Planing VS Sanding

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Any hand tool enthusiast will tell you, hand planes produce a better surface with more clarity even after finishing. But is that true? I tend to use scrapers and planes as the last step prior to finish mostly because it saves on sandpaper and creates less dust. If the surface actually looks better after finishing too, then using these tools as a final step before finishing is a no-brainer!
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@woodwhisperer 6 жыл бұрын

Don't forget to check out the full article on our website for further conclusions and some hi-res images so you can judge for yourself: www.thewoodwhisperer.com/videos/planing-vs-sanding/ And if you're looking for a copy of my book, you can pick one up here: www.twwstore.com/product/hybrid-woodworking

@eduardvaniersel7535 6 жыл бұрын

Was there any difference in how the different surfaces felt?

@woodwhisperer 6 жыл бұрын

Yes. The planed surface was actually much rougher, but that's probably due to the high angle of the plan and the extreme figuring. most times a nicely-planed surface will feel like glass.

@donnguyen2318 3 жыл бұрын

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@3x3CustomTamar 6 жыл бұрын

I need to start building up my hand tool collection.... that was super informative

@BatCaveCreations 3 жыл бұрын

3 years later and still helpful! Thank you!

@WorthdoingwellCanada 6 жыл бұрын

Generally speaking the hand planed surface will of course absorb the finish more because you're leaving those pores open. Osmo LOVES open pores because the natural oils soak in way better. That's why the original flooring guys using Osmo Polyx generally only sand to 120. When I am doing something like a table top I only sand to 150 when using Osmo Polyx (sometimes water pop the grains although the Osmo Germany guys say you don't need to water pop). For a figured wood maybe 180, rarely 220 because, like you said, you're closing the pores by that point. Your smoothness comes from the natural waxes curing on the surface and your 320 sanding between coat 1 and coat 2 of the Polyx. And you want to apply 2 coats. Again, if anyone ever wants more tips and tricks for the Osmo lineup - please feel free to contact me - that's what I'm here for guys!

@TheCHRISCaPWN 6 жыл бұрын

This is actually very helpful in helping me understand these methods and their attributes. Thanks a lot for this small but helpful video!

@ToolMetrix 6 жыл бұрын

That's the most fair and objective look at this topic that I've ever seen. Thanks for the effort, Marc!

@Vormulac1 6 жыл бұрын

Don't forget; sanding is a chore, planing is immensely satisfying :)

@WoodByWright 6 жыл бұрын

Preach it brother preach it!

@darceron 6 жыл бұрын

haha James! Of course!

@mlubecke 6 жыл бұрын

I love when you create these types of video And the planed one was my favorite. Thank you

@ScrapwoodCity 6 жыл бұрын

Always interesting and informative videos! Thank you very much for sharing!

@codacreator6162 3 жыл бұрын

Answered EXACTLY the questions I had about sanding. Thank you!

@gosselinjeremie3033 6 жыл бұрын

From Quebec, Canada, Thanks for all your video. It's helpful

@llhand 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing this test. It's really impressive to see the difference.

@anthonyboudreaux3675 6 жыл бұрын

As always love your videos. Thanks for posting. I tend to not see any difference between scraping and planning as long as the scraper is taking shavings and not making dust.

@HovingtonInstruments 6 жыл бұрын

Great information Marc, This sample was just amazing... I don't think we were able to see the extent of the variation in the video as much as you have in your shop but from what I saw I would definitely go with the plane...

@EloquenteMente 6 жыл бұрын

Wow, gorgeous wood

@CammiesGarage 6 жыл бұрын

Great test! Very informative.

@cna9708 4 жыл бұрын

First video i clicked on after searching and its all i wanted see an hear. Thanks so much!

@robertschaeffer5861 6 жыл бұрын

thanks for the demo, really nice grain, severed is my favorite...

@guschiggins921 6 жыл бұрын

I think what you touched on towards the end of the video explains why a lot of us choose to use hand planes. I like them, among other things, because I simply don't have to sand most surfaces before finishing. And since they're an integral part of the milling process for me anyway, it's not extra work to keep them in good working order specifically for this.

@154Jamesp 6 жыл бұрын

Great vid. Unfortunately, many newcomers to the woodworking world don't realize the value of good hand tools. It's great to have guys like you give them the heads up. I love my power tools more than the next guy, but I always go to the hand tools to massage the perfect fit or contour. Plus, many people don't realize that they don't need a $1,000 jointer if they're not doing production work. I used my #4 Stanley plane for many years, and still do, using the jointer only when I have a lot of board feet to clean up. Keep up the great work!

@FredMcIntyre 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the insight Marc! 👍👊

@Thom4123 6 жыл бұрын

This was something I thought about the end result plane vs. sandpaper and I’m with you a good sharp blade like you said. Marc this was a awesome test.

@BruceAUlrich 6 жыл бұрын

Good information. It was very interesting to see the differences. Thanks for sharing!

@jimgam730 6 жыл бұрын

Wow, that was eye opening. thanks for sharing. gonna have to invest in a good plane and start using it more

@rustyrebar9647 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! Thank you so much !!

@FrankDoesIt 6 жыл бұрын

Very good experiment!

@drumman1185 6 жыл бұрын

Very useful. Thank you!

@phishy96 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark. Informative video, would have never known.

@Natedoc808 4 жыл бұрын

As a true beginner in finish wood working (former framer/builder) I could not agree more with the quality of surfaces achievable via hand plane and there are many a snob out there which turn many of us beginners off so thank you for acknowledging the hybrid approach and not brow beating us like the purists tend to do. Many people balk at the hand planing because of the cost factor associated with getting into it but I jumped in and went with the Lie Nielsen No 62 low angle jack plane kit as a christmas gift as it came with three blade types, and a good how to video. I still use my belt and oscillating sanders when needed or when using ply as the veneer cannot take a plane blade (too thin). The materials definitely come into play for the beginners also as many of us use veneered ply for larger surfaces as we are learning so we don't blow it (which we do anyways) and ruin a big piece of solid wood and cost ourselves a lot of money. Always things to consider but I appreciate you staying neutral and making this an argument/brow beat/superiority complex type video but instead sticking to results.

@cluxseltoot 6 жыл бұрын

Amazing difference - it is the Plane finish for me. Thank you for making this video - very informative.

@chimistegaulois4339 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this vidéo, good test, very helpfull

@missartist123 6 жыл бұрын

This was fantastic! Thank you!

@royfass 6 жыл бұрын

Bravo Marco!

@lincolndickerson1293 Жыл бұрын

Hybrid woodworking makes the most sense to me. What do you want to do? What is the best (today) tool (for me) to use. As I grow my hand planing and chiseling skills sanding is becoming a smaller part of my journey. Thanks for showing the differences in the finishes.

@cando9609 6 жыл бұрын

That was cool, Marc. Thanks!

@mduvigneaud 6 жыл бұрын

Awesome, Marc! Thank you! This was a very cool and informative video.

@RiaanOliver 6 жыл бұрын

Very informative, I think it’s time to get myself a good quality hand plane.

@JackmanWorks 6 жыл бұрын

First Honda, and now big plane is in your pocket. Good for you.

@jimcooney9019 6 жыл бұрын

that was good information. thanks for the video

@jparra4766 6 жыл бұрын

Incredible comparison. Thanks. I don't like actually doing this kind of experiment so I like the fact that you did it for me. Thanks again.

@collin2859 6 жыл бұрын

Great Video

@AdrienRochereau 6 жыл бұрын

it actually makes sense, when sanding your are pushing some of the removed material back into the wood, averaging the color basically. when planing your just remove an even ribbon smoothing the surface, so no "averaging" of the wood color/grain

@dan__________________ 6 жыл бұрын

I get those lines from the scraper when the burr is uneven or dull. When it's sharp it doesn't do that.

@richardpatterson4312 6 жыл бұрын

so I'm thinking I should get better with my lathe tools. I've had a near finish surface with a few small ridges that I then sanded and muted the depth. Good video.

@zioMav89 3 жыл бұрын

great video

@michaelkerwin6525 6 жыл бұрын

I️ have recently started scraping my boards after sanding and can tell a big difference. I️ hope add a plane or two soon. Thank you for the great information.

@GustafsonBen 3 жыл бұрын

You have a scraper, but not a plane? I can't really put a finger on it but that feels so backwards.

@MarcoACasco 3 жыл бұрын

Great video !!!! Hand plane, definitely !!!!

@charlesjacksoniii8787 6 жыл бұрын

Great tips, I try to be a hybrid woodworker as well.

@rhpsoregon 6 жыл бұрын

That was a great demonstration. I think you'll find a cabinet scraper will give you an even better job than a hand scraper or even a low angle plane, especially on complex figured wood. But with hand scrapers, it really depends on the quality of the burr you place on the card.

@bighands69 5 жыл бұрын

It is not true that a scraper is better than a planer or sanding. All three can offer a super smooth finish and it is preference of the craftsman.

@BurtonsAttic 6 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I wonder what the results would be if sanding to a higher grit. Also what would the results be if you tested on not so figured samples or lighter wood. I would think that would bring the results closer together. Sometimes sanding is just easier once your project is assembled even with the dust and time........Great video

@Kreith32 6 жыл бұрын

Nice comparison. Nice to watch. Greetings from Germany.Arne

@jeremyspecce 6 жыл бұрын

Nice scientific comparison. Thanks for taking the time to make it.

@panofish 6 жыл бұрын

Love the mark on your nose Marc. I get that after sanding as well :)

@goognamgoognw6637 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic experience. I'm looking at this more from a different perspective for renovating a table finish without having to retort to the usual heavy chemicals (stripper, oxalic acid, white spirit), and this is where investing in a high quality planer might just work cleanly ? Assuming it's solid wood (not veneer) and i am only planning to renovate the flat top surface (not the legs or curves) then would a planer only approach + stain + finish work ?

@joshuabryan2248 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent test and comparison. Also, a handplaned surface will hold up better in wet environments due to the wood being cleanly sheered, rather than abraded/torn (however with modern wood finishes I suppose it doesn't make much of a practical difference).

@manimazinani8331 6 жыл бұрын

Great idea for a comparison. You talked about the difference in look, but what about the difference in touch/feel after the finish has cured?

@hurcule911 6 жыл бұрын

i think it would have been interesting using one of those micro magnifying equipment to examine the surface better.

@umbalaba 6 жыл бұрын

Very useful video! Yes, the handplane leaves an excellent surface except when it catches a fiber, creates tear out and ruins the surface completely! Sandpaper leaves a nice surface and will never create tear out. Oh and the cost of a good handplane and a good sharpening system is substantial, while the cost of a good roll of sandpaper and an array of sanding blocks is manageable. I myself use both but prefere handsanding (when I have the time) because of the high level of control during the process.

@_thegrayman 6 жыл бұрын

Now you’re green screening powermatic on your t-shirt too?!!! Good video. Thank you

@antoniopiriz193 6 жыл бұрын

Muy bueno

@thomasarussellsr 6 жыл бұрын

100% better looking with the hand plane IMHO. And to my eye, the scraped finish had slightly more congrats than the sanded comparison boards. The ray-fleck and shatoiance was definitely shown better with the plane. Of course, the low angle is best for highly figured woods, there might be significant tear-out with a standard bench plane that would leave a more ragged surface. Also, the iron must be as sharp as possible to get the best results. Beautiful wood with any finish. I'd love to see a finish comparison on a similar plane vs sand-paper with a hand rubbed laquer vs a BLO French polish. The two best finishes in my opinion. Then with the depth of finish we could really see the best of both surface prep methods. Just a thought. Thanks for sharing. Also, a good highly figured maple 🍁 would show a great comparison, I'm sure. Maybe even a dark stain on half to see the effects on sanded vs planed? Oh my mind is racing...

@kramlavuy 6 жыл бұрын

great vid! what is that beautiful wood?

@SkewToob 6 жыл бұрын

I would be interested in seeing the results of a scraper plane because I don't see those used often, but they seem more comfortable to use than a scraper.

@TheWoodYogi 6 жыл бұрын

It would be difficult to not like any of these. What fantastic pieces of wood :) The planed does look a bit better though to me ॐ

@anatolytitov4169 6 жыл бұрын

Very beautiful wood structure! What is it?

@SpencleyDesignCo 4 жыл бұрын

Good job Marc!

@garyknight8616 6 жыл бұрын

Great video Marc. Agree that a planned finish is generally better imho. Would love to know your opinion on sanding to finer than 320 grit. I've heard that it can restrict the absorption of a finish. But there are respectable KZfaqrs who go to 600 grit. Cheers, Gary

@ryanbailey112 4 жыл бұрын

excellent thank you. What is the species of wood?

@frenchriversprings 4 жыл бұрын

What about if you sand up to 800 grit?

@CarlYota 10 ай бұрын

The more you sand the more you clog the pores. The "clarity from a hand plane board comes from the fact that the fibers are severed cleanly. Wood isn’t hard enough to keep abrading with finer and finer grit. In other woods, raw wood doesn’t polish well. Now if you add oil or some substance that hardens then it can be polished up. But sanding wood to 800 isn’t going to do what you want it to do and it’s a ton of work.

@roBLINDhood 6 жыл бұрын

Those are some really pretty boards. :)

@andreicharpentierquesada4530 5 жыл бұрын

im a handplane user. and i love them infact i prefer for much use planes than sandpaper, but there are times where planes cant go easly as pronunced curves or shapes, or some finish than are really thick so you will have to sand yes or yes. but something that i notice is that glue cures better in sanded surfaces than in planed surfaces. so when i plane edges that i have to glue i give to the edges some passes in sandpaper. saluts

@NikosDIY 6 жыл бұрын

I am probably the only one that did not like the wood, but liked the test!

@saiyedmurtaza8755 6 жыл бұрын

Nope ur not alone

@dansolen9451 6 жыл бұрын

I find that If you use a thinner scrapers you get smaller shavings and a finer finish and it is as good as a plane (especially on dificult wood). Thick scrapers leave a rougher surface especially on soft woods, and you can finish with a blunter scaper to burnish after wetting and you'll get a super result. Super experiment but it's imporatant to take into acount that scrapers come after planes in the finishing process and so does sandpaper.

@TobyCostaRica 2 жыл бұрын

I have a horizontal redwood fence made from 1x4s that needs a new layer of stain. Would a planer be ideal to get me down to a new surface of wood again or would a sander be better suited for this job? I figure it would be a lot faster on a planer

@StariusPrime 6 жыл бұрын

Would you ever make a video on honing a plane blade?

@dontaenoel4774 3 жыл бұрын

Would it be okay to use a bench planer to run my unfinished hardwood floors through and then stain?

@CarlYota 10 ай бұрын

Just so newcomers know. When people say "clarity" they mean a surface that looks like it has depth. Figured woods almost look 3 dimensional on the surface. There is an iridescence to a well planed board. It almost shimmers in the light. A really sharp plane can produce a surface that is almost glass-like in its reflectivity. That is to say you can see mildly clear reflections in it. They aren’t super high resolution reflections, to be fair. But wood prepared any other way isn’t reflective at all because it’s simply not that smooth of a surface. Wood isn’t hard enough to polish (sand) to a high level of smoothness like stone or metal is. With the latter two you can just keep grinding the surface with finer abrasives until the scratches are so small they don’t diffuse the light much and that’s what we call "smooth" which produces reflectivity. Wood will simply crush and continue to yield as you scratch (sand) it. The other issue is that as you abrade it finer and finer it clogs the pores. This prevents it from absorbing finishes as well. The sad thing is that figured woods are the ones that benefit from planing the most but they are the most difficult to plane. The more interesting the grain pattern the harder it is to cut cleanly. Some are literally impossible to plane well. Even with the sharpest high angle blades with the throat as closed as possible.

@darkstonedf 6 жыл бұрын

How do you deal with planing wood that is really barky meaning the direction of the grain is going both ways very tightly together such as the case of guawngo a hard wood in Jamaica?

@woodwhisperer 6 жыл бұрын

Basically what you saw here. Best you can do is go with a high angle and a very sharp blade.

@michaelglaser1669 4 жыл бұрын

so many different grits we could go with though.. 80-100-120. that would open the pores. That is standard for wood floors. I wonder if the sanded sample you show here, is because the pores closed more with the higher grit?

@mglinkowski 3 жыл бұрын

How does a planer machine with a helical head stack up?

@Haimrajbiologysingh 6 жыл бұрын

sir accidently acid have fall down on my bathroom wood shleves what should I do now ..its eating or giving bad shaping to wood ..how can I end it

@emanuelelamacchia7079 3 жыл бұрын

Which is the best way to smooth wood before and after staining?

@CarlYota 10 ай бұрын

Technically hand planing because it keeps the pores open. Stain is a penetrating product so it’s in the same category as oils. It wants to soak into the wood. So just refer to the video as it applies to stain as well. That being said if you’re staining wood it’s probably not great wood and maybe it doesn’t matter so much how you finish it.

@MrRichardnantel 6 жыл бұрын

Great

@jasonroets9906 6 жыл бұрын

I completely agree that a planed surfaced of a razor sharp plane leaves a superior surface that is also faster to get. I only found this out once I tried out planning. I used to sand like all my power tool user friends. It's just better and easier once you know how to sharpen properly.

@badbernrock 6 жыл бұрын

That wood is AMAZING! What kind of wood is it anyway? I don't think I heard you mention it...

@woodwhisperer 6 жыл бұрын

Walnut from Goby Walnut.

@Jorgenaut 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for asking! I was wondering the same thing.

@captainsquee471 6 жыл бұрын

ooooohhh Live or Memorex??? Wow the planed and scraped sure do pop and have more ... definition for want of a better word. Thanks for the great video Marc!!

@s4n714g000 6 жыл бұрын

What type of wood is that?

@0v3nm4n 6 жыл бұрын

how could I use a planer to get that level of contrast on something like a Les Paul top?

@steveboyle5245 6 жыл бұрын

How about the Hitachi hydraulic planer that Ishitani uses? Would that be considered a power tool?

@QueenBee3xxx Жыл бұрын

Please can you tell me exactly which PolyX you used and what is the spray lacquer called please 🙏

@billdiehl156 6 жыл бұрын

I've also found that hand planing works best - for what I do anyway. BTW Mark, love your Hybrid Woodworking book!!

@woodwhisperer 6 жыл бұрын

+Bill Diehl thanks so much!

@musiq002003 6 жыл бұрын

What type of wood is this?

@MakeBrooklyn 6 жыл бұрын

Woot hand tools for the win! :) You probably shouldn't let Shannon see this.

@ldwithrow08 6 жыл бұрын

The only problem with sanding is it compresses the grain of the wood. You need to spray the surface with hot water between sanding and let it air dry. This will lift the compressed grain and ready it for the next finer grain of sandpaper.It takes several grades of paper and a lot of time to do it that way, while a plane, providing it is razor sharp, can do it in one pass. I generally go with the plane for flat surfaces. For curved stuff, including gun stocks, sanding is just about the only practical way it can be done. Scraping needs a very uniform grain in the wood, but seems to be a happy medium.

@GVopal 6 жыл бұрын

I'm days away from finishing my first ever project (mostly encouraged that I could actually do it by watching WW videos) and have been really wondering if I should learn to use a hand-planer. My only concern is that the table I'm finishing up is big. 44.5"x88" and the top is only 0.75" thick because that's all I could get for locally sourced wood and I'm worried about messing up the planning and losing too much material. But it's curly cherry and getting that extra contrast might look awesome so now I might need to get some of my scrap wood and start practicing.

@woodwhisperer 6 жыл бұрын

I like using planes, but I'm also not very confident in planing very large surfaces. If it were my table, I'd just scrape it with a card scraper and finish off with a high grit sanding.

@craigcoe2804 6 жыл бұрын

The Wood Whisperer with you on that! Rails and stiles come out great and other relatively small pieces. Buy the best plane you can afford and get practicing!

@GVopal 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the fast reply! Also, I picked up the WW Thread Taps to join the frame to the top and did some test pieces so I don't ruin the top. I was literally incapable of pulling any of the pieces apart/stripping any of the threads out so I'm glad I chose to go that route!

@dustyone5423 6 жыл бұрын

I spotted box of machinery mover box. I just bought few. Reveiw?

@ryanpeterson9753 6 жыл бұрын

Loving the 60fps

@AlCapwndYou 6 жыл бұрын

Not sure if it has already been asked, but I have heard rumors that you "must sand" before applying finish (even with a planed surface). Something about the glossy planed surface not absorbing the finish as well. Any truth to this statement, or is that an old woodworker's tale? Or are some species of wood just more of a challenge to plane, and so sanding becomes a better alternative?

@Guardian_Arias 6 жыл бұрын

why stop at 220 grit? i use 400 all the time

@dlwatib 6 жыл бұрын

What happens when you put the boards through a power thickness planer? Do you get the same smooth finish as a hand plane?

@HdtvTh 2 жыл бұрын

No you generally don't, you might get it with new blade for a couple of passes, but finish ready surface is not the intended purpose of a thickness planer.