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PID controller Simple explanation with a Quadcopter as example.

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Pratik Phadte

Pratik Phadte

Күн бұрын

This video is about a pid controller with a practical example. You will briefly know what a pid controller is and understand the variation of gains in pid loop.
Please leave any suggestions in comments.
Resources:
For esp32 flight controller and WiFi pid tuning code.
Esp32 GitHub repository: github.com/pra...
References:
Joop Brooking - • YMFC-3D part 5 - Quadc...
Manoj Konar - / @pixstrome8735 , / manoj-konar-159212192

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@priyanshpanchal6604
@priyanshpanchal6604 Ай бұрын
Honestly speaking brother I am studying Aerospace Engineering in one of the best universities in the world rn and even proffs here don't explain half as good as you did.... Massive respect
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you for your kind words, I appreciate it!
@creativeflash1713
@creativeflash1713 Ай бұрын
Such a beautiful explanation to to let everyone understand flying mechanics in physical space
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@satish0918
@satish0918 Ай бұрын
Sir you have explained this very well . Keep it up
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you brother!!
@mattiesplattie
@mattiesplattie Ай бұрын
Best demo I’ve seen, thank you!
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@pranav4533
@pranav4533 19 күн бұрын
😊waiting for next video
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte 19 күн бұрын
Sure! This week!
@johnathonwalty8915
@johnathonwalty8915 Ай бұрын
Thank you for this nice explanation with real world example. Very cool.
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
@PAMarechal
@PAMarechal Ай бұрын
Good Job. You can also use the Ziegler-Nichols method to calculate the coefficients for I and D. It was developed by John G. Ziegler and Nathaniel B. Nichols. The method presented here uses the generation of continuous oscillation in a closed loop.
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Yes sir I agree, I wanted to mention this method. It is being used in the pixhawk flight controllers. Thank you for sharing your input, glad!
@youeladamas7840
@youeladamas7840 Ай бұрын
Very nice lesson you should teach class pid controllers are used in many things aswell. Also wear a glove while doing this testing your a pilot don’t hurt your hands
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Yes they are! You are right safety is top priority!
@rlrentertainmentsinventions
@rlrentertainmentsinventions Ай бұрын
Nice Explanation bro try to increase volume for your new videos
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Yes you’re correct, I noticed it. I’ll keep this in mind for the next videos. Thank you for pointing it out.
@rlrentertainmentsinventions
@rlrentertainmentsinventions Ай бұрын
@@pratikphadte it's ok bro all the best
@Hmingmawia_Ralte
@Hmingmawia_Ralte Ай бұрын
Subscribed, thats awsome bro. We buy flight controller and use some presets; but you build it yourself 😁 you are amazing.
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment, made my day! 💪
@ro-kg5vb
@ro-kg5vb Ай бұрын
I think I should be zero here. The angle is already an integration and the rotation speed of the motors also change slowly, I mean when you have a new controller output, the motor speed is still the same and needs time to change, almost like another integration. So it is not good to add even more I in the controller. You could also try to use 2 control loops. So the inner loop is the pitch RATE controlled by an PID controller that gets the target pitch rate from the outer loop, that is also an PID control loop. The outer loop should have I gain = 0. The first step of tuning is that the inner loop only so the copter can rotate at a rate that you want. If that works, add the outer loop. The horizontal bar is also an issue as others already commented. I'd suggest to use a thread that is connected so it fits the center of gravity. A thread will have almost no friction but limited number of rotations. So I'd keep the horizontal bar until the control works good enough so that the number of rotations is not an issue anymore.
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you for your reply, however I could grasp it not so well, if possible can you share me some resources I can follow, especially the dual loop part. And yes you are right about the rod, i made this video for people to understand and learn about a pid controller and not specifically about the drone. You are right the values will change when I fly the quadcopter independently. I hope my answer makes sense.
@ro-kg5vb
@ro-kg5vb Ай бұрын
@@pratikphadte I'm not sure if I can post a link as yt sometimes blocks the comment, but the term to search is mathworks cascade control loop for example.
@what_on_arth
@what_on_arth 3 күн бұрын
Removing the integral gain for this specific constrained system may work due to a lack of external perturbations, but will not work in-flight. The "I" gain helps mitigate lots of external factors such as mass imbalance, wind gusts etc. A quick check is to see what happens if you put the battery to one side of the frame instead of the center with no integral gain. From experience I can tell you that your vehicle will (in this constrained setup) stabilize at a non-zero roll angle. In-flight this would mean your vehicle will stabilize with a coupled roll-pitch tilt and fly off into the sunset. ;)) Furthermore, two control loops generally make sense when you have time-scale separation, e.g rotational and translational dynamics where rotational dynamics are much quicker than translational. Then you could have one loop for stabilization (rotational dynamics) as you have now which operates at relatively higher sampling rates, and another one for navigation/guidance/waypoints (translational kinematics/dynamics) which operates at lower sampling rates, typically a difference of 10x. Then you could have the outer loop (slower) command attitudes from the inner loop (faster) for translational motion. @pratikphadte, loved the work. I did something similar on an Arduino Mega last summer. Worked out for a bit, but as you may have figured out from your own experience, quick and responsive PID control and stabilization across the normal flight envelope is not something that boards like an Arduino or an ESP32 handle well with their relatively massive overhead. Switched to an APM 2.8 and later to a Pixhawk 2.4.8, couldn't be happier today with all the flying that I do and the additional functionalities they offer. Good luck and happy flying!
@nightshowdown4178
@nightshowdown4178 Ай бұрын
as always video is just great and very informative i like your work and salute you for all the hardwork you do for a single video 🫡
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
@@nightshowdown4178 thank you for subscribing and supporting! Thank you so much!!
@nightshowdown4178
@nightshowdown4178 Ай бұрын
@@pratikphadte hey just wanted to give you suggestion would it be better if you upload code explanation series like carbon aeronautics or joop brokking that what you entire code is doing and how an individual can make it ? just a suggestion hehe🙂
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
@@nightshowdown4178 ill take up on it, but the thing is Carbon Aeronatics and joop have already done a god jobs, to recreate it, it seems like a re work. But never the less, ill try making. I have some more good stuff coming UP. I really appreciate your suggestion and advice, thank you so much for supporting!
@VU2IIA
@VU2IIA Ай бұрын
Nice PID demo, will check your GH, liked & subscribed .
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@shubhamneurekar7641
@shubhamneurekar7641 Ай бұрын
Nice video bro very informative
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you bro ♥️
@SasmeetNadkarni
@SasmeetNadkarni Ай бұрын
Bro this was in in my recommendations. Drone man vodlo zhalo
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
My man Sasmeet! Thank you!
@DheerajSinghal02
@DheerajSinghal02 Ай бұрын
Nice work, I also worked on flight controller development long ago....
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you, nice to meet you!
@asutoshpatro
@asutoshpatro Ай бұрын
Great explanation sir.!
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you brother!
@MrI8igmac
@MrI8igmac Ай бұрын
Nice work. this is helpful. Im still working with a bread board on my esp32s3, i glued it to my prototype 3d print drone. I had this idea of using airflow sensors to maybe add another layer of stability or accuracy. Maybe you find this idea interesting. Im still waiting on step up voltage converter.
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Way to go man! Excited to hear your ideas, would love to see your progress, subscribing to you right away!
@MrI8igmac
@MrI8igmac Ай бұрын
@@pratikphadte dude. Is that a linux computer
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Yes! It is, helps with ros2
@pixstrome8735
@pixstrome8735 Ай бұрын
Well explained keep it up! 😁 That's me! 5:16!
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you Manoj for the idea on the stand! Glad to have connected with you! The stm32 quadcopter is crazily stable!
@shivamkhamble6181
@shivamkhamble6181 Ай бұрын
Impressive as always, bruhhh ❤
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you bro!♥️
@fifaham
@fifaham Ай бұрын
@10:42 the center of gravity in this case is not aligned with the frictionless horizontal bar, this doesn't represent the actual calibration. Your ideal axis of swivel must change to probably adding a vertical frictionless bar that is collocated with frictionless horizontal for a valid calibration. Alternatively, you may need to figure out where exactly the COG located and hang the drone right on that COG point.
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Yes you are correct, I made this video for people to understand learn about a pid controller and not specifically about the drone. You are right the values will change when I fly the quadcopter independently. I hope my answer makes sense.
@Ajay-di3zn
@Ajay-di3zn Ай бұрын
Nyce
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thanks
@impushprajyadav
@impushprajyadav Ай бұрын
Is that ur mic or ur voice is already awesome?
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Little bit of both i would say, Thank you so much, made my day! 😊
@sarvagnaraval5529
@sarvagnaraval5529 Ай бұрын
Nice
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@sarvajittilve7542
@sarvajittilve7542 Ай бұрын
Great bro!
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you bro!
@fifaham
@fifaham Ай бұрын
@11:00 when the drone flies in the air it will have completely different COG location point. This is due to the fact that the parts are not distributed perfectly symmetrical relative to the center.
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Yes you are correct, I made this video for people to understand learn about a pid controller and not specifically about the drone. You are right the values will change when I fly the quadcopter independently. I hope my answer makes sense.
@myetis1990
@myetis1990 15 күн бұрын
you should consider that you wil not use the connection part during real flying, so you need to compensate the PID values for real weight and geometry.
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte 14 күн бұрын
Yes I agree, again this video is to demonstrate the PID controller and not to be referred completely as a guide to tune your quadcopter.
@blazinghammer
@blazinghammer Ай бұрын
Bro i tried to blow away the ant 0:56
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
😂😂😂 right on
@mehul4mak
@mehul4mak 20 күн бұрын
I understand PID, one of the best video but I am still not able to find out why drone oscillate even if you are not giving any command. What phenomenon is it?
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte 20 күн бұрын
Thank you for your kinds words, can you please mention the timestamp? If you are talking about the very high oscillations, it’s because of the overshoot in the p controller.
@puneethff4927
@puneethff4927 Ай бұрын
Hi brother Its good to see these kind of videos and leant too many things from you .. And brother do you know about autonomous drones like . Pixhawk + rpi and ai stuffs ? Like.. purpose is human tracking or Kind of like that and crop management and more ? I am trying to build this for college project brother I will contact you on LinkedIn brother its easy to discuss there
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Hello bro, I’m excited to hear about your ideas, you should just dive in them. I appreciate you asking me for advice, I want to help you and I get many messages asking me for help! But I’m occupied by my work and as a creator time is super valuable, I would be able to help you better if you take up my Patreon as that supports me. Thank you for understanding, no hard feelings.
@zoeyzhang9866
@zoeyzhang9866 Ай бұрын
Nice test, any custom PCBs/3DP can help? (PCBWay zoey)
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thank you, yes I’ll approach if required!
@zoeyzhang9866
@zoeyzhang9866 Ай бұрын
@@pratikphadte NO problem, you are welcomed. And you can find my contact in channel info.
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
I did, super thanks!
@AltamashMusaShaikh
@AltamashMusaShaikh Ай бұрын
And they say you don't need maths in CS
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
CS is the language, math is the song 😅
@ckush928
@ckush928 Ай бұрын
@@pratikphadte Were you trying to say the other way around.
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
@@ckush928 nope 😊
@neymarjr266
@neymarjr266 28 күн бұрын
see how your drone is stable almost stable at p =1 and rest values zero . But my drone is free falling have tried different values of p. Also my circuit is connected using jumper wire not pcb/gbp.
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte 26 күн бұрын
Hello, the results will vary as this is done on a stand, and the system is different from an independent quadcopter , I suggest you to follow a p value of 0.7 and d value of 0.008, I you can keep 0
@neymarjr266
@neymarjr266 26 күн бұрын
@@pratikphadte see in my drone correction are happening but in your case the drone is in center stable that is not happening
@neymarjr266
@neymarjr266 17 күн бұрын
do ready-made flight controller give direct pid value
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte 14 күн бұрын
The pid values are kind of related to the drone system so ideally it’s never the case but fast fc like thee speedybee have a good processing speed and that makes their pid values workable for a broader bandwidth of Systems, they may give the most perfect result but it’s almost satisfactory.
@dipanshudhote5671
@dipanshudhote5671 5 күн бұрын
Hello Pratik, I build a mini drone based on esp32 all works fine but there is one issue while uploading the code or pressed reset button the motors get starts automatically until uploading gets finished, I already set these pins to 0 in setup section, then what might be the error causing it... ?????
@CuddleCoder
@CuddleCoder Ай бұрын
Well done. Where do you get these drone parts from India?
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Thanks, you can check at robu.in
@itsgodzagain
@itsgodzagain Ай бұрын
just get a apm 2.8 and leave the calculation at home and fly around!
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
The purpose was to explain pid and I didn’t have an apm 😅
@manhcuongnguyen2784
@manhcuongnguyen2784 Ай бұрын
Hello, I followed your instructions, but I couldn't find your webserver to customize the PID. Could you share the address of that webserver with me?
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Hello, please follow the WiFi tuning video, in that I have mentioned how to get the ip address of the esp32.
@manhcuongnguyen2784
@manhcuongnguyen2784 Ай бұрын
@@pratikphadte I figured it out! Thank you so much, and I hope to see more videos about quadcopters from your channel in the future.
@neymarjr266
@neymarjr266 28 күн бұрын
is the code working properly and making the drone stable
@satyamagrawalblogs
@satyamagrawalblogs 28 күн бұрын
Actually flying pid use please
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte 26 күн бұрын
I have showed one in my pid WiFi tuning video, check that one, also there is a small 2 min video showing the flight, you may check that as well.
@kushangsolanki999
@kushangsolanki999 Ай бұрын
How did you get all this info ?? Even I need to learn all this in detail
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Follow the resources in my other videos. Joop Brokking and carbon aeronautics are the best out there.
@saadanasilmamuna2880
@saadanasilmamuna2880 20 сағат бұрын
English is a weird language. German accent can be funny but such English remains fully understandable. Finnish accent is weird but even such English remains fully understandable. However, under Indian accents English will fully loose its clarity. There are so many nice videos on the Internet which remain tolerable just on the condition you switch the sound off and read the subtitles.
@sasmit82
@sasmit82 Ай бұрын
Is that a custom FC board you made for esp32 ?
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Yes!
@nikitam4677
@nikitam4677 Ай бұрын
@@pratikphadte Thank you for good video. Can you give some guides or resources which we can use to make ESP32 drones?
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
@@nikitam4677 thank you so much!, please check my diy esp32 playlist for esp32 drone.
@neymarjr266
@neymarjr266 Ай бұрын
do we get same pid value from the same drone but from diferrent flight controller
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
No it depends, if the fc has good clock freq then for better working I can select a lower time cycle which can sort of give me pid values which will be different Than the esp32 pid values
@neymarjr266
@neymarjr266 Ай бұрын
@@pratikphadtewould it be same for arduino uno and amp2.8 as they both have 16M hz , will it be same?? . Because i am trying pid tuning but facing problems using the arduino .
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Can’t say for sure but yes
@neymarjr266
@neymarjr266 Ай бұрын
@@pratikphadte bro have you done this thing on arduino
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
No I haven’t, you can check joop brokking for Arduino fc
@sumitgumtya
@sumitgumtya 20 күн бұрын
bro make PID video in hindi
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte 20 күн бұрын
My audience is very niche I feel that’s why I make videos in English, but yes I can work on that idea. Thanks
@TanmayGaude23e4
@TanmayGaude23e4 Ай бұрын
Are you goan ? 🙋🏻
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
Hoi bro, Kide mhanta? Ghat?
@TanmayGaude23e4
@TanmayGaude23e4 Ай бұрын
Ghat! Just discovered pid controllers and found u, vids powerful asa, really helpful. Good to see u use linux. Is it always the case ?
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
@@TanmayGaude23e4 thanks bhava, no Linux is not necessary, just better for Ros
@beastlyy858
@beastlyy858 Ай бұрын
I from mechanical engineering,I want to learn more about Robotics,can you suggest me how to go about it,I am from Goa
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
@@beastlyy858 yeah please refer articulated robotics for mainstream robotics.
@Prateek1234q.
@Prateek1234q. Ай бұрын
Idk i am trying to make the TVC mount for a model rocket but it just doesn't want to work ig , and idk if i am wrong with the math or with the programming 🫠
@pratikphadte
@pratikphadte Ай бұрын
You’ll get it working! Keep up the work!
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