The "Black Legend" ( I'am 40 yr Protestant, until I converted to Roman Catholicism) travels at the speed of light..the truth I found travels slower....must be patient.

same, a bit sad about it. I went to Catholic school from 1st to 12th grade too.

Same. It's why I'm making sure my kids get a taste of everything the church offers. We have access to NO, TLM and Byzantine liturgy in our town so we go to all of them and just emerse our kids in it.

I'm new to the Catholic faith (I did RCIA and was confirmed last year), and it has been shocking to learn that the majority of Catholics don't seem to understand their faith at all. Just a few years ago I was an atheist, but now, as a new Christian, I know more theology than Catholics who've been in the faith since childhood.

No its how much you want to learn, the catholic church teachings are massive

on god bro

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I would switch back and forth…best of both worlds 😉

So, are you going to accept Thomism or Palamism? The Roman Church typically wouldn't let you know that, but those are actually contradictory theologies. It's the question of created Grace vs Grace as an uncreated energy of proper to God. The Roman Church essentially ignores that issue and says your theology doesn't really matter as long as you have allegiance to the papal office. They don't say that outright obviously, but that's what everything points to. The Orthodox Church also allows a Western Rite (but only Tridentine, none of the Novus Ordo stuff), but not two different theologies. You should look into it and be honest with yourself, but I think it boils down to whether you value tradition and theology more, or the universal jurisdiction of the pope. My problem with Eastern Catholic churches is that they treat what we call Orthodoxy as an aesthetic feature, which it isn't. If you step into an Orthodox Church, everything has meaning, everything has a point of reference that is ascribed to it. Our reverence is not an aesthetic thing, it's at the core of how we view Christianity.

you're always welcome from a Melkite Catholic

Please pray for me, Rick Johnson... Ask the LORD to heal me, and restore my health... ❤️

Just ordered the book. It will be the first book on my 2023 reading list. Looking forward to it.

Much respekt to you Brother or sister, your people are the truth!!!

Anaphora of Addai-Mari

I hold it Francis is head of the Novus Ordo Church not the Roman Rite Church that came down the line from the Apostles. No Church was like the Tridentine Rite it had the Greatest Saints. Unfortunately Novus Ordo Laity are more like Rats following a Pied Piper rather than Sheep following their Shepherd.

I'm here trying to do the same. I'm RC but I've had a recent fascination with eastern Christianity

Yeah me too but it’s because of the Eucharist where you get both the bread and wine and not just the bread. If maybe they would dip the bread in the wine when receiving I’d be ok with that.

A year later, but, look up Fr. Dave Abernethy's Philokalia Ministries podcast. He delves into the practices and teachings of the Philokalia which will help you start praying and utilizing watchfulness to live that Eastern spirituality. Also, just get some icons. That's what I started with and have now returned to.

Try the ByzCath forums, plus the Eastern Catholic subreddit. There are also a number of Byzantine Catholic Churches that stream their Divine Liturgies online so you can attend from a distance.

@@thomasbegley630 It's called intinction (where you dip the host in the wine) and Roman Catholic churches have the option to do so but it's super rare. My church does it but only if you get communion at the communion rail (yes they still have one but it's optional).

Please spell the app for me. Can't find it. Thanks

@@minisinthehallshorts Catena

Go to a Latin mass and you’ll be like .0.

@@mcspankey4810 id love to... the nearest one is 3 hours away.

May I suggest you stick with the massive disappointment of Eastern Orthodoxy...... being drawn to the clarity, logic and brightness of traditional Catholicism is actually a fairly normal part of being Orthodox, you need a good spiritual father to talk with about this... Also before you look at Byzantine Catholicism, see it at work in Eastern Europe, side by side with Orthodoxy, it may leave you feeling uncomfortable. I am not denigrating the great work of Matt and Mother Natalia, they have their work to do in Christ, I just sense that whatever you are feeling right now is part of your journey deeper into Orthodoxy.

May I suggest pursuing the clarity and brightness of Catholicism. Despite certain liturgical reforms, our traditional liturgy is very much alive! Don't be offput by the presence of the novus ordo when there are other options within Catholicism. And don't listen to people here who say it doesn't matter or that sticking with Orthodoxy is just as good. Put your search for truth above all else and act accordingly. God resides with the faithful, and faith requires truth.

@Hyperborean Futurism And exactly what heresy?...

Likewise *Edit* The app is called "Catena"

@@InhabitantOfOddworld much appreciated and God Bless You☦️

It's called a chotki, you could probably buy it online.

I bought mine from Etsy. It was tailor-made, knot-wise, to fit my wrist. The seller was out of Greece.

Off the top of my head, I think it's soon after Nicea. The explanation I was given was that since the legalization of Christianity, there was no (or at least no state sponsored martyrdom). As a result, many saints sought a way to still find the unworldly, detached life. The Desert Fathers like St. Anthony of Egypt did this by living far away from cities that might give rise to sin and worldliness. Just looked it up. It seems to hover right around that pre-post Constantine era

Eastern Catholics are in Communion with the Bishop of Rome (the Pope) Eastern Orthodox Christians are not. Both are great branches of Christianity, and Byzantine culture is amazing.

The Orthodox Church is the only true church established by Christ. There is no such thing as branches, Christs body isn’t divided. The eastern Catholics folded and sold them selfs out for money and went under the Papists. They want to live and breath orthodoxy but want to call them selves Catholics. Terrible delusion.

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Mary of Jesus of Ágreda

Wonderful book, and one of my faves (as my names suggests) but it's not Eastern Catholic. :)

I know I'm late but Mr is short for Mother. I got confused too 😂

No! The Eastern Catholic churches are fully in communion with the Holy See! There are 23 Eastern Catholic churches.

They just have a stronger mentality to the traditions, they don't sell their souls, if the pope talks more about rainbow flags than lent.. You know true believers

Wrong

@OrthodoxyChloroQuine Yes

@OrthodoxyChloroQuine Please Provide where Rome currently says its heretical. Because from my memory, Saint John Paul II encouraged Prayers to Saint Gregory Palamas. At the end of the day, it was misunderstanding between both Churches

@@dwightschrute900Because every disagreement is just a misunderstanding in your Postmodern worldview. Who’s Holy Fathers were in delusion?

@@dwightschrute900 I have many friends who are a\ part of latin rite and they actually condemn St.Gregory Palamas and his writings as heretical and eastern catholics are actually hold his veneration individually.

Oh, yeah. St. Anthony started the tradition.

Most of them, but the desert also means fighting passions and other similar things

Not everyone is an Airbender

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The first tide (generation) of the monastic life was the fathers of the desert. And still the monks live in the desert, i mean not all of them, but there are many still living in the desert.

Cope and seethe, jew

Coping and larping into Paradise lol

​@@hempenasphalt1587 lol, nice.

@@InhabitantOfOddworldNice response! Call the grabblers out, especially making a mockery of the True Faith.

Why ?