Phonotactics

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Artifexian

Artifexian

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Laying out the tactics for my phones.
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FOOTNOTES:
01:48 : I mention that English is a CCCVCCCCC language. For the most part English tends to stays well below these upper consonant bounds - CCCVCCC or lower. Conlanging pro tip - don't fill up your syllables all of the time.
03:09 The final syllables in "button", "rhythm" and "bottle" feature syllabic consonants.
06:50 To be clear sonority plateaus/reversals are not my own weird way of messing up clustering inventories. They are legitimate features of many IRL languages.
07:50 I'm still not happy with these reversals, will update you in future videos if I come up with a better solution here.
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@niall6255
@niall6255 7 жыл бұрын
this would mean "nnn" is a valid syllable
@AshtonSnapp
@AshtonSnapp 5 жыл бұрын
nnnma
@shinyshoes4312
@shinyshoes4312 5 жыл бұрын
niall 🤔 ʔʔʔ
@shinyshoes4312
@shinyshoes4312 5 жыл бұрын
Redwolf Plays nnn nnn nnn? nnn! nnn nnn.
@alexanderboukal5332
@alexanderboukal5332 5 жыл бұрын
We can fix that by adding to our set of phonotactic rules the rule that "no consonant can cluster with itself"
@junovzla
@junovzla 5 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderboukal5332 yep, but maybe allow the "nnn" syllable to exist as an expresion, kinda like "oof", or "whew" or anything like that
@Kingpin1880
@Kingpin1880 7 жыл бұрын
* ponders * What would happen if I try to cluster all three trill sounds... * nearly drowns in own saliva * Bad idea...
@argis1342
@argis1342 6 жыл бұрын
As a tuba player, I can do this.
@andersyu4464
@andersyu4464 6 жыл бұрын
_cough cough_ coarticulated trill _cough cough_ /ʙʀ/
@cosmopoiesecriandomundos7446
@cosmopoiesecriandomundos7446 5 жыл бұрын
I did'em all easyly.
@Braigwen
@Braigwen 5 жыл бұрын
It's called Danish.
@demidron.
@demidron. 5 жыл бұрын
Coarticulate them and it sounds like a motorboat with engine troubles ...
@benedekhorvath7191
@benedekhorvath7191 4 жыл бұрын
The „minimalist inside you” must love Japanese.
@tigrisardens
@tigrisardens 3 жыл бұрын
i know i sure do. japanese is beautiful
@kingturboturtlednoc5722
@kingturboturtlednoc5722 3 жыл бұрын
@@tigrisardens username checks out
@tigrisardens
@tigrisardens 3 жыл бұрын
@@kingturboturtlednoc5722 😂
@shreyassingh3236
@shreyassingh3236 2 жыл бұрын
Well he said he found (C)V too restrictive
@editname6868
@editname6868 2 жыл бұрын
IM GONNA GO CRAZY AND NOT HAVE A SYLLABLE STRUCTURE
@shboi8103
@shboi8103 6 жыл бұрын
Challenge: Do a whole video in your language. (w/ captions)
@efenty6235
@efenty6235 4 жыл бұрын
vesszen trianon
@darwinannable8942
@darwinannable8942 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@naolucillerandom5280
@naolucillerandom5280 4 жыл бұрын
I may do this some day
@montseyc3888
@montseyc3888 4 жыл бұрын
RFT icu icu! Komeni panta kyu gamite! (Yeah! It'll be a piece of cake!)
@marcusdillem9678
@marcusdillem9678 4 жыл бұрын
*without captions**
@anoren
@anoren 8 жыл бұрын
7:26 You actually can pronounce [r]! Such an amazing allophone.
@wanderingrandomer
@wanderingrandomer 8 жыл бұрын
The alveolar trill is my favourite.
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+Modr Chi Wait...was that actually the alveolar trill???? Holy...cow....
@gunjfur8633
@gunjfur8633 6 жыл бұрын
Iykury Sounds like a trill to me
@EthanParmetItsDaBunny
@EthanParmetItsDaBunny 6 жыл бұрын
no, watch your last video, you put some non-alveolar trill resembling the letter R by using your throat. But it was closer than the episode you hosted wwith Andi
@MK-ex4pb
@MK-ex4pb 6 жыл бұрын
I don't get how he struggles with this. It's basically just vibrating /d/
@Madash023
@Madash023 8 жыл бұрын
I wrote a Python script that generates words for my alien conlang by selecting random syllables based on their frequency of occurence, constructing syllables, and chaining syllables together. At the time, I was not aware of any of this conlang stuff you've been covering, but its been really interesting. Perhaps when I have the time, I'll update the program to include all these new language rules.
@robdoghd
@robdoghd 8 жыл бұрын
Time to wait another 10 years for a conlang video
@HandSanitizerAttack
@HandSanitizerAttack 8 жыл бұрын
What? You........... WHAT?
@HandSanitizerAttack
@HandSanitizerAttack 8 жыл бұрын
But you're like a... cringe comp person....
@robdoghd
@robdoghd 8 жыл бұрын
+HandSanitizerAttack No more
@HandSanitizerAttack
@HandSanitizerAttack 8 жыл бұрын
BlueUmbrella Oh riiight. Sorry for the unsub, I just liked your cringe comps :(
@robdoghd
@robdoghd 8 жыл бұрын
+HandSanitizerAttack It's all good Sani bro! We still having a good time
@prim16
@prim16 6 жыл бұрын
Behold my language. Only nasals are permitted at the nucleus, and both the onset and coda must comprise of only plosives. Kpntb qtŋg tɢɱc n, to you, my good sir.
@praneethmashetty591
@praneethmashetty591 4 жыл бұрын
Primaski Can you translate that?
@krysztof6917
@krysztof6917 3 жыл бұрын
Mine has no limit to consonant clusters lol, I have a few voweless words
@yerdasellsavon9232
@yerdasellsavon9232 3 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna stick with ccvc
@asloii_1749
@asloii_1749 3 жыл бұрын
@@yerdasellsavon9232 based
@plant5875
@plant5875 3 жыл бұрын
@@yerdasellsavon9232 based
@traktortarik8224
@traktortarik8224 6 жыл бұрын
3:00 English allows /n/ and /l/ to be nuclei, as in “eat​ *en* ” and “batt *le* “
@ryuko4478
@ryuko4478 5 жыл бұрын
It's mentioned in the description.
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 3 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, with a few exceptions that only consist of “m”s and possibly an initial “h”, syllabic consonants tend to be at the end of morphemes, after stopped consonants.
@HeadCannon19
@HeadCannon19 3 жыл бұрын
Also as in "mart *yr* " and "wat *er* ", depending on your accent
@EnigmaticLucas
@EnigmaticLucas 3 жыл бұрын
Not universally. Some English speakers (including myself) pronounce those syllables as /ən/ and /ʊl/, respectively.
@ethanbeharry9478
@ethanbeharry9478 3 жыл бұрын
@@HeadCannon19 water is one syllable, its pronouncuation is watr
@j-bird1778
@j-bird1778 3 жыл бұрын
"To take a step away from English, I am going to allow n as a syllabic consonant." Laughs in Alabama accent.
@jamez6398
@jamez6398 8 жыл бұрын
Oh my. How interesting. I didn't realise constructing a language was so complicated.
@OrangeC7
@OrangeC7 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I always tried to make my own language... I know now that everything I did was completely wrong! XD
@jamez6398
@jamez6398 8 жыл бұрын
OrangeCreeper217 I mean how did cavemen and shit construct languages? :/
@BetaDude40
@BetaDude40 8 жыл бұрын
+James Oldfield As our vocal chords and mouths began evolving to be more precise at making noises, we started speaking languages. They didn't really come up with it, it just sorta started happening. Writing, on the other hand, pretty much did come from artificial creation.
@jamez6398
@jamez6398 8 жыл бұрын
BetaDude40 It must have hurt their hand at first until they got used to it :/
@BetaDude40
@BetaDude40 8 жыл бұрын
James Oldfield The oldest forms of writing we know of are ancient Sumerian texts, which come from the Fertile Crescent. It gives a really good idea of what early writing was probably like. Their script, called Cuneiform, was just made by pressing a little wooden or bronze stick into wet clay and then letting it dry. And yes, it does take a very long time to just write a single word, so I imagine it was pretty hard for them.
@NikolajLepka
@NikolajLepka 8 жыл бұрын
oh jeez this feels like the syntax and semantics course in computer science all over again
@YujiUedaFan
@YujiUedaFan 8 жыл бұрын
+Nikolaj Lepka Yeah, seems like weird language algebra.
@spherica1438
@spherica1438 8 жыл бұрын
And he hasn't even gotten to the syntax portion of the conlang lol
@gcxs
@gcxs 8 жыл бұрын
Automata!!
@bidaubadeadieu
@bidaubadeadieu 8 жыл бұрын
Ah wonderful! I am enjoying following along and slowly devising my own conlang, but as someone else who has no formal linguistics training, I find it much to difficult to find information on what comes next myself. I applaud your dedication here, these videos are the best.
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+Mage of Void Cheers man. Always good to meet a fellow autodidact.
@rohankishibe6433
@rohankishibe6433 10 ай бұрын
@@Artifexian Hey, weird question, but what if instead of doing all this intensive phonotactics stuff I just didn't make sounds or syllables that weren't easily pronouncable? Essentially, could I just get by on not worrying about this and just making words that feel right?
@okuno54
@okuno54 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Artifexian, I subbed recently when I found this series of videos, and they're good: you definitely have an intuitive sense of natural-ness. I do have a suggestion before you move too far on, though: don't forget that phonotactics isn't just what sounds can/cannot appear next to each other, but also what happens when sounds get put close enough to be illegal: when an unexpected affix is added to a word, when two syllables unexpectedly end up inside the same word, or when words unexpectedly end up next to each other in a sentence (not all languages care much about his last one, which is called sandhi). For example, what happens if a speaker combines the words 'nav' and 'sat' into a compound? /vs/ is an illegal cluster (maybe, see later), so nav + sat = navat? navvat? nassat? napsat? navisat? Or maybe /vs/ is totally legal, but only across a syllable boundary, so it really is just navsat? (It's not as important, but also remember that you have to decide on inter-syllable clusters, not just intra-syllable ones, which in your lang could be up to four consonants--yikes--but don't go making a giant four-dimensional chart just yet :P ). Honestly, the way I tend to deal with this is to make the same stuff you presented, but then not treat those charts as a finished product. Once I'm looking at a chart, I try to pick up on the general rules that might be there. For example, it's not just glottal stop and wh that don't cluster, it's also v, z, x, h (with exceptions for liquid + v in the coda). If it were my language--which it isn't, but--my rule #6 might be something along the lines of "glottals and voiced fricatives don't form clusters, x patterns as h for these purposes, and /f/ > /v/ after sonorants". That would eliminate your /fr, fl, fn/ clusters, though, but that's part of the fun, because you're negotiating your wants against the language itself. First I make charts I want, but then the language wants simple explanatory rules, so I revise the charts to follow the rules, and it goes on like that until I'm happy. I find out if I'm happy when I stick religiously to the rules, but still come up with the kinds of words I want to hear. This technique also helps with more complex clusters, for example: under the rule I proposed, kung + fu = kungvu, which I had absolutely no idea would happen when I made that rule! That's where you can say definitively that a language takes on a life of its own. Hope this helps, and have fun!
@daltonhildreth5727
@daltonhildreth5727 8 жыл бұрын
+Okuno Zankoku I'm 95% sure that's allophony and not phonotactics.
@okuno54
@okuno54 8 жыл бұрын
Well crap, I've been doing it wrong the whole time >.< Maybe? I mean, the two subjects touch so much I hadn't separated them in my mind before now. I guess the difference is that phonotactics sets the rules and allophony enforces them, but if you start with allophony and add language change, you can end up generating phonotactics. Perhaps allophony vs. phonotactics is another of those too-theoretical concepts that happen in linguistics? Regardless, my technique uses both, and Artifexian has another search term to nerd with. And now it's time to find the time to revise my grammar docs T.T
@daltonhildreth5727
@daltonhildreth5727 8 жыл бұрын
Allophony describes how phonemes become the phonetic pronunciation, while phonotactics describes what the phonemic description can even be. Allophony does tend to lead to phonotactics when looked at diachronically, yes. 
@cythereanmapping
@cythereanmapping 7 жыл бұрын
Cool
@cifge_404
@cifge_404 5 жыл бұрын
In the word of the cat from Pixar's _Bolt,_ "Woah, woah, woah, WAY too many words."
@KenjiWardenclyffe
@KenjiWardenclyffe 8 жыл бұрын
Hopefully by the end of the Conlang series i can design my own for my scifi story. woo. excited.
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+Kenji Wardenclyffe Awesome.
@Vautour32
@Vautour32 8 жыл бұрын
"Angst" was borrowed from German fairly recently, so it may not be the best example. "Strengths"?
@MK-ex4pb
@MK-ex4pb 6 жыл бұрын
Søren Poulsen /k/ is known to make an appearance there sometimes
@alienplatypus7712
@alienplatypus7712 5 жыл бұрын
Michael King If you want to be far to technical [sʈɻʷε͜ẽŋɡ̊d̥͡θs] would be how it’s pronounced for most native English speakers (supposedly I just looked that up to be honest). Annoyingly that’s still technically only four consonants at the end so angsts still wins. Since it’s been in English for over a century though it’s kind of ridiculous to discount it in a language as fast evolving as English.
@2tri749
@2tri749 5 жыл бұрын
Mischsprache (German, 6 letter combo “schspr”)
@alienplatypus7712
@alienplatypus7712 5 жыл бұрын
2Tri that doesn’t really mean a whole lot since this is a discussion on pronunciation, not spelling. The “sch” is only one sound, so the actual pronunciation only has four consecutive consonants, moreover, they’re split between syllables, so the longest significant consonant cluster is “spr” anyway, which appears in English words like spring, sprite and sprig anyway. (If you count words with multiple syllables “hamstring” from English four consecutive consonants sounds in the middle by common pronunciation, and that’s just the first thing that came into my head, a quick look and “windstruck” has at least five in the middle, but really it doesn’t matter since it’s no harder pronouncing two difficult syllables next to each other in a scentece, for instance “angst’s strudel” is functionally eight consonants without a break since there’s no gap in speech, though that’s pushing it, especially with the German loanwords)
@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus
@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus 5 жыл бұрын
I can't pronounce "strengths" at all. Anything with a "θ" followed by an "s" is impossible for me. :(
@robloxaddict34
@robloxaddict34 8 жыл бұрын
I've given up on conlanging but this is still pretty interesting.
@nossasenhoradesaparecidapa1660
@nossasenhoradesaparecidapa1660 8 жыл бұрын
I'm almost giving up too, although I've given up for a time ago, conlanging sometimes make me feel close to the world, so I need air and some adventures with my family in the woods
@robloxaddict34
@robloxaddict34 8 жыл бұрын
Interesting!
@robloxaddict34
@robloxaddict34 8 жыл бұрын
+Christian Wilson AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@cifge_404
@cifge_404 5 жыл бұрын
*Gasp* Don't give up! It's too awesome and cool and fascinating and... And stuff...
@efenty6235
@efenty6235 4 жыл бұрын
/BR/uh
@oldchan4092
@oldchan4092 8 жыл бұрын
This episode was hard for me to follow. I zoned out at the end. I'll need to re-watch this later.
@if3660
@if3660 8 жыл бұрын
I have watched it 3 times now, trust me it doesn't get any easier.
@oldchan4092
@oldchan4092 8 жыл бұрын
Yikes.
@stonefacedcreep208
@stonefacedcreep208 8 жыл бұрын
Learn IPA on Wikipedia. It's really not hard. If you want to conlang. It's critical. Also reading The Language Construction Kit is a great start. It's fairly short, but dense, yet simple to follow.
@stonefacedcreep208
@stonefacedcreep208 8 жыл бұрын
You need to watch these in order as well.
@MyNameisNick
@MyNameisNick 7 жыл бұрын
it's not critical to learn most of ipa
@boredombuster2000
@boredombuster2000 8 жыл бұрын
Just so you know, /n/ is syllabic in most English dialects: "button" has a syllabic N in it. /l/ and (in rhotic accents) /r/ are also syllabic: "sidle" has a syllabic L in it, and Americans pronounce "center" with a syllabic R. (Similarly, the French R is syllabic in words like "centre" and L is syllabic in some Alpine German dialects, which can be seen in names like Ischgl, Austria.)
@gal749
@gal749 4 жыл бұрын
It's so funny that Artifexian moved r to ʀ because he can't pronounce r, but he even pronounces ʀ as ʁǃ
@chrisbovington9607
@chrisbovington9607 8 жыл бұрын
Although my understanding is limited, my fascination is infinite. Great vid.
@freedomreoo1563
@freedomreoo1563 7 жыл бұрын
I made up a language and I'm nearly fluent in it! Yay
@bonbonpony
@bonbonpony 6 жыл бұрын
How many words does it have?
@prim16
@prim16 6 жыл бұрын
I'll speak it with you!
@ethanbeharry9478
@ethanbeharry9478 3 жыл бұрын
wOw congrats!
@kris.yochev
@kris.yochev 8 жыл бұрын
5:31 in my language (bulgarian in question) we kinda have that /kva/. It appears like the shortened female of "What". The normal form is /Kakva/, but we-Bulgarians - drop the /ak/ when we are in an unofficial condition. it ends up something like /kva e tazi iabalka/ instead of /kakva e tazi iabalka/
@antstik99
@antstik99 8 жыл бұрын
i'm so glad you've finally uploaded another conlanging video! i like how well you organise your work, it really makes me want to go back to conlanging myself xd
@catsjacinto
@catsjacinto 8 жыл бұрын
I'm worldbuilding and outlining and overall planning a novel for nanowrimo, and I can't put into words how much your channel has helped me so far! You, along with Mark Rosenfelder's Planet and Language Construction Kits, have been my go-to place for worldbuilding purposes!
@hydricbluen8498
@hydricbluen8498 5 жыл бұрын
hello, Artefexian! I have been making my conlang in about an entire day, the language's excel sheet is somewhat messy(sorry for that this is my first full-fledged conlang!), I used your tutorial on how to make words and different vowels and consonants sound good together. I also used the tutorial from biblaridion. You guys have taught me a lot about making conlangs and for a 14-year-old it's a lot to take in. I showed what I had already gotten done the four hours I worked before coming to school. I had pretty much the basic concept of the language itself, but I didn't finish some of the subject pronouns. Which I quickly finished in Spanish class. I made sure that the language started in a proto stage, where the [tʃ] sound was written tch, [dʒ] was dzh, [x] didn't exist, [ɲ] didn't exist, and the only diacritic I had was for the schwa. The language was extremely hard to read and pronounce, was of my words being ngadzh /ŋadʒ/, eventually, I thought to myself and said... this is too hard to read and pronounce, so I took all of the long vowels I had made and gave them the appropriate diacritic(macron) and then introduced some new sounds, [x] and [ɲ] these ideas in my head sparked from the languages Swedish(i think) and Spanish as I am currently learning Spanish and pretty much everyone can pronounce those sounds, so ngadzh changed into, ñaj /ɲadʒ/ the changes I made to the language made it so much clearer to read and pronounce and I wanted to thank you for the great knowledge you have given me. The language's name is klauī btw! Heres the Google Drive link for the excel spreadsheet, in wondrous colors: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YrC-s4bOqsqhhn9eoGUAPO1G8U7PlasWlVngHFEt9cc/edit?usp=sharing
@pufthemajicdragon
@pufthemajicdragon 2 жыл бұрын
Duuuuuuude I remember trying to conlang in 6th grade, about 12 yo, but I had ADHD and had like one or two pages of vocabulary with basic English letters, sounds, grammar, and syntax. But for a 14yo to be building the phonology from the ground up? I'm going on 40 now and I'm impressed! I'm curious to know how far you got in the last couple years!
@thelaughinghyenas7962
@thelaughinghyenas7962 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for spending the time on this. I appreciate your videos and what they cover.
@haydenmaines7456
@haydenmaines7456 8 жыл бұрын
great timing! I've just started working through on my conlang again, focused on vowel harmony and inherent iambic meter. Just finished selecting the consonants this weekend, to find this gem in the subscription box! Keep up the good work mate!
@playtimethejumpropegirl7555
@playtimethejumpropegirl7555 5 жыл бұрын
Môhru: Artifexian, tibe tê ingonýama ânįp! English: Artifexian, great job on the video!
@kingdedede5933
@kingdedede5933 6 жыл бұрын
For my ConLang I used a strange CVV' style *at the coda you CAN actually use a glottal stop but you can't use a letter or my ConLang's case symbol
@kookiplops8444
@kookiplops8444 8 жыл бұрын
Hope things get better on the irl side of things. Your channel is awesome and this conlang series is honestly one of the best resources for language constructing I,ve ever found. Anyways, good luck wit yo bad self!
@parthiancapitalist2733
@parthiancapitalist2733 7 жыл бұрын
What about stress? Single phoneme rules? Simplifications? This language needs more
@parthiancapitalist2733
@parthiancapitalist2733 7 жыл бұрын
pnt can be hole in your language (thumbnail)
@zozzy4630
@zozzy4630 3 жыл бұрын
Artifexian on languages: "I'm a minimalist! My conlang only has 4 vowels." Artifexian on cartography: "... and this pixel riiight here is part of that 27.65-cubic-meter copper deposit. Remember, you can approximate the size of it by taking the atomic mass of copper, 63.55, then divide that by the altitude of the river here in tens of meters: we're at 11.47m here, so that's 1.147. Lastly, don't forget to divide once more by half the number of vowels spoken in the language of the natives who live here, which should always be 4."
@dard1515
@dard1515 8 жыл бұрын
Wow, you came out with this yesterday. I found this series' first video yesterday. Can't wait for more! Though, I'll have to wrap my head around this whole C V thing before I can move on anyway...
@tabithad5146
@tabithad5146 8 жыл бұрын
I love these videos! Dunno why I haven't subscribed until now, but here you go, another subscriber :) One of my favorite things about these is that they often remind me of things I've either forgotten or never thought of considering when worldbuilding/conlanging. For my conlangs in development, I haven't really thought in depth about phonotactics, instead just going by what sounds like it fits in the language instead of being more methodical about it. Perhaps I should change my habits if I want consistency.
@maddscraft5459
@maddscraft5459 5 жыл бұрын
When he mentioned Minecraft, I was actually playing Minecraft and watching this in the background.
@sharperhenz90
@sharperhenz90 8 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, I'd love to learn more! Can you include a compendium video on why you chose these options? Maybe provide other options for us at home to try too
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+Henry Zakay I think that closest thing I have to this is my podcast. www.artifexian.com/ It's a place where I and my co-host often continue on the discussion started by my videos.
@enriquemunoz8795
@enriquemunoz8795 7 жыл бұрын
You should keep up with this. Upload more examples of our language! This is super interesting and a very useful guide
@heimerblaster976
@heimerblaster976 7 жыл бұрын
Very cool stuff Edgar. Your knowledge is very good with conlang ing. The explanations great.
@jenniferlam7482
@jenniferlam7482 4 жыл бұрын
By any chance could you upload a sample spreadsheet like the one shown in the video? It looks really helpful for organizing.
@Tesana
@Tesana 8 жыл бұрын
Do you think there will be a time when you could teach us your language when you've finished creating it?
@MrBeiragua
@MrBeiragua 8 жыл бұрын
I think he will create it and show every step in the videos, so he will teach us as a consequence.
@Tesana
@Tesana 8 жыл бұрын
Mosco Monster Good point.
@ethanbeharry9478
@ethanbeharry9478 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrBeiragua he's already created most of the words so i don't think he'll share the vocab as a dictionary but wHo knows
@messenger3478
@messenger3478 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome, I've been waiting for this for a while now. This video was a great help. It helps to clearify and outline phonotacitcs. I learned a lot here. Thank you. :)
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+Brian Hill (Messenger) Awesome. (and sorry for the delay)
@user-rl4rl7sv2y
@user-rl4rl7sv2y 7 ай бұрын
"death by clustering" will always be an iconic phrase in conlanging
@tuxcup
@tuxcup 8 жыл бұрын
Japanese be like: (C)V(N) anybody?
@oskarekestorm4544
@oskarekestorm4544 8 жыл бұрын
Well, Japanese is traditionally regarded as not having syllables but rather moras. Each mora should in theory be pronounced with the same length. There are six mora types, namely: V, jV, CV, CjV, N, and Q. ‘Q’ refers to doubling next consonant, as in kokko.
@tuxcup
@tuxcup 8 жыл бұрын
+Oskar Ekestorm can't Ya yu and yo have the y be classified as a consonant?
@asdfpersonguy
@asdfpersonguy 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, jV is just a type of CV mora. :V
@oskarekestorm4544
@oskarekestorm4544 8 жыл бұрын
+tuxcup True indeed, jV can be seen as a variant of CV, as +asdfpersonguy states. The thing is, though, that problems arise when trying to explain the CjV mora. The jV and CjV are called palatalized morae, meaning that the consonants of the morae are pronounced with a y-sound or that the same y-sound is put in front of vowel-only morae, i.e., ka -> kya, u -> yu. As the y-sound cannot be palatalized, it is useful to define C to be all consonants but ‘j’, keeping that specific sound separate from palatalizable consonants. I.e., there can be no double ‘j’ (yya).
@asdfpersonguy
@asdfpersonguy 8 жыл бұрын
+Oskar Ekestorm ahh, right, I didn't think about the fact that jj is impossible.
@felipevasconcelos6736
@felipevasconcelos6736 8 жыл бұрын
My internet is as slow as hell, but I'm early, and that's what matters!
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+Felipe Vasconcelos Huzzah!
@felipevasconcelos6736
@felipevasconcelos6736 8 жыл бұрын
Artifexian I'm having trouble with the ŋ sound. I tried using ng, but it looks really bad at the onset (like ngu), and it looks like /ŋgu/, not like /ŋu/. Then I tried using ŋ itself, but it's hard to type, and ConWorkShop doesn't seem to like it. I considered using ñ, but I'm already using it as a palatal nasal. I also don't like digraphs, but I'm still using dh for the voiced palatal plosive, gh for the voiced velar fricative, bb for the bilabial trill and rr for the uvular trill. How do you find a way to represent all these sounds with a clear latinization?
@jeremiahjensen8652
@jeremiahjensen8652 8 жыл бұрын
+Felipe Vasconcelos use ^ can be ng and ^> and so on in other words use the rest of the key board for the awesomeness
@azadlatif6427
@azadlatif6427 5 жыл бұрын
all your vids are gems! way to go,pal.
@kalez238
@kalez238 8 жыл бұрын
Oh man. The video was great and I love what you did as always, but it all went way over my head lol. So much more than I ever want to bother with, any time in the near future, at least.
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+kalez238 Ye, some folks dig the conlanging others can only understand the physical worldbuilding. Horses for courses, eh? Important thing is to all be omnivorous; you never know where your next source of inspiration will come from.
@27danjel
@27danjel 8 жыл бұрын
I think I won't be able to pronounce any of this. I still have trouble when speaking English... xD
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+27danjel You and me both...have you heard the way I pronounce my "th"s :/
@ccityplanner1217
@ccityplanner1217 8 жыл бұрын
Over time, /sj/ & /zj/ would probably morph into /ʃ/ & /ʒ/, like in Swedish.
@moslemaahmmad9950
@moslemaahmmad9950 6 жыл бұрын
ccityplanner12 in Hindi to Bangla it goes kshmo to kkho
@rokujadotorupata4408
@rokujadotorupata4408 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn't even need time when try to pronounce sj or zj fast i end up with sh and zh voices
@EnigmaticLucas
@EnigmaticLucas 3 жыл бұрын
The /j/ could also just disappear. That’s what happened in American English.
@DominoPivot
@DominoPivot 4 жыл бұрын
The word for "disagree" should be nʔn 😁 I keep coming back to this video every now and then, the spreadsheet approach is extremely useful.
@siravachatimanontaccount_g6932
@siravachatimanontaccount_g6932 8 жыл бұрын
Great to see this video set again!!!
@TimmacTR
@TimmacTR 8 жыл бұрын
So, when are we going to hear you speak your new language? :)
@AnstonMusic
@AnstonMusic 8 жыл бұрын
+TimmacTR Well, you could start coming up with words for the language based on these constraints.
@Valosken
@Valosken 8 жыл бұрын
+TimmacTR When it actually has words and grammar! He only just managed the bloody phonotactics!
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+TimmacTR As soon as humanly possible. :)
@cifge_404
@cifge_404 5 жыл бұрын
Chill, Valo. He knows. Chill.
@dina9985
@dina9985 5 жыл бұрын
TimmacTR Hey ! i have an assignment.If i tell u about it u will help me?
@rzeka
@rzeka 8 жыл бұрын
Honestly I love the idea of an initial velar nasal. It just sounds nice to me and its not the most common of sounds, so it'll give the language a certain feel to it.
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+rzeka #TeamInitialVelarNasal
@yaboimaxwell9031
@yaboimaxwell9031 8 жыл бұрын
Make conlangs great again
@stonefacedcreep208
@stonefacedcreep208 8 жыл бұрын
It's common outside of Europe.
@wanderingrandomer
@wanderingrandomer 8 жыл бұрын
Don't you mean 'ngight vision'?
@parthiancapitalist2733
@parthiancapitalist2733 7 жыл бұрын
rzeka I like retro flex sounds especially the nasal and fricative
@thecapacitor1395
@thecapacitor1395 8 жыл бұрын
This is mental man, great work! :D
@jw5172
@jw5172 3 жыл бұрын
My brain always stops working halfway through these video, making me have to re-watch certain parts, but I don't mind it lol. Your accent (dialect?) is cool to listen to
@k3aschas466
@k3aschas466 8 жыл бұрын
English does allow for an /n/ in the nucleus, as in mission /mɪʃn̩/. (/l/, /m/, and /r/ are also allowed in the nucleus)
@entwistlefromthewho
@entwistlefromthewho 8 жыл бұрын
+k3aschas "Mission" contains a schwa: /'mɪʃən̩/
@spherica1438
@spherica1438 8 жыл бұрын
depends on the utterance I would say. 'mission' is probably phonemically /'mɪʃən/ but may be realized as [mɪʃn̩] I'm not actually sure which is more relevant to phonotactics though :|
@ryuko4478
@ryuko4478 6 жыл бұрын
[ən] is considered the same as [n̩] in English
@airmanon7213
@airmanon7213 7 жыл бұрын
I wonder, how does one go about with making a Lexicon though?
@widmawod
@widmawod 8 жыл бұрын
I think this video are very useful for who loves creating languages (like me). I think this video in particular is very good. Well done!!
@gwho
@gwho Жыл бұрын
This is super helpful and illstrative. It's even sort of an obscure topic for linguistics itself.
@Dark.Pri77
@Dark.Pri77 2 жыл бұрын
My conlang is a (C)(C)V(C)launguage
@mertatakan7591
@mertatakan7591 29 күн бұрын
Nobody asked that's why you have 4 likes
@Dark.Pri77
@Dark.Pri77 29 күн бұрын
@@mertatakan7591 atleast I didn't like myself
@mertatakan7591
@mertatakan7591 29 күн бұрын
@@Dark.Pri77 At least I can shut up whem nobody asked
@alejotassile6441
@alejotassile6441 8 жыл бұрын
This channel needs More suscribers....
@user-gt3ue3le9c
@user-gt3ue3le9c 8 жыл бұрын
this is awesome! keep up the good work!
@sunriselg
@sunriselg 6 жыл бұрын
Just last week someone told me that a word like the German "Angstschweiß" would not exist in many other languages because of all the consonants clustering together.
@Hefri
@Hefri 8 жыл бұрын
Will you make your own symbols for the alphabet or use Latin alphabet?
@duoduos9221
@duoduos9221 4 жыл бұрын
Right now he is using the Latin alphabet, later he will create a script.
@lock_ray
@lock_ray 8 жыл бұрын
Pretty neat part of language, that I had never heard of before .-. huge help if I ever decided to make my own conlang But now what matters most is one thing... 7:26 what's that sound you just pronounced just there. Explam
@Nosirrbro
@Nosirrbro 8 жыл бұрын
+Lock Ray To me it sounds like he said impu/ɾɾɾ/t but it sounds strangely velar, which is an impossible sound to make so...
@haeilsey
@haeilsey 8 жыл бұрын
+Nosirrbro Apparently not impossible for him! Call in the phoneticians!
@5up3rp3rs0n
@5up3rp3rs0n 6 жыл бұрын
He pronounced the last syllable of inputted too quickly and it sounded like an alveolar trill. Nothing really special. :v
@ShakingSauce
@ShakingSauce Жыл бұрын
"I found these sounds really hard to easily and consistently pronounce" - Proceeds to pronounce both sounds at the end of syllables perfectly
@JayAlcala23
@JayAlcala23 8 жыл бұрын
Much more thought out than my phonotactics. :D I love it man, I might take some pages out of your notebook Edgar. Please, PLEASE keep making these videos. It's really helpful to see how other people tackle these systems and systematic approaches to what I'm sporadically and lazily attempting. You should check out CWS and it's PhoMo system and try putting your language through it. It's an online program that catalogs and tests your languages. If you like it, maybe make some videos on how to use it for scrubs like myself, I'm currently brute-forcing my way through it, rather ineffectively. lol, keep up the good work and Don't Forget To Be Awesome Edgar! :D
@baloung7622
@baloung7622 8 жыл бұрын
I was a big fan of your phonological inventory (although, personally, I like when I can have fun with large inventories), and I understand the choices you made as to what was in for the phonotactics, I was just wondering if only adding [n] as a syllable nucleus wasn't a but restrictive, 'cause my brain can't help thinking "why no other nasal syllable nuclei?" (haven't heard of any language with only one or two consonant syllable nuclei allowed), but you know, why not? Also, are you planning on making your language evolve to add some complexity to it? I know it'd completely mess up all the minimalist efforts you've put into it so far, but I just love the idiosyncrasies of natural(istic) languages, which the reason they're so awesome!
@entwistlefromthewho
@entwistlefromthewho 8 жыл бұрын
+Baloung Indeed. It's generally a better idea to say "nasals" than just /n/. /n/ by itself is somewhat restrictive and Edgar may find it too repetitive when he comes to build words later on.
@genius11433
@genius11433 8 жыл бұрын
+Baloung Where did he say that he was only going to use /n/ as a consonant syllable nucleus? He only just used /n/ in his example, but IIRC, he mentioned /m/, /n/, /l/, and /r/.
@entwistlefromthewho
@entwistlefromthewho 8 жыл бұрын
At 3:05 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z7ugaMuE0p2wiX0.htmlm5s Edgar said he's only including vowels, diphthongs and /n/ in the nucleus.
@parthiancapitalist2733
@parthiancapitalist2733 6 жыл бұрын
It is very simple and logical. It may be a proto proto language spoken probably 10000 years ago or something. He may evolve it Proto-Oa Old-Oa middle-Oa (Some dialects) (Some languages derived from each dialect) New languages Boom Note: there could be few dialects that emerge from proto or old oa
@quantumx9729
@quantumx9729 3 жыл бұрын
"fine shaft"
@TheMainTagonist
@TheMainTagonist 8 жыл бұрын
This is way more involved and thought out than any conlang I've ever made. Then again, my conlangs tend to be pretty phonologically/phonotactically simple.
@Lavalle.mp3
@Lavalle.mp3 8 жыл бұрын
Amazing channel, subscribed!
@MrC0MPUT3R
@MrC0MPUT3R 8 жыл бұрын
Stargate reference! YAAAAAAAAAASSS!
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+MrC0MPUT3R Hells yeah!
@harolddinner6060
@harolddinner6060 8 жыл бұрын
+MrC0MPUT3R +Artifexian YAY Daniel Jackson!! Who was the lady, though?
@davidjoslyn3834
@davidjoslyn3834 8 жыл бұрын
+Comeacar Hoshii. The xenolinguist from Star Trek Enterprise.
@incarnatemus
@incarnatemus 4 жыл бұрын
"check it out: i-in-mine, a-aft-craft *MINECRAFT*"
@SailorBarsoom
@SailorBarsoom 7 жыл бұрын
I think that this might just be too advanced for me. A conlang may be more than I can do, except in a limited, amateurish way. I'm not thrilled about that, but there it is. And I was having such fun with ideas like "words can begin with R but not with L; R's which wind up in the middle of words become L's." I had a character introduce herself as "Rillakishoi! Ree Rah Kee Shoi, Rillakishoi!" She pronounced a little boy's name as either "Ahnd-thlay" or "Ahn-duh Ray."
@LittleGenevieve
@LittleGenevieve 2 жыл бұрын
'Onset, nucleus, coda' are just really fancy words for beginning middle and end
@lv2draw1
@lv2draw1 8 жыл бұрын
... I'm going to pretend i understood all of that... I mean, it was interesting but my brain was a bit WTF? during it...
@lv2draw1
@lv2draw1 8 жыл бұрын
... Ok... rewatching this and the previous language creation video helped... i get it better now.
@niydfass1060
@niydfass1060 6 жыл бұрын
I understood it but then I got lost when he got to clusters.
@GamingMeatBag
@GamingMeatBag 8 жыл бұрын
Can somone explain to me what he exactly means that the glotal stop and "w" can never cluster.
@niku..
@niku.. 8 жыл бұрын
Something like kʔa or kʍa isn't allowed. The glottal stop is always used between vowels so there can't be any consonant next to it. And the voiceless labio-velar approximant has to be all alone in the onset or coda. Understand?
@GamingMeatBag
@GamingMeatBag 8 жыл бұрын
Niku Yeah thanks. Any idea why though? Is this common in almost every language?
@niku..
@niku.. 8 жыл бұрын
DeepSea King no idea why. There are plenty of languages with glottalized consonants. I don't know whether there is a language that has a cluster with the voiceless velar approximant but it isn't difficult to pronounce
@GamingMeatBag
@GamingMeatBag 8 жыл бұрын
Niku Would an Arabic or Midlle Eastern/North African language have glottalized consonants?
@niku..
@niku.. 8 жыл бұрын
DeepSea King Arabic has pharyngealized consonants but no glottalized consonants. I haven't heard of any clusters with the glottal stop or glottalized consonants in any of the modern languages but Proto-Semitic had probably ejectives, a kind of glottalized consonants (but only θʼ, ɬʼ and sʼ). All of them merged with other consonants. To answer your question: no the arabic/semitic glottal stop never clusters with consonants or produce glottalized consonants. Are creating a conlang based on Semitic languages?
@JayFolipurba
@JayFolipurba 8 жыл бұрын
This is pretty exciting. I haven't even thought of the things you did, I didn't even know about them.
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+JayFolipurba Ye, phonotactics is a much over looked part of the language construction process
@tompatterson1548
@tompatterson1548 4 жыл бұрын
button, rhythm, bottle, turn. all of these have consonants in the nucleus
@tailbonetailbone9380
@tailbonetailbone9380 4 жыл бұрын
I've been making a (C)V language without diphthongs or consecutive vowels, and I feel offended by you thinking that is overly simplistic. /s Good video though. If I ever decide to do some non-stupid conlanging I might use this method. Tudibon!
@Lucy-ng7cw
@Lucy-ng7cw 8 жыл бұрын
anyone have an excel chart of ipa that they could send to me?
@markmayonnaise1163
@markmayonnaise1163 8 жыл бұрын
Google it mate
@Gunth0r
@Gunth0r 6 жыл бұрын
tl;dr -- I found this handy page: westonruter.github.io/ipa-chart/keyboard/ Yeah, takes some time to find all the proper characters on the windows character map. I copy/pasted them from the IPA pdf and tabled them according to my needs. Here's most of the 2015 IPA. Save the following comma-separated text as something.csv, then use the import function in whatever sheet software you're using. You're welcome! CONSONANTS,Bilabial,Labio-dental,Dental,Alveolar,Postalveolar,Retroflex,Palatal,Labial-velar,Velar,Uvular,Pharyngeal/Epiglottal,Glottal,, Plosive,p / b,p̪ / b̪,t̪ / d̪,t / d,,ʈ / ɖ,c / ɟ ,,k / g,q / ɢ,ʡ,Ɂ,,LEGEND Implosive,ɓ̥ / ɓ ,,,ɗ,,ᶑ,ʄ,,ɠ,ʛ,,,,voiced Ejective,pʼ,,t̪ʼ,tʼ,,ʈʼ,cʼ,,kʼ,qʼ,,,,voiceless Nasal,m̥ / m,ɱ̊ / ɱ,n̪̊ / n̪ ,n̥ / n,,ɳ̊ / ɳ,ɲ,,ŋ,ɴ,,,, Trill,ʙ,,,r̥ / r,,ɽ͡r,,,,ʀ,ʢ,,, Tap/Flap,ⱱ̟,ⱱ,,ɾ,,ɽ,,,,,ʡ̆,,, Fricative,ɸ / β,f / v,θ / ð,s / z,ʃ / ʒ,ʂ / ʐ,ç / ʝ,,x / ɣ,χ / ʁ,ʜ / ʢ,h / ɦ,, Lateral fricative,,,,ɬ / ɮ,,ꞎ,,,,,,,, Approximant,β̞̊ / β̞,ʋ̥ / ʋ,ð̞,ɹ̥ / ɹ,,ɻ̊ / ɻ ,j,ʍ / w,ɰ,,,,, Lateral approximant,,,,l̥ / l,,ɭ,ʎ,,ʟ,,,,, Click consonant,ʘ,,ǀ,ǃ,ǃ / ǂ,,,,,,,,, Lateral click,,,ǁ / ʖ,*,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I did not include the class alveolo-palatal and skipped lateral flap and percussive. I've also merged Pharyngeal with Epiglottal since I haven't found any distinction,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,Front,Near-front,Central,Near-back,Back,,Diacritic,Function,Diacritic,Function,Diacritic,Function,, Close,i / y,,ɨ / ʉ,,ɯ / u,,,,,,,,, Near-close,,ɪ / ʏ,ɪ̈ / ʊ̈,ɯ̽ / ʊ,,,˳,Voiceless,̤,Breathy Voiced,͏̪,Dental,, Close-mid,e / ø,,ɘ / ɵ,,ɤ / o,,ˬ,Voiced,˷,Creaky Voiced,˽,Apical,, Mid,,,ə,,,,ʰ,Aspirated,͏̼,Linguolabial,͏̻,Laminal,, Open-mid,ɛ / œ,,ɜ / ɞ,,ʌ / ɔ,,̹,More Rounded,ʷ,Labialized,̃,Nasalized,, Near-open,æ,,ɐ,,,,͏̜,Less Rounded,ʲ,Palatalized,ⁿ,Nasal release,, Open,a / ɶ,,,,ɑ / ɒ,,˖,Advanced,ˠ,Velarized,ˡ,Lateral release,, Vowel length marker,ː,,,,,,ˍ,Retracted,ˤ,Pharyngealized,˺,No audible release,, secondary stress,ˌ,,,,,,̈,Centralized,̴,Velarized,,,, primary stress,ˈ,,,,,,˟,Mid-Centralized,˔,Raised,,,, ,,,,,,,ˌ,Syllabic,˕,Lowered,,,, ,,,,,,,͏̯,Non-syllabic,͏̘,Advanced Tongue,,,, ,,,,,,,˞,Rhoticity,͏̙,Retracted Tongue,,,,
@MK-ex4pb
@MK-ex4pb 6 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea
@jmmip202
@jmmip202 6 жыл бұрын
www.internationalphoneticalphabet.org/ipa-sounds/ipa-chart-with-sounds/
@hiddenshadow2105
@hiddenshadow2105 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I wonder if you can tell more about how and on base of what you arranged sounds in your spreadsheets to make sample combinations.
@RoflZack
@RoflZack 8 жыл бұрын
This is the first video that came out since I subscribed. Cool.
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+Zachary Taylor Awesome sauce. Glad to have you on board.
@ganon6207
@ganon6207 8 жыл бұрын
Are you going with the Latin alphabet? Or are you going to make up an alphabet.
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+Mr.Tas Eventually, I'll come up with a script. For now the latin alphabet is the most convenient.
@entwistlefromthewho
@entwistlefromthewho 8 жыл бұрын
+Artifexian I'm a huge fan of the abugida! ;-)
@axisboss1654
@axisboss1654 8 жыл бұрын
It would look cool in Cyrillic. A lot of my Conlangs are written in both Latin and Cyrillic.
@connorhearn3011
@connorhearn3011 7 жыл бұрын
Could you use the International Phonetic Alphabet as it is in a language as the alphabet?
@playtimethejumpropegirl7555
@playtimethejumpropegirl7555 5 жыл бұрын
Spoiler: Own alphabet.
@dgrassed
@dgrassed 8 жыл бұрын
More xidnaf
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+d'grassed We'll see.
@dgrassed
@dgrassed 8 жыл бұрын
+Artifexian you answered......... Yay
@TimothyGreenTRiG
@TimothyGreenTRiG 8 жыл бұрын
I recently found my notes from when I tried conlanging when I was 15 and knew nothing of phonetics (or any other subject in linguistics, really). I should dust them off and start again. The only thing I remember from the language is that it was VSO (like Irish), did not conjugate for person (like Irish), had a set of verb endings each of which inflected differently (like French), and used the prefix "og" on a verb to indicate conditionals. And that it had largely English phonetics, of course. TRiG.
@simpleblaze1716
@simpleblaze1716 8 жыл бұрын
been waiting for every for this
@demidron.
@demidron. 8 жыл бұрын
There's a /k/ in angsts? I certainly don't say it. Then again, I don't pronounce the /p/ in empty.
@demidron.
@demidron. 8 жыл бұрын
Her0plays LC You *can* pronounce a [k] in "angst" but I don't. I guess it's like how some people pronounce a [t] in "mince".
@IroniqEleganceX
@IroniqEleganceX 8 жыл бұрын
yeah, I just say /æŋstʰ/
@parthiancapitalist2733
@parthiancapitalist2733 7 жыл бұрын
Demidron lol, yes you do pronounce the p in empty. Going from a different manner and place of articulation is just not English.
@demidron.
@demidron. 5 жыл бұрын
@@parthiancapitalist2733 Lol, no. Do you pronounce the "b" in "thumb drive"?
@Adhjie
@Adhjie 3 жыл бұрын
@@demidron. if u got eg arabic yes also that reminds me of voiceless meet voiced iirc its in wiktionary or wiki example as bag something I forgot personally no cuz I got no qalqalah as in Arabic my id unless ur talking velar nasal ng then yes iirc a lot of it is from the peninsula near of it I guess eg ngarai instead of jurang also nice one menganga I'm sure foreigner that didn't have initial last and middle ng pronounce it as isolated n & g
@crowphoenix1154
@crowphoenix1154 6 жыл бұрын
I created my lenguage put in the comment what you think it is "Mi Qierantte Kömať Fretto Avëшоkæño"
@crowphoenix1154
@crowphoenix1154 5 жыл бұрын
@SillyBuckz acceptable, its correct
@joshwindle1022
@joshwindle1022 6 жыл бұрын
you and I Mr. artifexian would get along with greatly
@HojoOSanagi
@HojoOSanagi 8 жыл бұрын
My language is one with consonantal roots and thus I found that I would run into consonant clusters all over the place when altering the patterns of consonants and vowels for various grammatical purposes. I chose a (C)(C)V(C)(C) sequence as well and would use schwas to separate either a consonant of the onset or of the coda of any (C)(C)(C)V(C)(C)(C) patterns that formed (the placement of the schwa is dependent on the positions of vowels and their lengths). Only if a pronounceable affricative cluster in my language was formed would the three consonants stay together, and that's extremely rare. Only a few loan words from other languages have three consonant clusters.
@HojoOSanagi
@HojoOSanagi 8 жыл бұрын
The Ancient Greek "φωνή" is pronounced as pʰɔːne in Ancient Greek, not like the modern English phone. I'm sorry, but that just made me cringe. I can deal with the aspirated consonants in τακτικός, but not that horrendous pronunciation when the word shouldn't be difficult at all for an English speaker to pronounce, except for the tone on the η. I don't expect anyone to do tones without knowing a tonal language.
@cosmopoiesecriandomundos7446
@cosmopoiesecriandomundos7446 5 жыл бұрын
And now, it's/foni/, right?
@ornessarhithfaeron3576
@ornessarhithfaeron3576 4 жыл бұрын
@@cosmopoiesecriandomundos7446 correct!
@Hans-jc1ju
@Hans-jc1ju 8 жыл бұрын
Great Videos, good Design but two bits of advice: A) Avoid using Arial, use Helevetica or even Avenir instead B) DO NOT. AT ALL. EVER. USE. COMIC SANS (Please)
@OrangeC7
@OrangeC7 8 жыл бұрын
COMIC SANS IS AMAZING AND don't you dare say that comic sans is... *whispers* bad... you'll get dunked on if you say it. : )
@melody_florum
@melody_florum 8 жыл бұрын
+OrangeCreeper217 no, comic sans makes me think it was written by a 3 year old, lel
@OrangeC7
@OrangeC7 8 жыл бұрын
+Hexbugman213 It was written like that because Microsoft was making a program that the font looked good in. Besides, people hate comic sans because other people use it incorrectly. Otherwise, it's a perfectly good font
@OrangeC7
@OrangeC7 8 жыл бұрын
+Hexbugman213 Oh, and your hypothetical three year old is very smart for their age.
@OrangeC7
@OrangeC7 8 жыл бұрын
But yeah _I_ like *comic sans* because of the way it looks, _Other people_ hate it because of the way _people_ use *comic sans*.
@BENP781
@BENP781 10 ай бұрын
This video helped me a lot! I am currently working on a conlang for my book, and I decided to make it CCCCVVCCCC, except all the letters have paranthesis
@lunin.
@lunin. Жыл бұрын
very helpful video!
@GigaBoost
@GigaBoost 8 жыл бұрын
Xidnaf is clearly pronounced ecks-id-naff
@eruno_
@eruno_ 8 жыл бұрын
*zid naff
@Artifexian
@Artifexian 8 жыл бұрын
+GigaBoost •Bob :P
@CS_____
@CS_____ 8 жыл бұрын
He held a poll, people said z-id-naff
@haeilsey
@haeilsey 8 жыл бұрын
+conor skeffington well i can still say qhidnaf all i want!
@CS_____
@CS_____ 8 жыл бұрын
TransHailey I say that too because it was that originally, but it was never (I think) ksidnaf.
@sillopify
@sillopify 8 жыл бұрын
I'm vegan.
@fierypickles4450
@fierypickles4450 5 жыл бұрын
*IQ insufficient* *error: complexity levels dangerously high*
@adamgreenhaus4691
@adamgreenhaus4691 4 жыл бұрын
Artifexian and the Bamboozled Space Linguists is a great band name.
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