In the Vatican II religion, you can find salvation in literally any religion except for traditional Catholicism.

Jimmy akin also said Protestants are not anathema

The thing with Benevacantists, is Benedict was quite lucid and functioning after his resignation. If he somehow didn't intend to resign, I have a very hard time believing he wouldn't have said something. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Since when does Akin care for being schismatic? I heard him talk about Protestantism as indifferent as can be.

What a joke. "If you use bribery to get elected, it is still a valid election, it just invalidates the bribery" 😂😂😂😂😂😭

Sedevacantism has been defined as a particular theological position and group that the see has been vacant since Pius XII. It is not intellectuallly honest to say that those who believe that the see is vacant since Benedict XVI are the same. That the see is vacant since pre-Vatican II is one group. That the see is vacant because of Benedict is another. You can't use a theological name already defined for a particular postion/ group for another group.

I think calling into question weather the pope is catholic is a valid question

Prayed in my Rosary! Thanks for yesterday's episode with John Doyle. It was good. However, the Jimmy Akin episode is my favorite of the year besides the Dr. Carrie Gress one. Please keep making segments! And please keep bringing Jimmy on! Thank you! Hope you and your family has a light-filled peaceful good day.

We don't say "schism" anymore... we say people are in an "irregular" relationship with the Church.

Oh boy, that thumbnail is going to attract some sedes to the comment section lol

The multiverse theory, which encompasses diverse iterations of Mary and Jesus, (this theory is completely anti-Catholic) is endorsed by Jimmy Akins. Nevertheless, his dismissal of fundamental Catholic tenets and the catechism disqualifies him from being a reliable authority on what constitutes Catholicism. I will offer prayers for his conversion.

If you read Vatican II, you’ll see that even Schismatic and Protestant sects are “means of salvation” (which is heresy) : so if you adhere to Vatican II, why do you think being schismatic is bad? Bergoglio said in his official “magisterium” that we should “esteem the indigenous mysticism”, so why are you mad at sedevacantists? Do you believe that Francis (Bergoglio) is pope (and therefore infallible in his judgments on faith and morals)? : "Now, all that is contained in the Holy Scriptures and in tradition, and all that is proposed by the Church as divinely revealed truth, either by solemn judgment or by her ordinary and universal magisterium, is to be believed with divine and catholic faith." (Dei Filius, Vatican I) = do you believe with divine and catholic faith all that Bergoglio teaches in his ordinary magisterium (Amoris Laetitiae, Querieda Amazonia, etc)? "To Peter the Prince of the Apostles, the divine Founder of the Church attributed the gifts of inerrancy in matters of faith and union with God." (Principi Apostorum Petro, Benedict XV) = does Bergoglio and his predecessors have this gift of inerrancy in matter of faith and union with God? "For the sake of faith and the rule of morals, God has made the Church part of His divine Magisterium and has granted her the divine privilege of not knowing error. This is why she is the great and sure teacher of men, and has an inviolable right to freedom of teaching. (Libertas Praestantissimum, Leo XIII) = Bergoglio and his predecessors have the divine privilege of not knowing error? "It is for this reason that, by the virtue of His prayers, Jesus Christ Our Lord obtained for Peter that, in the exercise of his power, his faith should never fail" (Satis Cognitum, Leo XIII) = Bergoglio’s faith never failed? And a few quotes from saints: Saint Alphonsus de Liguori (The Supreme Pontificate): "Those who introduce plague and ruin into the Church, who deny that the Roman Pontiff is the successor of Peter as regards authority in matters of faith and doctrine, or who affirm that the supreme Pastor of the Church, whoever he may be, can err in his judgments on matters of faith." Saint Robert Bellarmine (De Romano Pontifice, chapter 3): "The Supreme Pontiff cannot err in any way when he teaches the Church in matters of faith." Saint John Bosco (The General Councils and the Catholic Church): "It is therefore impossible for the Pope in matters of Faith to teach error, for it is impossible for Jesus Christ to lie, or to be unable to keep His promises." Let's be consistent with the Holy Catholic Faith that the Lord passed on to us through His Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and which has been faithfully preserved by all the legitimate successors of Saint Peter. To say that John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis are popes would be a great offense to Our Lord and His most Pure and Immaculate Church, or else it would mean that the Church has failed, which is a terrible blasphemy. If Francis is not Pope (like his predecessors since John XXIII), then it is perfectly logical and pleasing to God to refute his errors, to recognize the invalidity of the sacraments instituted after Vatican II (apart from baptism and marriage), and to attend "non una cum" Masses ("not in communion" with Francis) because, to introduce the name of a notorious heretic into the Canon of the Mass is a sacrilege and a lie. Only "non una cum" Masses are pleasing to God, for they are the only ones that do not soil the Immaculate Lamb, the Bread of Angels, by adulterous communion with individuals who, concretely, do not have the Holy Catholic Faith.

Did we cover people who think Francis is not pope on the basis of he's a heretic? (Francis is not the pope because he's a heretic) I just wanna know whether to sit through a 45 hour interview or not. Thanks!

"If you refuse communion with those who are in communion with the Roman Pontiff" I'm curious whether or not this covers a lot more kinds of people than we might initially think. There are a lot of people out there who think Mass of Paul VI Catholics (normal Catholics) are untouchable.

All I know is that the teachings, laws and Commandments never, never, ever changed to fit the agenda of godless people who want to changed it to fit the agenda of satan who is the master of lies, falsehood, darkness and deceit. God Almighty help us all Catholics to continue defending the truth. Viva Cristo Rey.

I love these interviews. Thanks for the great work Matt. Excellent camera setup BTW.

One of the hardest lessons in Catholicism is the Pope you get is not always the Pope you want but IS always the Pope God has chosen for His purposes. So even if you hate the current pope you cannot argue that he is not the Pope God intended. That said His reasons and the implications of our current pope deeply concern me. It has some pretty stark implications for what's coming in the future. Have your lamp oil ready.

If you cannot defend the pope’s authority then you cannot defend the faith. Be Catholic and submit to the pope. Stop reading headlines and watching shorts. Renounce sin and become virtuous. Once you have done that , read all Vatican documents on your own and reason from the text. Ignore your hearts sinful desires and trust in the sacred heart of Jesus.

Great clip, great clarification!

The sede vacantist I know is crazy! Down that road lies madness!

According to the modernists and semi-modernists, the only group that is truly schismatic and in error are those unwilling to compromise Catholic doctrine.

You asked me to leave a comment so here it is .. This was weak, straw man argument. Mr Akin didn't represent the Sede view accurately ONE LITTLE BIT. I predict with some certainty you will never again have Br. Diamond on again because he defends Sede position with well established Catholic ex cathedra papel teachings and teachings from the saints (like St. Robert Bellarmine). I have to admit I watch this podcast less and less due to these flagrant mis representations on this, the single most important issue of our faith. Here's a video link that describes the Sede view and the peace the Lord gives us with his truth. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rbuSgLZh0afDpHU.htmlsi=4lYcKIrljFo-mARl

I asked Jimmy Akin a question on the "Catholics Answers" livestream on March 3rd, 2023 (@ the 1:25:26 mark) on how, in Acts 8:21, St. Peter judged the heart of Simon the first heretic as not being right in the sight of God, thus proving that Catholics in the state of grace can judge those who dissent from the teaching of the Church (thereby oblitering post-Vatican II nonsense about our supposed inability to discern the heart regardless of the person's external works). He responded by basically saying, "Well, St. Peter as an inspired Apostle was either given a supernatural revelation or he was basing this decision on the underdeveloped psychology of the ancient world and may have been wrong here". The text was clearly stating that St. Peter was in the right, so his only seemingly coherent defense is that St. Peter was given special revelation to discern Simon's state of heart in the sight of God, yet that is nowhere stated in the text. It serves as a microcosm example of how the Church deals with unbelievers which is consistently radiated down through the centuries (just read Denzinger for an hour and you'll see that). So rather than reject the modernism of the age, he would rather call into question the accuracy of St. Peter and the Bible. That's modernism in a nutshell.

"Is the pope Catholic?" This question speaks a fundamental truth about the pope even non-Catholics understand: in order to be pope he must be Catholic. To be Catholic means you hold the Catholic Faith WHOLE and INVIOLATE. WHOLE means you believe all of the teachings of the Church without rejecting a single point of doctrine. INVIOLATE means you believe all of the teachings of the Church without changing the meaning of the teachings. Do you believe jorge bergoglio holds the Catholic Faith WHOLE and INVIOLATE?

Aikin acts like the whole situation with b16 was no problem.

At the end of this he said something interesting. If you reject Communion with the Pope, or any part of the Church in Communion wth Him, you are in a state of ecommunication. So if somebody rejects a part of the Church because of a Missal or Rite aid they do not like, that rejection excommunicates one from the Church.

I thought that you can automatically excommunicate your self “latae sentiaate”. And you don’t have to go through a canonical process…?

Thanks much for this video.

A sede is simply someone who refuses to change religions, and chooses to remain faithful to all Catholic doctrine taught by Jesus Christ and His Magisterium for 1958 years. So who are the schismatics: those who remain faithful to Gospel and New Testament teaching, or those who preach a new Gospel, e.g. Vatican II?

@JimmyAkin knows andrea cionci's work and his book?

"Don't bring up Coffin, don't bring up Coffin, don't bring up Coffin..."

One of the serious problems with Benedict's resignation though, was his insistence on the bifurcation of the papacy, as if his successor were an active pope and he himself was a pope of contemplation or the same minister but only thought the capacity of spiritual prayer and support. And that's the problem, it's not right, that's where the most amount of confusion is coming from, but it seems like something that Francis has floated as if he also supposes as a potentially legitimate way of "resigning" (When he said he wouldn't resign, but he would be willing to retire, as if one can be a quasi-pope, or offer a semi-resignation from the papacy). The fact that Benedict misunderstood this is a problem, the fact that Francis seems to be carrying on the same misunderstanding is also potentially problematic. We need to answer that issue.

I think the main thing people are struggling with is the perceived contempt that certain generations of clerics display for Church orthodox teaching, cultural heritage and church history. This manifests as what appears to be "ecumanism" in the pastoral doctrine but manifests ultimately as unbelief in the supremacy and truth of the Catholic faith. Tragically you see this manifest in the sacramental life as disinterest in sacraments like reconciliation, baptism, and the unbelief in the eucarist. I think sedecavantism as an idea in the minds of many lay faithful is nothing more than them trying to reconcile that disonance. I'm reminded of this verse: Mathew 12: 25-28 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. This is not to claim anyone is a demon. Only to understand opposing forces and effect. Maybe this verse can help us all to understand the effects of our own actions and those of others. I don't have an answer, only have lived with the conflict within the church my entire adult life. I'm extremely confident in our Catholic Church and even optimistic out of not only faith but looking at trends. I think in the next 5 years we will turn the corner in the west and see a revival, and I think laity have done most of the leg work on this over the past decade and have infused new generations of Clerics to be on fire for the Lord. It was one such amazing young priest who served my family so well during the covid lock downs. God Bless.

Do the current sede's have any way of reconciling in their mind outside of a conclave? I mean bishops are only valid bishops by the determination of the pope... What happens when those that were ordained by the last "valid" pope die?

A question, why did Pope Bendict XVl continue to wear the white of a Pope? Why did he decide to continue to be addressed as, "Your Holiness? Why did he continue to sign his name as ,"Pope Benedict XVl PP"? Also why not a program as to why Bergoglio was not validly elected according to the Binding Rules of a Conclave?

I bet Jimmy is heartbroken seeing his old CA pal Pat Coffin go down this path.

This subject is complicated, but all I know is the Catholic Church NEEDS UNITY.

We cannot enter schism, regardless of SOME of these groups’ good intentions, which I believe they have. We cannot "flee" what is left of the visible church. God does not need us to create grassroots churches and break from the teaching of His Church- we must be humble and not despair. If the church survived the Arian heresy or the 8 years of the reign of anti-pope Anacletus II, or the papacy of John XII who praised satan and admired pagan gods (Jupiter)- it will survive the end times and the heresy of modernism (the synthesis of all heresies) and Francis. God does not need grassroots "traditional" churches without the Four Marks of the Church (One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic). God gave us the four marks to identify His Church- certainly, the Catholic Church remains in the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church- they elect their own Patriarchs, and bishops and have their own canon law, separate from the Western/Roman hierarchy- regardless of the imperfections of men and the many attacks they suffer under satan's influence. God promised a VISIBLE church under His authority and that the gates of hell will not prevail, through the end of the world- though there might be few remaining (a remnant)- certainly God will decide the actual number of the remaining remnant, not you or I. Eastern Rite Catholics are 16 million compared to 1.2 billion Roman Rite Catholics. Remember the Four Marks are four separate dogmas of the Catholic Church which we must believe to remain Catholic. Who has the Four Marks is not up for interpretation- grass-root traditional chapels without authority (or the same beliefs for that matter) are not Catholic, regardless of good intentions, these churches are outside the Catholic Church. The Church never left us, and traditional communities have zero authority to declare it gone and declare themselves the Catholic Church, which changes from one traditional community to another- SSPV, SSPX, CMRI, Gertrude boys, Feeneyites, Sanborn group, various independent groups, etc etc etc.... - which would be apostatizing if they did. Certainly, we cannot claim that the traditional churches that grew out of zero authority somehow claim that authority. If you do claim that- which one is right and what authority are they all following? God humbled me and in humility, you find direction and truth- the Church (what is left of it) provides the Truth under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Why create your own church and "traditional" communities when God still provides and as if God needs it? St. Athanasius who was exiled 5 times, called a heretic, deposed, detracted, etc.-he did not fall into despair and make his own church even when it looked seemingly that the pope was favoring heresy. He did not make bishops, he did not open churches- he prayed, fasted, and put his hope in God- even when 90% of Catholic leadership was actually schismatic and Arian. I always found it amusing that traditionalists (including myself for a time) will speak of doctrine- but ignore dogmas, CHARITY, the Gospel, authority, promises by Jesus, the Four Marks, etc. The problem is traditionalists are just like the Nestorians, Arians, Old Catholics, and Orthodox of yesterday and today (all of which were started by overzealous, despairing, and power-hungry Catholics). They all, in their misguided zeal, and maybe with good intentions- broke from the church to "save it"- yet, in the end, they all became fractured and believed different things from church to church- the difference in beliefs between the multiple Orthodox churches is innumerable and Old Catholics today now have female bishops. Traditionalist groups all condemn each other and now that the first generation is gone, they all believe in something different, make up their own mortal sins yet disregard others- they are schismatic sects. "The great sign of the demonic is scattering. God is a great gathering force. Whenever things come together, when a community forms, that is a sign of the Holy Spirit. The scattering power is a sign of the darker powers. When families get scattered, when business organizations, communities, and cultures get divided, that comes from the demonic." Obviously, all the traditional groups continue to splinter and splinter, and they all think they are right- yet they are not- God is right and we must submit- not to heresy, not to evil, but to His promises, the indefectible Dogmas of the Catholic Faith and the Holy Words of the Gospels. Humility, prayer, and fasting are our refuge. The Japanese who had no sacraments for over 200 years after the emperor outlawed Catholicism-did not start their own underground church. All the Japanese had were catechists. All they had for sacraments was Baptism and Marriage. Yet, when priests were allowed to return to Japan, they still had the Catholic Faith. God will protect His own. Traditionalists (including myself) fail (failed) to have the faith of these men, women, and children of yesterday. The traditional movement was born out of the sin of despair. We are in just a spec of time- we will get through Francis (and the rest of the Western Church) and every other evil that comes our way with total faith, trust, and abandonment in Jesus. Remember- "Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:22-23) This is for ALL culpable people who claim they follow Christ and follow their own doctrine instead of the words of Christ. "Neither on account of the Pharisees, to whom you maliciously compare us, did our Lord command the chair of Moses to be forsaken; (in which chair he verily figured his own) for he warned the people to do what they say, and not what they do, and that the holiness of the chair be in no case forsaken, nor the unity of the flock divided, on account of the wicked lives of the pastors."-Commentary from Haydock Bible. We must trust in the ways of Jesus. In His humility, He did not tell the people to ignore the valid precepts of these corrupt leaders, but insisted they listen to all that was good. Jesus corrected these Jewish leaders, and most did not listen. God the Father allowed His Son to be Crucified under their corruption, yet never did Jesus preach to break from the Faith as an answer. Traditionalism is breaking from the Faith. In the lifetime of Jesus, the King of the Jews, Herod, was assigned by the Roman Emperor, nor was he truly Jewish. Caiaphas bought his “High Priesthood”, and the Sanhedrin was corrupt with false teachings and a desire for political gain and prestige. With all of this being a reality, Jesus still preached in the Synagogues and did not declare them as false leaders to be deposed. He corrected them, prayed for them, and asked the Eternal Father to forgive them. We must follow this example if we want to be saved. God allowed these men to hold their positions, however corrupt they may be. This suffering was allowed for our purification and for our eyes to be opened to our own sins. Francis will be declared as an antipope, most likely many years from now as many antipopes were declared after their deaths. Sedevacantism, other misguided theological theories, and schism are not and cannot be the answer. Jesus has spoken. We are held to the Four Marks of the Church whether we like it or not; It is part of the Deposit of Faith, which makes it incontestable, Christ is the true head of the Catholic Church, not the new Caiaphas. ALSO- it should be noted that the Catholic Church never condemned the masses or the people who went to them where the name of an anti-pope was included in the Mass, as in the 8-year case of Anti-pope Anacletus II. These are times of confusion, and the Catholic church is a mother- the Catholic Church knows we have zero authority to declare anything, and this judgment will fall on the hierarchy and the usurpers- so it is very important to pray for the 6 Eastern Patriarchs and the remaining faithful Western Clergy. Many saints, including St. Vincent Ferrer himself, put the wrong name (of the Anti-Pope) in the Mass and defended doing so for a time. Once the AUTHORITY of the Church spoke, he did as the Bride of Christ told him to do. The Church never condemned his masses, nor him. In fact, he was declared a saint regardless of his temporary blindness as a well-renowned miraculous priest. That formal declaration has not come for us yet, but it will come one day- either in a restored and smaller church or at the end of the world. But even at the end of the world- The Catholic Church will be there carrying the necessary Four Marks, something traditional groups will never be able to claim.

I am thinking of a particular priest who became popular during covid who claims you can't be a democrat and Catholic, and a lay-person who used to work at Catholic Answers in particular who need our prayers to repent, confess, and come back into full communion with the church. They should also submit themselves publicly to the Holy Roman Pontiff who was validly elected, since they are so public about not accepting Pope Francis as the rightful Pope.

Dont they also believe that the sacraments after v2 are invalid?

Sedevacantists in my opinion is the only way to stay catholic if you follow the new religion that has developed since Vatican 2 your not staying true to the historical teachings and practices of the catholic faith. This is just my opinion but I can’t follow Francis and Vatican 2 and feel in my heart that I’m a catholic. God bless everyone

Is patrick the caller ? 😂

Can we get a debate between Jimmy Akin and the former CA guy?

I came back to the Church after 40 years as an Evangelical. I love the Mass, I love the Eucharist. All this and I’ve found that in bits and pieces I will always be a bit Evangelical and a bit Orthodox (filoque). I truly believe that that is good. I found the Church to have a stifling bureaucracy in Rome. Also, Catholics argue about the jot and tittle rather than the important call that Christ gave to the Church. When the Church stops looking to fit in with the “cultural sin du jour” (blessing of same sex couples) and begins to excommunicate politicians who promote abortion with gusto, maybe then it will be the Church that Christ called it to be. I think Mother Theresa would have been a great Pope. 😮😉 She knew and practiced what we are called to be as members of the Church.

How about SSPX? What is their status?

I think this Jimmy Akin will be my next candidate for the papacy. Pope Benedict was ready to retire on his first day when most of those bald headed bishop at the curia gave him a stern look from head to toe as he was passing by so why wouldn't he declared himself Pope Emeritus to get out fully from his responsibilities. Jimmy Akin solved my question that there might be some people at headquarters as well as around us here who thinks we the laity are that stupid so they try to inject fear in us hoping that 1.4 billion CC will scatter themselves and divide.

PP Francis teaches that God "wills the diversity of religions" and that "no one can exclude themselves from the Church". Please obey PP Francis on the matter of schism about which he teaches that no one is excluded from the Church. “No one can exclude themselves from the Church, we are all saved sinners...those who have denied the faith, who are apostates, who are the persecutors of the Church, who have denied their baptism: Are these also at home?...Yes, these too. All of them. The blasphemers, all of them. We are brothers. This is the communion of saints. The communion of saints holds together the community of believers on earth and in heaven, and on earth the saints, the sinners, all." -PP Francis February 2, 2022 Vatican weekly wednesday general audience

We get the Pope we DESERVE 😢

I've conversed with priests of Sspx; sedevacantist( Brothers- mhfm and Priests -cmri ); benevacantists and Novus Ordo ; reverent Novus Ordo; and a Benedictine Monk ( great guy who loves the Faith but a Feeneyite ) *I got to the point of talking to 2 Orthodox priests and understand their view of Roman Catholicism( I'm still Roman Catholic - LORD willing I am) My personal conclusion is that universal ordinary magisterium is split into at least 5+ minds. Is The Church in an eclipse? No doubt it is. It's bishop against bishop. I tried to defend one side and the other but it's impossible. *Only the Rosary sorta connects us. It's better that nothing.

This is all more and more crazy. How we did this from just 2 commandments? So many rules

I’m very thankful for Jimmy’s clarity on the matter.

He has no authority to give up the papacy. If the office is special and all that, you only abandon it at death regardless of what Benedict thought he was doing.

I’m Catholic & I’m with the Diamond brothers. Doesn’t mean I’m any less Catholic when recognizing that Vatican II IS THE COUNTER CHURCH- WHITE HATS AND BLACK HATS .. IM WITH PETERS ROCK..

I’m of the opinion that Benedict was still Pope after his resignation, but that Francis became Pope as soon as Benedict died. I’m just skeptical that resignation is even possible. Is there really just a combination of words that when said remove your powers as pontiff? I find that hard to believe. I see the pontificate as a covenant, like marriage, that is indissoluble, that can’t be “annulled” just by saying you’re done. It can only end with death.

Just interview someone who holds the ‘22 interregnumist position for goodness sake Matt!! Jimmy doesn’t know what he’s taking about with this. Benedict did not abdicate the munus petrinum in accordance with canon 332.2. He resigned de facto the active exercise of the ministry (ministerium of bishop of Rome) which led to a de jure impeded see (canons 412 and 335) from 2013 to his death in 2022 when the See became vacant. One of the quotes from Benedict which support this thesis is “No Pope has resigned in a thousand years, it was an exception in the first millennium of the papacy” now either Benedict was wrong since the last abdication was in 1415, or his resignation is not an abdication, which would make sense since in 1013 Benedict VIII resigned the ministerium and fled Rome yet REMAINED Pope.

I'm not a sede, but this is awful. Jimmy Akin's made up Magisterium.

The Vatican II church constantly praises and affirms schismatics of every stripe. Your own religion betrays you.

After personal experience I realize sedes and SSPX correct that Faustina ‘divine mercy’ devotion is demonic 💯 Hard to believe Seat of Peter (Mt 16:18; 23:2) empty though, so I gotta side w SSPX

STILL trying to damage control after that beating Cassman took! I’d like to see Jimmy Akin go against Br. Peter and see how long he lasts!

Like the pope or not, he is the pope. Cope and seethe and trust in the Holy Spirit.

Now this I can give a hearty Amen Amen Amen! If you are not subjecting yourself to Christ by being in communion with the person of Peter in the current Holy Father, get there! Blessings!

_"you can you can reinterpret what __1:07__ anybody says if you get to make up the __1:11__ rules but this is another case of __1:14__ reading a text contrary to the intention __1:18__ of its author"_ Genesis 1 though 11. CCC § 283. CCC §§ around 390. You have pretty much summed up what three of _your_ "Popes" (counting since 1992 when that "catechism" came out) did to Moses.

That’s great

PWA, Catholic Answers STILL coping 😂

I don't believe that Benedict xvi was the last Pope, I KNOW that he was the last pope. Yes, I am a sedevacantist since December 31, 2022 and I am not subjected, thank God, to the impostor that sits in the chair of Peter. I do attend Mass and Take the Eucharist on my knees and mouth on a Novus Ordus Mass said reverently enough. I know that the Holy Mother Church won't be with no visible head for long time, I know things are about to change soon, of course, I do not know the exact month or year but I am ok with that. I have zero confusion and anguish. I feel and pray for the millions of catholics that believe that Jorge Mario Bergoglio has been a real Pope all these 11 years, distracted catholics that think they have a spiritual father in this man and they still think he all he has done with the help and inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is coming soon!

Are you?

And Jimmy Akin says....nothing. I love the "there are attempts..." no, there are arguments people make. They are either arguments that hold up or don't. All this greasing of the skids with biased descriptives makes Akin's position come off as protective and tenuous. Akin is also promoting a sort of Rahnerian "anonymous schismatic" If a person unknowingly subjects himself to the wrong man whom he believes to be Pope, he's not schismatic. He's in error. St. Vincent Ferrer wasn't a schismatic when he followed and supported an anti-pope. Consequently if say a future Pope declares Francis to be invalid and an anti-Pope, the people who believed he was Pope were not schismatic. And if a Pope incorrectly declares a Pope invalid, like Stephen's judgment against Formosus that doesn't make the people that believed the Pope's error schismatic or the ones that disbelieve the Pope's error as schismatic.

Congratulations I guess. But I was more than willing to help.

If diamond is sedavacantist, then matt or jimmy, debate.brother on liturgy, escotology, and so fourth etc if you claim your a REAL catholic. The novus ordo, the lavender mafia, francis actions, id like to you defend that. After all whats the harm

No- they’re not schismatic.

The Pope is a very poor pope, but a pope nevertheless

From the beginning, using complicated words and then attacking a subject that is worthy of discussion and will be from great theologians for years to come. That’s why I stopped listening to “Catholic answers” Patric Coffin only asks tough questions that many other Catholics that don’t fear truth are asking. But some continue to hide, like in 2020 and still haven’t discussed tough questions about the reactions of the hierarchy then and now. I guess discussing suspension of good priest and Bishops is off the table as well. Wow !

Jimmy is usually steeped in brilliant detail, excellent premises, and shows his metaphoric work. Not so here. Canon law disagrees with Jimmy. John Paul II, God blessed and saintly pope that he was, made politicing in conclave grounds for immediate latae sententiae excommunication for all involved. Cardinal Daneels explicitly wrote that he and others did just that. Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio stated publicly in video remarks that he did. Take the author's intention at face value. Yhey claimed to do EXACTLY what results in immediate, non-trial, excommunication. Where's the opposite valid argument? I would like to hear it but Jimmy hasn't done it. He gives it a glib, one word, invective attack. Very un-Jimmy of him. What he expressed here is not good reasoning, whatever side he's on.

Don't listen to this guy; he doesn't know what he's talking about re: schism. Schism is when somebody rejects in principle the idea of a pope. I.e., the Orthodox churches (which the ecumenical conciliar church falls over backwards to placate) or somebody like King Henry VIII. A person who has a different idea about who is actually pope (e.g., St. Vincent Ferrer) or who believes the See is vacant for one reason or the other, is not in schism. (I happen to believe Francis is pope. A bad pope, yes, but the Church has had them in the past, so it is possible.)

I am seriously thinking about becoming a Catholic. The current pope is an obstacle

Pope Benedict never wrote anything in which he stated, 'I hereby resign'. The only thing he wrote was a statement stating that he would resign in the future. That is not a resignation according to Canon law or even the plain use of language. And of course after the 'conclave' Pope Benedict continued to act as though he had not fully resigned the papacy.

"Okay, God, you allowed that Pope to be elected, but I don't agree with it. Therefore, he cannot be considered Peter's successor."

Day 5 asking Matt Fradd to invite Francis Chan to PWA

Sedevacantists remind me of those self righteous pedantic Jews who were constantly calling into question Christ's actions concerning the law. Lesson for sedevacantists concerning the validity of the NO Mass; Matthew22:19 How blind you are! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 So whoever swears by the altar, swears by it and by everything on it; 21 and whoever swears by the sanctuary, swears by it and by the one who dwells in it; 22 and whoever swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by the one who is seated upon it. By calling into question the validity of the liturgy which gives us the Body of Christ, you are clearly calling into question the consecration itself and are no better than protestants who deny the real presence. Clearly the, 'gift/eucharist,' in this case is greater than the, 'altar/liturgy,' but we're not to lose site of what has made the eucharist sacred in the first place. Those who deny this reality will be answerable to God.

Pope Francis is the valid Pope. He may not be doing a great job, but he is our Holy Father.

Listening to all this makes me realize how much outside the Bible Catholicism really is.

Sort a legalisitic argument being made regarding Benedict XVI's badly worded and mangled resignation. The same standard isn't applied to Pope's who bound error because they were determined to have been under coercive force. But applying Akin's standard, the Catholic Church failed. A reasonable standard would be, there are questions, valid ones raised against whether Benedict XVI actually resigned. Attempting to split the Petrine ministry, keeping the papal name, wearing white papal garments. A whole host of confusing communications. Benedict XVI could have lost the papacy by actually trying to split the Petrine ministry is even another layer. Those are the facts and Akin just doesn't seem to like that we are in confusing and unclear times.

Pope Francis is the greatest Christian ✝️ in our time

A bad pope is different to a prefered one.....a pope is chosen by God not by a man preference Where Jesus is there is Catholic Church

This is a strawman argument. You have to go deep into what Benedict XVI' theology. From his writing and what Benedict XVI said, we can infer that he believes becoming a Pope enters one's being, as if it leaves a sacramental character and therefore doesn't leave him. Thus he might have thought he held the papacy in some capacity in a more passive way while in spiritual retirement.

All Aiken is doing is burning the entire credibility of Jesus to the ground. If bergoglio is a "valid" pope then the Promise of Jesus to protect the Church from the gates of hell has obviously failed. Aiken's arguements just destroy all of the Christian and Catholic supernatural claims.

Benedict knew the proper form of a resignation. Who is the guy who wears white, lives in the Vatican, wears red shoes and the papal ring, and gives apostolic blessings? That guy is the pope. There is no such thing as a “pope emeritus.” Who is the guy who denies hell exists or hopes it is empty, processes pagan idols into St. Peter’s Basilica, and authorizes the blessing of sinful relationships? That guy is not the pope. You cannot be elected pope while there still is a living pope, even if he calls himself a “pope emeritus,” and believes he has only resigned the ministry but not the office of the pope. Benedict believed a man remains pope even after he resigns the papacy. That is an error. And that error in belief led to an invalid resignation. Bergoglio never intended to accept the duties of a pope (the defense of the traditions of the faith) when he accepted the papacy. He intended to change the Church’s teaching in a revolution. That means he cannot be a valid pope, even if you think Benedict’s resignation was valid, which clearly, it was not. There are so many ways Bergoglio is believed not to be pope. That’s because he isn’t pope. Despite all of these serious concerns about the validity of his papacy, some people actually claim that he is pope by “universal and peaceful acceptance,” which is laughable.

Francis is "pope" of the Vatican 2 sect, not the Catholic Church.