THIS is exactly why they should be controversial for all intents and purposes they aren’t optional

​@BuryMeInBabylon they are optional. You can exclusively pray the Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious Mysteries if you want.

I feel inclined to reply here that they are all actually optional. No one is required to pray the rosary. But given the option, would not the best option be to pray them all? God bless.

They are my favourite 🙂

I prefer Bishop Sheen's explanation. Christ was not "lost." He knew where He was. Mary and Joseph had lost him. It's the closest thing our Lady could experience to relate to us being being in sin.

@@gerry30 Great clarification. Thank you.

The Faith given to us never develops over time. The job of the Pope is to protect and pass along the Faith as it was received.

@@kevin-gf5uz the rosary is a Medieval pious practice and not a part of the deposit of faith revealed in Sacred Scripture and Tradition.

The Luminous Mysteries neither add to nor subtract from the Deposit Of The Faith. All are in the Gospels. Luminous Mysteries 1. Baptism of Jesus 2. Miracle at Cana 3. Proc Kingdom of God 4. The Transfiguration 5. Inst of Eucharist Each is instructive. Jesus consents to be baptized in an act of reverence to the Father. He executes the Miracle At Cana in an act of honoring his mother as any pious son should and would if he could. He proclaims the Kingdom Of God throughout his public ministry. He was transformed on Mount Tabor before Peter, James and John. He established the Eucharist on the night before his passion. None of this should be controversial. Adding to the ancient practice of prayer through the most Holy Rosary is what set people's teeth on edge. I admit to being disturbed by Pope Joh Paul II making this addition. Now, I find they give me fresh insights into the Gospels.

@@Forester-The rosary was directly given to us by the Virgin Mary to st Dominic, it’s from heaven itself.

@@michaelpena8845 Watch the full episode and private revelation is not part of the deposit of faith.

There is so much typology in the Bible. It's fascinating.

We should not be like the Pharisees and Sadducees; we also should not be like the gnostics. The Pharisees and the Sadducees were blind, but they weren’t heretics. The Luminous mysteries interrupt the pattern set forth by Our Lady. The Marian Psalter (Latin: Rosarium) is about the queenship of Mary. It’s about recognizing the joys, sorrows, and glories of Our Blessed Virgin. Much of that includes her interaction with Our Lord. It was given to St. Dominic because recognition of Our Lady had fallen and we need that reminder. There are 150 Angelic Salutations, one for each of the 150 psalms. The Luminous mysteries distract from the Rosary in even more ways unmentioned. If I stuck 25 extra Lord’s Prayers, a novena to the infant Jesus, and a Litany of the Saints embedded in my routine Rosary, is it still primarily about Mary? This is the problem with the Luminous mysteries. More is not necessarily better. God bless you ♥️

@@ochem123 Nor is more necessarily diabolical.

@@lmb1931 More - in general - is not necessarily diabolical, but, in this specific case, with these specific details, it is clear. The Fatima Prayer is “more,” but Our Lady herself said to pray it; so, we pray it. Our Lady of Fatima is real. Pray to Our Lady for better discernment. God bless you ♥️

I don't like currently popular music and I find talk radio less entertaining and more stress inducing than several years ago. Therefor, I don't rea,ly need the car radio. It was off for nearly the entire trip. I have adopted the practice of praying the Rosary on long car trips. During the five hour drive to visit my sister, I pray all 4 sets of Mysteries. I have generally prayed each set of Mysteries separately with pauses between. During the return drive of the most recent such trip, I prayed them all in a continuous stream. I do not race through the prayers, either. It takes me approximately 25 to 35 minutes to say the introductory prayers, 5 decades and the conc,using prayers. I have heard others say it takes them 12 to 15 minutes for the same Rosary. Perhaps I would go faster if I prayed all 20 decades every day but I don't know as speed in unimportant to me in this context. I enjoyed fresh insights into nearly every Mystery so that is the way I shall pray the Rosary on any future trip... all four sets of Mysteries together.

If JPII didn't know what would happen after all of the distortion and degeneration after Vatican II, I would question his intelligence. He should have just introduced it as a separate Chaplet and left the Rosary intact. JPII was a much more likable version of Francis but they both were of the same mind. That's why JPII elevated him in the first place along with all of the other destroyer-bishops during his reign.

The only official mysteries of the Rosary there will ever be are the ones our blessed mother Mary gave us through her apparition.

And these mysteries were first proposed by Saint George Preca of Malta, not by JPII himself.

I understand what you are saying, but it's also important to note that the Rosary itself is a devotional.

​@@mattnieri1202 Although I very much like the idea of meditating on Jesus's teaching and healing work. I would think someone could also pray the Rosary while meditating on other scenes from the Gospels.

Amen!!!!

Do you say the 2nd half of the Hail Mary during the Rosary? From what I understand that was an added after the Rosary was given. If a Pope can add on to the foundational prayer of the Rosary, why can't another Pope add a set of Mysteries?

​@@Brian17177 why is it always a "gotcha" kinda conversation, Praying the Jesus Prayer or the 150 psalms on a knotted rope is a long standing tradition, the praying of 150 Hail Mary's was a tradition that came even before the apparition of our Lady to Saint Dominic, it was also called the Marian Psalter because instead of praying the 150 psalms they would pray the 150 Hail Mary's, St. JPII Didn't turn the Rosary into an obligatory 200 Hail Mary's he gave that devotion as optional because he saw fitting to do so. The 15 Mysteries do not only fit with the 150 Psalms but also with time and days of the week, first Christ comes, then he dies, then he resurrects, with the Luminous mysteries you go from resurrection (glorious on Wed) to his earthly life on Thu. It only fits with Thursday as the day of the institution of the Eucharist but it doesn't make sense chronologically, it should go, Joyful, Luminous, Sorrowful, Glorious, but if you do that you get Joyful Fridays, which is not proper. I still believe it should be as St, JPII said, Optional and a different added chaplet.

@@Brian17177An extra line is not the same as an entire set of meditations, it’s like how people sometimes add the memorare and other prayers at the end of their rosaries yet nothing in their mental prayer changes

I hesitate to say that I agree. People just seem to recite the words, rather automatically in step. And everybody wants to add extra prayers or devotions. However! I do love to be part of so many people in prayer. … and I know we benefit by the extra graces!

There's more. There's also the three crowns for the three mysteries. Another thing is that the number of fish that broke the net in John 21:11 is the full number of Hail Marys in a Rosary. There were 153 fish. 150 for all the Hail Marys in the three mysteries + 3 Hail Marys for Faith, Hope, and Charity. To add to the Rosary is to say that Mary's instructions weren't good enough. There's nothing against the Faith in the Luminous mysteries, but they should not be said because of John Paul II. He was the man who led the interreligious Assisi World prayer meeting in 1986. He was a complete apostate. He praised all the false religions created by the devil. I recommend watching the video, "Apocalypse Now In The Vatican". You can also check out the videos I have on my playlist. Sincerely

Beautifully put.

Me too! I resisted praying them for a long time because I felt like it was messing with tradition and the rosary didn’t need augmentation. Now they are my favorite mysteries to pray.

Me too! My husband and I recently started saying them last year and I have grown to love them so much !

I think Matt's point was that Christ didn't undergo EU Himself (or marriage or other sacraments) like He did with baptism. So there needs to be more explanation besides just "He underwent it to institute it".

Pope Benedict goes into detail about that in his Jesus of Nazareth book

When teaching the scriptural basis of the sacraments, I like to highlight Christ's command to His Apostles to "heal the sick." This is later demonstrated in James' letter as a sacramental ministry.

Mark 6:12-13

@@russbus1967 ahhh, nice catch. Thanks for that.

JpII viewed the TLM as a “problem amongst the faithful that needed to be resolved” for 1960 years the only mass that existed was the TLM and now it’s a PROBLEM that needs to be FIXED???? I wouldn’t say he’s saintly on all accounts, considering he views the mass of nearly ALL the saints as problematic.

To my understanding, the luminous mysteries are more about glimpses of his divinity, mainly through his institution of the sacraments (baptism, marriage, and communion) along with the Transfiguration.

Neither the rosary nor any Marian apparition is public revelation, and so there is no prohibition against altering the rosary. You don't have to pray the Luminous Mysteries if you don't want to, O White-Washed Sepulchre, and it is unbelievable to me that you would have objected to people meditating on more of the life of Christ than merely what is contained in the traditional rosary. May God forgive your arrogance and self-righhteousness.

@@tryingnottobeasmartass757 God might forgive me but it is you Angel who are being judgmental about me. If you caught the bull but the tail, it is your problem as I meant why do some people think they are better than God’s Mother and try to add anything. Just start a new prayer and do not meddle with what God and His Mother are doing as though They fall short of the truth and as though there is not more than enough confusion in the Church. Unless you are Polish, then I understand why your stupid comment.

Joyful, sorrowful, glorious, then repeat, and then it changes on Sunday depending on the calendar, Joyful for advent, sorrowful for lent and glorious for Easter and pentecost

Monday: Joyful Tuesday: Sorrowful Wednesday: Glorious Thursday: Joyful Friday: Sorrowful Saturday: Glorious Sunday: Glorious (throughout the year); Joyful (Advent & Christmas); Sorrowful (Lent).

@Adam-fj9px Thank you, I like the Luminous mysteries themselves, but it feels a little strange.

@@tinalettieri I used to say the luminous mysteries but don't any more. When Our Lady appeared to St Dominic she said preach my Psalter, referring to the 150 Psalms, with the original 15 mysteries being said 10 times each there's 150. Also the days of them being said make more sense to me, starting at joyful with the annunciation, then going through sorrowful, the death, and then in the glorious the resurrection and ascension and assumption along with Sunday being unique depending on the season. I don't think there's anything wrong with the luminous mysteries themselves as they are a good thing to meditate on but perhaps if they were a separate chaplet

@@Adam-fj9px I think you're right. That's what isn't sitting quite right with me.

Your opinion is noted and dismissed as irrelevant. God has spoken through the Church. Hear His voice.

@@tryingnottobeasmartass757 Did JP II say that God spoke to him and told him to change the rosary?

@@psallen5099, your opinion on whether or not it was necessary for God to speak to Pope John Paul II and tell him to change the rosary is noted and dismissed as irrelevant. Marian apparitions are not public revelation, and therefore are not binding on the faithful. The Church approves of using the Luminous Mysteries if people want to use them as part of their regular rosary. The rosary is a devotional practice, encouraged by Marian apparitions, but it's also not part of public revelation and not binding on the faithful. As long as one does not include prayers to false gods or incorporate other Pagan practices into the rosary, it can be modified greatly. If you don't like that fact, oh well. Sucks to be you, and again, your opinion is noted and dismissed as irrelevant.

The Luminous Mysteries are all from Sacred Scripture. There's nothing new about them...

Pray the Holy Rosary daily. That’s most important. Gabeafterhours channel did a show on this specific topic. The Luminous Mystery is indeed beautiful. So do the Chaplet of Divine Mercy.

What about the Pope who added the 2nd half of the Hail Mary? Do you only say the first half because that addition was "invented"?

I acknowledge them, and I find it disgusting that you would have ejected people meditating and more of the events of Jesus's life than merely what is contained in the traditional rosary.

How can a layman know somebody's intent?

@@Brian17177 certain actions-like rape, abortion, venerating Ishmaelite “scripture”-are evil, regardless of our attempts to contextualize it with “intent.”

There have been several imprimaturs besides that from Cardinal Peter Erdo, so it's hardly obscure or cleared by one single cardinal. Pope St Paul VI even approved a prayer for the propagation of the Flame of Love movement. And it's not a new rosary really, it's the addition of a sentence to the Hail Mary. The mysteries are all the same. It is entirely up to the faithful whether they practice this or not, but it has been shown to not have any teachings contrary to the Church. I don't really see anything outrageous with it.

@@1111commandercool The propagators of the FOL are setting up a separate movement with a different statute in terms of outlook and colour for example and calling it a FOL rosary. All these they are separating into a distinct movement. My parish has a monthly rosary and a separate FOL rosary. The incharge are different too. If its just the addition of a sentence why can they just subsumed into the rosary ? Add into the rosary just like the addition of the luminous mystery . Lastly that is why I put outrageous in " ". Lastly I cannot google anything on Pope St Paul VI re FOL.

It’s not a new rosary, just sone additional prayers. It’s a private devotion that people can pray how they wish

@@magnoliam4159 then why are the promoters have a new image of Mary in green and a red head scarf with a specially dedicated statute?

​@@jeremiahong248We can make images of Mary however we like as long as they are respectful, early icons of Mary were not based on apparitions. The green and red probably comes from Hungary's national colors.

When Mary gave us the Rosary, it didn't include the Holy Mary prayer, so does that mean we're not praying the Rosary of we pray that part?

I cannot imagine Mary being angry that mysteries celebrating the ministry of her son may be prayed.

That's a bit of a stretch

For one, your name is outrageous in the context of being suspicious of The Church lol. But your being scrupulous (coming from one who suffers scruples). The way I see it, if the Pope can bind things on heaven and earth, then I highly doubt Mother Mary is in Heaven scolding St. John Paul II for giving us additional mysteries.

@brentbrandon1062 Same Mass same sacraments same church different members. So if you want to be heretical do so somewhere else.

​@@TruePTcan we stop this obsession of calling anything heretical or schismatic for pointing out any differences in the church? Its not heretical to see there's a difference in the tlm and the novus ordo, just as there's a difference from them to the Eastern rites. They're still masses but that doesn't mean they're all the same because they clearly aren't

​@@TruePTwhere exactly did I claim its a new church? Don't you dare accuse me of heresy. I'm stating there is a clear difference in a mass done in English to latin I'm not denying the validity of it

It also brought out the "disobedient layman pseudo-theologian" phenomenon.

@@Adam-fj9px My bad I thought OP was replying to my comment.

Very presumptuous to think you can judge the state of that man's soul better than the Pope and all the Bishops in communion with him

Tell me you are protestant with out saying I am protestant.

@@josipmijic2589 sure LOL saints always go around kissing the Quran - nothing like the "head" of the Catholic Church breaking the 1st Commandment - Remember St. Fancis Xavier? He threw false idols over board at the risk of his own life...... boy the idea of a saint has sure come a long way.

@@Forester- I said he is not a saint - amoungst many things he gave worship to the Quran - this is what I am talking about - the ability to understand what a saint is - gone.

@@halleylujah247 Well I don't go around kissing the Quran. - Like you can't even make this stuff up - the bazillions of times that guy publicly gave praise and adoration to a false religion - if anyone is a Protestant around here - it is him.

Oh, be quiet.

@@theuglydumplings3324 Sounds as if you don't have a reasoned argument to make, so how about "you be quiet" and go back to being "Luminous" or something.

I'm sorry you feel this way. You're in my prayers 🙏

Well, lah-dee-dah! Look at you, all high and mighty, knowing better than the Magisterium and actually objecting to people meditating on different aspects of the life of Jesus Christ then those found in the traditional Rosary. What arrogance! What pride! May God deliver you from your sinful delusion and bring you into the kingdom of his beloved Son.

@@tryingnottobeasmartass757 The magisterium? What's that got to do with what constitutes a proper rosary? Like, U know what it means?And U are what? The *Real* Catholic? Hey U fool. Practically the entire Bible can be used for meditation, in whole or in part. Do U do that? But the entire Bible is not the rosary. Or do U only selectively choose what U like and then feel superior to those who don't see it the same as U? It's actually U the all high & mighty one better than everyone else. Why don't U inform yourself on what the rosary actually signifies? Here's a clue for the ignorant: It started as a form of breviary of the 150 Psalms *NOT 200.* Anything else is an additional prayer, invocation or chaplet and *NOT* part of the main body of the rosary which may be added as an aside but cannot be called the rosary proper. When U get that right U can talk. Otherwise fool's opinions are irrelevant

May God deliver you from your heresy and falsehood.

No need to bring up Oneness Pentecostalism nonsense here. The Didache documents that the practice of the early Church was Trinitarian baptism, which includes baptism in Jesus' name. They didn't get it wrong, only those who think the Church should remain primitive have it wrong. Acts 15 indicates that the Church is meant to grow, and has the right and duty of defining the faith. The Church founded by Jesus Christ needn't worry about the qualms of a deficient sect.

@@drstewart The Didache documents were produced by an unknown author and were post Jesus's Apostles. The catholic church claims " apostolic succession " but did not follow the teachings of either Jesus or any of eHis chosen Apostles. Chapter 17 in The Book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ is where Jesus prophesied the destruction of the catholic church. He calls the catholic church " the great harlot." The Didache is simply nonauthentic catholic propaganda.

@@francissweeney7318 Lol the Didache dates to antiquity. You're right that it's Catholic because true Christianity is Catholic. Not the inventions of an apostate priest in the 1500s. I can see by your uninformed statements that you don't do history, because to do so is to see the Apostolic roots of Catholicism. The silly interpretation of Revelation 17 comes from the usual anti-Catholic sources and Jack Chick tracts. Both of which are contradicted by 2 Peter 1:20. Catholicism is Biblical, sects are deficient.

please be satire

please be specific

@@samfunk8467 I'm serious.

@@john-paulgies4313 I won't repeat it. It was an extremely vulgar anatomical reference at the beginning.

Holy smokes?