Photo Critique - STOP asking for Constructive Criticism and STOP being so quick to give bad feedback

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7 жыл бұрын

For years, I have watched photographers posting photos online with the caption “CC Welcome” For those of you that may have missed it - CC stands for Constructive Criticism. When it comes to photo critiques the irony is that when the criticism is posted one of two things happens… Either the photographer strikes back and defends his or her choices or the comments mandatorily state that such and such is wrong and should be changed - because its a rule.
It is impossible to gather good information that will help you improve your photography that way. The fact of the matter is MOST people don’t know how to give good constructive criticism. Full disclosure - I read an article this week on F-Stoppers.com about this very subject. Now I want to be clear, I am a big fan of F-Stoppers and the author of the article. I have included a link to it in the description below, because I think that it is well written and makes some excellent suggestions - BUT by the authors own admission - it is written from the perspective how to give constructive criticism - not how to ask for it.
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@pomme2003 7 жыл бұрын

"the only right or wrong is physics" great line

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks simon tompsett and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!

@ajaxrodriguez8956 6 жыл бұрын

So glad this video popped up randomly on my feed! This is a gem!

@MurphysLawww 7 жыл бұрын

Just happened upon one of your portraiture videos a couple of minutes ago and I must say that it was an instant sub from me! You have a clear, no nonsense approach to your videos which I enjoy. I look forward to more of your content :)

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matthew Keil and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!

@goodshotsproductions 7 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your enthusiasm. You have that drive to connect with your audience. That alone is inspiring and the main reason for me to watch your video's, regardless of the subject. Thanks!

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words Paul T ! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!

@MandyWeaverPhotography 7 жыл бұрын

I thoroughly enjoy your FB group and the CC I'm getting from there. It's inspiring hearing what others hear and how their eye reads the photograph. I'm grateful for the group and what I'm absorbing from you and others.

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mandy Weaver and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!

@macbattle7833 7 жыл бұрын

It seems that you have the makings of a wonderful community that sincerely wants to learn and grow as photographers. I've taken your advice to "lurk" for a while, just to see how things are done before posting any pictures. Thank you for taking the time and effort to produce this. Your boundless energy is infectious, informative and inspiring!

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mac Battle and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!

@josh885 7 жыл бұрын

Great video. I've always said constructive criticism should leave a person excited to go back and try again, keep shooting, and grow as a photographer, not discouraged and feeling like they should give up. There's an art to it and if you're not good at it you just shouldn't do it.

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words josh885 ! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!

@Grant_Seymour_ 7 жыл бұрын

As always, Joe, I find your content valuable and informative. I agree that the facebook group is off to a strong start, and I hope to see it continue to grow. On the topic of constructive critisism, I want to kindly suggest a toning down of transitional effects: spinning screens and odd sound effects help distinguish the points of your ideas and the "cut," but they quickly become tired and border on obnoxious. Less is more, I feel. That said, the peel - away cut was something new and very cool--hats off to your hard work!

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

LOL - thanks Grant Seymour! Appreciate the comments.

@cjvpjackson9350 7 жыл бұрын

I love your channel and your work (thanks for admitting me to the FB Group), It's amazing! Your a true teacher and I wish I had your class a few semesters ago. At times my Photography Professor made us feel like crap on judging our submissions in open class review. He wasn't constructive or nurturing to us in that Intro to photography class. If it wasn't for my inner self esteem I would have left photography alone all together. Some students dropped the class. Meeting teachers such as yourself and Phlearn let me know that their are people that are passionate about not only Photography but also People Learning... THANK YOU!!! P.S. On another note is it me or do this Video keep going in and out of focus (observe the eyes).

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Glad you didn't give up Conway Jackson!

@gregoryjustgregory6202 6 жыл бұрын

Great video! I was guilty of seeking CC myself on a photo sharing site and the sad thing was that the most I got was a "like" but never any feed back good or negative, just "likes" looks like I came to the right place.

@gregorypease213 6 жыл бұрын

Well presented and spot on. Looking forward to watching through more of your channel. I like the combination of directness, practical tips and humour. Well done.

@theJoeEdelman 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Gregory Pease! I appreciate the kind words and support!

@abe.m.essack5719 7 жыл бұрын

I like your straight talk no nonsense approach, it's the only way to move forward in the photographic arts, there are so many variables in creating images! Your enthusiasm passion and commitment to the art of photography is extraordinary. You are no doubt the best teacher and mentor to follow, thank you Joe for your advice, as always another well thought out video tutorial.😎👍

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words Abe .M. Essack !

@tw9535 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for your experienced and carefully thought out advice, as always. The part about explaining what was pre-visualized so that it can be compared to the final image is really important. That makes it less subjective and more "I was trying to accomplish X... did I get it?" Of course, if you are asking for CC on a picture that wasn't even pre-visualized or purposeful in the first place.... then I am not sure what that is. I love your use of audible sound cues between points, that is really helpful and welcome. Although, that PARTICULAR sound will take some getting used to. :-)

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting Wilson Newman!

@toprockphotography8669 6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely fantastic! This should be said on every pic-sharing platform.

@theJoeEdelman 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Top Rock Photography! I appreciate the kind words and support!

@vic_the_roman 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads up on this video. Good info here and you are convincing me. I once was critiqued by Joe McNally and I told my self that if my images ended up not being liked, I would walk away from photography ( foolish of me I know) he ended up liking the final image in the set. He asked questions and gave out pointers for ( distracting things in an image such as hotspots ). Zack Arias critiqued one of my images and he was brutal , left me wanting to curl up into a little ball and cry. Lol. Both were great experiences but not a life changing ones. I can see your point now. Thanks Joe.. :-)

@LYSYSTUDIOS 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joe, excellent video as usual!

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it LYSYSTUDIOS! I appreciate the comment!

@LarryOnKeys 7 жыл бұрын

Going to join now! I've been watching your videos for a few days now and I'm a fanand neighbor in Amish Country, PA (Lancaster)

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words ltricks ! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!

@InTheMetroGCRoX 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the add Mr. Edelman. I have been very frustrated in the past with groups saying "CC Welcome..." without any explanation about the intent of the piece. I am looking forward to learning from you and hopefully imparting some knowledge to the group. Thank you for your efforts!

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome Chuck Hill! Thank you so much for the kind words!

@trevr10 7 жыл бұрын

Very good information Joe. Honesty with politeness :-)

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you Trevor Rowell! I really appreciate the kind words!

@ajnabalajnabi 5 жыл бұрын

Great video and really fun to watch, subscribing!

@theJoeEdelman 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrea z Psychologie chuti and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!

@magalloninstruments 7 жыл бұрын

Once again, excellent information and tips. Sharing to our FB photo group to better educate our newbs. Thank you for the video!

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words Magallon ! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!

@magalloninstruments 7 жыл бұрын

Joe Edelman already a long time subscriber, thx

@Wuuser 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Joe. Nicely done, good message :)

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it MorroW! I appreciate the comment!

@andrieskooijman3642 7 жыл бұрын

Great video and gives some food for thoughts. Helps me giving better feedback and asking for it. Thanks for the tips 😃

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words Andries Kooijman ! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!

@grndezyns 7 жыл бұрын

As usual, spot-on! Thank you.

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter Gargiulo and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!

@rezones 7 жыл бұрын

i agree 100% with what peter said :) thanks for all the knowledge and inspiration sir!

@kirksturgulewski714 7 жыл бұрын

Good Video Joe and your right.

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it Kirk Sturgulewski! I appreciate the comment!

@SteinTriker 7 жыл бұрын

Had to watch this like ten times until it convinced me to simply shut up. Thanks for that. As said, while you speak, you don't listen :)

@limestarinc 7 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with plain criticism. I welcome positive, outright mean comments and everything in between. I grow from it. Learned it from the music business. Be critical of yourself. Great info.

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Limestar and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!

@andinbriwel1092 7 жыл бұрын

The facebook group is awesome! I don't join many groups at all, but Joe's is one I check regularly.

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your kind words and comments Andin Briwel!

@philindeblanc 7 жыл бұрын

what is this guy, a superhero!!!?? Wam,bam great video!

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it Phil Indeblanc! I appreciate the comment!

@ZarliWin 7 жыл бұрын

Well said Joe. It's funny, there's a photographer i know on island that i consider to be of incredible talent and experience and he loves to share his knowledge too. His name is also Joe. Maybe there's something in the name?

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

I may be a little partial Zarli Win - but I would have to agree! :-)

@LukeKroeker 7 жыл бұрын

Well said! :)

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting Luke Kroeker!

@Argyll9846 7 жыл бұрын

Good tips and advice, but unfortunately there are some photographers who think their work is so good it's beyond criticism. I had a run in with a moderator/owner of a Facebook group last year when I offered IMHO comments on how she could improve her photography the upshot of which was that she banned my access to the group. At no time did I say her photographs sucked or were in any way bad and the criticism I offered was mostly on post editing as a way of improving colour, removing unwanted objects etc. One thing was very clear from reading the groups postings was that for her, posting photographs was a way to have her ego stroked as she always responded to praise and never to criticism. I now don't bother giving feedback on posted images on any site as I've found they are generally not really welcome even though they may be asked for.

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience Nicholas Fox, but not participating isn't the answer either. Everyone who starts a group has a motive. So do I. My motive is to build community around my channel - I make no secret of that, but like my channel, I am dedicated to sharing knowledge and as you heard in this video - trying to teach people how to share AND receive in a better way.

@Argyll9846 7 жыл бұрын

I agree. I guess part of the problem is that many, perhaps the majority, of photographers out there are not honest/judgemental enough with themselves when it comes to evaluating and culling their images to get rid of the dross. My landscape culling revolves around poor exposure and bad composition both of which are easily recognizable and I don't need somebody to tell me when I've screwed up because I can see it for myself. I really enjoy your channel because you're enthusiastic and not afraid to impart you knowledge. I'm not, however, really a fan of the curtain pull aside midway through videos as I personally find it a bit annoying though others probably don't - just a personal opinion.

@gustavocampos1969 7 жыл бұрын

Not being polite here, ok? Great video, Joe! Thanks once more. Ah, would you mind telling me which effect was that one with the curtain? It was very good and I'd like to use it in one of my little daughter's video in the future (if you don't mind)?

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it gustavo campos! I appreciate the comment! It is a real simple green scree effect. In real life its a green screen curtain.

@gustavocampos1969 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Joe , for you answer. Man, well done... NOW that you mention, I can "see" it. Nice work with the decontamination on your hand/arm.

@glassavenue2697 7 жыл бұрын

YES SO MUCH YES!!!!

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Glass Avenue and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!

@tubeofpaste915 7 жыл бұрын

Interesting video ;) even though I'm a completely new and only had camera for a month

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ri K and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!

@TheFrogmanTV 7 жыл бұрын

Do you have any tips for scouting neat locations for photographs? I'm not finding typical google searches very helpful.

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

I do it old school TheFrogmanTV - I get in the car and drive around. Try joining local photography groups on Facebook or even a local Meetup group - those are usually great opportunities to get the lowdown on cool places to shoot. THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!

@dragancete 7 жыл бұрын

I'm going to take a look at this Facebook group, sounds good. By the way, is there any reason why you always, at the end of the videos, say goodbye in spanish? I have curiosity.

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Awesome Francisco Javier Periñán - I will look forward to seeing you there. As for adios - it's just a habit that I started and it stuck. Wish I had a better story! :-)

@TimberGeek 4 жыл бұрын

I usually get my gear bashed

@pmcmanigal 7 жыл бұрын

You referenced a FB page that sounded interesting, but.... you didn't mention the name?

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

It was linked in the description Patrick McManigal ! Here is the direct link: facebook.com/groups/ispphotographers/ Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!

@vuperin 7 жыл бұрын

Can I read te complete text anywhere? Me is more convenient read, because understanding the fluent English is little bit heavy ...

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Stay tuned Tamás Tinusz - I will be adding the text of the videos to my blog as articles. This will happen in the next few weeks. www.joeedelman.com/blog THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!

@vuperin 7 жыл бұрын

thank you Joe!

@darrelljohnson7052 6 жыл бұрын

--- "You tell them ---- Joe!!!"

@theJoeEdelman 6 жыл бұрын

LOL - I try Darrell Johnson! Thanks for the support!

@dunnymonster 7 жыл бұрын

This video sucks!! 😃😁Just kidding, actually excellent advise as always, a balanced approach is always the best way to receive and give constructive criticism. It does require time and effort but I'd rather have one peice of excellent advise that helps than 10,000 pointless anonymous " likes " just to feel popular lol 😃

@theJoeEdelman 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting dunnymonster!