Pitch Clock Chaos in Philly as Rojas & Kimbrel Try to Get Eachother to Violate

Pitch Clock Chaos in Philly as Rojas & Kimbrel Try to Get Eachother to Violate - The Contreras Rule!

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Жыл бұрын

Baseball's brand new Contreras Rule for pitch clock violations made an appearance in Philadelphia when Diamondbacks batter Josh Rojas tried to cause Phillies pitcher Craig Kimbrel to violate by coming set when Rojas wasn't alert in the batter's box. Report: www.closecallsports.com/2023/...
HP Umpire Junior Valentine wound up warning both Kimbrel and Rojas for their respective pitch timer violations during the 10th inning at-bat (Kimbrel for actually coming set too soon and violating the Scherzer Rule and Rojas for trying to induce a violation from Kimbrel by intentionally delaying his hitting stance or 'alertness' in the box...which is a violation of the new Contreras Rule).
The Contreras rule is named for Willson Contreras on the Cardinals, who successfully induced three violations of Red Sox pitcher Kenley Jansen in Boston by simply straddling the batter's box and delaying his readiness, so as to cause Jansen to violate the Scherzer rule by coming set too soon.
Rojas tried it too, but must have not known or forgotten that MLB sent a memo to teams in the wake of the Contreras-Jansen incident that batters will now be warned and then assessed a strike on subsequent violations if they engage (or look at) the pitcher with one OR both feet in the batter's box, and then look away/down and try to appeal to the umpire that the pitcher has violated the Scherzer rule about coming set when the batter is not alert.
Both teams' managers came onto the field to argue with the umpire crew during this same Rojas plate appearance in the 10th.
Bryce Harper also gets burned for violating the pitch timer rules because he requested "Time" twice during the same plate appearance (batters only get one "Time" out per at-bat), having requested one before even coming to the plate to begin with, and then requesting a second one to appeal that Arizona's pitcher violated the Scherzer rule by coming set when he wasn't yet alert...except that the pitcher was in hybrid position and thus considered to be pitching out of Windup Position, which is exempt from Scherzer Rule, as that rule only applies to Set Position.
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@adamzangara Жыл бұрын

End of the season there's going to be the Scherzer rule which started the Contreras rule which started the Kershaw rule which started the Judge rule which started the Verlander rule which started the Trout rule which started the...you get my point.

@ChristianClayton2000 Жыл бұрын

There’s going to be a lot of editing to the pitch clock rules this offseason 😵‍💫

@DJSockmonkeyMusic Жыл бұрын

🎶I don't know why they swallowed the fly🎶

@JoeyD_AU98 Жыл бұрын

These Bozos created a pitch clock system/rules so great that they have to change the rules at least once per month. How are the umps and players supposed to keep up with what’s legal from week to week?

@jamesmccleese4342 Жыл бұрын

😂

@Desirsar Жыл бұрын

It's like they could just get in the box and get set quickly and the pitcher throws the pitch and we get the game actually moving. If the players would stop trying to game the rules and just play, the rules wouldn't need to be added on.

@fnstyle Жыл бұрын

The Pitch Clock was a great idea on paper, but they forgot to take into account the pettiness of everyone involved and how everyone tries to exploit the rule to try and get the other team to mess up. They keep adding rules that will just contradict each other, and in the end, it'll mess up the game even more... Sad...

@ktnrjc Жыл бұрын

5:48 in the video, immediately on the telecast camera change, before the pitch clock shows, pitcher in 'bird' position, batter 1 foot in the box and looking at pitcher . You comment that 2 seconds isn't enough time for the batter to have a chance to get in the box and become alert, but he already was!

@louisdesroches Жыл бұрын

At least the games don’t take as long so there’s more time to argue all these pitch clock violations.

@chocolatecoveredgummybears Жыл бұрын

LOL

@hulenbryant5637 Жыл бұрын

HAHAHA!!! and more pitcher changes, and more video reviews ! :-) !

@2332Stephen Жыл бұрын

Baseball saved 20 minutes a game for this nonsense.

@afrotastic06 Жыл бұрын

I watched this game and I was extremely confused about what was going on. Now I’m informed because I’m subscribed to Close Call Sports 😁

@michaelstevens8624 Жыл бұрын

If the rules get addendums/clarifications informally named after players twice before the All-Star break, maybe they were just not well-concieved.

@priceright8963 Жыл бұрын

There were addendums named after players before the season even began.

@nichodemus10 Жыл бұрын

Talk to any NFL player and you will learn 'if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" and you have to make the rule to see how people are going to try to break it...and sometimes they will succeed. This is just the normal flow of sports and gamesmanship.

@pepperypeppers2755 Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised the minor league testing didn't get these issues addressed

@Desirsar Жыл бұрын

The rules are fine, the players are trying to game this because they're mad they can't adjust their gloves three times and grab their crotch four times before each pitch.

@Youngstomata Жыл бұрын

Imagine all this happening in the playoffs

@sfmc98 Жыл бұрын

Imagine a playoff or World Series game being decided by a pitch clock violation. Only a matter of time.

@doohuh Жыл бұрын

Imagine players actually learning the rules of the game they get paid millions of dollars to play.

@lou_b00 Жыл бұрын

@@doohuh most baseball rules are like 100 years old dude. We shouldn't act like this is some 11th commandment, when the league, umps, and commish will probably adjust the "rule" in the winter... its way more gray than you're stating.

@rhysrogers6103 Жыл бұрын

@@sfmc98 I love this overly dramatic statement made everytime.

@sfmc98 Жыл бұрын

@@rhysrogers6103 What makes it "overly dramatic" if its certain to happen?

@ru40342 Жыл бұрын

The best way to remedy this is not to introduce the "Contreras rule". It is to cancel the "Scherzer rule". When the batter stands in the box and ready to hit, he should not need "more time" before the pitcher pitches.

@BBonez24 Жыл бұрын

Maybe you’re right but batters do use that tap to the plate as a way of measuring their distance to the plate for a consistent setup which requires them to be looking down. In other words the batters eyes are the last thing to be ready, I can see how an immediate pitch from that moment is unfair to the batter.

@dooshkid Жыл бұрын

but then the batter doesn't have time to get set for the pitch, and it's unsafe for someone throwing 95+ if the guy doesn't even get a chance to see the plate before looking at you

@LindsayImber1 Жыл бұрын

Kimbrel's "bird" pose is his version of being in the stretch. Bringing both hands together when using Set Position constitutes a pitcher coming "set" (1:41). I meant to say stretch not set.

@jayschafer1760 Жыл бұрын

I'm not a fan of Kimbrel or his team, but that bird pose is just awesomely weird. Hope the team does a bobblehead giveaway with Kimbrel doing that pose.

@angc214 Жыл бұрын

Gotta love how the rules are being changed on the fly this season.

@marijuasher Жыл бұрын

You mean the new rules that never existed before?

@bernardgallo2884 Жыл бұрын

I hate the new rules. Wastes as much time as no clock. Strikes and balls should not be called for no reason.

@RockstarFlipper Жыл бұрын

So when do we admit the pitch clock is the biggest disaster in MLB history?

@stevebabiak6997 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for covering this - I requested this and you delivered.

@junema9924 Жыл бұрын

I feel like people shouldn't be upset or annoyed at players trying to do shenanigans like this bc it's a competitive game and everyone is going to use every advantage they can get to get the results they want, since ultimately that's how their success, and in turn their compensation, is determined. And perhaps it isn't the intention, but a rule that gives free balls and strikes without requiring a pitch to be thrown or bat to be swung is a huge invitation actually to attempt to exploit these rules as much as possible. It just goes to show how many unintended consequences there can be by adding more and more levers into an already complex machine. The simple act of delivering a pitch to home plate, the most fundamental part of baseball, is already built on a bed of rules that have been established over many generations of play. When you introduce big changes you create new conditions for exploiting these rules in creative ways that puts a higher burden of enforcement on umps. And how that enforcement occurs and its consistency is the only thing that's going to matter in ensuring the perceived legitimacy of these changes. I think we're going to see a lot more of these annoying back-and-forth situations about the automatic ball/strike part of the rules and I worry about how that will change how audiences perceive the game.

@bananapickle Жыл бұрын

For me I get upset because I just view these actions as against the "spirit" of the game. Which is obviously different than your perspective (not trying to attack you, just giving the perspective of someone who does get upset/annoyed with these interaction). The reason I say I view it these actions as against the spirit of the game is I am still of the mindset (having played youth baseball competitively along with many other sports) is that fundamentally rule #1 of any sport regardless of level is to have fun, and this is not fun. I should say that the pitch clock isn't a fun rule either in principle, but it was made out of necessity for the extreme lengths of dead time in a baseball game, which isn't fun either. But the pitch clock rule in this sense is really only supposed to push the extremely slow defences and offences towards a more average pace of play. I know it's a little naive of me to say, but there are ways to be creative within a given rule set that isn't pushing into the "morally grey area" of it. Like for example Contreras was intentionally being malicious while abusing the "Scherzer" rule and so they change the rules. Even then the only reason he was able to deceive the Red Sox pitcher (can't remember his name) is because of Scherzer's malicious intentional abuse of the new pitch clock rule in spring training. TLDR: The only reason that we need to have rules that produce these annoying confusing situations is because of the "bad actors" or the people who purposely "game the system" to gain an advantage because they lack the level of morals that the other people have. Side note: Just while I was writing this I was thinking how the Contreras and Scherzer rules were made because of an intentional abuse of the system. Whereas, I feel like other sports that have rules named after players are more in the line of context as "player accidentally found some loophole in the rules and it just happened because of bizarre set of circumstances." No proof to this statement just an idea I thought of.

@chucklebutt4470 Жыл бұрын

Really well said! Personally, I kind of enjoy that sort of gamesmanship in baseball where you're looking to exploit nuances in the rules and their fine print, but I recognize that I might be an anomaly haha. It's up to the league to maintain the purity of the game.

@KWally Жыл бұрын

It's also the history of baseball. Always trying to get a leg up no matter what.

@redsit Жыл бұрын

That alone is the reason why I've come to love the rule. We get to see this back-and-forth between the game in the players playing which only comes from big rule changes.

@karlrovey Жыл бұрын

There's a fine line you have to walk on the gamesmanship aspect. If you cross it as a batter, you might get a fastball to the ribs. If you cross it as a pitcher, the batter just might charge the mound.

@ericblair5731 Жыл бұрын

Does the pitcher need to be on the field? Or if the pitcher goes and hides in the locker room does it count as a violation against the batter for not looking at the pitcher at 8 seconds?

@CloseCallSports Жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahaha

@chocolatecoveredgummybears Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@bigpoppa1234 Жыл бұрын

the pitcher comes out in a huge sombrero that hides his eyes so the batter can never make eye contact = he's not ready at 8 seconds = automatic strike

@WideWorldofTrains Жыл бұрын

Thanks to MLB for making the game less complicated

@kendog52361 Жыл бұрын

You mentioned it was Kimbrel's second "warning" of the at bat, so it was a called ball. I'm wondering, does he get a "free warning" every at bat, or only one in the game, same for the batter. Does the batter get a "free warning" for each at bat, or is it "one and done" for warnings for that batter in the game?

@JobiWan144 Жыл бұрын

I think the system is that each player gets one free warning per game concerning the Scherzer and Contreras Rules.

@timgranata7033 Жыл бұрын

"woah woah woah woah! Did you just take a breath before coming set? AUTOMATIC BALL!"

@MrMaelstrom07 Жыл бұрын

This is why you take the time to let it work itself out in the lower leagues, work out all the bugs, let them get used to it. Only then do you bring it up to MLB where things matter. But Manfred is SO eager to "fix" the game that they're rushing these developments.

@howaboutno4002 Жыл бұрын

Tbf they did test it for an entire season in the minor leagues, and afaik it went well

@rhysrogers6103 Жыл бұрын

It was bro, players have to adjust. They are paid millions to do so.

@newhen2 Жыл бұрын

I went to a baseball game the other day. Every single person with me said they loved it and were finally able to sit for the entire game. It’s making baseball a sport people actually want to watch again.

@tywoodruff2218 Жыл бұрын

These new rules are absolutely ridiculous!

@estiefranks6468 Жыл бұрын

I was at this game. No one in the stands could understand what was happening. Thanks for the explanation. 😊

@SirWulfrick Жыл бұрын

I knew this pitch clock was going to be a disaster and it continues to be just that. Now it's all gaming the system instead of just playing the game.

@photodave219 Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the explanation. Listening to it on the radio was insane.

@J.C... Жыл бұрын

Great job explaining this one! 👍

@KWally Жыл бұрын

Always a great video, keep up the great work CCS!

@shelvis99 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the recap. I am still so confused.

@NeutronRob Жыл бұрын

Dump the pitch clock! These situations just make the whole game look clownish!

@Kirkshelton Жыл бұрын

How did this kind of stuff not happen in all the lower level games that have been using the clock for a while now?

@bernier42 Жыл бұрын

You know you’re (Rojas) acting in bad faith when you notice the pitcher fell for your shenanigans and immediately complain to the ump. Like a hockey player “diving” and looking at the ref for a penalty before they’ve even hit the ice.

@babababad Жыл бұрын

I think that might be what triggered Valentine's warning to the batter. If the pitch had proceeded normally, it would have been a no-call. But as soon as Rojas looks back, Valentine can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt.

@robertdim1271 Жыл бұрын

This is insane! I want to enjoy the game. There must be a one simple rule.

@FoxtasticGaming Жыл бұрын

There is a simpler way to deal with this rule and its to get rid of it

@robertdim1271 Жыл бұрын

Easy rule: 18 seconds clock. The pitcher is not allowed to throw until the 8 sec mark. At the eight second mark, the pitcher is allowed to throw a pitch. Doesn’t matter if the batter is ready or not. So, 8 to 1 second the pitcher is in full control. If the pitcher throws a strike it’s a strike. If the batter is over the plate and gets hit, too bad that’s a strike and a hospital visit for the batter. If the pitcher doesn’t throw within 8-1 sec, it’s a ball. No more warnings. No more timeouts. Timeouts can only be called by umpire if there is an interruption (bird, fan, bee on the umpire’s face). So, for players Just strike or ball. Oh, and the pitcher is allowed to throw as many times as they wish to get a runner on base. That’s baseball. No more mount visits. Changing pitcher will be done by an additional umpire from the dugout(7 minute clock count for the change). Just liked they do it in soccer. Want to yell for the call, do it at the dugout umpire. Simple.

@markwicker2664 Жыл бұрын

@@robertdim1271 7 minutes for a pitching change? That seems excessive.

@lou_b00 Жыл бұрын

@@robertdim1271 most rules in baseball are like 100 years old dude. We shouldn't act like this is some 11th commandment, when the league, umps, and commish will probably adjust the new "rule" in the winter. It's way more gray than you're stating.

@bigpoppa1234 Жыл бұрын

@@lou_b00 Baseball needs a root and branch re-write. The amount of intersecting rules that are in three or four different parts of the book, then all the extra 'comments' and poorly worded, tacked on rules makes it the worst rulebook in major sports.

@soilomasbello1156 Жыл бұрын

Why made the pitcher delivery dependent on batter alertness? In other words why not the rule be that the pitcher can't start delivery before the 8th second independently of the batter being ready or not, if the batter isn't ready in 8 seconds well is his problem not pitcher's problem. No dependencies no more games, 8 sec for the batter 7 for the pitcher that's it.

@stlpinstriping7772 Жыл бұрын

I believe time is running out on the pitch clock rule. It's causing more delays than before it was introduced.

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

Well, of course it is. In fact, you're causing more problems today than before you were born.

@devsfan1830 Жыл бұрын

A simple timer has become so absurdly complicated

@zaq55 Жыл бұрын

Next, the player's lawyers will be running onto the field to argue every pitch.

@CommonSense823 Жыл бұрын

If they absolutely must have a pitch clock (they shouldn’t), why not just adopt the rules used in NCAA. They’ve worked for several years and you don’t get this BS.

@timetowakeup7394 Жыл бұрын

I can say this pitch clock has made for some interesting baseball conversations.

@Niel2760 Жыл бұрын

This is so weird to me, I never thought there’d be such an issue. I go to a few High A games a year and there’s never been an issue. Batter gets in box pitcher throws, rinse repeat. Games move along smoothly.

@TurnedToast Жыл бұрын

This is more or less the difference between top pros and low levels. Pros are conditioned to gamesmanship anything they can, so inevitably at least a few will try to get a marginal benefit from the clock. This is similar to balks where people sometimes wonder why MLB pitchers get real ticky-tack calls against them, but it's because MLB pitchers can get away with a lot more than a high school level pitcher if given a little leeway, for example

@chocolatecoveredgummybears Жыл бұрын

@@TurnedToast not really. high level players are accustomed to the original way of how ball is played, which is vastly different than the yuppy new generation

@bigpoppa1234 Жыл бұрын

@@TurnedToast Exactly. If the batters came into the box ready to hit (instead of stupid shit like Harper calling for time when he hasn't even started the at bat), didn't go through all their theatrics like drawing lines on the plate, bumping the ground 4 times with the bat, wiggling the bat multiple times after the bat is in a ready to swing position, adjusting the gloves, cup, elbow pads, shoes and helmet even if all you did was stand there and take a ball or try to fuck with the umpires/pitcher by looking ready to bat except leaving a foot outside the box, and then the pitches didn't muck about with their own ridiculous mechanics (eg the swooping bird position or the contreas wiggle wiggle, quick pitch attempts and instead just threw the ball when the batter was ready, and the catchers & managers coming out for no reason there wouldn't need a pitch clock in the first place.

@MrHmg55 Жыл бұрын

@@TurnedToast Not to mention that wins and losses are secondary to player development at High A.

@chocolatecoveredgummybears Жыл бұрын

@@bigpoppa1234 the batter builds a tiny rapport with the pitcher. it's mutual right before the pitch, and a connection is made. rapport is a bad word i used, but it's the closest i got. i used to play triple a ball as a pitcher. not something a lot of viewers understand unless they played at the high level. then you have people coming out of the woodwork making up rules when they haven't even played this great game..

@Brian-xl7pi Жыл бұрын

This is all so annoying. I miss the game of baseball.

@Briansgate Жыл бұрын

yes. the game is much faster now with all this

@jamesmccleese4342 Жыл бұрын

One of the things I've always loved about baseball were the personalities, the quirks, the styles, all of it. It in my opinion is what made the game unique. I will say that as much as I have loved baseball over the years the games did start to get painfully long. I was on the fence about the pitch clock based on what fans and talking heads were saying about it vs what players were saying. Yeah some players don't like it, but there are a lot of other players I believe that do. Starting in spring training you saw guys like Scherzer who were finding loopholes in the rules and were trying to use them to their advantage. Then they made a change. Now there are other ways players are finding to try and get the competition to slip up and make a mistake. It's called gamesmanship. My fear is that the league is going to take all of these unique things out of the game. I mean yeah it's already happened with the pitch clock. People either loved or hated Nomar Garciaparras routine after every pitch but it was one of the little things that made baseball unique. It's all being taken away little by little. You want to have a pitch clock? Fine! But don't make it to where the mental chess game within the game is non-existent.

@thepauldineen Жыл бұрын

Maybe I'm a "traditionalist", or just old (66). I can appreciate your enjoyment of the game within the game. But, to me, this pitch clock gamesmanship is a distraction from pitching, hitting and fielding. It's like we're having to watch skilled, highly-paid athletes take time out from playing to bicker over fine print legaleze. Let lawyers and judges do that and let athletes be athletic.

@michaelstevens8624 Жыл бұрын

@@thepauldineen Don't think it's age or being a traditionalist...this whole suite of rules changes has altered the fabric of the game. The pitch clock stuff is just rules lawyering, with a side of everyone flying by the seat of their pants some days. Then you've got the disengagement rules that limit pickoffs; you're limiting an essential defensive play. Getting rid of the defensive shift? What's next, painted lines that fielders have to stay in, just so half-assed hitters' averages can go up? And the free runner in extras rule. That's backyard baseball garbage.

@blueskies25 Жыл бұрын

You know we wouldn't need these additional rules if players weren't a j-a$$

@FoxtasticGaming Жыл бұрын

We don't need the pitch clock at all. Hopefully, they get rid of it before the playoffs.

@kdwaynec Жыл бұрын

I played a lot of sandlot, neighborhood pick-up games as a kid/teenager and some softball later in life. It was fun and we all enjoyed it. This doesn't look like "fun" anymore.

@sfmc98 Жыл бұрын

How funny is it that the very thing that's supposed to improve pace of play often hurts it because of the meetings and arguments. Like being focused on several seconds while 15 minutes goes by. Hilariously counterproductive.

@austincooper4508 Жыл бұрын

This is gonna be really bad when it happens in the playoffs.

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

Good. That's how rules with loopholes get fixed.

@Rowgue51 Жыл бұрын

The pitch clock won't exist next year. It's just created a whole different method of gamesmanship on both sides that is actually making games longer and completely interrupting the free flow of the games. The pitch clock wasn't necessary anyway. Umpires always had the discretion of whether to grant a timeout or not when it was requested. And you did in fact see umpires not grant timeout to batters and instruct the pitcher to make their pitch. The trend of every hitter taking thirty seconds to collect themselves between every pitch was a relatively recent development to begin with. All they needed to do was inform the players that there would be no assumed timeout after every pitch, that timeouts need to be explicitly granted by the umpire, and that the umpires were being instructed that granting timeouts would be an exception only to be granted if they saw a legitimate reason.

@williammaddock9179 Жыл бұрын

I know, I know, I've said it before, but the best solution to all of this is to DUMP the pitch clock nonsense altogether.

@moroseightysix Жыл бұрын

Look how much time this is saving.

@fifiwoof1969 Жыл бұрын

What's gonna happen next? 37 amendments to the pitch clock rule by the end of the regular season? Got Scherzer and Contreras rules so far. 2 down, 35 to go. Popcorn 🍿 anyone?

@danieldyer6916 Жыл бұрын

Love all the time this rediculousness is saving

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

Yep, me too! Almost 30 minutes per game, on average!

@anthonylombardo1261 Жыл бұрын

hot damn they need to re write this rule, this is a joke. personally i dont see why they couldnt have wrote the scherzer rule as "dont be a dick when pitching" and batters dont be dicks also please.

@tygrahof9268 Жыл бұрын

Ban the Stupid pitch clock!! No pitches if the batter is Not in the box, period.

@berger21488 Жыл бұрын

seems like this is not the intended result of pitch clock

@rogerweir1772 Жыл бұрын

Batters should just get in the darn box and quit trying to mess around..

@FoxtasticGaming Жыл бұрын

Funny we didn't have problems before the pitch clock

@rogerweir1772 Жыл бұрын

@@FoxtasticGaming Sure we did...Slow poke pitchers and hitters doddling around....3 true outcomes HR walks or strikeouts....

@FoxtasticGaming Жыл бұрын

@@rogerweir1772 Baseball already had a batter delay rule and the quick pitch rule. Putting a clock to it was the worst idea the MLB has come up with. They started with an unfinished rule and it's still unfinished today. Having a rule update every single week isn't a fix. Whoever had the bright idea for a pitch clock should be fired.

@evandillon5339 Жыл бұрын

@@FoxtasticGaming i mean your just being willfully ignorant if you think that. in the vast majority of games the pitch clock is hardly a factor at all. and in just about all games the game length has been cut down by half an hour. its a big rule change so there will be growing pains. every sport has had things like this, from rule exploits to large changes.

@jamescoleman7858 Жыл бұрын

@@FoxtasticGaming If they had those rules, they should have used them. The games were too long, mostly thanks to the bullshit done between pitchers and hitters between pitches. There needed to be a fix, and this is it. Give it a couple of years for everyone to learn where the limits are.

@BlakeSmith-jh1hj Жыл бұрын

Just let the guys play the game. Tired of this damn pitch clock already and it's only May

@priceright8963 Жыл бұрын

I swear, Calvinball is easier to follow than this pitch clock.

@SpinyBadger Жыл бұрын

Seriously starting to wonder if MLB want the final, decisive play of the WS to be a pitch clock violation.

@RockstarFlipper Жыл бұрын

Of course they do. Controversy = free publicity

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

Like all WS-ending plays, that will be decided by the actions of the players. By October, they oughtta know the rules. Like....can you imagine if a WS game ended due to obstruction? People would lose their minds!!

@jeremyburleson3005 Жыл бұрын

So help me on this, I may be missing something. If I read the updated Contreras guidance, it talks only about the feet while engaged with the pitcher. Why is what Rojas did the second time a violation? What I mean is, why can he not have both feet in the box and just look down (like he did) until he is ready then look up. The guidance does not say anything about being in the box (one or both feet) and NOT engaged. What violates the guidance if they simply do not engage until 9?

@jeremyburleson3005 Жыл бұрын

Or as a follow up to apply it to the rule itself. Contreras was just standing there, one in, one out, looking at Jansen. What, in the new rule, prohibits him from doing the same thing, just not looking (engaging), at Jansen?

@evanjungwirth1477 Жыл бұрын

@@jeremyburleson3005 nothing, he'd just get a strike. they just messed up on the final example and forgot to apply the rule that they applied earlier in the game. should have been a strike, not a ball.

@mikestephen3086 Жыл бұрын

All of these delays regarding these new crazy rules are ADDING time. Whatever happened to the good old summer relaxing summer pastime?

@MichaelScott-ov5ct Жыл бұрын

Its confusing for people and not in line with the enjoyment of the game. This will have a continued negative effect and will start causing a drop in viewership if they dont get it worked out or find another way.

@jonathanr1891 Жыл бұрын

I honestly don't see the pitching clock lasting more than this season, or at the most next season. The rule has been rewritten about 20 times.

@attanaseoj Жыл бұрын

I can see how people & players are frustrated. I don't watch enough to figure out this rule. Once all the gamesmanship has played out and the rules have been modified, I think it'll level out.

@bP-yr3po Жыл бұрын

Now the umps are interpreting intent. Good job rule people. You made the cops cop-ier. Is this the NBA

@shannonbradley2879 Жыл бұрын

Remove the pitch clock now this is stupid I’m tired of it

@JayT10200 Жыл бұрын

I LIKE HOW THE PITCH CLOCK IS SUPPOSED TO SPEED THE GAME UP BUT IT SEEMS ITS JUST SLOWING IT DOWN!

@poluticon Жыл бұрын

If I were a pitcher I’d just wait until 8 seconds to come set, that’s the only way I can see to avoid all this crap

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

That's because you're too smart to be an MLB player. You're exactly correct. It's extremely damn simple.

@BASEBALLFURIES. Жыл бұрын

oh, never realized (or outright heard) the catcher has to be in the box at 9 seconds.... we gotta make the fielders ready at 11..... umpires ready at 12.... security in place by 14

@MrTommyg024 Жыл бұрын

They really should just wait until the batter has his eyes up and in the box before starting the clock, but whatever. (I’m not suggesting a really long clock in this circumstance; it’d be something along the lines of 5-8 seconds.)

@akiwi69 Жыл бұрын

I hope you guys see this. After a pitch clock violation does the clock restart to 30 seconds or 15/20?

@michaelfalkner1186 Жыл бұрын

The worst thing about the pitch clock is the fact that games are 20+ minutes shorter. Not going anywhere.

@TacoTot Жыл бұрын

The Phillies went from being in the World Series to being just above last place in the NL East. I can promise you it's not the pitch clock's fault.

@derksforeal7960 Жыл бұрын

I like those colored dots. They should have those at the ballpark behind the catcher and in the outfield so everyone is set and ready. Almost like the tree in drag racing

@sethheasley9538 Жыл бұрын

I've always hated the games played by pitchers, where they'd hold the ball with obviously no intent of ever delivering a pitch, so I'll take the pitch clock rules. But there's a fair bit of crap going on here, too. For the most part, though, I love the pitch clock and rarely even notice it's being used.

@PantsofVance Жыл бұрын

In order to solve a believed problem (game length) they created a whole bunch of new ones. Classic.

@michaeldehart648 Жыл бұрын

Went to a Round Rock Express game. 9 innings and not one pitch clock problem. Maybe the bigs should just play the damn game.

@derekholmes4792 Жыл бұрын

Makes the game longer

@deputyduffy Жыл бұрын

And this is supposed to speed up play, how is all this arguing and ump meetings speeding up play.

@extracrispyz Жыл бұрын

These rules ruin baseball. I no longer want to go to games.

@auscolpyrtosspott9175 Жыл бұрын

Manfred said this is a good thing

@priceright8963 Жыл бұрын

He also said the World Series trophy was "a piece of metal".

@RocketCityGardener Жыл бұрын

Why not just a clean 8 seconds for the batter to get ready and into the box. 8 seconds to pitch the ball. Batter can be looking wherever he wants. Pitcher can setup however he wants.

@TheMonsterbed75 Жыл бұрын

how long before there is a red light/ green light for pitchers to watch 🤣

@chocolatecoveredgummybears Жыл бұрын

year 2200. a green light is displayed. and then a robot announces the words "pitcher, you have the right but not the obligation to throw the ball towards home plate. you may begin"

@r.schmalzried7315 Жыл бұрын

If they would have let the Scherzer stuff go and quit changing the rule, the players would have adjusted and it wouldn’t be the mess it’s become.

@rhysrogers6103 Жыл бұрын

When the batter has two feet in the box, I dont care what happens, he better be ready to hit. Thats an indication he is ready.

@smoothee6586 Жыл бұрын

shaving 15 mins off of a 3 plus hour game is crazy

@jaimeag2006 Жыл бұрын

Follow the rules but not like that... How many times are they going to re-address this rule ? This does not seem to be the saving grace for the game people say it is.

@sbellock5 Жыл бұрын

I get irrationally annoyed with Kimbrell's weird bird thing.

@coulie27 Жыл бұрын

What a mess. No clocks in baseball!

@Phil007QOS Жыл бұрын

Just get rid of the pitch clock and its stupidness!! Its not worth the problems its causing every day. Making everyones jobs harder than it needs be. Really think this is why 10 umps retired so they didn’t have to deal with the BS. Wouldn’t be surprised if after this season another whole bunch of umps call it quits and even a bunch of players call it quits. Just hope the umps or players or something puts up a fight and hopefully get rid of this bullshit!!

@totallykoolyeah Жыл бұрын

"It's saving the sport"

@jameslawrie1617 Жыл бұрын

Not a baseball fan, but am a sports person. This seems like the pitch clock rules have done more to slow the game down and make it confusing for players and fans, than MLB rules committees intent. Not great frames design and obviously not tested on real life game’s enough.

@jameslawrie1617 Жыл бұрын

Edit: rules design

@jamescoleman7858 Жыл бұрын

The only problem with that is that, on average, the games are shorter by almost 30 minutes a night without a notable offensive decrease. The changes are working, everyone's just looking for the limits of the rules.

@johnwagg1538 Жыл бұрын

I’m not a baseball fan, didn’t watch, not trying to watch. But the new pitch clock surely seems like more of a debacle than a good idea

@Paintballpro18 Жыл бұрын

Here's my rule, get rid of how fast/slow a pitcher, batter, and/or catcher have to be ready. The ball has 20 seconds to come back across home plate in some way or form. Boom, no need for new rules. Either the batter is ready or not, no need to adjust your gloves every pitch, they aren't going anywhere.

@Packageman51 Жыл бұрын

Now, I'm even more confused. What did she say? Way to complicated...

@Highvoltage319 Жыл бұрын

More control by the umpires is exactly what this game needed. Lol.

@nickcokkle5669 Жыл бұрын

How about at 8 seconds or some random number, pitcher can pitch regardless of where the batter is. I feel like all of this is just flopping in the nhl or nba. Eventuality it will work itself out, cant deny the pitch clock is a net positive and it being brought about leaves the players with no one to blame but themselves

@KevinQuinn81 Жыл бұрын

I will never understand why people who make rules too often move in the direction of making a new rule or clarification when something about a rule isn't working the way they want when taking away the last rule or adjustment or enforcing already in place rules would suffice. The pitch clock system (9/8/0 is fine) but like I've said here before, just enforce the quick pitch rules already in the book and there would be no need for Scherzer/Contreras/etc. rules.

@joshnaudi Жыл бұрын

If a runner leading off of 3rd, takes hard steps in an attempt to induce a balk, time shall be called and the runner will moved from 3rd base back to 2nd.

@Baldeagle-tw2nv Жыл бұрын

No, it should be an out. Inflict severe punishments for intentional acts to cheat abusing rules, and players will stop it.

@galatcompuertorico8461 Жыл бұрын

Madness.

@Yos.5 Жыл бұрын

Pitch Clock wants to make baseball like a VIDEO GAME!! - Btw, It looks like Rojas was trying to abuse the rule and do some stupid game but caught with big strike out. Nice Kimbrel!