I agree. More navel swords ( and not just British ones ) would be great !

Indeed, i'm myself very interested in naval equipment as well as naval warfare in general, especially in the napoleonic era.

Well, what he said was true, it's just that Napoléon 3 wasn't that great of a general compared to his great uncle

Not even that, it's just that France in the 1860-70 was not prepared for war on the continent. Meanwhile Prussia had been invading it's Germanic neighbors for quite some time and got the help of the entire German federation whereas France did not receive the help it expected (from Russia, Austria and maybe the UK). What he says is true, but he is speaking of the early XIXth century, by 1870 the situation had drastically changed. Napoleon the third was not so much an incompetent general as Moltke was an excellent one.

Ἀντίγονος Τελικά οι Έλληνες είμαστε πραγματικά παντού ;)

Chaos I am not Greek, I'm afraid. I read ancient Greek so my modern Greek is only patchy.

Ἀντίγονος oh its just that you have an ancient greek name so that got confused still thumbs up for learning ancient Greek.

Avatrass So long as "doing a masters degree" counts as alive, yeah

Conversely, especially in winter, lack of cutting depth would be disadvantageous against thick clothes/coats.

They were roll forged with some touch up hammering and straightening done manually then ground by hand on special grinding wheels some of them six feet in diameter or more and finally polished on felt wheels charged with different grit grades each until the specified finish was achieved.

T-spine are very common on kyber knives and Pesh Kabz. Also some Jambya feature them. They are all excellent thrusters, although the Kyber knife was used mostly for slashing.

I think rolling a bar thinner before grinding it into shape is cheaper than hammering it to a distal taper. That most likely translates to a even more complicated T-spine.

This shape of the blade comes from the territory of Austria, Polish officers from the time of the November Uprising had sabers with such a blade shape, e.g. the saber of general Jan Tomicki, more in ...szablotłuk polski

Super common in Hungarian fencing, and also quite present in Italo-Hungarian. I'd have to crack the manuals open to see if it's explicit within the Neapolitan itself.

Some were, but usually it was just a very thick spine before the break in the back that became super thin especially in the wide parts.

If you have a blade-rolling machine, which is what they were using after about 1860, then there is no difference. Though I suspect that there were more warping problems during heat treatment with pipe-backs.

Your source ?

you have european straight double edge swords with a thick center, with a hollow grind that basically is a "piped middle" sword. www.google.no/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjm_q-y2qbdAhUys4sKHas9Aa8QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3ASword_cross_section.svg&psig=AOvVaw2TQ9YVpxitLmJ18NU772lv&ust=1536334552222304

www.albion-swords.com/images/bareblades/jodyleaf-3.jpg

Center ridges were pretty common on swords at the end on the middle ages. That being said, medieval swords were usually heavier than 19th century swords of the same length, so the blades were very stiff and still able to cut decently.

The question is where was it first? Hungary was fought over for centuries between Austria and the Ottomans.

Well, I've handled an 11th-century blade with nearly that exact 2d geometry in the military museum up in the castle in Buda.... so it's not so much a question of "first," because respectfully, the origin of the sabre in Europe is known, and it's not an open question. I would recommend "do we have any way of looking at where the pipeback designers were looking at when they developed that weapon?" Not having any special focus on 19th century Brittania, I can't address that.

Weren't there turkic tribes running around in Hungary anyway. I'm pretty sure the Pechenegs, Magyars, Bulgars, and such like were all scampering all over it.

Avars, Khazars, Cumans, Iasians (though they preferred the lance), Seljuk mercenaries in the 1100s/1200s, .... yeah. The Ottomans are serious latecomers to the Carpathian Basin.

Well I mean the Ottomans kinda are the Seljuk, but yeah, as he said Turks, maybe he means the ethno-cultural group not the nationality. Also the Cumans and the Pechenegs are two names for the same people.

Both blade types are still in use for parade purposes and both were used in WW1 and WW2.

@@scholagladiatoria , i thought so but it wasn't clear in your video. But then again you talked about a specific time period and rhe inspirations for this type of blade. I wass just wondering what the history of this kind of blade is after the mid 19th century is. My blade hasn't been service sharpend but has been cleaned so much that the ijserhouwer mark has been removed completly. My blade does have clear signes of sparring though with clear marks on the strong of the blade which makes me wonder avout the use it got between the making of the blade and the first world war.

If it's an outdoor fight - spear FTW.

Spear to snipe or an axe to break the shield

Spear or halbard. Something very long so you go high or low almost instantly. If a halbard you probably want to hook and drag the shield then reverse thrust.

A blunderbuss.

I always try to keep my scrotum shielded in a fight. Wait- think i misread that- nvm.

Barry Singh Thank you. The indian weapons people commonly talk about tend to be the more exotic things like the pata and katar, but spears and bows are universal.

Bhala

Medieval swords don't really perform better than good Victorian swords - I have many examples from both eras and you have to remember that some of medieval blade design was due to the materials available to them - 19th century steel was generally much better and more reliable.

Ido accept that it is true that 19th.c steel was generally more homogenous and of better quality. However if one was to maintain the geometry but with 19th.c steel, surely that would cut better? It just strikes me as odd that foreign swords should be preferred over the issued ones, especially when medieval swords are accounted to have performed quite terrifyingly in both capacities (depending on the type). Surely, say, one of the oakeshott type XVIIIs would perform better as a primarily thrust but also cutting capacity cavalry sword than say the French model XI, or likewise a type XIIIb would perform better than the British 1796 heavy cavalry as a cutting but also thrust? I dont possess enough swords to test this and i am not an expert as you are, perhaps you have tested this?

Also, didn't you say once that saber fencing favors different blade width compared to sword and shield, longsword , sword and buckler and messer? You said once on the movie fights video that early movie fencing was done with narrower arming swords to make it easier for the actors to employ saber style fencing with.

tuskil Nope, Sharpe notably carried a 1796 Pattern Heavy Cavalry Sabre - a straight sword - which he then modified from a hatchet point to a spear point for better penetration on the thrust. 😉 Very important, that! It’s known as a butchers blade, it’s a bit of a brute. Although in some of Sharpe’s early adventures in India, he did do combat with an Indian Tulwar amongst other random swords (light cavalry sabre, Scottish Claymore etc...)that he picked up from around the place. He also enjoyed the British Naval Cutlass in Sharpe’s Trafalgar - seemingly preferring big brutal swords to lighter, more delicate blades. 👍🏼

@@joelsmith9311 big and brutal was always his style, but he did love some thrusting penetration too!! Light cavalry sabre is what i was thinking of

Hi - well yeah, I spent a fair chunk of the video saying that :-)

Sorry, posted even before I watched it. Saw a fair number of naval officers swords in the Maritime Museum in Halifax which reminded me of pieces I saw in the Topkapi museum in Istanbul in cross-section.

lol

I prefer straight swords

Triggered.

They... didn't.. :-)

The little one is actually a different type of blade. Like a rapier and main gauche.

Wakizashi and Katana have more or less different uses entirely, the Wakizashi, the smaller one, was more of a symbolic tool that would be kept on a samurai's person at all times, and is the tool that would be used in the event that the samurai in question has to commit seppuku, or for self defense if the need arises. Katana are divided into two distinct groups, some are heavier in the blade and used for executions, and the rest are nimbler and for battlefield use. there are also a bunch of other subsections of Japanese sword, but these are the two in question.

Wakizashi (little) is for inside. I think in the book of five rings in the bit where he is explaining why two swords are better than one, musashi talks about 'checking in' your katana at the door but always having your short sword on you. Its a great book thats not too long you should read. For sure it will be an audio book on youtube atb

Ps i reckon in alot of cultures the sword was for killing your own peasants, or at least for showing the peasantry you had the authority to do so. That and dueling.

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