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literally, I often think about practice as fueling sleep for this very reason

Totally!!!

I read somewhere that when u pause after practice, your brain keeps playing it, but in a very fast motion, multiple time

applies to almost everything we do in life. its magical really. thats why good sleep and a healthy lifestyle would have you at peak performance

​@@adrien1802 yes!

this!! my piano teacher always tells me that if i go back and correct my mistake during a performance, the more pronounce that mistake is to the audience. the best thing to do is move forward and the audience will just forget that it ever happened

This issue is also solved (or at least lessened) by the practice routine showed in this video. If you practice this way, you develop a mastery of the music piece that makes you being always perfectly aware of what you are doing while playing. So making a mistake doesn’t put you as easily off-track anymore, and you can go on with far more confidence.

good one

Yeah man, when preparing my students for performance I teach them to play through mistakes/how not to get derailed by them. It's important as well, but the main mode of operation is fixing mistakes for the reasons stated in the vid.

it.* Indeed.

Because 9 to 1 isn’t enough to iron out that wrinkle in your playing. Your results may have to average out to be 109 to 1 or even 909 to 1 in order to cement the proper execution.

God has to have a laugh now and again.

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Fix every mistake immediately: if you made 1 mistake and then 9 perfect attempts -- you good, if you had 9 perfect and then wrong -- now you need to fix it

My classical guitar Teacher used to say "practice perfectly"

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I concur, teacher told me same for homework and brushing my teeth.

no my biggest problem is to continue. I can sit down like 10times a day in front of the piano, and play the piece, and then after a while, i notice, i got other things to do. But then instead of doong them, i watch youtube, and the cycle begins again

yeah, I say ok I'll just go do a few bars of one piece. That's all I have to do. But it always turns into a full work session. :) Strange thing procrastinating is. like you think of it as some monumental task. but it ain't.

Okay now did you learn math with metronome on?

@@KidnapT yeah op strat you just speed it up as you learn more equations

Only for motor skills! Good luck trying to learn a language by stopping to fix every mistake you make.

@@smittyguitarplyr stop yelling at me!!!!

your feelings are irrational

Yeah man, applicable to just about any movement/memory based skill probably, especially movement though

Do you mean your jax or you 'jaw' :)

Thanks man! I like to think I have a lot to offer many different types of students, very kind of you :)

Best comment here😂

I used to play piano for 8 years and hated it, now after 3 years of no practice I forgot everything and wish I never quit, so I’ve trying to get back into it

Good luck Tim!

subscribed! looking forward to your documentation.

Thanks @@joshuaadelaja9996! Actually this would be my new channel: www.youtube.com/@retrokeyed 🎹✨

That's honestly a really interesting way of doing it, I might try that sometime! The only gripe I would have with that is that it might make planning out your hand position and fingering more difficult in some cases. I could see someone learning the fingering a certain way and then moving to learn the previous bar and finding that the habit they've created makes learning that last bar a lot harder, when there was a simpler way to play it that allowed the previous bar to flow more smoothly into the new one. However, I'm not classically trained or anything and am mostly self taught, so it's possible people with more concrete training wouldn't struggle that way. How I tend to learn new sections to combat the fatigue problem though is to learn the new bar or phrase a little bit, and then once I have a small grasp on that part, playing a small chunk from the previous bar or phrase right before the one i'm learning and leading it into the new portion i'm practicing. Then when I get more and more confident, I add more and more of the stuff I know, until i've made my way back to the beginning of the piece. That way I can practice the new section the most and am starting with the part I am learning, but also begin slowly incorporating it into the larger piece so I don't lose confidence once I get to the new part. Kind of a mix of learning it forwards and learning it backwards like you do in a way. Who knows if that's the best way, that's just how I like to do it; like you said, all brains are different!

​@@typhlo7291Interesting answer, thank you! I'm in the same team - not classical trained, self taught. I just find it interesting to look at the learning _process_ and try to optimize it. I think it's good to look at which problem you're trying to solve. If it's the fingering, I can imagine that it doesn't really help to do it in reverse, just like you explain. The problem for me is simply: memory. By the time I get to the new part, I just forgot. Talking about fingering and hand position, I just started trying to play blind. Thought this was only for the pro's that spent at least half of their life at their instrument ... but it's not! Due to my level I miss a LOT initially, but building the skill goes actually quite fast. The wider the hands are away from each other, the more it helps. Can't look left and right at the same time anyway, can we? :D

Thanks for your comment, though I do think I disagree, because I see students ignore (ie not fix) mistakes all the time, and their knowledge that it's wrong doesn't stop it from turning into muscle memory, which quickly becomes a bad habit they have to unlearn. This stuff is complicated, I'm not a neuroscientist, but what I've seen tells me that knowing about your mistakes doesn't stop you from learning them.

Don’t tell the expert pianist he’s wrong about an entirely different expertise of psychology 😂. Honestly, as a psychologist, it pisses me off when people misuse psychological terms and pretend they’ve a clue how we learn…

I agree with this especially for sports and physical learning. Music is weird because your brain processes it like learning a language, which is where the engrained failure come in. So because reading music combines both right and left brain processes, it isn't quite the same as memorizing a tennis hit or soccer kick, that slight difference makes your brain takes success and failure feedback much differently.

@@elliotkuehl please google ‘left right brain myth’

Same reason I'm here!

same here!

Same lol

I completely agree that mistake free practice is not the whole story, in fact I think that mistakes are extremely powerful for improving as long as they are handled right, which I cover in the fix mistakes part. Thanks for your comment :)

This seems to be a video about how to correctly learn the notes of a new piece of music in the least amount of time. I don't think he mentioned it was going to be the "whole story" of how humans learn material. Assuming there is no specific technique being practiced, or some type of musical outcome being experimented with, trial and error when learning new notes should be obsessively avoided with the utmost neuroticism, and Mr. Sauce's advice should be followed. Unless I am misunderstanding your point, there is absolutely no room for experimentation when the goal is simply to learn notes as they appear on the sheet music in front of you; the notes are prescribed and immutable, and should be strictly adhered to from Day 1. Mistakes *are* the devil at this very tenuous and sensitive first stage, until the notes are learned with some degree of comfort and confidence. Having a "fetish" for learning the notes correctly is called for. Trial, error, and mistakes are permissible and advisable later in the process. The healthy alternative (and functionally opposite) approach to what is outlined in this video would be sight-reading, where trial and error should also be avoided, but where mistakes and "flow" may be somewhat more embraced. An effective and appropriate level of difficulty when sight-reading should be something along the lines of, "a piece or section of music you can play straight through on your first time, with nearly all the correct notes, and with mostly correct rhythm. A mistake here and there is fine." Then, as you improve, you can add criteria like dynamics, etc. Sight-reading at a slow speed is advised. If you are sight-reading with no mistakes, the material is too easy. If you are making a ton of mistakes, the music is too difficult for sight reading, but may still be an appropriate choice for a challenging piece to learn one section at a time, if you've got the time and passion for it. Tl;dr: there are important and necessary times for trial and error when practicing piano (or learning any skill in life), but not when the goal is to learn the notes of a new piece, which, again, seems to be the sole and intended topic of this video.

true that! aiming for not making mistakes at all, especially during the first few sessions of learning something new, will slow you down considerably. there will be a point where if you don't speed things out, you will never get to the next level.

Thanks dude! Glad it was helpful to you, slow is fast as they say!

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Work out and write down the fingering before hand, then make sure you stick to it, when you get it wrong, stop, go back and do it right. Fingering trips up a lot of students! I have ways of helping you learn it as part of the process of learning a piece so it's sorted early in the process, more to come :)

Glad to hear it tracked with your experience :)

Nice, glad I could be of aid

Thanks for the sub!

your feelings are irrational

Thanks man!

Yeah - there’s a completely different set of practice principles for improv that should not be conflated with practicing written scores

thanks for bringing this up! i think you're kinda sorta barely hardly almost somewhat right. on the other hand if you are someone "who wants to learn improvisation and who is having a hard time with feelings like "what I play isn't right" or "I shouldn't improvise until I practised enough"", you might find some more of this muscle memory stuff to be very useful, liberating, and confidence building. parker's embouchure and grappelli's bow-hold, etc., were muscle memory that allowed them to improv world class. if you're not sure you can completely and utterly freely improv with a million different ways of playing just one specific phrase, maybe you could try it some time, after, or even as, you work that phrase into muscle memory.. modify the phrasing of that phrase, even modify the 'notes'. look at what beethoven's 5th was made of... i think the best compositions are just improvs preserved and then massaged into something, no? every truly creative act stands in the midst of the paradox between structure and freedom. structure begets freedom. i build a rocket and fly me to the moon. i don't buy the idea that the 'music is a language ' thing is an adequate explanation, but nevertheless there are notes, somewhat like letters or words, harmonic relationships, which we could suppose for a moment are like sentences or paragraphs, from which we may build a story. (story being the fundamental of all art be it poetry, a movie, painting, dance, symphony, novel, musical composition or improv. , etc.). coltrane admitted to a bandmate that he was so busy just making the changes when improvising on giant steps that he wasn't really able to tell a story. the bandmate, i think it was paul chambers, said 'man, you makin' the changes IS the story.' but i digress. thanks, tho, if you read all the way to here! cheers!

Nice man sounds good! Keep it up dude, just a little every day, and keep going over what you've done so you don't forget it while you work on the new bits. Good luck with it :)

Thank you for this

bro duolingo music is dogshit like it doesnt teach you anything

Duolingo music is just as crap as Simply Piano

@@MrBrineplays_simply piano is the goat

Playground Sessions encourages good practicing with an easy to access tempo selector.

@@Rinkyuyou must work in their marketing dept 😂

ooh fascinating! Yeah it's a pretty obvious idea I think, the tricky thing is staying in it! It's a small target, and when you practice right it's constantly on the move! My practice sheet is how I deal with this problem, more on that to come. Thanks for your comment, I'll have to have a look at that stuff one day!

@@piano-sauce Staying in that zone is where a skillful teacher or coach comes in. It's awfully hard to even know where it is on my own, let alone keep myself there.

@@HackerHaus Yes that's right it's super complicated! I have to plan it out ahead of time for my own practice. I'm working on something for this, hopefully have something to show in the next few months!

Thanks for your video. I teach these same principals to my students. It's hard for younger students when they go home and don't have teacher next to them to help with mistakes. Also, I'd like to know when your next video will be out where you share your practice sheet that helps students stay in the Goldilocks zone (love the memorable analogy). Thanks for sharing your ideas. @@piano-sauce

anyways that's definitely a sub from me! great tips!

amen, still struggle with that now even though I know better haha