Pilot Medical Issue - Carbon Cub LSA to the rescue - Flight + Kit Plane Build

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8 жыл бұрын

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@mitouch3202
@mitouch3202 5 жыл бұрын
This is Mike. I'm the guy in the video building the Carbon Cub. Yes I finished the plane in the summer of 2017. I now have about 110 hours on it. It was just like one of the comments I read saying it was a blast to build it, but even more fun to fly it. All in it took 1.5 years to build or just short of 1,000 hrs.
@FlightChops
@FlightChops 5 жыл бұрын
Congrats Mike! I can't believe it's been that long since we filmed this! I look forward to seeing it!
@hiker2742
@hiker2742 5 жыл бұрын
@@FlightChops I want to get my private, but I take some heart meds... does this usually exclude from obtaining a private? Thanks and hope you are better now!
@DavidHope1133
@DavidHope1133 5 жыл бұрын
@@FlightChops Can't wait for this video!
@tristanruel
@tristanruel 4 жыл бұрын
Such dedication you have!
@jimgaul67
@jimgaul67 4 жыл бұрын
Hiker..... the FAA has a list of exclusionary drugs on their website or call a local Aviation Medical Examiner
@richarddarlington1139
@richarddarlington1139 7 жыл бұрын
As an R/C model builder and pilot, I can attest to the fact that there is no greater feeling than flying an airplane you built yourself. You alone are responsible for the quality of the build and the performance of the aircraft. For all you guys who can no longer pass the medical, I highly recommend it! I'm finishing up a 1/5 scale Christen Eagle right now and I can hardly wait to maiden the thing, white knuckles and all. I absolutely love it!
@rasonjason4066
@rasonjason4066 5 жыл бұрын
I love building my own stuff! I couldn't afford the quality I like otherwise.
@cnnw3929
@cnnw3929 3 жыл бұрын
I used to be into the RC hobby. I even built a couple kits. But, since the FAA declined me a medical certificate, I decided that the RC kit building was a waste of time. I even sold a Great Planes Ultra .40 kit for pennies on the dollar, and nearly gave away all the rest of the RC kits, ARFs, and radios I had. None of them are available on the market anymore, and will probably appreciate in price. I now fly quad-rotor drones, a couple from DJI and one Autel EVO. They do everything I could want for my aerial photography hobby. And I don't even need a license, or any kind of test. As long as I'm in Class G airspace, nobody knows I'm there. :)
@steveo1kinevo
@steveo1kinevo 8 жыл бұрын
Really cool little aircraft! Looks like it would be a blast to fly around.
@FlightChops
@FlightChops 8 жыл бұрын
Totally!
@robertcieslak1861
@robertcieslak1861 8 жыл бұрын
I made my first solo in a Cub in 1955 and got my private license in it. It was one of the greatest airplanes ever built. I also worked at Piper for 10 years designing the PA-42 in Lakeland, FL until they shut the plant down.
@falutinfree1101
@falutinfree1101 8 жыл бұрын
Outside is old school Cub and inside you have a modern glass cockpit. I don't think it gets much better than that!
@FlightChops
@FlightChops 8 жыл бұрын
'zactly!
@blancolirio
@blancolirio Жыл бұрын
The inspiration for your experimental RV build!
@FlightChops
@FlightChops Жыл бұрын
Pretty much 🤓😎
@df5118
@df5118 8 жыл бұрын
I recently flew in a carbon cub as a passenger and I was impressed! Awesome rate of climb and excellent views slowing it right down along the coast.
@brianhedrick4986
@brianhedrick4986 8 жыл бұрын
Starting my Fixed Wing classes tomorrow! Your videos have kept the stoke ultra high! Thanks!
@markoda8455
@markoda8455 8 жыл бұрын
I've always have had a fascination with kit built planes. I found your piece very interesting and it was a sweet plane. Thanks
@prof2yousmithe444
@prof2yousmithe444 6 жыл бұрын
This is one of the key reasons I love your channel! Excellent video!!!
@PlaneOldBen
@PlaneOldBen 8 жыл бұрын
180hp in something that small sounds epic! Really enjoyed this video!!
@goatflieg
@goatflieg 8 жыл бұрын
Another inspirational one. I know what you mean about four airplanes. My first dream was an Avid Amphibian, then it became an RV-8. After 13 years of waiting, and getting the empennage done, I finally order my quickbuild wings & fuselage TOMORROW! But... I love the Carbon Cub too. Just might be my second airplane...
@bishopcherrycoke6654
@bishopcherrycoke6654 8 жыл бұрын
very cool, that's one heck of a project. I hope Mike is taking pictures or video of his progress. I would love to see updates and of course the maiden flight.
@andrewzanas9387
@andrewzanas9387 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, Chops. Very enlightening tour of the ultralight experimental world.
@christianseemann1618
@christianseemann1618 2 жыл бұрын
After after enjoying many Flight Chops episodes of you & the team building and flying your own RV over the year or two; it is super cool to come across this episode and witness your thought process towards building your own airplane change over the course of the video. Your dreams inspire many dreams in others. I started watching your channel in 2018 and began working on my PPC then, but had to take some time off until late 2020. I am about to take my check ride in the next month and look forward to earning my tail wheel and float endorsements this winter. The high quality of the FlightChops videos and your enthusiasm permitted me to continue to enjoy some of the best parts of flying even when I couldn't get into the air myself. Rock on and may your FlightChops be perpetually sharp :-D !
@FlightChops
@FlightChops Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this Christian. I was searching comments for an other thing just now and came across yours here that I had missed initially.
@cjm2005
@cjm2005 8 жыл бұрын
Microlights mate. Super light, awesome power to weight ratio, and rotax 912 engines which are reliable and economical (10 ltrs mogas / hour). They are awesome. They inspired me to fly again & my licence arrived last Tuesday morning. I'll be mostly flying an Ikarus C42.
@MichaelOKeefe57
@MichaelOKeefe57 8 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see it once it's finished!
@astrogirl1usa
@astrogirl1usa 8 жыл бұрын
How interesting! What a fun thing to do; build a kit plane. There is inherently something very satisfying, about completing a project and being able to use what you built.
@IanHoyt
@IanHoyt 8 жыл бұрын
A little added motivation to get my RV8 kit back out and start smashing rivets again!
@alanluscombe8a553
@alanluscombe8a553 3 жыл бұрын
Did you ever get around to it?
@orestomeliukh4863
@orestomeliukh4863 8 жыл бұрын
I agree with the LSA thing if that's what's allowing this type of build. You take a classic and upgrade it to modern standards. Really nice and Mike is a champ!
@jordanmemonster
@jordanmemonster 8 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. I wish these LSA kits were more affordable... Would make for a great project and long term puzzle.
@45631063
@45631063 8 жыл бұрын
thank you very much for this explanatory video on the drivers and devices maintenance for medical doctors
@KingGroupProductions
@KingGroupProductions 6 жыл бұрын
What a cool airplane! Climb at 2100 feet per minute is amazing, but stable flight at 29 mph is even more surprising. Keep up the videos. I started flying in 1958 soloing in an Aeronca Champ.
@Shwepnick
@Shwepnick 8 жыл бұрын
Another awesome Flight Chops video! I loved this one!!
@mcomeslast
@mcomeslast 7 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous plane. Loved the lsa.
@tuckernielson1
@tuckernielson1 8 жыл бұрын
I have loved every flight chops video but this one is my favorite.
@keysthinking
@keysthinking 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for being a real down to earth pilot
@jcbolomey4608
@jcbolomey4608 8 жыл бұрын
I would love to fly one of these. first airplane I flew in was a PA18. Great video!
@Michael-4
@Michael-4 5 жыл бұрын
Super video. Lots of detail in the right areas. Thanks.
@martyb6903
@martyb6903 5 жыл бұрын
Like watching your programs Well done It really is helping me learn the ropes and hopefully solo and get my ppl Thanks!
@AK-ky3ou
@AK-ky3ou 5 жыл бұрын
Glad that guys gonna get to fly.
@phildeeznuts3162
@phildeeznuts3162 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!!! thanks for putting this ☝. Please keep all videos coming, but more home builts would be awesome!!! thanks
@john3Lee
@john3Lee 8 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant episode... Thank you :)
@williegillie5712
@williegillie5712 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing little plane. I always thought the cub was a marvel of engineering due to what it can do and where it can go that other planes cannot
@JaxTellerRC
@JaxTellerRC 8 жыл бұрын
Very cool video! Really enjoyed watching this. Great job!
@MrSamdoe100
@MrSamdoe100 6 жыл бұрын
Great insight, Carbon Cub remains a dream ;) . great video.
@smaze1782
@smaze1782 6 жыл бұрын
What a great video. Thanks FC!
@prreith
@prreith 5 жыл бұрын
Coming from the car world, I can definitely confirm the list of guys who start projects and never finish them far exceeds those who do. You have two options, a large group of friends hammering it out (which usually doesn't happen) or chug away at it yourself. With the later, the problem for most is they don't understand it takes a drastic lifestyle change. One has to become something of a hermit, or be willing to shun their friends to find the time. The friends just won't get it and take it personally. And it's the very small, but crucial details that are the killers - small fittings, etc. Lots of patience & tenacity required.
@crapper1
@crapper1 8 жыл бұрын
i would love to get a cub they look like very fun airplanes to play around the area with
@blackgenesisishere
@blackgenesisishere 6 жыл бұрын
this channel is so awesome, thanks for sharing these great videos!!!
@kiwiaviator7983
@kiwiaviator7983 8 жыл бұрын
Cool stuff, thanks again for another great vid!
@fractuss
@fractuss 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent editing on your videos.
@marvinadn
@marvinadn 8 жыл бұрын
Please keep us updated with this project
@arvidsamuelsson
@arvidsamuelsson 8 жыл бұрын
You make great videos. I sure do enjoy them. Keep ut the good work!
@jolujo5842
@jolujo5842 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent educational runs. KUDOS
@tpowell453
@tpowell453 7 жыл бұрын
That looks like a nice plane. A real plane. I like it.
@cmeGordy
@cmeGordy 8 жыл бұрын
that is so cool I would really love to have one myself frankly I would like to own and fly several planes in my life. Such a cool plane specifically seeing how slow it can fly that is awesome.
@skryhashtag
@skryhashtag 8 жыл бұрын
OMG the Treeeeees
@calebcheshire3430
@calebcheshire3430 6 жыл бұрын
Cool to see the mix of a classic Cub with the digital PFD! #BoseA20
@NathanH172
@NathanH172 8 жыл бұрын
I'm just a few hours south of CubCrafters, KVUO is my home airport.
@limadeltazulu
@limadeltazulu 7 жыл бұрын
piper cub and its other versions, the best and most beautiful airplane in the world.
@MikeKobb
@MikeKobb 8 жыл бұрын
That plane looks like such a blast to fly. Interesting that it has only electric trim. The Cirrus is like that, and I find it hard to trim perfectly, compared to planes with trim wheels where you can apply almost infinitesimal amounts of trim. One question: I see a whole lotta metal there. What makes it a "Carbon" Cub?
@sugershakify
@sugershakify 8 жыл бұрын
It does have some carbon. The cowling, floor board, and some other trim pieces are carbon.
@Lucrsaintgenies
@Lucrsaintgenies 8 жыл бұрын
Great video as always
@paulcarstens2601
@paulcarstens2601 8 жыл бұрын
Loved the video Steve. Roni really liked hearing Mike describe the kit-build process. Also, - $4000.00 worth of prizes, plus a hangar kitten! lol, Well done. Proud to be a Patreon supporter.
@FlightChops
@FlightChops 8 жыл бұрын
+Paul Carstens - thanks so much Paul! And I really appreciate all the work you put in as "producer" making those productions in ATL happen!
@tomasolivieri1615
@tomasolivieri1615 7 жыл бұрын
Beatiful & Cool Plane... I want to have one..!!
@DickGibson
@DickGibson 8 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video man Super duper way kool
@thomasabramson100
@thomasabramson100 8 жыл бұрын
Did you try a short field landing when you had her at 27 mph with full control couldn't help thinking this would be a great plane to win the Valdez stol competition. can you hold in the brakes all the way just before touchdown ?
@enzojarretta2040
@enzojarretta2040 7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic airplane
@douggrant4008
@douggrant4008 8 жыл бұрын
Love the video and the plane.
@jackgilmore8383
@jackgilmore8383 5 жыл бұрын
That was wonderful I like that video it's got me and drifted now to one know if I could fly and like to build my own some day maybe some day
@aviatorcrafty102
@aviatorcrafty102 7 жыл бұрын
If he got his medical sometime after 2006, then he can do basic med, a newly developed program that recently went into effect. Basically, instead of doing a third class medical (only applies to this class), you do a medical exam with a state licensed physician (regular doctor) every 2 years, and you fill out a portion of a "checklist" and the doctor fills out the rest, in addition to this you do a free online aeromedical course every 4 years. You have to keep the completed checklist and the certificate of completion for the medical course in your log book to be legal. Privileges wise you have these: Flying: VFR or IFR No restriction on horsepower No restriction on number of engines No restriction on gear type (fixed or retractable) Day and night flight Restrictions: Aircraft must have a maximum takeoff weight of no more than 6000 pounds You can't fly faster than 250 KIAS You can't fly higher than 18000 feet Definitely something he should look into
@ryanesrey667
@ryanesrey667 8 жыл бұрын
Your videos are great man shoutout from vegas
@cofferdamn
@cofferdamn 8 жыл бұрын
thats really awesome
@isaacbrooks1430
@isaacbrooks1430 8 жыл бұрын
Great video!!!
@davethepilot9881
@davethepilot9881 8 жыл бұрын
I loved the video, and especially the Carbon Cub. That said, I am probably a little biased because I am lucky enough to work at Cubcrafters where I'm surrounded by Carbon Cubs every day! I'd have to say that the only thing more fun than building a Carbon Cub is flying one!
@FlightChops
@FlightChops 8 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! Can you score me a deal on one? :P
@davethepilot9881
@davethepilot9881 8 жыл бұрын
Haha I might know a guy!
@joshstevens9162
@joshstevens9162 4 жыл бұрын
It’s funny you say around the 3:15 mark about how you have a lot of incomplete renovations around the house considering the vans build you are now in the middle of lol! Did you think back on this conversation when you were considering wether or not to build your own plane?
@mikepaz4870
@mikepaz4870 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@1shARyn3
@1shARyn3 8 жыл бұрын
Hint hint on the window crank for trim: It's a Piper-thing. Cherokees have the same dumb handle -- but worse --- it's on the headliner (great when you're on foggles and aren't supposed to be looking up for it)
@jasonpayne1240
@jasonpayne1240 3 жыл бұрын
This video is really inspiring to see how an aviator found a way to pursue his passion despite a medical problem. Any excuse I could come up with not to build my cub or even to earn my license just seems invalid.
@freerange2417
@freerange2417 8 жыл бұрын
It should also be noted that the carbon cub kit doesn't have to be built as an LSA, it is only an option. We built ours to the full 1865 LB Gross weight category and are not restricted by any LSA requirements. It really is a great kit and a blast to fly!
@FlightChops
@FlightChops 8 жыл бұрын
I think that's what I would do - build it for the full max gross the air frame is designed to handle.
@mitchellkasdin1899
@mitchellkasdin1899 5 жыл бұрын
I like that comment “ I have a lot of incomplete renovations in our house”
@thecountbassy_
@thecountbassy_ 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing in the $50k-$60k range for for LSAs? Isn't that about how much it costs to build a Kitfox?
@markthibault8579
@markthibault8579 8 жыл бұрын
Transport Canada needs to copy the Light Sport program from the US. That would give us access to a great many more affordable options for general aviation in Canada without all the restrictions associated with the Advanced Ultralight category, e.g. no night flying, 1232lbs gross.
@xkguy
@xkguy 7 жыл бұрын
When I first heard about LSA I thought ...great, an easy way to get into aviation. After a year I learned that LSA is used almost exclusively to out of aviation. By that I mean finding a place to get LSA instruction, in an LSA plane and someone who will do your sign off in your plane...does not exist in Las Vegas and most other places. LSA has become a way to get out of the PPL world yet continue to fly. I have resigned to wait until I retire and go to Florida for a few weeks to get my LSA training and license.
@xkguy
@xkguy 8 жыл бұрын
LSA was meant to get more people into flying but it wound up being the way guys get out of flying. I tried to go LSA but finding nearby instruction was impossible. I was told no one would certify me in most LSA, certainly not a home built. Instructors always wanted me to learn on a regular plane. I eventually quit. LSA is the way guys who are about to lose their medical stay in the sport...as they slowly 'get out' of it. I never met one person who got into flying through LSA unless they went to a place in Florida and spent a few weeks of intensive training. I really wanted to fly again (I soloed in my youth but gave it up) but LSA was a disappointment.
@mcomeslast
@mcomeslast 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm finding the same. I love these videos, but I'm not going to invest money in this until they get rid of the third class medical. I am going to set up a sim program.
@gpowerdragon9852
@gpowerdragon9852 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many Garmin flight computers you can squeeze in there and the sweet autopilot for the windy days
@kajun4
@kajun4 8 жыл бұрын
What a fun little airplane! If you haven't already, take a look at "A Plane is Born" here on KZfaq. It's a nicely done miniseries about building a kit plane and it manages to be very entertaining.
@pinchflat
@pinchflat 8 жыл бұрын
steve. if you are ever near St.louis let me know. My uncle has built several kit planes as well as designed and built his own plane in his BASEMENT!
@FlightChops
@FlightChops 8 жыл бұрын
That's awesome!
@regressmenot
@regressmenot 7 жыл бұрын
Would love to know how Bob's progress with his kit is going.
@kennethcohagen9037
@kennethcohagen9037 7 жыл бұрын
All these years after the cub was designed it still uses rounded ends on the wings, rudder and elevators. Is there any advantage to that, or are squared ends better?
@outlawflyer7868
@outlawflyer7868 7 жыл бұрын
ok, so that was a pretty cool plane. now i want to build my own plane under the LSA but i have no welding experience what so ever or any kind of kit plane building experience so I will need to hire someone to do the welding for me. A long time ago i heard that in order for a persons plane to be under a certain guide line that he/she would have to do like over 50% of the build himself/herself. Can you tell me if its more or less or even true in the matter or were the heck i can find this info out myself? Thanks...
@parapluie6228
@parapluie6228 6 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the video and do admire the aircraft. One big drawback, however, is the kit price, which is a big deterrent to budget-minded builders. You should make a video on one of the Sonex aircraft for those with a sharper eye on budget. #BoseA20
@AdamLoya
@AdamLoya 8 жыл бұрын
Check out the Flight Design CTLS I love flying it and it's only about $140k with a full glass cockpit
@jjohnston94
@jjohnston94 7 жыл бұрын
Are you on crack? My mortgage was $140k.
@rojamb2012
@rojamb2012 7 жыл бұрын
Think of it as a life-time investment.
@ollopa1
@ollopa1 6 жыл бұрын
In some places you're lucky to find a house under $400k. I guess it depends on where you live.
@jimmaria1492
@jimmaria1492 4 жыл бұрын
How much is this guys kit .... also i wonder about all the steps with the faa and costs with that it would be nice if that was in the videos.
@gimallo1107
@gimallo1107 7 жыл бұрын
Can you please tell me the name of the song ? The link is broken.
@Heetcat6
@Heetcat6 8 жыл бұрын
WOW
@22t31
@22t31 7 жыл бұрын
Woaw!
@BasedSM
@BasedSM 6 жыл бұрын
you should come back and fly with him if he has completed his plane
@1jfraga
@1jfraga 6 жыл бұрын
I’m looking into getting my pilots license and building a plane also. I have been looking at the Van’s Aircraft. RV 7a would be nice!! Thanks for the great videos! #BoseA20
@DeltaPilot9er
@DeltaPilot9er 6 жыл бұрын
wow. just wow. this is really insperatianolal.
@that_llama_in_a_tuxedo4584
@that_llama_in_a_tuxedo4584 8 жыл бұрын
While I'm a piper warrior guy. I would so buy/build a carbon cub.
@Nick1011
@Nick1011 8 жыл бұрын
great video can you make a video about the things in your flight bag because i am a student and want to know what i should put in my flight bag
@FlightChops
@FlightChops 8 жыл бұрын
thanks. I'm not sure it is worth an entire video, but I will think through it and at the very least post a list somewhere. Please email me and I will send you a draft of the list when ready. flightchops at gmail dot com
@Nick1011
@Nick1011 8 жыл бұрын
+FlightChops maybe part of a video? and thanks for the reply
@SommerAdric
@SommerAdric 8 жыл бұрын
Cub ❤️
@josephhopper1365
@josephhopper1365 7 жыл бұрын
The pilot you piloted the carbon cub with is he from NC by any chance?
@VFuzz
@VFuzz 8 жыл бұрын
I never knew this exsisted, thats really cool! Also, do you know if anyone can assemble a carbon cub or do you have to be a certified A&P mechanic?
@JLDoctorWho
@JLDoctorWho 8 жыл бұрын
No, you don't have to be an A&P. In fact, you don't need anything at all except time, space, and money. Experimental aircraft are by definition amateur built. If you are looking for a really fun aircraft that is an "easy" build the Sonex is another alternative. Look up the EAA if you want more info on building airplanes.
@RTOutdoors
@RTOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Any idea if Mike completed the build?
@repalmore
@repalmore 5 жыл бұрын
When I work on something complicated it seams every so often a bolt or part will hit the floor and disappear. I think I will make the floor absolutely smooth and close ALL the gaps under shelves and suspend workbenches from the wall. I'm sure I'll figure out a way to disappear a part anyway. ;o(
@brandendavis6369
@brandendavis6369 7 жыл бұрын
Can u do another video on the carbon cub?
@FlightChops
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes I can :) we have actually already filmed a fairly epic production with CubCrafters - it is in post production - please see the video on my channel titled: "Average Pilot FLYING everything! Fighters to Bush Planes to Choppers: 2017 teaser"
@elenadreyer9820
@elenadreyer9820 8 жыл бұрын
that's very inspiring and I want to tell you that we have a young eagle rally coming up at are airport on July 16 I am nervous about taking off but otherwise excited
@DeadBaron
@DeadBaron 8 жыл бұрын
This is my dream plane. Going to be YEARS before I can even afford the license to fly one, much less build one. Got to love this economy... and with job automation around the corner, it will only get worse.
@CreatorCade
@CreatorCade 8 жыл бұрын
I hear yah man I'm in the same boat
@robertz3683
@robertz3683 7 жыл бұрын
Hey! I just wanted to know if you own a plane of your own. If you do, what is it? If not, what would it be?
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