3 ай бұрын
Ngl, 17th century bro had existential anxiety and wrote down his logic to bring it back in line
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
That is a fair assessment
@beansworth5694
@beansworth5694 3 ай бұрын
That's why I've always thought his famous argument was misworded somewhat for being the foundational minimal floor of perfect understanding that it is meant to assert itself as. "I think, therefore I, (a 'person', with all of the necessary assumptions regarding individuality and definite composition) am" should instead be "I think, therefore something had thoughts." We might be fundamentally and logically incapable of comprehending ourselves from our own actual vantage point without plenty assumptions and liberal application of abstractions, and I think that this is actually necessarily the case unless we accept the assumption that we have a third eye of sorts that is able to give us an intuitive and perfect understanding of our own nature delineated from the rest of reality clearly (such as an omniscient god or some other metaphysical sensory organ bequeathing such unto us as held by many of the thinkers who held such an optimistic view of the capacity of pure reason).
@maudipie
@maudipie Ай бұрын
I'm interested in adding Turkish subtitles to your videos for fun. How can I proceed?
@user-hu3iy9gz5j
@user-hu3iy9gz5j 3 ай бұрын
Virgin 'I think therefore I am' vs Chad 'I am therefore I think'
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
Haha! You might like this argument then: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_is_one_hand
@Zex-4729
@Zex-4729 3 ай бұрын
My problem is the definition of "existence" because it's really just a circular definition, existence is relative to non-existence which is relative to existence, that means something can't exist without it being relatively not existing, and visa versa. That means words like "reality", "existence" doesn't mean anything at all.
@snipermonkey7141
@snipermonkey7141 3 ай бұрын
Are you planing on going to more obscuring e controversial philosophies? like for example Mainländer, Julius Evola, Giovanni Gentile and Marquis de Sade?
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
I have a video on de Sade planned for next week (a Valentines Day special)
@liaradauceanu7325
@liaradauceanu7325 3 ай бұрын
This video made my brain short-circuit. :)))
@aaronweiss3294
@aaronweiss3294 3 ай бұрын
I think, therefore something is
@TheOneAndOnlySame
@TheOneAndOnlySame 3 ай бұрын
My version is " I believe that I think, therefore I believe that I am "
@jeremyncrm2012
@jeremyncrm2012 3 ай бұрын
Should be im aware, therefore I am
@Nothing.321uf
@Nothing.321uf 3 ай бұрын
It will be insightful.... Got sickness unto death... Age of reason and the rebel... The one you suggested wasn't available there ...
@cybersid
@cybersid 3 ай бұрын
I have severe doubt about my existence.
@robinmiller871
@robinmiller871 3 ай бұрын
Perhaps, identifying with our thoughts, is a source of much conundrum?
@theduckking6854
@theduckking6854 27 күн бұрын
The second part about how we can be wrong about our perceptions i think is under an incorrect understanding of the mind as far as i know the mind exists in 2 forms one is perception and one is the conception so i would say are conception can be incorrect about are perception but are perception can not be deceived about itself.
@alena-qu9vj
@alena-qu9vj 3 ай бұрын
Why should I take seriously anything what Descartes said in view of his claim, that animals are just machines without consciousness and emotions, who feel no pain and therefore can be cut to pieces alive because their crying is just a mechanical reaction without any meaning? Is it not obvious that this mind has been seriously disturbed? It was him who stood at the beginning of our "enlightned" era, and sure he was inspired by some evil demon. A trully thinking man could never come with such an odiousness.
@ignipotent7276
@ignipotent7276 3 ай бұрын
Thats quite stupid to say a truly thinking man considering how many truly thinking philosophers have the most outrageous ideas but still have an influence and contribution to critical thinking
@alena-qu9vj
@alena-qu9vj 3 ай бұрын
@@ignipotent7276 Thats exectly the problem with this decadent civilization - letting this kind of negativistic philosophers have any influence at all. "Critical thinking" haha. Apart from that it is no critical thinking but hallucinations of crazy minds of sociopaths and psychopaths, neuroscience has already proved without doubt that no such thing as critical thinking is even possible with the human thinking HW and SW.
@lloydgush
@lloydgush 3 ай бұрын
The idea that animals are machines is way older than him.
@alena-qu9vj
@alena-qu9vj 3 ай бұрын
@@lloydgush That does not excuse him in any way. Evil is way older than anyone, so what?
@lloydgush
@lloydgush 3 ай бұрын
@alena-qu9vj morality is infrastructure, you are blaming giants who lifeted you for imperfection. All in the name of faux empathy.
@leonprice6983
@leonprice6983 3 ай бұрын
To think is an action an non-being cannot take an action, I typed a youtube comment therefore I am.
@ROForeverMan
@ROForeverMan 3 ай бұрын
You didn't understand anything from that argument. He could have equally said "I jump, therefore I am". Is not the profound argument that you took it to be. Is just some random observation: "I eat, therefore I am", "I watch tv, therefore I am".
@rolandrush5172
@rolandrush5172 3 ай бұрын
Memes (from evolutionary biology) transfer between hosts and this concept of “doubt” could just be an evolved meme to help other memes extend into the future. I feel like memes breaks a lot of this thinking
@farinshore8900
@farinshore8900 2 ай бұрын
I think, therefore I doubt that I exist
@adamyoung6797
@adamyoung6797 3 ай бұрын
(Haven’t watched yet) I’ve always doubted this assertion. What if we’re just the unit that consciousness is being transferred through? Like a TV, projecting a signal, we are not the signal itself. What is ‘me’? The projection or the physical or both? I’m going crazy thinking about this so maybe I’ll stop and watch this later haha
@FireyDeath4
@FireyDeath4 3 ай бұрын
The body you're experiencing and the consciousness that inhabits it are somewhat two separate things. Or just one. Consciousness is everywhere permeating everything in a sort of spectrum of awareness. Rocks are in a coma, etc. So what are "you"? It's all a matter of definition, but since there is presumably consciousness inhabiting you, you are your body including the consciousness inside it
@captainzork6109
@captainzork6109 3 ай бұрын
Honestly I doubt the premise of "I think"
@Nonreligeousthiestic
@Nonreligeousthiestic 3 ай бұрын
Thought creates the thinker. "When thought is not the thinker is not either" Jiddu Krishnamurti. I find in relationship I am a self that has a completely different life and quality than the self created by thought aka 'the thinker'
@robinmiller871
@robinmiller871 3 ай бұрын
I think, therefore I'm confused!
@PirateRadioPodcasts
@PirateRadioPodcasts 2 ай бұрын
Aye. Def a couple things lacking with "Cogito Ergo Sum". e.g. What of the SPACE / Emptiness / GAP between our thoughts? Are we REALLY expected to believe lack of NEUROTIC "Monkey Mind" thought patterns mean we no longer exist? Moreover, HOW does one say the more PASSIVE 2nd person "i thinks therefore i IS?", in BOTH french & LATIN?
@peterrj1973
@peterrj1973 3 ай бұрын
i personally prefer the idea of nietzsche about my and myself, as i am not my soul nor my mind, i am my brain, and what i think about me or what i think as being me is not more than a well puted facade of the neural conections in my brain that form me and myself, and for each concious thought i have, i have thousand if not hundred of thousands of differents processes in my mind that are unconcious, similar to what freud says
@peterrj1973
@peterrj1973 3 ай бұрын
@@thotslayer9914 yeah you are right there is no proof of a soul so the logical conclusion is that we are material beings entirely based in the chemical processes in our brain
@EpicNicks
@EpicNicks 3 ай бұрын
9:54 I didn't realize just how many imaginary people I deal with on a daily basis. Thanks for the bite-sized philosophy lesson.
@ElonMuskrat-my8jy
@ElonMuskrat-my8jy 2 ай бұрын
The Orthodox take would be "I love, therefore I am."
@SC-zq6cu
@SC-zq6cu 3 ай бұрын
6:30 That is impossible. Being truly able to imagine something means that one is able to conceive of a scenario where said thing is possible. To believe something one has to first be aware of a scenario where that thing is possible, after that its just a matter of quantity and quality of evidence one needs to convince themselves that the thing isn't just possible but likely and these criteria can be changed. Therefore once someone can imagine something there is always a finite chance that they will believe it.
@Cantread807
@Cantread807 3 ай бұрын
I think therefore my ego exists.
@charlesvandenburgh5295
@charlesvandenburgh5295 Ай бұрын
A problem: The very arguments you put forward refuting Descates' claim can only be cognitively understood by presuming the very thing your arguments seek to disprove. Thus your arguments refute themselves.
@deadman746
@deadman746 3 ай бұрын
I'm with Nietzsche on this one. When you get rid of (1) the grammatical bias that requires you to put in an I or an o and (2) the cognitive bias that presupposes agency everywhere, what you get is "thinking happens, therefore there is a thinker." This is far from what Austin called _incorrigible._ One could go further in debunking the statement, but that is enough for me to lose interest. What I find very interesting is that this is one of many statements that is either (1) meaningless or taurological on the one hand, or (2) wrong. This is very much like entanglement in quantum physics in which you can know everything possible about a system but not know anything about the parts. I am not trying to assert that (1) cognition is quantum, which, though it cannot be ruled out, but is silly and unsupported or that (2) the math and logic of QM, which we worked out long ago is exactly the same, but I do think the fact that people have a hard time both seeing the flaws in the Cogito and QM points to a limitation in cognition, how real wet brains _try_ (see how difficult it is not to presume agency?) to understand such cases. This supports the ideas of cognitive science that we think by metaphors to _embodied_ ideas, those that use brain structures there to run bodies. We know that brains think logic using structures rather unfortunately called _topographic maps._ They are used to do many things; the cortex is wrinkled to have more surface area for lots of them. One use is understanding when something we're chasing goes to the left or right of a tree. Charles Addams once drew a picture where a fleeing skier's tracks go around both sides, a fair metaphor for, say, light not hitting an atom and stopping because the only valence gap has too high an energy for the photons, thus resulting in the light taking longer to go through even though it always travels at _c._ It can be thought of as a nondeterministic slalom that goes both or all ways, but our meatware insists that it can only go one way or the other because that is the question it tries (!) to answer.
@ValkyrissaGaming
@ValkyrissaGaming 3 ай бұрын
They don’t think but they are
@miguelangelous
@miguelangelous 3 ай бұрын
As Descartes, I’m not searching for a belief that is true, rather one belief I simply cannot doubt….yeah ☕️
@igorlopes7589
@igorlopes7589 3 ай бұрын
Even if the perceived self is a temporary reality it is still a reality. Even if the "I" only exists for a mere instant and is substituted by another "I" there are still a series of "I"s we are talking about
@LokahSamastahSukhinoBhavantu23
@LokahSamastahSukhinoBhavantu23 3 ай бұрын
simplicity of life is not simple at all is it , harder than this complexity we learn and experience… i think my goal is simplicity…
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
That sounds interesting. What do you mean by that?
@ninpolife7749
@ninpolife7749 3 ай бұрын
His deliberate use of "I Am" is a religious reference, the five senses cannot be relied on. This is why faith is so valued by God, it transends beyond our senses and logic and is an act of free will.
@duunchannel
@duunchannel 3 ай бұрын
Cogito ergo sum does not refer solely to what we call thought, but to all aspects of consciousness: "In fine, I am the same being who perceives, that is, who apprehends certain objects as by the organs of sense, since in truth, I see light, hear a noise, and feel heat. But it will be said that these presentations are false, and that I am dreaming. Let it be so. At all events it is certain that I seem to see light, hear a noise, and feel heat; this cannot be false, and this is what in me is properly called perceiving (sentire), which is nothing else than thinking." - Meditations, Part Two
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
I know that’s what he intended, but strictly speaking the Cogito Argument does not carry him that far
@dysfunc121
@dysfunc121 3 ай бұрын
I do not buy that someone can "stop thinking".
@asmithgames5926
@asmithgames5926 3 ай бұрын
ChatGPT: I think, therefore I am.
@ppharaoh5421
@ppharaoh5421 3 ай бұрын
Here are the facts. All that we know or think we know or don’t know etc has one biased source. Our minds. We conjure up everything we think of from it and can never truly know if what we know is the truth. We can only believe we do
@BallBatteryReligion
@BallBatteryReligion 3 ай бұрын
Right. This is why I admire Buddhism so much. They recognized long ago that our consciousness and perception dictate all our experiences and that we are completely inseparable from it. Thus instead of looking at it like a roadblock in the way of some objective truth that we can only theorize exists, yet often we'd prefer pondering something we can't prove as if we know it's real rather than developing and harnessing the very schemas that translate all information back to us and that can never be removed or navigated around. Ideally if we were to properly understand, then master our perception we could at least expand our capacity for general thought and knowledge, even manipulate our experience of consciousness into different states to get closer to something objective or beyond our own entangled processes. Notably though only closer to the idea, not obtaining the actual knowledge or finding this holy grail of understanding so we can finally feel certain. It helps to compare perceptive thoughts to as many other different perceptions as possible to see if it can be agreed on by enough different individuals to start treating it as something fundamental. That's still not objective per say. But it's close, and pragmatic. Objectivity beyond just our theory of it is only realized in our day to day world as collections of adequately similar experiences of the same phenomena and a consensus agreement on what the appropriate response to it should be. Idk, to me that certainly seems like an approach that at the very least offers an accessible path that doesn't rely on abstractions, gods or attempting to define the minutia of thought itself, or treating perceptive beliefs and ideas like they're laws of nature.
@nightvision3182
@nightvision3182 3 ай бұрын
If you do not think, where is the i am?
@capuchinosofia4771
@capuchinosofia4771 3 ай бұрын
Then, if i percieve (even if i percieve a lie) i exist. Perception as a basis. Like electricity for a computer. Or its Input. Without an input the computer will never turn on, or if its on already, it will never do anything. So if i can percieve something, anything, wether a lie or a truth, then its confirming my existance. No need to "think". We just need to percieve.
@Qstandsforred
@Qstandsforred 3 ай бұрын
10:03 *"if we take his definition of a person seriously, if we ever stop thinking we will just pop out of existence".* Fallacy of denying the antecedent. There may be other things that imply existence besides thinking.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
It was in reference to the definition of us merely as a thinking thing, not the epistemic part of the cogito argument, which was dealt with in the previous sentence. Hence it is not denying the antecedent. I admit it was confusing to deal with them both so close together. Given I take the logical structure of the relationship between definition and existence to be “(there does not exist an x such that P_1,…,P_k) -> (there does not exist c)” (intuitively: “if there is nothing fitting the definitional properties, then there is no object named by the constant c, i.e., the topic of conversation”), this is just a standard application of modus ponens.
@Qstandsforred
@Qstandsforred 3 ай бұрын
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 So the proposition is that thinking is the _only_ property of this "thinking thing"?
@giw_jones
@giw_jones 3 ай бұрын
I am therefore I am.
@PeterGregoryKelly
@PeterGregoryKelly 2 ай бұрын
I fail capsha tests, therefore I am a machine.
@sebastiantaylor7306
@sebastiantaylor7306 17 күн бұрын
1:16 missed the sausage
@plundbohm
@plundbohm 3 ай бұрын
I stink therefore I am: if I can smell me I am me.
@Lunchkit780
@Lunchkit780 3 ай бұрын
My book says I think there for I am
@feolizx
@feolizx 3 ай бұрын
Perhaps it would help if you change your style of thumbnails.. Regardless, quality content!
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 3 ай бұрын
I have considered it, but these thumbnails work pretty well and also are easy for my terrible graphic design skills
@xenoblad
@xenoblad 3 ай бұрын
I never liked the phrase that “we don’t exist”. It feels like a bait and switch where what the speaker is really saying is “we, in this very particular way as shown by this particular explanation, don’t exist” Unless someone opposes the view that something is the case, then we, I, and/or it clearly exist as whatever is the case.
@BigBoss-jq4su
@BigBoss-jq4su 3 ай бұрын
Will if I don’t exist how can i be deceived to think that i exist because you can’t deceive something that doesn’t exist
@BigBoss-jq4su
@BigBoss-jq4su 3 ай бұрын
Holly fuck i swear i said that in 10:12 as i was watching the video but it’s possible that i was influenced by some unconscious foreshadowing
@zack49
@zack49 3 ай бұрын
It is just a tautology, saying "I think" assumes the "I" is there, and exists. Saying it without the tautology: "Somthing thinks, therefore I am " is far less convincing.
@rolandrush5172
@rolandrush5172 3 ай бұрын
Well consciousness seems to just be an illusion or mirage as a post hoc expression of processes done in the brain.
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