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Can it take a tello Sim card and service

Does this RK3399S SoC (Pinephone pro) come with same (NPU) AI hardware as the RK3399 SoC, which is rated at 2.4 TOPS? If it does then I will get one for sure.

I would love to have a linux smartphone with dual front facing speakers, headphone jack and a removable battery.

I dunno, what does that say about the rear camera? It sucks, probably? IMO it's the big letdown in all Linux phones, as well as degoogled Android: the camera software is always terrible, no matter if the sensor and lens are maybe okay. You can't take a decent pic with these things.

@@bennypr0fane well someone has to train those algorithms and make it open source

@@gasun1274 right. Someone, as always. In mobile Linux, people are busy though with hardware adaptation, getting features up to speed and porting libraries etc etc, camera is lowest priority.

> _"camera is lowest priority"_ @@bennypr0fane uh oh, that's sad to hear

@@yash1152 well, if consumers continue supporting mobile Linux the software and hardware will continue to improve

The main reason to buy anything with a replacable battery is this... but Fairphone does also not have a charger for the battery...

Still 0.1

Yeah, but from what I've heard, the software is still in a very rough state (bugs with the camera, camera flash doesn't work, can't get push notifications while the phone is suspended, etc.). It also sounds like the battery life is still not very good.

Yeh megapixels doesn’t tell you everything about a camera a lot also depends on the sensor used. I imagine Nokia used a much better sensor.

its actually because the drivers for the camera isnt still really on par with lets say Nokia N900 that's on Symbian OS but its still being work on so lets just hope that it will get better on the future

but when you compared the picture you get now on Pinephone back then there's actually so much improvements (still not the best but atleast there's a progress)

Megapixels only tells you about the picture resolution, but it does not say anything other than that.

@@yxles the N900 ran Maemo (a Debian-based distro) out of the box, not Symbian.

Thank you for watching it!

@@TechHut it's can use Verizon service?

It's called a de-Googled phone.

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Not really, in fact not even close.

@@YeeLeeHaw It is entirely close, unless your lack of understanding here limits your perception. My de-Googled phones meet all of the criteria you have specified above. Therefore my statement is correct and you are not.

​@@terrydaktyllus1320 KZfaq deleted yet another comment. I guess it's sufficient to just call you a moron.

@@YeeLeeHaw Yes, I am sure it is "sufficient" for a self-entitled, screaming "me-me" like your good self. Unfortunately, I am not in a mood for baby-sitting today, so I will bid you farewell. Run along, sonny, your mum wants her computer back up there in the spare bedroom of your parents' house.

It was a mid-range in terms of price, now onepluses cost like a flagships

@@carlod1605 I don't think price should even be considered in this scenario. The Snapdragon 855+ isn't a "mid-range" chipset and that's all that matters in the context of the video. And anyone who goes in expecting similar performance will be really disappointed.

because they’re prioritizing open parts so they have few choices and aren’t large enough to manufacture all their hardware

Modular phones have been kicked around for a while but as far as I know, nothing came to market. Google had a modular phone program but killed it a few years back.

yeah, pinephone pro will perform more like 2017/18 mid-ranger rather than 2019 snapdragon flagship phone

It is compared to the Snapdragon 650 performance-wise if I recall

I guess the battery capacity is mainly limited by its size.I've not found higher capacity than ~2000 for this type, sadly. Todays phones often come with 5Kmah batteries. How does the Pro compares to an entry level Samsung Galaxy like the a03?

@@goku445 That is a good point.

To be successful in market, you have to think from the perspective of Level 0 Noob. It must be highly intuitive. Easy to use. Even a kid should be able to do it, literally. It must be reliable, ie, not glitch. And the system must be stable. Shouldn't be slow. Developer community and products should be available for it. Common users want to play games, easily surf internet, easily watch video and listen to music, easily install small shitty apps or softwares even if they do practically nothing. Let the background be in background. There is reason it is background. Have the possibility to commercialize. Closed source softwares may not be liked by some people, but it is what drives big corporations to make stuffs. If they can't make bucks out of it, why would they give any fucks to it ?

uh no, please keep the big corpo away from it, they'd dirtify the things

Actually Linux is used more in Corpo environment (development, server infrastructures, etc) The issue of Linux is that it isn't user friendly. And no, telling someone to copy and paste console commands hoping such doesn't break your system isn't user friendlyness. I love Linux, but I believe instead of having millions of distros and software package distributions, a unified system would make more sense. Because for example, I don't use Fedora because the install packages are RPM, and most of the current software manufacturers that support Linux they use deb installer packages. Well, they have both the same kernel, so why Fedora and Ubuntu feel so different when it comes to being their own OS?

@@sharkuel You're overly generalizing linux like it's some single alternative operating system like Windows and not a set of kernel and system tools with an entire ecosystem of software, both user-facing and the system layer hidden away from the regular desktop usage. You don't need to copy paste some commands from the internet or even touch the terminal at all to use desktop Linux nowadays. User experience is going to vary based on what OS you install and which desktop environment you use. A Fedora Gnome desktop is going to be waaaay easier to use than a Gentoo installation with bspwm and a custom selection of software that you compile from source.

@@nikkehtine and you basically replied to you own question. That's the main problem, it is a set of kernel and system tools and environments. And that, for the "normie users" is enough to keep them away. Now am I generalizimg? Not at all. This is the way people view Linux and if I was a newly fresh guy to start my Linux journey I would be discouraged to continue. Because most of the people want an OS where they can do everything with ease, and not having the trouble to manage console commands and search forums to find their WiFi driver, for example. This for the normal end user is just not okay, and for small and medium businesses as well. And that's why Windows is mostly the industry standard. It is not that they are pushing some form of monopoly, but the ease of how normal users can do things under basically the very same environment all around (basically they change to another PC, windows still feels familiar), and that's something that simply doesn't happen with Linux. In one PC it could have one distro, and then you change jobs and you need to use another distro with a different environment. Aditionally, the "it will get better" promise that looms in the horizon. For years Linux users have been preaching such, it is 2022 and Linux is still miles behind both Windows and MacOS when it comes to accessibility. And this is what "normie users" want, ease of use, and leave the console commands to their Admins/IT guys.

Amusingly the Pinephone Pro's specs are good enough that it's still an upgrade from my current android phone. Once they're available I'll probably pick one up to try out, especially since I'm setting up my PCs to use Manjaro and or Garuda and there's enough in common between them and mobile-manjaro that what I learn on one will probably apply to the others

So true, i've always wanted to install a linux os but my phones were never supported

Yes

Its a lil pricey but we can be guaranteed purism will allow linux phones on it s they are. Linux company who makes a linux phone

I pay for Awesim service so i can support a cell provider who caters to linux phones my pinephone works nice on it

Dude, RAM BARELY affects performance..... Cpu and Gpu are the important stuff.

4gb is enough on my Android smartphone ( sometimes gaming to ), Linux isn't that RAM hungry I think.

i don't think 4gigs ram will lag your phone, i mean i have 3gigs of ram and it's still snapy to me. i think you have a bootleg phone which fakes amount of ram that you actually have, for example your phone reports 4gb ram but actual ram was 1gb.

Android is very wastful with memory. Just look at the iPhone side. They all have 4GB or 6GB in Pro variant. I own the 2GB Pinephone and even that is running fine with GNU/Linux systems.

RAM speed is also a thing. Timings and frequency are important too.

I think I heard that the SOC *may be* maxed out with 4 gigs of RAM, so they might need a different SOC to get any more ram expansion

Yeah. They just pulled the phone up to the level of the PBP. Until a better pineboomk comes out, you'll definitely not get a better phone.

@@UNSCPILOT Raspberry offers their Pi 4 with 8 gig RAM. Theoretically it can be used to create a smartphone (i'm pretty sure it has been done already with the pi3)

@@quisqueyanguy120 I'm not saying that SOCs (System On Chip) are limited to 4gb as a whole, just that *this particular* SOC is limited to 4gb. And yeah, if the Raspberry Pi foundation made a linux phone I'd deffinitly be interested. I already badly want to get a Pi 400 just to play around with even though I still need to find jobs for my Pi 3 B+ and Pi Zero, the fact the Pi 400 is set up like a modern Commador 64 just fascinates me and my growing obsession with retro computing.

Asus zenfone 7 pro here kills oneplus thing :) Just because youre saying its the best phone.. it is a good phone there are many good phones. Hard to tell one is the best of them. Its just like laptops..

Oh asus rog phone ultimate activ cooled 16gb ram dedicated graphics 512GB total space runs full linux kde-full plasma 5 22

Same here🙃

@@ashutoshmourya4748 Yaaay 🙌🙌🙌

Too much costly for Indians due to High Import duty

@@tejasmate.. I didn't know that 😲

Lol buy assus rog phone ultimate active cooling 16gb ram 512GB total space Qualcomm Snapdragon 868 SoC

I choose adfree RK over ad-ridden snapdragon any day!

The regular pinephone is $200 It is available in the US/Global I don't have dead pixels

"If you can afford it" That happens with any phone, and actualky with anything that costs money. I don't get your point.

You can use Telegram, though

You can still do a quick google search or check wikipedia on it. Don't know about whatsapp/telegram if they can be used in non-browser mode. Anyway, there are some uses. Also, even if the camera is pretty shitty, it's still better than nothing. Maybe you simply want to make a photo of some flyer or something, where you only really need some information, nothing fancy.

Not a bad idea.

Pinetab?

@@PeterNokes Yep... Your child's first linux tablet, pinetab! Only 99,90 🙃

Given they have the same SOC, that basically makes the Pinephone Pro a mini-me Pinebook pro, which is kinda adorable

There is already a project called Waydroid which is based on LineageOS and is very cool but it's very new so it has bugs.

@@AP-kx4yw there’s also Glodroid which is a port of Android to this phone, all these projects really need volunteers

I believe KZfaq has Closed-Caption. So you need to activate the English auto-generated and use translation feature to any language you like

Maybe get a flash drive and go to a public computer cyber cafe or something and download and flash it there?

Oh at today there are over 50000 apps for arm64 but you need to have allso hardware like asus rog phone ultimate to have a real experience

Compared to a few years ago it's getting fairly awesome.

@@TechHut the progress is, the current state of affairs isn't.

That sucks, hope you are reimbursed (or better yet, delivered your phone) eventually.

This is why I'm not currently buying it. It's too risky to purchase from not so established sites, too much room for error.. Shame.

The problem is that you need the SoC manufacturer to provide you with hardware drivers or help you in development of your own driver. That's a limitation of ARM

That phone has a sd 855+ while this will only have a low end 1.5 ghz processor. No way it's gonna be the same performance.

I can't remember a video where I haven't spelled at least one thing wrong.