As someone who loads munitions on jets, I can confirm that the main issue with putting gun pods on every station isn't the recoil or weight, but having the wiring in order to operate all the stations. Especially with the A-10A since it is 100% analog with controls for munitions.

Yea it could probably take off with 8 gun pods but if you ever shot them all it would probably fly backwards

I think the question here isn't "can the a10 carry ten more guns?", it's "could the a10 airframe SURVIVE 11 guns firing at once?"...

Somewhere, an A-10 is being fitted with multiple SUU-23/As for an experimental run. It labours along the runway, eating up every inch of tarmac before taking off. It's sluggish and ungainly, even for a Hog, but it manages to make it to the target zone. The pilot lines up the shot and presses the trigger. The motors engage in each pod, then streams of twenty-millimeter fire pour out of the aircraft. The immense off-axis recoil immediately starts flipping the Hog A-over-T. Doing everything to hold steady proves worse than pointless, as the engines ingest the blast gases of all those cannons and flame out. Not a single shot lands on target. The control officer watches as the Warthog unceremoniously tumbles to earth. He says only two words. "Worth it." (Day 71: Take the Scimitar, the last Supermarine, out for a spin.)

"I missed because he's an ally" Excuse me, but the A-10 has a long, proud history of blue on blue, especially when we're talking about Brits

Each M61 on its own weighs up to 230 lbs, not including ammo. I think the issue would be the recoil. Recoil already is a limiting factor for the GAU-8.

6:23 Fun fact: The early MiG-27's gun has so much recoil that it noticeably damaged the airframe when fired for more than a couple of seconds. There were cases of instrument panels falling out, landing lights breaking, canopies being ejected, landing gear not working, all caused by the gun. To the point where they had to reduce the rate of fire.

The real recoil power of the a-10 gun is 40kn or equivalent to the thrust of one of the engines

That would be scary irl to see a A-10 with 3 guns the size of cars

When that missile hit, it was almost exactly the amount of damage an A-10 in Kuwait that got hit by a SAM and made it back to base. The engine cover is at the air muesem by me.

The issue is those two pylons are the only ones wired to control the gun pods. On another note, the centerline pylon is for a fuel tank during ferry flights.

11:13 Exactly what the A-10 was designed to be able to do.

A custom battle definitely needs to happen with A-10s with their wings full of vulcans. Full tracer belt only

I feel like the A-10's gun should definitely be louder.

Pylon stations 1,2 and 10,11 have 14inch Lug spacings and Mau-50 bomb racks so they can't just carry the same things compared to the rest of the stations.

According to some internet digging they say the effective take off weigth an a10 can carry is 16k pounds worth of load, so yes if we take the 2k pound per gun pod it should be able to take off with 8 gun pods. Also it would be pretty effective at mimicing the russian cobra, after all all you had to do is fire all guns at once and the plane would just stop midair :D

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I remember I could load the A10 up with gun pods in the game H.A.W.X. That was ridiculous. It was just a literal sky mop.

Practically no powered rotary cannon is supplied with sufficient ammunition for a full minute of firing, due to its weight (at 6,000 rpm, the projectiles alone would represent a mass of about 600 kg (1,300 lb) for one minute of firing; and by including the brass shell, filling and primer the weight is slightly double that at 1,225 kg (2,701 lb)) Wikipedia on the M61 Vulcan

I feel like the A-10 is the first tough plane that they've actually modeled most of its toughness into the game.

well, the recoil of vulcans if mounted on wing(especially wing tips) would possibly be problematic for flying, and the dead weight of these gunpods does not seems too cost-effective.

Always good when Phly uploads

When people get excited and talk about loadouts I get excited and think about how war thunder is going to handle radar detectability based on smaller loadouts like when the f-35 can't use wing mounted weapons when going stealth

"It doesn't really wanna fly, but it still takes off" That's really the A-10 in a nutshell.

20:54 "2 hour A-10 video incoming" We all heard it Phly!

Jokes aside the hardpoints and the load an A-10 can carry is apart of the reason it’s still in service. Though it does admittedly have problems.

I just wanna thank you Phly, for making those videos, it eases me when im mentally unstable, also it helps me to be better at WT, I suck at scouting sometimes. Keep it up mate!

It's well established that A-10s can dog fight F-16s.

This takes the sentence "if gun not enough then use more gun" To a whole new level

You can only mount any given weapon or other external system to a station that is wired to the avionics that controls the weapon or system. For instance, if you carry AGMs, 1 additional station is required for the camera and tracking pod that guides the AGM to its target.

11:19 nice of him to repair your engine

The gua8 puts out 3/4 of the total thrust of both engines. The 2 20mms combined are stronger. Weight wise it can carry a full load, however the recoil would be something like 7 times the thrust of the plane so would be impractical. But that Russian mig-23 gun still holds the highest thrust to weight ratio of any of the guns. If you used it jetpack joyride style it would give a 50g acceleration and you'd jump mount Everest.

Day 154: Phly, you should play the Hawk III Chinese fighter; 900lbs of bombs in a biplane at 1.0 that you can dogfight in after dropping. Totally balanced.

Some random meatball: "Swedish JA37 has reverse thrust!" Me, an intellectual: "So does the A-10." **fires the GAU-8 and ten additional M-61s**

A-10 be like: B-17 ain’t got nothing on me.

These engines were also on the S-3 Viking. Civilian version is the CF34 found on many business and commercial jets.

Day 106 : Phly out the Arsenal VG33 and Dewoitine 520 to show em the strenght of the wine powered Hispano Suiza V12 👀🇨🇵❤

Challenge Request: German little and large challenge. Take out the Fw200C-1 in Tank RB and get three ground kills. Or if that isn't entertaining enough, take out the Ju87D-5 with the 7.92mm Gun Pods and get three combined air/ground kills with guns only. Have fun. Attempt 470.

5:01 You can see that the mass of the two cannons adds 1300kg or 2866 lbs for 2. So if it can handle the bombs it can handle the cannons.

I'd love to see the late version of this plane (since that's the one I'll have in the game)

Hey Phly, I know that things are crazy cause of the new update But maybe once things chill out and you need something to cover? You should check out the Italian C13 T90 It was the vehicle that got me my phirst nuke, and I’d like to see it and the ABUL/74 on the channel! The combo means in any terrain you can get to a sneaky spot, and scout phor tons of SP (Day 36) (But play the Hawk III first)

bro how do you have 5 million GE

since the additional guns are mounted underneath the center of mass of the plane, the recoil is going to pull the nose down and the guns off target if you overdo it. also increases the risk of unintentional dirt-eating.

From warthunder forum like 10 years ago.... "And here's the kg/s burst mass calculated: GAU-8 Avenger; 4200 RPM (70 RPS) 360 gram HEI projectile, 25.20 kg/s with HEI 425 gram API projectile, 29.75 kg/s with API"

it does not appear as though they have taken account of the A-10's natural durability there should be a option to have half the wing blown off yet for it still be able to fly giving you the chance to make it back to the airfield

hey phly, ive never really said this to anyone else before but thank you, your the person who keeps me alive and always cheers me up when things are the worst, like right now how my parents are fighting and i wish ending it all wouldnt hurt anyone. thanks for always being with me when i havnt been happy

Me who flies this A-10C II (More modernised version of A-10A) in DCS World confirm that it CAN takeoff with full loadout and full fuel tank (while flying like a log, but it's possible) The same with the A-10A which is basicly the same aircraft but with old tech from 1972 There're no additional 20mm guns to attach as a loadout implemented in DCS World, but I don't think they are heavier than 2000 lb bombs that you can attach on all pylons and fly still while having a full fuel tank. I'm starting to think that if you attach a small light tank on top it WILL STILL FLY! (L3 for ex.)

BRO that spiral dodge @ 11.03 was wicked!!!!!

Day 22: Phly you should play the Strv M-42 DT. It has a 3.8 second autoloader with 5 shells, the turret traverse is great, and its surprisingly survivable Plus the APHE can pen pretty much anything from the front at its br (except for those damned jumbos)

How do u have 5.000.000 goldcoins?????

Back in the live server. I used to get a bug where if I dropped my bombs quick enough I got 1 extra "ghost bomb" it wouldn't explode but it was still visible.

So Context - before considering the gun, or the drum holding them and the chain linking - the 2000 rounds per gun of 20mm x 102mm weigh approx 1200lb in ammo per gun

Heya Phly, fourth video request, would you want to take out the Phantom II Echo with the triple m61’s to make a wall of 4 *unescapable, 52.68kg/s maelstrom of absolute hell and lead?* (Day 23)

I was playing with Praetorii yesterday. He was in a T-2 I was in an F-4E and we were flying really close and getting some beautiful screenshots.

Them:how much fire power do you want to have Me:yes

at this burst mass, you gotta be on the moon after 1 sec of firing

I'm sure I own every A-10 book every made since 1978' and Never have I seen a Vulcan Pod on an A-10 !!!!

To answer the sound byte question, I wouldn’t mind new tank crew voices but I hope they never change the plane ones. “Hole in your left wing” and “on time on target everything’s fine how are you” are perfect

i have just gotten flung after crashing into a t34 as a panzer 4 and then this comes out right after i finish laughing my ass off, my mood is even better now

unfortunately The GAU-8 itself weighs 620 pounds (280 kg), but the complete weapon, with feed system and drum, weighs 4,029 pounds (1,828 kg) with a maximum ammunition load. which means just those 2 vulcans on the under side is 4tonnes add two more ant thats 8 tonnes inculding ammo that your two little jet engines haft to lug around i'd love to see a A10aTB with maximum brrrrt but it wouldnt even be able to take off

You need to try the 30mm 4-barrel gun pods that they tried out on the F-16s. You might need to combine two adjacent pylons so you could mount 4 pods. Try that one on for size.

"We know you like rotary cannons so we added two more guns to your flying gun." - Xzibit, Year 2000 and something

The tf2 engineer would be proud. “Use more gun.” -Yeeeeeee

This why the A-10 is my favorite plane, tanky and beeffy as fuck, insane main gun, can take so much damage but can make it back to base, such an amazing plane !

A Marine F-4 unit in Vietnam flew ground support missions with 3 20mm gun pods when the normal was one. So historically it is possible.

18:00 this reminds me of a certain incident that happened between an a-10 and some british armor

gun pods are 1800 lbs each from Wiki, and the recoil would cause the pod to become more inaccurate as it would misalign on the pylon

Cant wait to see A-10’s in battle, i hope the shapire has a good lock on those low flying, slow, heavy planes

It is just an A-10, but with more BBRRRRRTTTTT.

your vids are so entertaining phly

The thing about 30mm ammo is not just the weight, but the amount of space needed to carry it. The built-in main gun, the GAU-8/A Avenger is nearly half as long as the aircraft itself. In fact, the A-10 aircraft was built AROUND the gun, and not a gun fitted to an aircraft. So, not sure how well multiple 20mm gun pods on each wing would work - in real life anyway. I have heard A-10 pilots say that the aircraft actually slows down, like putting on the brakes, when the 30mm gun is fired. If you fired all at once, you'd probably break the jet and see your wings fly by...or at least flip it over and fly backwards😆

each 30mm AP projectile is around 400g, The GAU avenger fires at 3900rpm, that's 65 rounds a second which amounts to 26 KG/s with the GAU-8 alone, + the vulcans which fires 100 g projectiles at 6000 rpm that's an extra 20kg/s with both of em. so about 46 kg/s of burst mass with that loadout.

It might be able to carry the weight of the Vulcans. But would it be able to fire them. The structural strain would be horrific and might drink too much electricity to run the cannons

I'm pretty sure the force of those firing would make the plane stall, 1 gun on the A 10 cuts the thrust in half when it's firing.

Phantom f4j navy experimented with 4 Gatling pods, air force had 1 phantom f4e with 2 Gatling pods, and 4 to rockeye bombs, used in active combat in Vietnam, as a fast air/ground support aircraft, Chico the gunfighter

That A-10 with 6×2000 lbs of bombs didn't want to take off.

A-10 Armament as follows: Guns: 1× 30 mm (1.18 in) GAU-8/A Avenger rotary cannon with 1,174 rounds Hardpoints: 11 (8× under-wing and 3× under-fuselage pylon stations) with a capacity of 16,000 lbs (7,260 kg),

doing a little bit of math; (i rounded burst total up to 59kg/second) 59/4= 14.75kg/second for each gun on the F4E. now take 14.75*2 for the two 20mm cannons on the A10 and you get 29.5kg/second for those guns alone. the question is what would the burst mass of the GAU 30mm add to that?

Can't wait for THIS grind

10 Gatling guns! Wouldn't the kick of the guns stall out the A-10?

I totally agree . Let's just go full brrrt

"And if that don't work. Use more gun."

Its also not about total take-off weight, its about how much each hard-point can support. what does each of those pods weigh and how much power does each gun require to run? Remember that electrical power is a finite resource.

A wise engineer once said: '' When gun don't work, use more gun. ''

Full depleted uranium round belt burst mass from the gau8 is 31.5~ lb/sec. Full HE belts however, is 54.1 lb/sec. Almost beats the phantom by itself!

The Gatling that the A-10 is built upon is a 30mm cannon that fired depleted uranium HEAP rounds. The gatling pods were an answer to the Korean war plans that missiles would dominate the dogfight - not guns. Sooo, Russia gave the US some humble pie until the gun pods were made, shipped and mounted on the planes.

Never too much A10 in PhlyDaily's videos

Some pilot: Hey no full auto in the sky PhilDaily: that not full auto this is A10: INTENSE TWIN SHOOTING

Unfortunately a fully loaded m61 weighs about 1,616lbs each. And 10 of them would weigh 16,160lbs, but the a10 can only carry 7260kg of external weight which is 1,6005lbs. So it'll have to be 9 guns not 10

All guns are already firing MOAR!!!!

This man brought every 1 to war thunder including me he’s a legend honestly

in Hawx there were 4 gun pods on the A-10

the weight of loadouts is one thing. but electrics matter as well. so hardpoints for bombs may not be able to mount the Vulcan because of electronics

I see Gajin is Having fun

Just image all the recoil with all those gun pods on the A-10 you might be able to take of by shooting

The 20mm Vulcan itself only weighs 250lbs . Not sure how much ammo and the weight of the pod it self but I'm sure you could do it for the weight it self.

Would have loved to see that perspective of the begleitpanzer when you shot on 3km at him xDDD Damn brrrrrrrrrrrrrrt!!!!!!!!

"sir the new tanks have to much armor!" "Put two 20 mils on the bottom"

10 pod + GAU30 - can you imagine the burst mass/sec and displacement? Firing 11 cannons like this would stop you completely in the air xD

0:40 Bill Phly The science Guy