Uh oh! Sounds like they didn't do proper vac metal clear sealent coating on them. Even this early joint flaking wear is a extremely bad sign. Anyone remember the transformers beast wars transmetal rat trap? That thing started flaking as soon as you took it out of the package when it was released back in the day. That's what happens when you skip seal coating vac metal.And I hate to say it, but high articulation flaking wear excuse is total bull muffins. Look at the vintage figures arm sockets. every part of those arms are vac metal. Including the peg /male conector that the arm swings on. I beat the heck out of those figure, and swung the arms and legs religiously. And you know what? those socket joints were the most prestine part of the vac metal on all those figures to this very day. Those weren any less friction stressed than a ball joint or modern hinge. Modern plastics not taking the vac metal process I could believe, but joint friction being the bigger issue? No. The actual reason companies stopped doing the vac metal process is because it was litterally poisoning the factory workers. So in actuality for Super7 to do vac metalling again they either need to throw ethics and factory workers health to the wind. Or go back to reinvent the wheel on vac metalling to make it safer. Which one do you think would have them not admit those problems or changes in the process? The answer to that is probably worse than consumers would want to believe....

I think a very metallic paint (like Neca uses sometimes) would have been fine. Bizarre how they couldn’t find middle ground.

I guess the positive side is that this is good news for my wallet. I've been cutting back on collectibles in general, and I never did buy the previous versions from S7. I was kind of tempted by these. I definitely prefer the look of Monstar and Buzz-Saw in their toy colors. As a kid, I had the main 5 Silverhawks, Commander, Stargazer, Flashback... and on the villains side I only had Monstar and Buzz-Saw, so those two villain figures in those colors are very nostalgic for me. The vac metal S7 figures look cool, but I've been worried what that would mean from a QC perspective, and based on this video, it is not good. Also I had noticed in pic that Quicksilver seemed a little too dark in color, and this video confirms that. While I am otherwise nostalgic for the vac metal look, and while it is annoying that these came out after Brian said they couldn't be done.... what REALLY bothers me is that we never got the versions that were promised early on. In some interview with Brian (it may have been that same one you had with him when he said vac metal couldn't be done), he had said that they were going to try to get find paint that would be as shiny in color as possible, but without doing a vac metal/chromed look. I was interested in seeing how that would turn out, at it seemed like a reasonable compromise. But instead, they released them in these dull, not at all shiny, supposedly "cartoon accurate" colors, which didn't do much for me, so with that coinciding with when I was starting to cut back on collectibles anyway, I opted to not bother with them. Then they announced these toy variants with the Vac Metal. I was potentially interested, but annoyed on behalf of those who already bought the previous versions (and REALLY glad that I hadn't bought them), but also concerned based on what Brian said when you interviewed him when they were first shown. He made it sound like there would be plenty of replacements available, etc., basically anticipating there being a lot of problems with these. That didn't give me much hope. And it was still contrary to what fans had been told, even if somehow they would have come out without any major issues. But as seen in your video here, there ARE some glaring issues. And given all that is now known, I would still prefer those theoretical versions with really shiny paint and no vac metal, but we will likely never get those. Heck, even if they were to try to release those, how many people would actually buy them? Anyone who bought the first versions thinking they'd be the only options, and then bought these only to have some major QC issues are NOT likely to give S7 their money again on more versions of these absurdly overpriced figures. On some level Monstar and Buzz-Saw are tempting to me, but if I'm not getting the main heroes, I don't have much interest in collecting just the villains. This whole thing is a mess.

@@ZedMazaus480 As someone with several Soul of Chogokin figures it isn't "bull muffins" as you put it, Chrome on modern toys scruffs and flakes super easy.

@@ZedMazaus480 No, it has nothing to do with sealant coating. It's not worth it. This is a case of people just saying that they want a thing without knowing how it's actually done.

"No, we would have accepted a more silver paint than the vac metal!"

Silver is just metallic gray. Just like gold is just metallic yellow.

Nah, fans wanted the vac metal; just like the original figures.

If Brian Flynn said it, it’s a lie, even if it comes true he lied and it was an accident

brian is very good on lying!!! his excuses makes me laugh hard!!!

THat's correct. because vac metal basically is dipping the entire piece to the paint so it adds thickness. So to counter it you will have to sand off the part to make it fit easier. I don't have a set of these vac metal silverhawks but I suspect in person, the parts will will less elastic that what you normally would get.

@@ConstantineCydonea Chrome paint rubs and flakes on moving parts it isn't a lie.

@@ConstantineCydoneaI don’t think that’s fair. Brian said they couldn’t do it at the time. They had to redesign the joints to fit together with the vac metal and took quite a bit of time to get it right. He also warned early on that flaking was going to possibly be an issue. That said, I have my chromed out Steelheart on my shelf in the pose I want her im and don’t plan on playing with her at all, so she looks great.

Same thing happened to my ultimate Dukes neck. Also had issues with storm shadow. Super 7 have great sculpts but their quality doesn’t justify the cost.

My regular non-chrome Steelheart had the same neck seam/peg issue.

Yeah, people don't realize it's not the 80s anymore and what was possible then isn't now. See also playsets.

The cartoon steelheart didn't do that. The alterations for the vac metal is the issue. Flynn said these things prior but they still wanted it.

@@tyreewilson2140 My non-chrome cartoon version of Steelheart had the exact same issue with the neck seam coming apart and the peg popping out. So that particular issue is with the original design/mold, and not due to the vac-metal. I've even had that issue with figures from other lines as well.

@@Alatartheblue damn…I stand corrected. Must’ve not been widespread enough for this is my first time seeing or hearing this. I hope I didn’t come off disrespectful as it was not my intention 🙏

U would have been happy . Not me , I want vac or nothing

@Charmander009 The novelty of vac is cool but lt literally chips of after taking it out the box of posing (wasting money). Vac could definitely work for a statue or maquette.

I was thinking that the whole time they were onscreen. Insane as it may sound thats what I do with my OG Hawks and Transmetals.

EXACTLY

Yep. If they made the paint shiny like they did for Destro and Czarface there'd be no issue in the first place.

Half the people that complained would've whined just the same.

Well, then fans will whine that it's not vac metal. I think fans of the cartoon will be happy that series 1 was close to the cartoon colours. However, the original plan was to use a nice metallic paint but that development didn't work out because of the pandemic.

Metallic paint doesn't give shiny mirror finishes like the people who complained wanted. Chrome paint has problems with rubbing and flaking on moving parts no matter how you apply it: see Molotov Liquid pens.

They warned people this would happen and people kept dogging them anyway so they finally did it like they wanted. And would you look at that? They were right all along.

Neca does the same thing. But the guys wanted it so bad then let them foot the vac metal bill 😅😅

Not what the collectors asked for

​@@tyreewilson2140yes it was. They just listened to the wrong collectors.

If you keep your eyes peeled the Wave 1 version can be found at a much more reasonable price. I got mine for 45 from BBTS on a daily deal. Its a fantastic figure and at that size and price was cheaper than an oversized Marvel Legends; but that was luck and timing. That toy version will likely be in shorter supply, so I would not count on that specific version being discounted but who knows.

@@MrWolf12000 I was going to say the same thing, and I think I got the same deal as you. The new one might be shorter supplied, but I don't know, I don't think there is a lot of demand for Silverhawks, and Super7 may have actually killed collector's enthusiasm for the line by playing these games with saying they couldn't do vac metal, and now putting them out. I guess we'll see. Incidentally, I did get the toy version of Mon-Star. It is... okay. Limited articulation is still frustrating (hard to get him to sit in his throne) and his entire torso is completely unpainted, just colored plastic. Not only that, but I had the old figure, and I based on my memories and this video, he had a semi-gloss finish, but the new release is completely matte all over. I don't hate it, but it does feel lacking, especially for such a high price point.

Nice joke dude! The fact that you worded it so seriously makes it even funnier 😂

@@mr.rocket7550 I'm not sure he's joking. Sure, they are priced like premium collectibles, but the quality is generally just not there. They cost more than Mythic Legions, for example, but are definitely not as good.

​@@mr.rocket7550oh he's not joking. He actually has a good point. They are priced way too high for what they are. They are $35 figures at best.

They are premium collectibles. But often they do cartoon characters that doesn't have a dazzle or eye catching details more high end companies do.

@@yauyuso sorry, strong disagree. It's not just the style that makes something a premium collectible, although that does help. But the engineering, tolerances, amount of paint and precision of application, even quality of sculpting, all play into that. The S.H. Figuarts Dragon Ball characters (not Z, original DB) all have a cartoony appearance, but still strong sculpting and paint applications. Super7's products are mostly at the level of Hasbro and Mattel. Sometimes they release a banger, and they do tend to load out the accessories at least, but a lot of it is greatly underwhelming (their Power Rangers figures, for example, are not even as good as the remastered Lightning Collection, IMO. I also purchased their Cobra BAT, but honestly do not find it particularly superior to the Classified version).

None of those figures have vac metal so it's not comparable in the slightest.

People wanted shiny silverhawks not necessarily vac metal. A shiny metal paint app would've sufficed.

@@dannycruz5446 but that's not what people were bitching about. They wanted it like the toys. Super7 said ok and it's clearly dumb. I knew it would be unnecessary. I rather have cartoon accurate characters than vac Metal, which never last long.

@@dannycruz5446 No, they clearly begged for vac metal.

@@JulioGomezNYC Honestly, I get what they mean. They could have at least celshaded them, instead we got flat and boring ones.

@@kaylemathewcomendador6964 Then it would've look too cartoonish. Somehow it works with 1/6 scale X-Men but the original release are good, as they look like what I remember in the show. Vac is just a gimmick

I like the phrasing "this Japanese toyline called Saint Seiya", like it's an obscure thing. In Europe (especially Italy) and of course Asia it's actually massive!

​@@gianluca.pastorelli in latin america too

They don't use vac metal anymore it's all diecast and metallic paint, I have a few and there isn't any vac metal on any Saint Seiya figures.

@@ryanbobadilla2527 I have two of them myself and to OP yes, they do scratch and the instructions flat out warn you to be SUPER careful with handling and attaching parts to minimize risk of damage to the paint.

No the vac metal on Saint seya is only on armor parts that attach to the base body

Buzzsaw is actually $10 more than the original release 😮

Same here.

That seems to be the eternal question. I mean, Silverhawks isn't MOTU or Transformers or something where it has a huge fanbase demanding slavish cartoon accuracy. I really doubt many people would have been disappointed with shiny metallic paint.

@@Freefall347 The music intro of the cartoon is a lot of fun, but the cartoon itself is pretty bad. The old toys are what always came first. The whole situation is a big misfire.

@mannaandmonsters I have that cooler fig but it does have some flaking so not true as far as chromed out figs not one company is perfect.

@@Redeemer23collectibles I have that figure as well. I had to mess with it for a while before I had flaking of any kind. Also didn’t have to worry about limbs falling off or looseness in the joints.

I have several Soul of Chogokins that have flaking and scruffs on their chrome parts just from being stored so yes it very much is an issue and not just Super 7.

Actually no Metal cooler only has vac metal on armor pieces all the base body and joints are all painted silver

Not to dimiss S7 qc issues, but SHF are just as if not more expensive from a far more experienced toy company. Not excusing anything but we cant seriously compare the quality of S7U to SHF. Its Apples and Steak. OT I have long thought that Ultimates needed to be in line with NECA pricing

It would cause it to frost/fog.

No they don't ever make figurs fully vm. They add vm armor bits to foguarts figures

​@@tyronewested694 there are special coating Gundams; theres a PG RX-78 thats outer shell is entirely vac metal trees of parts. Its an incredible sight to behold but anxiety inducing AF

Shart is waaaaay to rough with any fig to trust him lol but Dan sure