Pima's Convair B-36 Peacemaker 'City of Fort Worth' with Scott Marchand

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The Damcasters - The Aviation History Podcast

2 ай бұрын

Convair's B-36 Peacemaker was intended as an intercontinental bomber and was the size of a small continent. Join @PimaAirSpaceMuseum's CEO, Scott Marchand, as he tells us the tale behind the museum's monstrous B-36J 52-2827 “City of Fort Worth”.
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@bfc3057
@bfc3057 Ай бұрын
I was privileged to visit Pima in 2018 and saw a lot of wonderful types that aren't seen in Europe - the B-36 was a prime example. Incredible aircraft and Museum.
@sparky204
@sparky204 Ай бұрын
I pretty much grew up under the "City of Fort Worth"t when it was on display outside of (then) Carswell AFB in the late 80s/90s. My dad took me out there just about every other weekend until the museum closed around the time Carswell stood down. Had a lot of great memories at that museum, had a diverse collection of aircraft and it was a sad day when the closure was announced. The organization that had custody of it tried like hell to find it a home, but the city showed absolutely zero interest in supporting the preservation of its aviation history in any shape or form. It left some seriously bitter feelings with a lot of people, myself included. They did a good job restoring it at their hanger that Lockheed Martain/General Dynamics had loaned them. They would wheel out the forward fuselage to the Alliance Airshow just about every year trying to raise donations for a museum. She was a beauty even in her dismembered state! It was upsetting at the time when the air force took her back, but time had ran out, Lockheed was taking the hanger back for the Joint Strike Fighter program and.. That was it. Hated to see her be taken, and taken so far away.. But it worked out in the end. I was finally able to visit the museum last year, and being able to see that old Bird was an emotional experience. It was part of my childhood, it shaped my love of aviation, and damn was it good to see it safe and sound. All I want to do is go back and see her again.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
Hopefully she will be getting some TLC soon at Pima.
@johnbrandon5493
@johnbrandon5493 21 күн бұрын
I had the fortune to see her at the end of a runway in Fort Worth in the mid 1970s while going to a band contest at Six Flags Over Texas.
@chucksdesk
@chucksdesk Ай бұрын
I visited this museum in the early 80’s. It has grown a lot since then.
@richardh3540
@richardh3540 Ай бұрын
The first time I saw a B36 was the late 50’s. It was landing at McClellan AFB. The size of the aircraft made it look like it was suspended in midair.
@Deltaflot1701
@Deltaflot1701 Ай бұрын
The first model I ever attempted t glue and put together as a kit was the 1/72 scale B-36 Bomber from revell. Monster of a model. Between that model and Jimmy Stewart's SAC movie I have a special place in my heart for the B-36 Peacemaker. I've seen the one at the USAF Museum. I got to get out to Pima one of these days and see their's. Thank you for this video.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
I was scared off by the size of the 1/72's box... :)
@AirlinerHistory
@AirlinerHistory Ай бұрын
@@damcasterspod I have a tendency to go big or go home on things like that. My first Lego set, at the time I purchased it, had the most pieces of any Lego set. The B-36 was the pride of my collection. Had to dump it since brother didn’t want it when I joined the Navy
@ernestimken6969
@ernestimken6969 Ай бұрын
In 1950 my father took me to Mitchell AFB on Long Island. It was Memorial Day, and the B-36 was on display, but it was roped off. I could walk around it, and that was all. Later when they took off everyone within 5 miles could hear them, they were so loud.
@silphium
@silphium Ай бұрын
Played in this in the mid-'60s at GSW Airport. Rode the tunnel many times, 'flew' many a bombing mission as an 11 y.o. American Airlines trained their pilots at this same, largely unusedcairport during this period. It was weird to see a shiny new DC-10 at an airport with not a single other flyable aircraft around. Love Field in Dallas was the main airport, DFW Airport was -6 years away and would cause the final closure of GSW because their patterns conflicted.
@44WillysMB
@44WillysMB Ай бұрын
I did 250 volunteer hours on the restoration of this aircraft when it was at Fort Worth.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
There must be some tales from that!
@AVhistorybuff
@AVhistorybuff 13 күн бұрын
It is good to learn the B-36 will soon undergo some TLC to correct years of baking in the sun. Hopefully at that time the gun sighting blisters will be removed and replaced with the plugs that are stored inside the airplane. A full set of blisters was made at Fort Worth by the B-36 restoration team from the original molds and were to be shipped to the Air Force Museum to be installed on the B-36 there. Unfortunately, the B-36 was moved from Fort Worth to PIMA Museum with the new blisters still stored inside the airplane. All B-36J airplanes had no sighting blisters.
@robertsanders6463
@robertsanders6463 Ай бұрын
I was in Fort Worth taking training AT Bell Helicopters. The engines were being run at that time. Big round engines! Glad it was saved in one piece.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
A glorious noise I bet!
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 24 күн бұрын
+@robertsanders6463 The USAF Museum removed the engines and mounts when they learned they were thinking of trying to fly it. The plane still belongs to the museum.
@robertspence831
@robertspence831 Ай бұрын
I saw that one in Ft. Worth as a child. It was huge, and in pretty ragged condition. I'm glad it's preserved in it's current state, better than chopped up for scrap.
@butchs.4239
@butchs.4239 2 ай бұрын
I always enjoy spending time visiting the museum there when I'm traveling through the area. I've found the shade provided by the Peacemaker's wings is a welcome respite when wandering among the aircraft kept there outdoors.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod 2 ай бұрын
Certainly plenty of shade provided by the Magnesium Overcast!
@HootOwl513
@HootOwl513 Ай бұрын
There are five aircraft in the echelon formation clip at frame [0:38]. Closest to camera is a B-36, then a B-29, and a B-17. The two outboard aircraft are slightly distorted in profile, but I'm guessing they are an A-26 Douglas Invader and a North American P-51 Mustang.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
That is what I made out too, just didn't think there was enough time in the clip to label them all
@tatumergo3931
@tatumergo3931 Ай бұрын
The American Bear! If only it could be restored.
@Nick68S
@Nick68S Ай бұрын
Back in pre-internet days, I mind seeing Jimmy Stewart in "Strategic Air Command" and one of these. I also had a 1/72 scale model kit I built up and it was big.....sure I had to add a chunk of weight to the nose so it would sit on it's wheels, instead of using the clear plastic prop
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
There is a great film about the Hustle Jimmy made called "B-58 Hustler Champion of Champions". You can find it on KZfaq and well worth watching if you haven't already.
@dave20thmay
@dave20thmay Ай бұрын
Around the early 1950's I came out of my private school in Ruislip in the UK and saw one flying low towards me as I walked down Windmill Hill and I expect that it was going into Northolt Airport. Does anyone know about flights of this plane in the UK and even have access to flight records. It would be great to find out when it could have been. Best Dave
@dirtyshame2444
@dirtyshame2444 Ай бұрын
As a kid, in the 50s, I was hoeing in our cotton field in NW Texas. I would watch the B-36s flying over our cotton field, at various time. One day, I heard this big boom, I looked up and could see smoke coming from one of the engines. I thought I was going to witness a crash. The plane continued to fly.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
Goodness!
@AirlinerHistory
@AirlinerHistory Ай бұрын
Great video. While I run an Airliner channel on youtube, the overall collection Pima rivals those I have seen anywhere else. Kind of wish they were all inside though, like at the National Air and Space Museum, or for the most part at the USAF Museum, but Pima makes due with what they've got. Hopefully, when I am able to go out to Pima to do one of my airliner videos, I can spend some quality time wth the rest of the collection.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
Given the size of the collection, you'd need a building like Boeing's facility at Everett to fit them all in! Have subscribed to your channel. Let me know when you head out and I'll let the team know you're going.
@AirlinerHistory
@AirlinerHistory Ай бұрын
@@damcasterspod that’s awesome. Thank you. And you’re right building something big enough for that collection would be prohibitive without a major sponsor
@dwmzmm
@dwmzmm Ай бұрын
Would love to visit that place in the near future, definitely on my bucket list after I retire soon. Always wanted to see a real B-36 all my life as well as the other aircrafts on display there.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
You should! Pima is overwhelmingly good fun.
@dwmzmm
@dwmzmm Ай бұрын
@@damcasterspod My question is transportation from a good hotel near the Tucson International Airport to Pima and back. What do you recommend?
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
Taxi probably best if you are just doing a day trip.
@Patrick-od2zc
@Patrick-od2zc 2 ай бұрын
I saw and, went in the front section, forward of the wings at the Alliance Air Show many times back in the early 90’s. I know she has a good home. But I want her to come back to her true home in FT Worth, she belongs in Texas. Also I wish she could fly. Screw that pesky treaty with have with Russia. Pima, Take care of the old gal form me and, others. 👍🏻👍🏻
@vrosi1963
@vrosi1963 Ай бұрын
can you get access to the restoration shop mainly the me-109
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
We did head in for a look, mainly to see the Viggen and the Camel replica but didn't have time to film there on this trip unfortunately. Next time!
@toddcooper2563
@toddcooper2563 Ай бұрын
On 2-19-24, I stood in that very spot. Until you physically stand next to this beast, and many others there, you can't fathom just how big these planes really are and to think these are propeller driven and they were designed and built 70 years ago. No computers, just brains, slide rules and determination.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
I often wonder if one of the engineers at Convair got one of his conversations on the slide rule wrong and that is why it is so big
@jamesharrison6201
@jamesharrison6201 Ай бұрын
Jimmy Stewart, Strategic Air Command
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
Odd film with great aerials of the B-36 and B-47
@stephenhudson8739
@stephenhudson8739 Ай бұрын
Is president eisenhower's plane still there? I think it was called Columbine
@christians6734
@christians6734 2 ай бұрын
6 pushing, 4 pulling,.... nice project
@tatumergo3931
@tatumergo3931 Ай бұрын
Now imagine if they had continued developing it, and put in turboprops. A more modernized tail section and improved winds. We could have ended up with the American Tu-95 and it would probably be still flying, like the B-52.
@timtimm9199
@timtimm9199 Ай бұрын
I think there was one at Chanute AFB when I went to tech school. Can anyone confirm?
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
There was, it is now at the Castle Air Museum.
@nicholasbaranet3798
@nicholasbaranet3798 Ай бұрын
There was, I was in tech-school fall and winter of 1982. Believe it was called "Aly-oop". Marched by it every morning before sunrise. Lol
@b43xoit
@b43xoit Ай бұрын
Could it cruise without the jets?
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
Yes, the jets were for better take-off performance and were usually shut down in flight to save fuel.
@user-ib6wc6eo5w
@user-ib6wc6eo5w Ай бұрын
Surely it can be restored to Flight if you wanted to.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
Anything is possible, but the cost with be eye watering as would the insurance.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 24 күн бұрын
+@user-ib6wc6eo5w Considering the hours of maintenance per hour of flight it's not economical. And the USAF Museum legally still owns it and they're not going to even consider that.
@kenneysmith105
@kenneysmith105 Ай бұрын
She was only bismamntel 2 times
@SimonWallwork
@SimonWallwork Ай бұрын
Great looking aeroplane, but painting the glass neuters it.
@HootOwl513
@HootOwl513 Ай бұрын
You have no idea how intense the Tucson Sun is. If they left the plexiglass uncovered, it would not only deteriorate in the solar radiation, but rays reflecting inside would melt and distort components. At the DMAFB boneyard across the road, the Air Force puts an adhesive-backed white opaque plastic sheeting over all the plexiglass to prevent this. Aircraft on display inside the hangars at PASM don't have their glazing covered, but the B-36 is too big for any current hangars at the facility.
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
I have a video coming out soon on the NB-52A 'High and Mighty One' at PASM, trust me, the painted up windows as needed as even with them, in February, it gets mighty hot inside those aircraft.
@tatumergo3931
@tatumergo3931 Ай бұрын
@@damcasterspod . That aircraft was not built for that climate. It was meant to fly the high skies of the Artic regions in glorious splendor!
@tatumergo3931
@tatumergo3931 Ай бұрын
Ofcourse they're never going to let it fly again. It's still current, just a bit of modernization with turboprop engines and you have a potential contender.
@44WillysMB
@44WillysMB Ай бұрын
During it's restoration in Fort Worth, all of the wires,and cables were removed,and not replaced.
@tatumergo3931
@tatumergo3931 Ай бұрын
@@44WillysMB . What a shame, and I suppose there are no diagrams around to replace them, or the cost so high that discourages most from even attempting it.
@44WillysMB
@44WillysMB Ай бұрын
@@tatumergo3931 It was being restored for static display at a museum at Alliance Airport that never happened. Instead of replacing the damaged skin of the top of the wing it was covered with fresh aluminum.
@tatumergo3931
@tatumergo3931 Ай бұрын
@@44WillysMB. What a shame, are there anymore of them laying around somewhere?
@44WillysMB
@44WillysMB Ай бұрын
There is one at the bottom of the lake on the north end of the runway at Carswell AFB. That is where one of the side blisters on this one came from after several failed attempts to mold a new one.
@v1-vr-rotatev2-vy_vx31
@v1-vr-rotatev2-vy_vx31 Ай бұрын
Another Waste of money..
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
Depends on your point of view. When commisioned there was a realistic need for an intercontinental bomber, then there was the need for a nuclear bomber. Jets just put the kibosh on that need. As a works program, it kept a lot of americans employed at Convair too, something that we see again today with the procurement of the F-35.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 24 күн бұрын
@@damcasterspod It was the only platform capable of long-range strike into Russia at the start of the Cold War. It was also a boondoggle for Secretary of the Air Force Stuart Symington who took a cushy job at Convair after bludgeoning Jack Northrop for not merging with Convair and killing his flying wing program out of spite.
@donkeylong7707
@donkeylong7707 Ай бұрын
Needs to come back to ft.worth
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
I think I'm contractually obliged to disagree!
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 24 күн бұрын
+@donkeylong7707 Legally it is still property of the USAF Museum. It was on loan to TX and it wasn't housed properly or taken care of.
@AVhistorybuff
@AVhistorybuff 13 күн бұрын
@@FiveCentsPlease You seem to forget the airplane received a full restoration at Fort Worth before going to PIMA. It exists today because of that restoration.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 13 күн бұрын
@@AVhistorybuff The USAF Museum repossessed the B-36 in 1974 after learning that the Peacemaker Foundation was attempting to make it flyable. The museum even negotiated a one-time flight but the conditions were not met, although it was also made clear that no B-36 would fly again. It was disassembled and moved to Carswell. Yes, Lockheed donated hangar space in 1990s for the B-36 to receive a restoration by volunteers and former Convair employees. Afterward it was decided that there were insufficient resources to display and maintain the aircraft in TX and it was moved to PIMA.
@donkeylong7707
@donkeylong7707 Ай бұрын
It’s because we had a crappy mayor who didn’t care about it so they made no effort to find a home…. We the ppl of ft worth want it back 😡
@damcasterspod
@damcasterspod Ай бұрын
Totally understand your anger. The aircraft is in safe hands though.
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