Phrygian - A Partially Attested Indo-European Language

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Learn Hittite

Learn Hittite

6 ай бұрын

🔍 Curious about the Phrygian language, a partially attested Indo-European language? Look no further than today's Learn Hittite video! 🎓
Following the collapse of the Hittite empire, documented in the archaeological record at places like their administrative capital Ḫattuša, who came next? By the Iron Age, the Anatolian-speaking Indo-Europeans had given way to a different group - the Phrygians, whose influence in Anatolia lasted over 800 years until the Hellenistic period.
Unlike some lesser-attested Indo-European languages like Illyrian or Elymian, we have a functional understanding of Phrygian and can, with limited confidence and a lot of discussion, translate (most) texts. 📚 We still have unanswered questions regarding the sonic value of certain characters in the Old Phrygian alphabet, we have gaps in our knowledge concerning the case + verb system and debate is also ongoing regarding where to place Phrygian on the Indo-European tree. Some scholars see it as closer to Greek, while others lean towards Armenian. 🌳 The situation is complicated by the fact that there appears to have been 'intense' contact between Greek and Armenian, with some researchers considering Greek and Armenian to form their own branch from the Proto-Indo-European family of languages. In short, the exact position of Phrygian is still very much open to discussion. 🤔 It's also worthwhile to mention that unfortunately, many new Phrygian inscriptions have been lost, meaning we are reliant on the work of early copyists. 🏛️
Join me in this video for a brief introduction to the Phrygians, their language, and alphabet. We'll cover the absolute basics of Phrygian grammar before casting our eyes onto two fascinating Phrygian inscriptions.
I hope you enjoy this video and find it informative! 📽️
Next up, we'll be exploring Hurrian and then Thracian! 🗺️
#PhrygianLanguage #LearnHittite #IndoEuropeanLanguages #Archaeology #LanguageHistory #protoindoeuropean #Phrygian #gordion
Selected Reading List
1. Barnett, R. D. (1975). Phrygia and the Peoples of Anatolia in the Iron Age. In Cambridge Ancient History, Volume 2.2. New York.
⭐️2. Berndt-Ersöz, S. (01 Nov. 2006). Phrygian Rock-Cut Shrines. Leiden, The Netherlands: Brill. doi.org/10.1163/9789047410225
3. DeVries, K., Kromer, B., Kuniholm, P. I., Liebhart, R. F., Manning, S. W., Newton, M. W., Sams, G. K., & Voigt, M. M. (2011). The New Chronology of Iron Age Gordion (C. B. Rose & G. Darbyshire, Eds.). University of Pennsylvania Press. www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt3fhpv4
4. Hämmig, A. E. (2017, October 2-5). What if Phrygian were the closest attested cognate of Armenian? Paper presented at the XI International Conference on Armenian Linguistics dedicated to John A. C. Greppin (1937-2016), Russian Academy of Sciences, Institute of Linguistics.
5. Kim, R. (2018). Greco-Armenian: The persistence of a myth. Indogermanische Forschungen, 123(1), 247-272. doi.org/10.1515/if-2018-0009
⭐️6. Ligorio, O. & Lubotsky, A. (2018). 101. Phrygian. In J. Klein, B. Joseph & M. Fritz (Ed.), Volume 3 Handbook of Comparative and Historical Indo-European Linguistics (pp. 1816-1831). Berlin, Boston: De Gruyter Mouton. doi.org/10.1515/9783110542431...
7. Obrador-Cursach, B. (2019). On the place of Phrygian among the Indo-European languages. Journal of Language Relationship, 17(3-4), 233-245. doi.org/10.31826/jlr-2019-173...
⭐️8. Obrador-Cursach, B. (10 Jan. 2022). The Phrygian Language. Leiden, The Netherlands: Brill. doi.org/10.1163/9789004419995
9. Oreshko, R. (2022). The Rare Letters of the Phrygian Alphabet Revisited. In Writing Around the Ancient Mediterranean: Practices and Adaptations. Oxbow Books.
10. Šorgo, A. (2021, September 18). The Origin and the Development of Phrygian si-formations. Presented at the International Workshop on Phrygian, Barcelona.
11. Woodhouse, R. (2009). An Overview of Research on Phrygian from the Nineteenth Century to the Present Day. Studia Linguistica Universitatis Iagellonicae Cracoviensis, 126.

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@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze
@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze 6 ай бұрын
I remember a lecture of my Latin teacher in the early eighties. This is how I recall it. An ancient king wondered what was the oldest language in the world. He had an infant put in a barn with sheep. Noone was to have verbal contact with the child. After some years the child was heard uttering the word "bekos", Phrygian for bread, so Phrygian had to be the oldest language.
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 6 ай бұрын
Yep, that's in Herodotus. I love that story... a nice little scientific experiment in an age when researchers didn't have to worry about ethics committees and approvals 😂
@qetoun
@qetoun 2 ай бұрын
bummer for the kid though.
@ignisfatuus07
@ignisfatuus07 5 ай бұрын
I'm Greek, and from my language point of view, βεκος looks like nominative, accusative would be βεκον maybe, so I understand that the final phrase could be "bread not be given to him". Great video, κυδος!
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting to have the perspective of a Greek speaker! Thanks for the positive feedback
@ignisfatuus07
@ignisfatuus07 5 ай бұрын
Well, seeing it again, my first comment applies to masculine nouns (eg. Nom. ο βεκος - Acc. τον βεκον). If it's neutral (το βεκος), accusative form is the same as nominative, so βεκος in this case is in the accusative! By the way, the endings are strikingly similar to Greek (dative in -i, -μενος = passive past participle etc,)
@nebitno5054
@nebitno5054 4 ай бұрын
​@@ignisfatuus07Yo greek can u provide me last text in Latin transliteration?
@ignisfatuus07
@ignisfatuus07 4 ай бұрын
@@nebitno5054 Well, seeing it again, my first comment applies to masculine nouns (eg. Nom. 'o bekos' - Acc. 'ton bekon'). If it's neutral (to bekos), accusative form is the same as nominative, so 'bekos' in this case is in the accusative! By the way, the endings are strikingly similar to Greek (dative in -i, -menos = passive past participle etc,)
@nebitno5054
@nebitno5054 4 ай бұрын
@@ignisfatuus07 but can u last text write me on Latin alphabet cause I don t read greek just letter by later transliteration 😔 whole of last text in video
@GrecoByzantine1821
@GrecoByzantine1821 Ай бұрын
Phrygians were a cousin nation of the Greeks! 🇬🇷 Their language belonged to the Graeco-Phrygian language family and most Phrygian and Greek words were mutually intelligible! However, between the 19th and the first half of the 20th century Phrygian was mostly considered a satəm language, and thus closer to Armenian and Thracian, while today it is commonly considered to be a centum language and thus closer to Greek.[20] CITATION [20] Obrador-Cursach, Bartomeu (2018). Lexicon of the Phrygian Inscriptions Phrygians spoke the Phrygian language, a member of the Indo-European linguistic family. Modern consensus regards Greek as its closest relative.[10][11] CITATION [10] Woodhouse, Robert (2009). "An overview of research on Phrygian from the nineteenth century to the present day". Studia Linguistica Universitatis Iagellonicae Cracoviensis. "This question is of course only just separable from the question of which languages within Indo-European are most closely related to Phrygian, which has also been hotly debated. A turning point in this debate was Kortlandt's (1988) demonstration on the basis of shared sound changes that Thraco-Armenian had separated from Phrygian and other originally Balkan languages at an early stage. The consensus has now returned to regarding Greek as the closest relative." CITATION [11] Brixhe, Claude (2008). Woodard, Roger D. (ed.). The Ancient Languages of Asia Minor. Cambridge University Press. p. 72. ISBN 978-0-521-68496-5. "Unquestionably, however, Phrygian is most closely linked with Greek."
@koordrozita7236
@koordrozita7236 6 ай бұрын
Kurdish - Frigian Da: Deiti (give) Ew: Oi (She/He) Ne/Na: Ne (Not) Kû/Kê: Ke (conjunction “because”)
@theunholyburger9338
@theunholyburger9338 3 ай бұрын
They're both indo european
@prywatne4733
@prywatne4733 2 ай бұрын
obviously, you can do this with any Indo-European language. for example Kurdish - Polish Da: Dać Ew: On Ne: Nie
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz Ай бұрын
They're both Indoeuropean languages, that's for sure. However Kurdish belongs to the Indo-Iranian branch and Greco-Phrygio-Armenian is rather (distantly but very likely) related to Western Indoeuropean instead. Incidentally Greek has a weird yes/not vocabulary, where, unlike in all other Indoeuropean languages, "ne" means "yes" ("okhi" means "not"), this I suspect Vasconic substrate influence (bai/ez in Basque).
@AthanasiosJapan
@AthanasiosJapan 5 ай бұрын
Interesting to see the word for "and" is ke, which sounds exactly like Greek και. In modern Greek we use the word ανάκτορα, meaning palace. Good presentation!
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 5 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it and great observation!
@olbiomoiros
@olbiomoiros 2 ай бұрын
Don’t forget the Greek μη meaning not (pronounced mē in a correct classic pronunciation). Also the word ἀνακτόρον derives from ἄναξ meaning king (which is unfortunately no longer used in medieval or modern Greek). It originated from the Mycenaean Ϝαναξ (wanax)
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz Ай бұрын
That's a very interesting observation. In ancient Iberian the word for "and" was also "ke" (probably "ka" in proto-Basque) and we also have the weird -que form in Latin for the same grammatical purpose (one of three possibilities for "and", the most common being "et" however). I do wonder if this might be Vasconic substrate, also present in other stuff.
@Yekemcar
@Yekemcar 4 ай бұрын
0:48 ... and very close word to "Briges" in Kurdish is "Ber" which means stone, mountain. And from that root we have word "Berg" which means tower.
@adrianwhyatt594
@adrianwhyatt594 2 ай бұрын
Berg means mountain in Swedish
@atrydetalisgard4467
@atrydetalisgard4467 2 ай бұрын
​@@adrianwhyatt594in old greenlandic norse is bjarg
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz Ай бұрын
A much more similar word is Celtic brig = bridge (probably), a very characteristic Celtic element in town names and such and also in some tribal names like Brigantes. However it must be said that it is Bryges and relatedly Prhyges, with "y" and this choice of letter is not accidental and systematically represents an older /u/ sound, for example: Assur > Assyria > Syria, Lukka > Lycia, Luwian > ... > Lydian, etc. Thus it's likely that in these cases also it was originally *Bruges and *Phruges, although unattested. This strongly suggests some other etymology.
@853dlg
@853dlg 6 ай бұрын
14:39 in modern Albanian bread is "bukë" probably derived from the same root as bekos
@gordbolton27
@gordbolton27 6 ай бұрын
I wonder if the bake their buke in an oven?
@raulpetrascu2696
@raulpetrascu2696 Ай бұрын
That's from Latin bucca meaning mouthful. But the original root probably
@vanmars5718
@vanmars5718 Ай бұрын
In my opinion considering that Phrygians might have migrated in the very past from the area of the southern Balkans, they obviously have a more common language to the Greek....as once part of the myriad of thr similar dialects existing there and later formed the language of thr greeks, thracians etc... When moving to Anatolia they must have taken local loanwords from the other people of Anatolia.
@jakr9303
@jakr9303 6 ай бұрын
Excellent and informative, as usual.
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 6 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@kutluakalin5129
@kutluakalin5129 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. This was excellent.
@Pherron
@Pherron 6 ай бұрын
Informative and interesting once again!
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 6 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@rocktapperrobin9372
@rocktapperrobin9372 5 ай бұрын
interesting and informative, I like the references. Just found your channel, subscribed
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for your support!
@gordbolton27
@gordbolton27 6 ай бұрын
PH later became B as in Bridgette or F as in Friga or Freeda. Bri as in Brian or Ryan means strong leader in the Celtic world. Gor or ghor means mountain or highlander often associated with K(H)urders who would take the sheep up the mountain in the summer. I have a very Celtic name that means Highlander Baalfire. The Baal-fire was lit on May day to celebrate the summer season. The Armenian word for cherry is բալ , pronounced bal is IMHO the origin of the weather God Baal. Cherries were not only a culinary delight but an important source of Vitamin C for folks in Anatolia. The cherry crop is very finicky requiring a length of chill in the winter to set the bloom & then of course favorable conditions for the bloom & growth of fruit. It was no doubt a mystery why some years provided a bounty & others a dearth of sweet cherries so a wee bit of prayer was in order. You may find some echoes of this celebration in Iran. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltane
@jeremias-serus
@jeremias-serus 6 ай бұрын
Baal as spelled in English isn't PIE, it's from the Semitic side of the world. English gets it via Christianity from Hebrew's Ba3al, the 3 = /ʕ/, and it meant owner in 900 BC Hebrew.
@tiagorodrigues3730
@tiagorodrigues3730 6 ай бұрын
Once again a very interesting video! I guess the existence of Phrygian is what causes some scholars to join Greek and Armenian into an Indo-European subbranch. It's unfortunate that we need such a huge amount of inscriptions in order to get a more or less complete view of a language, particularly if that language is grammatically complex like the IE daughter languages. On an unrelated note, is there any mention of how those subscript dots on certain letters in the NP inscription probably modify the underlying sounds? Or are they some artefact of the scholarly notation in which they were recorded?
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the positive feedback! My personal intuition is that the Paleo-Balkanic branch is probably accurate - so Greek, Phrygian, Illyrian and Albanian were all on one branch - Hyllested and Joseph wrote a bit about it in "The Indo-European Language Family" (Cambridge, 2022), if you want to check that out. Dots under letters usually represent uncertain signs - either they are damaged, weathered or can't be read accurately from a copy.
@i.5448
@i.5448 9 күн бұрын
I want to learn this unique language due to my interest in Phyrygia but i cant find any useful resource, it breaks my heart. If you know a way to learn it, still do share it with me :(
@cskouteris
@cskouteris 11 күн бұрын
Phrygian is a sister language to Greek. They share a lot of lexicon and grammar.Declensions and conjugations are strikingly similar to ancient Greek. Examples Phrygian Agkyra anchor Greek Agkyra anchor (modern day Ankara in Turkey) Phrygian aglawoy shining Greek aglaos shining Phrygian agorani buy Greek agora market agorazo buy Phrygian agtaei leader Phrygian arg rule Greek arkho rule Greek arkhon leader Greek egetes leader Phrygian autos he avton him Greek autos he auton him Phrygian dadon I gave Greek edosa I gave, dedoka I have given Phrygian ios who Greek os who Phrygian kun dog Greek kyon dog Phrygian eti and Greek eti more Phrygian kiklen wheel Greek Kyklos cycle,round Phrygian thri three Greek tria three Phrygian gdan earth Greek gaia earth Phrygian gegreimeno written Ancient Greek gegrammeno written Modern Greek grammeno written Phrygian germe warm Greek therme warm, hot baths Phrygian knaika woman Greek gynaika woman jin jineka in Kurdish zenata in Bulgarian Phrygian dekmoutais tenth Greek dekatos tenth Phrygian deos god Greek theos god Phrygian dike justice Greek dike trial,justice Greek dikeos just Phrygian aulos flute Greek aulos flute Phrygian eilikrine pure Greek eilikrinis pure frank Phrygian ekey or ekei there Greek ekei there Phrygian elegos poem of lament Greek elegos poem of lament Phrygian sira hand Greek cheira hand Phrygian zos live Ancient Greek zein live Modern Greek zo live (persian zinda) Phrygian thalameide chamber Greek thalamos chamber Phrygian innou are Greek ine are Phrygian kakon bad evil Greek kakon bad evil Phrygian karpus fruit ,outcome Greek Karpos fruit,outcome Phrygian ke and Greek ke and Phrygian kenos generation Greek genos generation Phrygian lafagt leader of people Greek lafagetis leader of people Phrygian latomeion quarry Greek latomeion quarry Phrygian mago magician Greek magos magician (from persian magush) Phrygian Mazeus Zeus Greek Zeus pater Jupiter (Sky father) Phrygian maimarean marble Greek marmaron marble Phrygian makran long Greek makros long Phrygian matar mother Greek meter mother Phrygian meyon less Greek meion less Phrygian mekas big Greek megas big Phrygian beret carry Greek phero carry Phrygian adrotos powerful Greek atrotos powerful Phrygian ksenones men;s rooms Greek xenones guests rooms Phrygian kseun host stranger Greek xenos host,stranger Phrygian oinis wine Greek oinos wine Phrygian onoman name Greek onoma name Phrygian onomaniais mentioned Greek onomastheis mentioned Phrygian otuwoi eight Greek octo eight Phrygian wanaktan lord king Greek anax lord ,king , anaktoron palace Phrygian panta all Greek panta all Phrygian pantakenanou everything is empty Greek pantakenon everything is empty Phrygian pateres fathers Greek pateres fathers Phrygian pater father Greek pater father Phrygian patrizi to the fathers Greek patroisi to the fathers Phrygian penthero father in law Greek pentheros father in law Phrygian pinke five Greek pente five Phrygian podas feet Ancien Greek podes feet Modern greek podia feet Phrygian Saggarios name of a river in Asia minor Greek Saggarios name of modern day Sakkarya river Phrygian skeledrias skeleton Greek skeletos skeleton Phrygian soro corpse Greek soros corpse tomb coffin Phrygian spereta seed Greek sporos seed Phrygian tapes carpet Greek tapes carpet Phrygian udor water Greek ydor water Phrygian uke nor Greek ute nor Phrygian upsos height upsodan on top Greek ypsos height Phrygian Kreistianoi Christians Greek Khristianoi Christians Phrigian wana king Greek anax king Phrygian wetej year Greek etos year Modern consensus regards Greek as the closest relative of Phrygian, a position that is supported by Brixhe, Neumann, Matzinger, Woodhouse, Ligorio, Lubotsky, and Obrador-Cursach. Furthermore, 34 out of the 36 Phrygian isoglosses that are recorded are shared with Greek, with 22 being exclusive between them. The last 50 years of Phrygian scholarship developed a hypothesis that proposes a proto-Graeco-Phrygian stage out of which Greek and Phrygian originated, and if Phrygian was more sufficiently attested, that stage could perhaps be reconstructed For more information and bibliography on the Phrygian language and the Phrygians visit the sites: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_language en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygians
@aleksandarnikolic2743
@aleksandarnikolic2743 6 ай бұрын
👍👍
@mikikro3126
@mikikro3126 6 ай бұрын
And I thought Cultist Simulator made it up...
@deargodwhy9718
@deargodwhy9718 18 күн бұрын
Ayyyy, I found another one. Phrygian is the only advanced language that isn't made up. Deep Mandaic and Fucine are however made up (there IS a Mandaic language, but not Deep Mandaic)
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz Ай бұрын
In my understanding, not at all based on linguistics but rather on archaeology, both the Greek and Phrygio-Armenian branches derive from Vucedol culture (Middle Danube and Dinaric area, late Chalcolithic and into earliest Bronze), this culture we know now (largely from archaeogenetic data) that was a spinoff of the more important West Indoeuropean culture of Corded Ware (north and west of Vucedol area, slightly older and surely ancestral to Balto-Slavic, Celto-Italic and Germanic). In my opinion the proto-Greeks derive form the (coastal Montenegro) Mala Gruda facies and reached Greece (south and center primarily) by sea, not by land, being the first seagoing Indoeuropeans ever (what explains much about ancient Greeks, even in the Bronze Age already, being so "Viking-like"), while the Phrygio-Armenians (which probably are also ancestral to ancient Macedonians, allegedly related to the West Balcanic Bryges) surely arrived by land only in the late Bronze Age. This, plus differential substrate influences, surely explains why Greek and Armenian quite consistently appear as distant relatives in most Indoeuropean phylogenies.
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