Pipe Band vs. American Drumming - What's the Difference?

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Pipe Band vs. American Drumming - What's the Difference?

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Scottish drumming and American drumming are both rudiment-based and are therefore similar, but there are enough nuances where the styles do not equate directly without explanation. I am not an expert pipe band drummer... and this overview will be from a very American perspective.
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@jacksonwaltersmcdonald1787 3 жыл бұрын

Wow it really would take like 3 lifetimes to learn all there is about drumming. Thanks for sharing and reminding us how much there is to know

@RyanAlexanderBloom 3 жыл бұрын

I’m on a quest to know at least something about every type of rudimental drumming that ever was. I assume I’ll never know everything about any style given that I’ve been using the American system for 25 years and I still learn new things.

@user-tr8kr1jd2o 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video! Something I’d add is that in our closed rolls we try to get one sound where each buzz bleeds into the next, making it very smooth. Also on tap rolls, it’s very common to tie one to another, making the last stroke of a roll the first “tapped” stroke of another (loads of examples in Max Rayne)

@RyanAlexanderBloom 2 жыл бұрын

both sides of this pad kind of suck, so the buzz strokes did not really come out the way I intended every time. I should have used a different one, but this one is conveniently two-sided.

@jeromieb038 3 жыл бұрын

Wow helpful video I learnt alot.

@Halberstramshaberdashery Жыл бұрын

Nice job man! You did your homework on the pipe band snare style.

@RyanAlexanderBloom Жыл бұрын

I can tell you about it, I still have a hard time playing it accurately though.

@wes_azdrummer93 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video man good explanation

@daviduprichard8343 3 жыл бұрын

you should look into blood and thunder drumming from Northern Ireland

@DANIIBOII-hb6yx 3 жыл бұрын

I mean, it’s pretty accurate, the key difference when actually drumming though is that we use out fingers to control the sticks rather than our wrists. Most competent pipe band drummers can play while scores without moving their wrists at all, giving it a more bouncy musical feel compared to the straighter style of American drumming

@DANIIBOII-hb6yx 3 жыл бұрын

If you ever want a zoom call or something I’m happy to give you some resources to look into it deeper 👍🏼

@RyanAlexanderBloom 3 жыл бұрын

I think I tried to say that in there but I’m not really a pipe band drummer so I’m sure my American-style playing tendencies override some of the finer technique when I try to demonstrate. I actually taught one person to play pipe band style for a few months but she was just barely able to read so we worked on that mostly. Just getting her up to speed on what the written parts meant was a breakthrough in her ability to follow along at rehearsals. From my training perspective, playing that lightly is hard. It’s counterintuitive coming from a tradition where historically we played from over the head...

@RyanAlexanderBloom 3 жыл бұрын

@@DANIIBOII-hb6yx most of what I know about it comes from the RSPBA “structured learning” packets from the 90s, Michael Eagle’s videos and his interpretive rudiment sheets, the Canadian Cadets manuals, and Zack Smith’s website.

@matthew5268 3 жыл бұрын

@@RyanAlexanderBloom Zack smith is a good resource, from my home town. Great pipe band players in Atlantic Canada

@RyanAlexanderBloom 3 жыл бұрын

@@matthew5268 at this point there are probably more pipe band players outside of Scotland than in. It’s pretty popular in the USA, Australia, and Canada as you say. Also they exist in England, Ireland, and continental Europe. Quite the international impact. But yeah Smith’s 50 rudiment list was pretty helpful.

@ledingdong1492 3 жыл бұрын

You should look into lambeg drums from northern Ireland it's quite unique

@RyanAlexanderBloom 3 жыл бұрын

Those things are pretty crazy. I'm not too familiar but it seems like concert bass sized rope drums that people carry off their necks. I wouldn't want to do that, but they are supposed to be loud which is fun.

@daviduprichard8343 3 жыл бұрын

Funny i am reading this, was literally at a lambeg drumming match the night there

@RockStarOscarStern634 2 жыл бұрын

True but it's pretty similar.

@RyanAlexanderBloom 2 жыл бұрын

I'd wager that the average American high school center snare would just stare blankly at a pipe band setting for a long time and then get at least 60% of it wrong without help. Even though they are probably quite good at rudiments and reading for snare drum. Its very similar but just different enough to mess you up.

@RockStarOscarStern634 2 жыл бұрын

@@RyanAlexanderBloom Yes but either way neat way to enhance your drumming. My idea was to make Fully Chromatic Bagpipes that would allow Pipe Bands to play something more Western-ey, & also adding Cymbals to the mix.

@Number4lead 2 жыл бұрын

Tighter rolls with scottish.

@CoryHilliard 2 жыл бұрын

Most of this I can agree with. However, one of the biggest differences in how we create the left-handed stroke. It's mostly a thumb movement. You need to open the thumb to execute a left-handed stroke. A left-handed buzz stroke happens when you use more pressure on the thumb. With the right-handed stroke, it's mostly a finger movement. We spend our entire lives perfecting this though the practice of doubles (aka mommy daddies) ...and in case nobody has told you, "Scotch" is a drink. There is no such thing as a "Scotch" person or people. They're Scottish. I'm surprised they haven't thrown haggis at your head over this yet. :)

@RyanAlexanderBloom 2 жыл бұрын

I obviously haven’t spent much time working on the technique at all. Also I’m not referring to people as Scotch. Only things. The Scotch Duty and the Scotch Reveille are valid historical drumming terms. In light of this I apply the term Scotch to the drumming and rudiments, generally. The Scottish people play Scotch music and drink Scotch whiskey. If I made it sound like Scotch referred to Scottish people then I misspoke.

@CoryHilliard 2 жыл бұрын

Good arguments. :) I personally just say Scottish, and reserve the word Scotch for the whiskey as there is none quite like it. Even Scotch tape I just call "clear tape" so as not to offend the whiskey spirits.

@RyanAlexanderBloom 2 жыл бұрын

@@CoryHilliard I’m not really a Scotch drinker. But I do like the terms Scotch bass and Scotch tenor to refer to the pipe band style of those instruments when played in traditional American drum corps context. And I’m not the one who started calling them that. You’re also not the first person to tell me Scotch is a drink. I’m just stubborn.

@RockStarOscarStern634 2 жыл бұрын

Yes Drums are easier than Bagpipes cause all you gotta do is Bang away

@RyanAlexanderBloom 2 жыл бұрын

I’m not so sure about that. Never tried the pipes but modern pipe band snare settings are insanely complex. They are right up there with DCI snare lines in terms f required chops, just different rhythmic preferences. And nobody would say playing a horn in DCI is harder than playing snare, or tenors for that matter. Nobody smart anyway.

@RockStarOscarStern634 2 жыл бұрын

@@RyanAlexanderBloom The Intonation on Bagpipes can be a kinda hard, but w/ Drums it's easier. Playing Pipe Band Drums (Snares, Tenors aka Toms, & Bass Drums) is easier w/ Sheet Music.