I totally get that and agree! I think a bit of the misunderstanding is coming from my intention that I was using it as more of a visual aid than a coming up with ideas aid, if that makes sense? Less that I need ai to come up with the design and more that I have so many ideas and not enough time to fully render them to see which direction I want to go, and I was hoping to expedite the part of the design process that I find a bit tedious 😅 but all the discussion has come up with some convincing arguments for me to avoid using it, at least until (if ever) there are more regulations and ways to systemically make it more ethical on an art theft and environmental level

okay now that i've watched it, the shirt turned out so good!! i love the shape and look of it, it's really cute

Ty for your thoughts I def agree it needs to be regulated far more heavily! Now that I've gotten more input on the larger scope and the environmental impact I'd also rather avoid it, but when I started the design process I had figured it was on a similar level to taking inspiration from the (largely uncredited) work on Pinterest and I wanted to be transparent in my process! Ty about the shirt too 😊♥️

Adding a bit more to your really well done explanation, if you don't mind: AI generation, be it text or imagery, is also absolutely apocalyptic for the environment. Every single click of that button is essentially pouring out an entire bottle of water on the ground. Generating a whole batch until you get something that looks relatively good is enormously wasteful. I write this June 22nd, in 95 degree weather in PENNSYLVANIA, that will continue for the next week or so. This is climate change and this will be the coldest summer for the rest of my life unless we get some kind of hold on the waste of capitalism.

@@Bokatisha1234 Yes, thank you for adding that information about the environmental cost. As you point out, it is a huge energy draw, and thus phenomenally environmentally detrimental. But it is hard to conceptualize, since we never see where and how the data is processed. I think it's like the cloud for data storage--because of the way it has been branded, we don't think of the actual physical space and energy that the cloud actually takes, which is huge, centralized server rooms, rather than something nebulous and ephemeral that the branding implies. I would like to point out, though, that most people don't know about these ethical and environmental issues with AI. Advertisements are shoving AI down our throats, saying how it's "so cool and convenient." We as individuals have to ask how we even have this technology and how it works, and then also take the step to go hunt down this information on how (unethically) it was created and it's impact on artists' livelihoods and the environment.

Thanks both for talking about the environmental aspect! I didn’t know about that part until like last week, but I’d already made the costume and videos and I wanted to be transparent about my process. I definitely think art theft is terrible (obviously lol) but I still am not entirely able to wrap my brain around how Pinterest is much different since a large majority of the art there is also there without artists knowledge or consent? But maybe that more means Pinterest is also not very ethical rather than sliding the other direction? But the point you mentioned about using it encouraging more theft of art is a good one so that definitely eclipses that debate! Anyways, I def don't want to do anything to harm anyone else (as much as I can personally control in today's society 🙃) so I'll refrain in the future!

@@moth.faerie I appreciate being transparent about your process, and I've seen enough of your videos to recognize that you had no bad intentions. That's why I wanted to add that it's very understandable to be ignorant of the issues. And it is hard to wrap your head around some of this stuff because of the lack of transparency of the tech companies pushing AI! I understand where the confusion comes from on the difference between something like Pinterest and AI generated images. I think there's a fundamental difference in foundations, though. The very foundation of AI generated work is unethical and primarily stolen, as mentioned above. The foundation of Pinterest is not a corrupt one because the foundation is one of people voluntarily uploading images of their work or historical images. So the foundation is not corrupt, but there are a lot of bad actors abusing the system and uploading work they have stolen but are pretending to be their own. So while the entire foundation of AI generated images needs to be rebuilt to be ethical, the foundation of Pinterest does not, since Pinterest does not need to rebuild their source code, merely be better about enforcing the removal of illegally uploaded work.

@@moth.faerie Oh man Pinterest is the fucking worst, I can't stand that site for exactly that reason and don't understand how they've gotten as big and lasted as long as they have given how sketchy they are.

I only found out about the energy consumption last week and that’s definitely a huge concern for me!

I asked for opinions in the video bc I was unsure and was def not informed on the environmental impact or the larger scope of the problem! I wanted to be transparent about my process tho so I didn't want to just gloss over it

Haha thank you, I appreciate it! It's always nice when the final product turns out better than the original design ♥️

Thanks!

Haha the asmr is deceptive my process is also mostly panic sewing 😅

Ty for the thread recommendation! I'll def try that next time ♥️

Thank you! Very pleased with how the neckline turned out 🥰

Thank you for your thoughts! So the generator I used had a bar at the bottom of the screen where it showed the photos it had pulled from (idk if they removed that feature I can't find it now), so I had felt like it was fairly similar to using images from Pinterest for inspo, but also was unsure so that's why I asked for opinions! With the comments I've gotten regarding environmental concerns and points like yours that it contributes to a larger problem are reasons enough for me to refrain from using it in the future, but I wanted to be transparent about my process for this project!

@@moth.faerie love and appreciate the transparency! looking forward to seeing the next vid in the series

Thank you!♥️ and it does seem to be an inevitability that ai will (and has already) become a part of everybody’s work process whether or not it’s in a creative field. Hopefully regulations get put into place that will help curb the bad parts soon!

It's called a fasturn and I got it on ebay!

I just bought some metallic thread from joann's!

I hand wash it, idk that I'd trust it in the machine! But usually when I hand wash stuffi just bring it in the shower with me lol

hi! yes, halving the width so it's 21", I put elastic in the back half of the three channels, so it's a drawstring from the back sleeve seam to the center front, and an elastic in the back shirt section for all three channels. I did also put elastic in the bottom of the shirt and hem of the sleeves. hopefully that makes sense! pls ask if you need any more clarification!

@@moth.faerie Thank you so much for the quick response. Yes, that all makes sense. Elastic in the back of the shirt is such a good idea so you can have the aesthetic of ties, but some benefits of elastic!

I only found out about the environmental impact last week and had already made the costume, but that reason is def enough that id rather not use ai now!

Many of the comments aren't criticising the process though, and should not. I guess we're all just a bit burned by AI, especially in creative spaces, so I understand the sentiment. Thankfully most comments aren't personal attacks

I only found out about the environmental impact last week after this costume and video had already been made but it's definitely enough to make me rethink using ai in the future, thank you for your comment!

Thank you for your thoughts, this is pretty much how I also feel regarding this part of the ai debate! The environmental impact is def enough to make me rethink using ai as a tool so for the future I'll be avoiding it!

Hey so first ty for the comment, I asked for opinions bc I was unsure how to navigate the topic as I mentioned in the video! Other commenters have made the point that ai is really bad for the environment and that generally using it feeds into an exploitative system which is reason enough for me to refrain from using it in the future. I started this costume and video series before I knew those aspects but wanted to be transparent in my process. I'd love an opinion on your thoughts regarding taking inspiration from content aggregation platforms like Pinterest where a large majority of the art is present without the artists consent, they're widely used but do you find those just as unethical? Not trying to argue or come off as aggressive, I know tone can be ambiguous over text! Other comments have stated the fundamental motives behind each (ai vs Pinterest specifically) contribute to how they view them so I also can get behind that but I like to hear as many opinions as possible!

@@moth.faerie Hi!! Thank you for taking the time to reply and I'm glad you're taking the comments of the community with an open spirit!! Personally I've never been a fan of Pinterest either and don't use it in my own art. I think any use of an artist's work without credit is pretty bad whether that's through uncredited images on Pinterest or artist's work being fed through AI without consent. That said, it is difficult but a little easier to credit artists whose work you found using Pinterest. There are sometimes watermarks you can refer back to to find the original artist, occasionally a piece will link directly back to the original creator, and reverse image search can be tricky but doable in some cases. So while it would be ideal not to use Pinterest at all, I know that it's going to be like half the results you get if you Google what you're looking for and as long as you're willing to do the leg work, you can credit the artists whose work inspired you and direct people to appreciate their work instead of the Pinterest post that was made without their consent. Like you said, lots of people have spoken about the difference between the two and I agree with them that the foundations of Pinterest vs AI are completely different. One was made so that people could upload their own art and the other was specifically made and trained on art that cannot be ethically used in that way. I think there's a difference between people using a platform that was made with good intentions in an unethical way compared to people using an inherently unethical platform. At least if you're using Pinterest, you have ways to mitigate the harm to artists having their work posted there without permission by properly crediting them. Taking inspiration from AI makes that whole thing kind of impossible. You don't really have any way of telling whose artwork and style has been replicated to create the images you're seeing or how many there are or where to find them

So I get all that for the most part, but I don't think it's really within reasonable expectation to credit every single source of inspiration for every work. Obviously if something is a direct inspiration, like how I credited the artist who inspired the wrist band embroidery, there should be a listed credit. However, frequently in the process of creation there a hundreds to thousands of influences ranging from an image seen on Pinterest the other day to art in a museum that was visited decades ago. There's no way to credit every single one of those works and artists, and if I were to inspire someone in an aggregated indirect way I would never expect credit for that nor would I probably even notice that they had taken inspiration from me. I recently got a dm asking if it was ok for someone to use the same patterns I did for my victorian alice cosplay, to which I replied that they're not patterns I created so they're not mine to permit someone to use or not. I said they could credit if they use the same pattern modifications I detailed in my video, since they're pretty specific to the project, but I'm well aware that my (and all) art is derivative on some level and so I wouldn't expect a credit anytime someone creates something indirectly referential. Like I mentioned before, Ill be refraining from using AI as a tool in the future, due to the larger scope of the problem, however I don't think the lack of crediting is really comparable to the level of exploitation present in mass manufacturing (for your example of buying from resellers vs artisans), and aggregating from Pinterest or image generators still feels similar to aggregating on Instagram for like ✨vibes✨ and inspo if that makes sense (outside of the general systemic and platform problems of course). But please feel free to explain further! (And to clarify I'm not saying that any level of exploitation is acceptable, but we're kind of at a pick your battles stage of capitalism rn. Also exploitation due to environmental burden is a different argument entirely, I just wanted to address your example regarding art theft/resellers etc) Hopefully that wasnt too hard to follow, the window I have to type comments in is very small so I'm not able to see everything I've typed at once 😅

This reason here is why I'm not going to watch the video. It's really disappointing she even thought it was okay to use AI given HOW LOUD the discourse about it has been. All these inspiration images are from artists she can't credit because she has no idea where the AI pulled the art from. Why not just commission an artist for ideas then?

Stopped watching for the same reason. She admitted to knowing there’s discourse around the use of AI, admitted to using it anyway, and asked us to leave our opinions in the comments, gaining more interactions, all on a video she will profit off of. Here I am helping out… but she at least won’t get another view from me on this one. (Or possibly any others…) Talk to visual artists who are being ripped off by AI. One of my best friends is one of them and in order to file a claim to pull her art from AI, she has to prove that they’ve stolen it. How the hell is she supposed to do that?! It’s so corrupt and immoral. There’s no grey area about it. I’ve seen a quote going around recently I liked and it goes something like: I want AI to do my chores so I have time to do art, I don’t want my AI to do my art so I have time to do chores. The use of AI images is bad and everyone should stop so it can go away like any failed technology.

Hey so first ty for the comment, I asked for opinions bc I was unsure how to navigate the topic as I mentioned in the video! Other commenters have made the point that ai is really bad for the environment and that generally using it feeds into an exploitative system which is reason enough for me to refrain from using it in the future. I started this costume and video series before I knew those aspects but wanted to be transparent in my process. I'd love an opinion on your thoughts regarding taking inspiration from content aggregation platforms like Pinterest where a large majority of the art is present without the artists consent, they're widely used but do you find those just as unethical? Not trying to argue or come off as aggressive, I know tone can be ambiguous over text! Other comments have stated the fundamental motives behind each (ai vs Pinterest specifically) contribute to how they view them so I also can get behind that but I like to hear as many opinions as possible!

​@@moth.faerieI loved this video, I loved that you were transparent about the use of AI😊 I'm also uncertain about the ethics surrounding Pinterest or Instagram as inspiration for an outfit 🤷🏻‍♀️ I do it all the time to see where seams go and what colours work together

@@moth.faeriefor me as an artist it feels like with stolen art reposted on Pinterest, reverse image searching has gotten good enough to where there's at least a chance you'll be able to find the artist if you like the art. Many of the pieces reposted onto Pinterest do still link back to an artist anyways, even if the artist themselves aren't the one who reuploaded it. With AI art, the pieces it spits out are divorced enough from the original artists it stole from that no amount of reverse image searching will actually let you find the artist that inspired it, cutting off any silver lining of "free promotion." They're both bad situations, but with one you can at least find a good side if you squint.

I get your point with the pinterest thing - but I believe the main difference, the one that makes AI unethical, is the fact that the art people upload & use as inspo on Pinterest or other such platforms is actually made by artists on their own, while 'art' created by AI generators steals data from artists without their consent and generates 'new art' based on that stolen data. So the art pieces generated with AI are, in their core, unethically made. I don't think it's okay to take someone's art, upload it on Pinterest and claim it as your own, but there's also a difference between stealing/copying and being inspired by something. AI has nothing to do with inspiration because the whole art itself is based on stolen data. To your question: As long as you're inspired and not copying, I don't think you have to ask for permission to be inspired (but it wouldn't hurt to do so ofc!) - art today is pretty vast and chances are what someone else did has been done before in some way. Every artist has been inspired by something or someone, after all!

Hey so first ty for the comment, I asked for opinions bc I was unsure how to navigate the topic as I mentioned in the video! Other commenters have made the point that ai is really bad for the environment and that generally using it feeds into an exploitative system which is reason enough for me to refrain from using it in the future. I started this costume and video series before I knew those aspects but wanted to be transparent in my process. I'd love an opinion on your thoughts regarding taking inspiration from content aggregation platforms like Pinterest where a large majority of the art is present without the artists consent, they're widely used but do you find those just as unethical? Not trying to argue or come off as aggressive, I know tone can be ambiguous over text! Other comments have stated the fundamental motives behind each (ai vs Pinterest specifically) contribute to how they view them so I also can get behind that but I like to hear as many opinions as possible!

@@moth.faerie I don't usually use Pinterest and from what I saw last time I checked, it was overtaken via IA generated images too. I prefer using Instagram when searching for "vibes" but if I stumble upon a photo that has been re-uploaded via a 3rd party account that doesn't credit the original artist/sewist/cosplayer, I reverse search the picture and more often than not I am able to find the original poster. I am of the opinion that even if it takes more time, be it on Pinterest, Google or Instagram, we should try to find and credit the original creator(s) if substantial inspo has been taken from their products or, if it only gives you a minor idea, at least try to support the creator with a like/subscribe/comment. Using IA entirely erases that possibility and takes disproportionately from minor creators

Thank you! I hand wash everything for this costume 😊