somethings disposable are good espcially in hte hospital somethings probably shouldnt be reused, would you want to use resuable depends that another adult used yestereday?

One correction 25:38 (I believe) that apple reduced performance to maintain battery, not the other way around

@unlearningeconomics9021 Veritasium has a LOT of oil propaganda and climate denial, please don't advertise them?

Can i get a source for "the average printer prints for only about 5 hours during its lifetime"? I am not able to find that claim anywhere else but it's a really interesting claim

Frédéric Bastiat, a french economist of the 19th century, wrote against stimulating the economy through destruction, on his Broken Window Parable. If some kid broke a window, it would generate profit for the glassmaker, he would spend it and so money circulates creating wealth for everyone! The child was a hero! The man with the broken windows then said: "But I was going to buy a new pair of shoes! I would have my window and my shoes, now I will have only my shoes, I'm poorer! And even if not, I would save my money and have it for an emergency, with would make me safer, or I would invest it in my bussiness, creating more wealth!". The same applies for planned obsolescence. Note that not every economist used to be so much in favor of capitalism. Some saw capitalism as a way to create distortions on the culture and the economy to favor the elites at the expense of everyone else. Georgists, mutualists, left libertarians and many others see capitalism as much as problem as a powerful government. You even have free market anti-capitalists, if you need to research on youtube. I would recomend The Low Overhead Manifesto, by Kelvin Carson (a modern day Mutualist), were he says that we don't just need an economic reform, but a cultural one, not at ballot, but essentially at grassroots level, were people take the matters at their own hands through DIY, 3D manufacturing, permaculture, resiliency, etc. It's a really nice read, it changed my worldview.

Such a good point! This is the thing that pisses me off about market fundamentalist retorts of "if the consumer wanted more durable goods, they would buy them". Try it!! Your boots are such a good example

A "market oriented" regulation that I would support wholeheartedly on fashion would be state-enforced labelling on durability of goods in certain categories, with a regulator to test them. Even anti-socialist types could go along with that, surely. Fine, let the customer decide! But arm them with the information to do so: every t-shirt, every pair of jeans, every pair of boots, carries a label clearly marking its durability (maybe a traffic lights system? Or just bands for expected lifespan). Even the most neoliberal market-oriented intervention such as this could make such a big difference! Because at the moment, you can easily pay 5x the price to buy the "quality" product only to still find it falls apart in a couple of years! With clothes it's particularly bad, this is a problem that nebulous "market forces" alone, undirected, simply won't solve

Capitalists assume perfect information. However, a famous quote from the internet is the best counter to capitalism: 'Two things are endless: the universe and human stupidity. I'm not sure about the former.'@@Muzikman127 It isn't just consumers who are stupid, but even businesspeople are often stupid.

@@Muzikman127 We have the government testing the energy-efficiency and the safety of many propucts, so reliablityi is very good idea.

@@Muzikman127 i do want to mention that there is already a product category with a quasi durability label: foodstuffs, with best by dates. i mention this because most problems with best by dates easily paralell those a durability label would have.

they're wi-fi connected and if you stop paying they won't walk around anymore

People already do that with credit cards

4$ if you want shoelaces

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​@@marianadias2826Great take! That's the only logical reason for the push for the Internet of Things, which is a totally superfluous tech otherwise.

This is why I discourage buying Apple devices, they are specifically designed to be as anti-repair as possible

Or glass backs. You can't tell me that they are only an aesthetic design choice. They make phones even more vulnerable to falls than before. Or when I needed a new electric stove last year it was pretty difficult to find one with a frame and the shop assistant themselves said that the frameless stove tops break more easily in their experience.

well there's like out of your way maliciousness from Apple I don't have the experience that you do obviously but from what I've seen my tinkering it's just choosing what's the cheapest most half-assed way of doing it and let's do that. big blobs of hot glue usually hard the result

@@kenon6968 I feel like they go out of their way to make it difficult or destructive for you to try to repair something

Exactly. "Ok fine, you can repair our stuff🙄 we're just gonna make it either next to impossible to take apart or make it so you must buy OUR proprietary tool to fix it"

We really need to go back to the “waste not, want not” mindset. It may have been born from hard times in the past, but it’s solid advice.

Thrift Store stuff is actually better quality than new things these days. A trend I have noticed in the last 10 years.

That's unfortunate. PTFE is a coating that's really hard to remove chemically, but if it's already peeling, maybe you can remove it mechanically by abrading it off.

Might make you feel better to know the pans cause cancer?

Non stick is a fraud. All you need in a pan to inhibit food sticking is fat, either butter, olive oil or lard. It worked for hundreds of years

here is an idea if you want to: turn them into decorations, glue some stuffs that is related to her cooking to it then just hang em for display. Maybe fake food or dried spices.

I also lost my mom a few year ago to lung cancer and i treasure each items as they remind me of her. 😢

Profits, profits, profits. Your 1957 Singer machine would've been disregarded as unprofitable by the 70s and 80s

​@toyotaprius79 this is true, singer used to have a trade in program to convince people to "upgrade" to newer models and to get the older more durable models off the market (they were usually destroyed)

I absolutely love old sewing machines, I've gotten into the habit of finding beat up ones (usually for ridiculously low prices) and fixing them up so they can find a new home, it's very satisfying

My mom’s got an old Singer (not sure what year) that’s probably 3 times my age and it runs flawlessly.

Pah! 1957? I won't have any of that modern rubbish! 😉My sewing machine is a 1920s model. Seriously, that's an excellent choice. I love my old Singer sewing machine. It cost a fraction of a new machine, it's basic but works perfectly for what I need. And I have it out on display because it looks so beautiful.

Right, yeah I’m finishing my degree in oboe performance this spring and many oboes are made out of grenadilla wood which isn’t endangered yet but is on track to be if trade isn’t closely monitored. I’m grateful and privileged to be at a music school like IU Jacobs where one of our oboe professors played oboe in the Met Opera and is guest faculty at Juilliard. I mention this because, well it’s mandatory now for all of our oboists to learn what each screw does on our own oboes, at least the 15 main ones, learn all their primary and secondary keys for each screw, so we can do basic repairs on our oboes ourselves. I’m not sure many other oboe studios in the U.S. do this, maybe at Juilliard/Curtis/Eastman, but even then it’s been invaluable to get to know my instrument on that level, because so many professional oboists rely on busy repair workers for simple repairs. I don’t play bassoon but we do have double reeds and reed making in common, which is a whole other can of worms. I mean, cane is so expensive, a never ending money pit, for what? So 300 oboists with graduate degrees from top music institutions with the nicest instruments can audition for one spot in the Indianapolis Symphony? Being an oboist and classical musician is so unsustainable, and as someone that grew up on food stamps and played on a $200 oboe with mold on the keys who didn’t own an oboe until after I was accepted into IU Jacobs having played the oboe for a decade at that point, I can’t help but acknowledge the lack of sustainability. It sort of drives me mad honestly, I’m grateful to have a full ride to IU since I grew up in the lowest income bracket in Indiana, but I see all my colleagues and their families dropping 10s of thousands of dollars on tuition and costs for music school or especially for double reeds, buying cane. Plus for bassoon like I know professional bassoons like Heckel Bassoons cost $30,000-$40,000 with a 8-10 YEARS on the waitlist. Like… what? Not to mention every key on the bassoon, at least for nice ones, cost hundreds and thousands of dollars themselves to get them replaced. At this point I’m just venting but as much as I love music and the oboe I’m so sick and tired of this draconian self-centered and self-entitled b.s. that comes with being an oboist. Like single reeds like saxophones and clarinets can buy Vandoren reeds at a store but store bought reeds for oboes are a joke and even a beginner can barely play one because Jones/Emerald (the most popular oboe store bought reed brands) start leaking in a couple hours of use, it’s pathetic. That’s part of why I’m going into STEM, specifically combining my background of music with quantum computing. It sounds strange since sound is inherently a classical phenomena, but just as classical computers in the 1960s were developing alongside music the whole time, I believe in the next 10-15+ years we will start to see more creative applications of quantum computation. My research was the sonification of data from quantum computers, specifically a fancy phenomena called quantum decoherence which is the process of a quantum state decaying or falling apart in the time of microseconds which I mapped to hertz so you can sonify a.k.a. physically hear a unique representation of this data that’s usually in the time domain which gets mapped to frequency. All this rambling to say, I treat my brain and mind as a gift (from God or whatever you believe) and I want to use that gift to help better optimize and help the world around me, or at least, not feed into the endangerment of grenadilla wood, or buy and buy and buy cane for the rest of my existence, but rather grow and prosper in the beautiful intersection of art + science, that might lead to more impactful applications for humanity in the future (at least with quantum computing applications probably in health or biology).

@@alexalani10101 The unsustainability of the classical music world and all that comes with it is the exact reason I didn't pursue a degree in music. I just wasn't able to see myself being good enough to beat out everyone else for the good symphony spots. Your comment on jones really got to me because I never learned how to make my own reeds. I was really out here struggling to get even the barest of instruction from my band teacher, who really didn't know much about bassoons, so most of what I know is entirely self taught. Quantum computers are super fascinating though. I can't wait to see what kind of applications we can use them for! I really enjoyed the ramblings.

You perfectly articulated my own thoughts

As Richard Wolf put it, if you had a roommate as unstable as capitalism, you’d have moved out long ago.

It is a death cult really.

Well all ya have to do is look at light bulbs to see how the other end also fails. In the early 1900s light bulbs lasted for 100 years plus some. The problem being when they sold all their bulbs, no one was buying any new ones. So once their customer bases bought all they needed... they went bankrupt fast, so fast that the remaining companies had to get together to make light bulbs shorter lasting in order to make any money to handle overhead. Meaning the sales they were getting when things lasted, wasn't viable enough to keep the lights running (sorry for the pun). That is the problem we have to fix before going back to long lasting products.

Well that just shows how Capitalism is not sustainable.@@AllyMonsters

No you were right with the first one. We are at the dying point. Heaven forbid you could keep a phone for more than 2 years, or use a power source that didn’t kill the entire planet. Gotta make green baby

What's funny is I worked for a large military contractor for nearly 20 years of my career and trust me, the stuff we made for the military was expensive and over-engineered to the hilt, certainly no "planned obsolescence" (other than obviously in a few decades technology would be better). But, yes, it's the old idea of "reliable or cheap, pick one".

This! I have always struggled with these accusations of planned obsolescence. As an engineer myself, never have I ever been tasked with designing or architecting anything with a target obsolescence timeline . It’s always been the stakeholders that come in and pull the rug out from under you by reducing resources or mandating a target price that lead to this.

@@bhanner95 That leads to what? You revising your design choices with a target? Engineers without budget, manufacturing and time constraints can of course design things that are very over spec.

As a child i disassembled everything, with reassembling i mostly failed, but that has changed now. I hate planned obsolescence and whenever something breaks i get excited, because i can repair and "fight" planned obsolescence. Its so satisfying. I have seen so many bullshit constructions. I dont believe anyone, when they say, it is to make products cheaper. They could let it costs 1-5% more and it would take at least twice as long to break. electric toothbrush - just a drop of locktight on a screw for a 120€ product - 5c? - thanks philips babyphone - just 1-2g more plastic behind the usb charging plug - 2c? - thanks philips Washing Mashine - a door with plastic frame which takes all the doors weight on the hinge? seriously? metal frame 5€? could go on... its ridiculous, the rental instead of buying principle is nice, so they build to last in their own interest but this has still to come...

I replaced a batch of capacitors on a pair of active speakers the other day…the manufacturer chose cheap ones that are know to fail, the ones I put in were 4x the price, at £4.50 each, but I won’t have to replace those in my life now.

There are printers you can buy to get around this, both from Canon and other brands. They’re known as “tank” printers… each brand has a slightly different name for it… but they utilize a tank of ink instead of a cartridge, and you fill the tanks from a bottle. The bottles are really cheap and hold more ink than a cartridge does. The printers themselves cost more, but you eventually make up for it if you print enough… and it cuts down on wasteful production of more cheap printers that people buy instead of new cartridges. 😉

Or refill tank from bottle.

My HP printer died before the first ink cartridge ran out I'll never buy another one so much for their planned obsolescence business plan all it did was lose them a customer

I bought and repaired a used HP Laserjet p4015 because I didn't want to give HP money. It only has 80k prints on it and should last years with home use. 🥰

neither do those of us who get to use this absolute useless garbage everyday.

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Fortunately it doesnt ever remember anything

The environment isn't conscious are you an animist or something

@@Happyduderawr Saying the environment never forgets isn't about assigning consciousness to nature or dipping into animism. It's actually more about emphasising the long-term impacts our actions have on the environment, something more than often overlooked in our capitalist system.

actually no I think viedo gaems' Simpsons retrospective is a little better, sorry

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I was shocked it actually took him a full 15 minutes to get to the first reference

​@@spcln8000 sorey eh

i do this so much with phones i will NOT buy a phone without a headphone jack and every time i buy USB cables i get the expensive Belkin cables (i have never had one fail on me) i used to get anker cables but they started creating them out of shit so i quit buying them. I truly believe uninformed consumers and willful ignorance will ruin the economy

@@braydoncoate9583 I'd never heard of Belkin and after some reading, I'm a convert. Thank you!

I bought a B&D corded drill machine and in true form the switch quickly failed. As luck would have it, it failed in reverse mode so you could not say it was still usable. A new switch was almost the price of the drill, so I have been a loyal Makita owner ever since, I have had close to 30 years of reliable use on all my Makita branded power tools with cords (no batteries) and have no desire to ever consider B&D again.

Every product is trash in the end. That is the ultimate problem with consumerism. There is a myth that if we just support the right factory they will make good products that will last forever. It's just another trap, ALL items end up as trash at some point. The only true answer is Minimalism. To use as little as necessary to complete the task.

I believe Terry Pratchett(?) explained how it's more expensive to be poor with boots. The rich man can buy a pair of boots that will last a decade, but the poor man has to buy a bad one, that falls apart, every year. And he'll still have wet feet.

FB marketplace

Yes it's a massive problem, not just in planned obsolescence but in financing as well: there's nothing as expensive as being poor.

@@krkngd-wn6xj 'The reason that the rich were so rich ... was because they managed to spend less money.'

@bunnyfrosting1744 Many towns and cities have Facebook pages for "community support" or for free items, that are often very good items that the people spent good money on, but they don't have the time or energy to sell the items, yet they do not want the items to end up in the landfill. Case in point, because I am moving at the end of this month, and where I am moving to is already furnished, I have already given away a few furniture items that were only 2 years old, including a sofa that I paid $600 for. When I was moving long distance from NYC, I put listings for furniture, clothing, housewares and canned food items. Everything went! Lots of free stuff out there, just need to be in an area where it happens and comb Facebook for listings. Good luck!

Damn really? I never knew I was obligated to buy from Apple or John Deer so their choices limit my rights! Wait... *_shit_* who has a few k for a tractor and a mac!? I gotta get these shipped before anyone finds out I dont already have them! Fuck if only I had bought a Mac instead of a Framework I wouldn't be in this mess!

@@felixjohnson3874 "Damn really? I never knew I was obligated to buy from Apple or John Deer so their choices limit my rights!" And we found the bootlicker.

@@ABaumstumpf cope, I use arch with a degoogled android and a custom built PC. I value my rights, you value laziness and screeching that your rights are being violated because you cant be bothered to take accountability for your purchases. I practice what I preach, you don't practice and instead screech.

@@felixjohnson3874 yes we all know that you have to constantly cope. "I value my rights" You ahave already shown the only thing you are is acting the bootlicker.

Doesn't John Deere functionally have a monopoly on farming equipment?

We had a washing machine that started suffering problems about a few months after 3 years, the ball bearing of the drum was broken, and they sold the part, but didn't tell you how to get the wheel (that the belt runs around) off from the bearing to actually get to the bearing. Electrically it was fine, mechanically it was a write off. We bought a Zanussi after that, and after 5 years it started making arcing noises, and at some day while also doing that, the drum was sitting in position while the program was running: worn out carbon brushes. My dad looked up on Zanussi parts and found new carbon brushes as genuine Zanussi parts for 7,49 euro's and it has been running fine ever since (oh, and getting to those brushes took less than 15 minutes, we took longer to get the machine out of it's position and back in place :P ). That made me give 2 big thumbs up to Zanussi honestly (we also looked at a chart from the Dutch Consumer Union that ranked washing machines brands on how much they tend to outlive their stated specifications for end of life, and Zanussi was above the average of what they state themeselves. They also ranked quite well when it came to replacement parts.

I've been learning to fix appliances lately, and you might be surprised how often a $20 part fixes a broken machine that costs several hundred dollars.

When we cleared out my grandparents house after they passed, the washing machine they bought in the 50s was still working! I think my wife and I are on our 5th or 6th now. They are easier to use, but that old machine got clothes clean for the best part of 60yrs. Maybe needed a new belt!

Buy quartz halogen bulbs wire two in series. They will be dimer but will last forever.

We went out of our way to find speed queens

Annas archive bro

you think just like me

In case you are still struggling with that problem, as a physicist, I can guarantee you that the same thing happened to physics and maths textbooks in the late 20th Century. Unless you are looking for top-of-the-line research, pre-1980's books are better. Dover republishes the best and cost around $10, they are more than worth it

And yet those same farmers are adamantly against any kind of regulation so in the end they settled for John Deere making an empty promise that theyd do better.

IS and *remains* huge for them.

@@FeebleAntelopearguably more important now that tractors have computers and GPS control in them

I was truly shocked at the idea of a farming equipment manufacturer stopping farmers from repairing their own equipment. Of all professions, farming has to be one of the most self-sufficient ones out there.

​@@SupposedlyShinybruh goy detectors

Reminds me of the place where I work. A combination of poor initial construction and negligence have made the building almost unworkable. I would fix it myself, if that's what I was hired to do.

That's not planned obsolescence, that's stupidity. As a (former) architect, most people are just stupid who design those. They aren't intentional

The teachers at my high school (the newest school in the county at least) always said they built the building as cheap as humanly possible. They closed the old high school but since the town people were distraught about it, another company bought the building and its partly a gym and sports field outside, and like police training building

Horrific! European countries are an amazing example of using old buildings, and they are still going strong

That's not planned obsolescence, it's subcontracting.

rather like that whole thing with the Yankee watches, isn't it. Interesting...

I used to do tech support for a phone company. Even when a problem was fully covered by warranty, almost nobody was willing to ship their phone back to Asia for multiple weeks to *maybe* resolve the issue.

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Eh it depends, I have a lifetime warranty on my racelands coilovers, they cost around $1000 Canadian after duties and taxes. About a year after owning them one of the front struts failed, I contacted them, and they covered the shipping without issue. Cut to 5 years later, one of the rear shocks cracked, once again they covered it without any cost to me again. They also sent the replacement before I even sent off the old part too so I could have my car back on the road It really depends on the company you’re dealing with

@@Omgazombie2k; How convenient for you. Of course, it goes without saying that high-end items are almost invariably the exception.

It feels kinda like renting an object that was a object you bought to own. I think the saying goes like this: You will pay for everything, you will own nothing, and you will be happy.

The sad thing is that Fairphone tried to make phones more repairable but, due to their engagement with third parties who carried out the manufacture, the outcome was phones that were repairable... so long as spares were available. Spares for some of their models were available for an abysmally short period of time (18 months?) so those people who did not damage or wear out their phones within that period got no advantage from the improved repairability. Compare this with the British GPO which ran the state phone network for many decades. In the late 50s it commissioned a 'modern telephone', manufactured by private industry to GPO specification. The 'modern telephone' (700-series) was rolled out very slowly over a number of years, initially as a premium service. As subscribers rented their phones from the company, most subscribers were renting 300-series phones produced between the 30s and the 60s, and for many years after the late 1950s, a new subscriber would be rented a reconditioned, used, 300-series telephone and not a 'modern telephone'. After that, new subscribers were rented the modern telephones, but often given refurbished ones, not new. The GPO even had its own repair factory. The GPO had a great interest in keeping the phones running for many decades as it rented them out. They were both expensive to purchase from new, and extremely well-built. While mostly kept as curiosities, some are still in use and usually function after very little overhaul. Of course the GPO also had a virtual monopoly on phone purchasing in the UK and could call the shots. In fact, if you had a GPO line, the GPO would decide what phone you could wire to that line (no plug and socket in them days) so the subscriber simply had no option except the options the GPO offered him (her). I suspect the issue is that, adjusted for inflation, I am told a new 'modern telephone' would have cost around £350 IIRC, but that was with mass-production and the GPO itself was large enough to ensure spares would be available for many years. Clearly Fairphone could never have the purchasing power that the GPO did. Essentially, then, by making so many different models, it means consumers do not have the power to force spares availability, and, as such, while the manufacturers could make your phone stop working remotely, essentially all electronic goods will only work until one cheap stupid component goes and then if you can't get the part, it's all so much scrap metal (plastic).

That's games.consoles, electric cars and anything that needs the Internet to work.

A phone is a difficult one as people really don’t understand that processing power has to scale with data advancements and changes in software. Is it planned obsolescence, or is it that processing requirements are being scaled higher than what your 4-5 year old device is capable of efficiently running. You gotta remember 4-5 years in the tech world is ancient history If we’re talking about stuff like battery life being purposefully reduced though then that’s a different thing, but your phone becoming slower with time is quite normal. Look at advancements in processing tech between 90-2009 for a great example of this. Every year massive breakthroughs in computer tech were happening which pretty much turned your new system into a dinosaur over night, these huge yearly and bi-yearly advancements in performance only started to slow down around 2009 for CPUs (when the core I series launched) and for graphics cards it was closer to 2015 (when gtx 10xx cards launched) We went from 45nm transistors in 2009 to 22nm by 2012 with modern transistors now being 5nm in size. To put that in perspective in the span of 3 years transistor count went from 731 million to 2.1b

I got a cast iron skillet about 4 years ago. Only having that one item to hand wash and reseason is practical and it'll outlast me if I don't leave it in a sink full of water for days on end.

My grandparents bought Steelco pots and pans when they got married in the 1940s. My uncle now has them and still uses them, good as new!

I feel shitty when I cook at my job, things don't get rotated properly or eaten in time and have to get trashed/composted. I make >$20/hr. I can't imagine how the underage kids in the Congo mining cobalt for less than a dollar a day feel about the West's e-waste.

@@jaspern.7702 They probably have much more immediate worries... like hunger and thirst. 😥

Unfortunately so. The documentary “The True Cost” covers the challenges many people in third world countries face when producing goods for the West. In this case fast fashion. It’s heartbreaking and raw, but an important watch that shows how unethical outsourced production can be. The movie is free on KZfaq and I recommend the watch.

I feel like.... the fact that everything is switching to being subscription based is the natural next step to that. Really annoying, and I wish we could just divorce capitalism already.

You especially see this in the airtravel market with tons of junk fees being added to just about everything.

@@BackstabberDDAgreed. It is guaranteed that all subscription models will cost more per month than the cost to buy a product and replace it at some point in the future when you need a new or updated version. Computer programs are a great example of that; since people only use a few of the features of any program, we’re usually happy to keep on using it years past when the makers think we should upgrade.

I think it's the other way around - enshitification is a type of planned obsolescence

@@BackstabberDDthe problem is not capitalism, unfortunately. The problem is monopolisation and globalisation, as well as consumer attitudes. The benefit of capitalism is we have the commodity of choice, something not available in any alternative system. There are good products being made, they are just harder to come by.

I think there is a bit of an ideological battle happening with this phenomenon as my mom told me that growing up, her dad would tell her, "They make those better now", it seems like for a while we were on course for reliability and reusuability being a product standard but capitalism seems to love to ruin everything...

@@kibbles5724 Yeah I get that Capatalism says "If it brakes then they will buy a new one". I would much rather Capatalism says "Make this product to solve this problem forever then move onto the next product and solve the next problem"

@@jamessharpe1717 The thing is that some companies were approaching a model of "always improve". The kaizen principle of Japanese companies like Toyota is just that. Never deviate from the original product purpose and always work to improve it, not upsell it. One could argue its the glimmer of hope within capitalism but I'd be selling you too much if I said that.

@@jamessharpe1717 There intuition is not to design early replaceable products, rather products that all classes will purchase. Like what they did with the simple sliced bread toaster. A cheap piece of shit for the workers below living wage and an over elaborate 10 times expensive for the wealthy non working class. They are simply following Reaganomics elimination of a middle class. There is no longer a market for a decent middle product. The service repairmen are disappearing because there is no longer a middle class that can afford their services. The wealthy class is simply too small to keep them in business. You might argue then, the Reganites fucked themselves.

Deep thoughts.

If you can, use a constant-current driver for your LED strips rather than constant-voltage.

My washer/dryer came with the house (probably vintage late 1970s), I bought in 1991 - the one repair I've had to do so far was the drain pump on the washer seized (bearings)... Besides the hassle of having to drain the basket first it was literally a $40 replacement pump, pull back a bit and lean the washer back against the wall to get underneath, and maybe 30 minutes to get the old one out and new one in.

@@captainz9 I also have an old Bosch washer that I got with the house. It lasted for 6 years, but it stopped centrifuging recently so we got a new one. I still kept the Bosch one as I know I can fix it if I just find the time to, so I can have it wash again once the new one dies.

My house came with a fridge from circa 2000. It's needed some work once or twice but the repairman says we should keep it forever because it was the last quality model made by that manufacturer. He says even if we want to replace it we should put it in the garage or something. I'll keep it forever if I can.

That was my thoughts too! How are you going to force people to go electric and switch this and that to go green, but planned obsolescence isn't on their radar at all. The same people yelling at their neighbors to go green are also the biggest spenders on junk

Planned obsolescence, particularly in automobiles, is why I just cannot take the environmentalism agenda seriously. An automobile is designed to last 7 years but I'm not allowed to have a plastic bag to carry home my purchased consumer items which are, themselves, wrapped up in plastic for the convenience of the manufacturers. So, "save the planet" as long as corporations can make their profits first.

Depends on the product, they can cost a lot less even replacements included, takes a lot of $5 jerseys to make up to the $200 quality one, same with shoes

​@@38dragoon38Yep and electric cars have shorter life spans due to batteries failing and costing more than even a not very old electric car to replace.

No more plastic straws in paper Just paper straws wrapped in plastic, congratulations

That’s amazing

That's amazing. I was SO afraid it would turn bad and I'd have to change one of the things I want to buy but you sold me more on it!!

Same! And what's cool is steam directly links you to repair tutorials by ifixit which is just a very different mentality than other consoles have. I assume it's because steam is for PC gamers and the steamdeck developed from that culture. For me it was one of the thumbsticks getting out of alignment.

As far as corpos go, I do like how Valve often has a much more consumer friendly approach to both their digital services and hardware.

Solder on, soldier

My mother's had a Nokia mobile phone for over the past 25 years. It's been dropped on the pavement multiple times and still working. The one time it needed a minor fix-up the staff in the mobile phone shop gathered around like it was some mythical artefact Xd

The thing is, it *does* inspire innovation. Innovations in making money. From a profit perspective, planned obsolescence was an absolutely genius innovation that the market massively rewarded, just as capitalism intends. The drawback? The buyers and the planet. But that doesn't matter in this system.

Hook line and sinker. I don't think anyone buying a high end Phlips LED Bulb today is seriously planning on using that bulb until 2037... Which is what they claim would be it's expected lifespan. They draw less watts, yet, my electric bill is about the same to when I used standard bulbs.

@MartinAndrews When it was in the news that incandescent lightbulbs were likely to be discontinued from being manufactured, I went and bought $75 worth of lightbulbs! 💡💡💡💡💡

I was on my condo board when it was proposed to switch to LED's because of the cost savings claims. Some of them have burned out and need replacing. Overall, I'm very sceptical about cost savings.

Have you tried washing your clothes in laundry nets? I have to buy relatively crappy jeans because they are the only ones I know I can stand wearing that also fit my body type. So crapppy in fact that I had two of them break within two months before but since I have started washing them in nets they last a lot longer and I feel like my other clothes do too.

refrigerators are a bit of a bad example because the newer ones are genuinely a lot more energy efficient

​@@TheRyulordyes, more energy efficient, but imagine if they were energy efficient AND lasted a long time?!

​@@TheRyulordif it was energy from clran sources woukd it mattet?

@@bluester7177 Nope. Though I'm not sure what the point of the hypothetical is when we're so far from that point.

@@kiwikemist Yeah, that would be best. I just meant to contrast the comment against others where going out and buying the old version of something actually makes more sense than buying the new version. Another commenter mentioned getting an old sewing machine that worked just as well and was more durable than modern sewing machines for example.

One of the things they got right

​@@UsefullPigtheir food is a hell of a lot healthier too.

The USSR also had a mostly circular economy

No more warranty😢 with plates

Right. We still have a working vacuum cleaner from that time. Nothing to compare with the modern shit electronics.

I might steal the "drinking protein shakes without working out" metaphor to describe greenwashing in general honestly thank you

This is why I simply won’t buy a ‘new’ car. 2003 Honda civic for the win! That car is so easy to service yourself, parts are cheap as dirt, they’re reliable as all get out, don’t have parts that are electronically serialised to the engine (as far as I’m aware), and if it breaks down past repair they’re fairly cheap to replace. I love my car, even if people think it’s a piece of 💩 on the outside. I love how repairable it is when things break on it, and how cheap it is.

What place diagnostic's consoles cost over $100K? I might not knoew all of them (like tyre and like tyre- and climate-control diagnostics and etc.).. Anyway, in Eastern Europe simplest few-brand diagnostics tablet goes for few hundred € or top shock-resistant universal one can be under €2000. Don't know what's needed for US cars.

I remember back in 08 or 09 a friend's Honda wouldn't start because it needed a software update.

@@albertobarbossa2590 I feel that now that we’re in the age of teslas that’s gonna get a LOT more common. Those cars are essentially just iPads or computers that drive with all the ‘smart’ shit they’ve got crammed in them. Plus cars now have so many more serialised parts, especially electric vehicles like teslas. You can’t even change your car battery on some gas powered cars yourself because you need to get it serialised to the computers in it. It’s frickin ridiculous, almost like apple overtook the car companies 🙄

The thing is, if it's a gas car, it works on the exact same principles as a model T. You can repair them. You just have to learn some new systems.

People don't even understand why you would now, and with shoes costing less than the labor to repair them it makes sense . But don't make it right, buy quality you can re sole

Don’t get me started on shoe repair. I could honestly cry over having to superglue trainers and boots that I have had for just over 6 months when I used to have footwear that lasted for 3 or 4 years (if not more) todays footwear must be designed for people who drive not people who actually walk! 😠

I really like how this is worded, especially the last paragraph :)

"In this specific case" HA, no - in basically all cases. Apple took the headphone jack and sold you air pods, now I willingly use TWS earbuds on my phone with a headphone jack because Apple ignited the entire TWS market while being incapable of killing the aux jack. That means I got a competitive, effective product for my use case and lost nothing. Valve was in an antagonistic relationship with microsoft so invested heavily into linux gaming as an open alternative that couldn't undermine their market and would reduce their dependency on microsoft. AMD's continued push to make FSR usable on all platforms builds consumer trust and loyalty which keeps a competitive customer base even when nvidia typically has strictly better hardware. Microsoft's steep reqs for W11-12 are alienating users and pushing them to more open platforms. (Again, Valve & Linux) Apple's M-series chips spurred competition which created and is continuing to create better and better chips, including more interest in open standards like RISC-V. (Although admittedly that interest will likely not show consumer facing results for a decade or more) Any given anti-consumer push alienates consumers and creates a prime striking point for competitors. (Unless that seemingly anti consumer push actually creates a better product just in a way thats often hard to define, like light quality instead of just light longevity) At least, when consumers have some god damn agency and dont just whinge about "muh capitalism". If I hear "everyone copies Apple" one more time I am going to fucking lose it; my fucking phone is not remotely like an iPhone, Framework literally built a business off of literally nothing except "we're repairable" and its just LD-50 levels of pure undiluted copium. Take some fucking agency in your purchases for christ's sake. I'm tired of being told I don't own my devices because you can't be bothered to actually purchase yours and instead would rather blindly click the first buy button you see and then complain you didn't get what you want.

All your examples are technology from the internet age which is studied by tech enthusiasts. This doesn't apply to cars and sewing machines, otherwise known as 'normie technology'. Gamers are tough customers, so they can force companies to change. Everyone else? Much less capable.@@felixjohnson3874

To quote Justin from WTYPP, "The kind of corruption that gets things done." (Context was actual government corruption, but this is similar enough)

@@موسى_7 neat so the issue is most consumers arent "tough" and dont apply market pressure to look after their own interests and buy the optimal product... sorta seems like that's the real issue. Ever heard the phrase "can't soften the world, can only harden the person"? Because ghat damn the fact that you specifically used the word "tough" makes that so easy to apply it ought to be illegal!

Economists deserve all the shade you can throw at em

Reading an economist's paper on my field of expertise is probably the only thing that came close to convincing me that this statement is not true. Some of them seem to look at reality as a nuisance that has to be bent into a screen on which ideology can be projected. But I think that can happen in any discipline - they are not real, after all.

thats what make it profitable cute happy lamb on lamb steak packaging everyone is happy! even saturated fat arteries remover surgeon and butchers !

At least as an individual who knows about it, you can research products that last longer.

Not only that but many actually think it's tinfoil hattery. I get looked at like I'm a bit crazy for even bringing the phrase/term up in conversation with some people in my life.

Because most people don't want to live in stasis and want to replace their sh*t because they got bored with them. Buy a Lada and drive it the next 30 years like the soviet did if it bothers you so much.

The upcoming business model does away with the idea altogether. They will have us endlessly subscribing for the use of everything in our homes instead of periodically buying (and owning) a new one.

kill capitalism

will have to come to realizeing "the love of money is root of all evil" = TRUE (christany) but also "stupidity is the root of all evil" also = TRUE (yet is from the satanic)

I think increasing the statuatory warranty for products would be the solution. I always wonder why dont we increase the warranty for things like washing mashines. They used to last for decades, now the last for some years. Because in the EU the warranty for a washing mashine is 2 years. This should be increased to 15, 20 or 30 years.

@@renezirkelthe problem with this is the exact problem with the solar energy industry currently: very long warranties are offered, but the companies shut down about 5-7 years in, and reopen as a new business, voiding any warranty from the original company

@@huberthopscotch1285 Yes this could be a problem, but not for all industries. I dont think already big corps want to go out of business because of warranty issues. The warranty should be increased step by step, so the industries can adjust. In the long run only companies with good warranty should survive (i hope).

I once heard a lot of features windows users take for granted originated as user-benefiting side effects of bugs

My brother also notices it declining because of how electronics started using increasingly smaller components, impossible to service/replace by ordinary electronics shops most of the time. He now has an SMD soldering and desoldering station and is currently trying to revive a reasonably old videocamera by replacing transistors, resistors and capacitors on it with these new tools. If he would succeed, he would have spent less than 10 euro's in actual parts, it was just the soldering station/tools that are the costly part, and will serve him in future repairs.

​@@Dutch3DMasterintegrated circuits, ie "chips" failing is also hard as re soldering them is a prick and hardly with it unless its expensive

@@Dutch3DMasterI have an old van that needs soldering on one of its computer boards. It’s a 1996 and they don’t make those chips anymore. I’m hoping to fix it for cheap like your brother is doing lol.

Reminds me of when i had a tenant i lived alongside, he also worked on fixing electronics and even helped me resolve problems. I took to him a phone my mom broke in a fit of rage, turns out to buy just a replacement screen cost just as much as the phone itself

I've become an avid vintage audio enthusiast and physical media collector. The quality of products from the 80's and earlier is much better than what is out there now. Sound quality is subjective but I purchased my first amplifier and tuner last Spring. I try to avoid buying anything new because of the low quality. There were other pieces that I wanted to buy but it wouldn't be realistic. The problem is that it's sometimes difficult to find replacement parts and the technicians able to do repairs will be retiring without a new generation to replace them.

Humans are inherently toxic and quite evil

Especially in intake, let alone when of animals?

putting any control on corporations is considered "communism" by some people here , idk how but looks like alot of corporate propaganda is just implanted into the American psyche to the point that people will make excuses

This is the root of the problem for sure

It's okay, you can say the C-Word.

For my birthday a few years ago (going on 5) I asked for a vitamix. The darn thing was expensive but stipp going strong, as I had it with having to replace the cheaper ones every six months. Le sigh

I have a hard time buying things i can't find a use for minus stuff like food and water

I dream of some day to own a antique or super well-made heavy duty bookcase. 🥰 I have a 1970s wine storage unit that I use as a drawer to store my daily clothes and my kimono collection. Still looks new and the drawers still open and close so smooth. Heavy AF! need four men to move that thing around and that is after gutting it... removing the drawers and doors from it. They don't make it like they use to. Meanwhile, my bed with drawers, not even 2 years and the drawers are weird. They are not opening and closing smoothly. Definitely not well made. I would love to have a set of furniture from the 1950s-70s for the whole house. The whole planned obsolesce thing is annoying and so wasteful. The amount of water and gasoline needed, plus human labor and materials used to make the stuff is unnerving and depressing.

Yep, have a 130 year old solid oak claw foot dining table that I inherited from my mom and has been beaten up from myself, pets, and my now toddler... nothing a little TLC won't fix ♥️

Even cheap stuff back then lasted a long time. The cabinet that has been passed down for generations since the 1860s finally broke, and even then it should be easy to repair.

I think a contributing factor for cheap furniture is the cost->instability of housing increasing. Cheap furniture is lighter and much easier to leave behind and/or replace if it gets damaged when moving.

@keeahrahr3311 you know, I think you might be on to something there. Why bother investing the extra cost to get good, lasting furniture when there's no guarantee you'll even be able to fit it in the next place you've got? (Assuming, ofc, that you HAVE that money, which a lot of people don't.)

Linux time

I'm curious, does he have a ssd or hdd? I have a 2008 computer with 4 gigs of ram and a 8600 gt that is put to shame by a 620 from a i3 processor and I had to learn to let the computer process because I was a 20 tabs opening at the same time freq. At some point my cousin gave me an ssd as a present for my birthday, and now I can multi task and I don't have to wait at all.

windows os laptop, a few years ago i had to go into my software settings and turn off the two or three systems that force it to update because their update deletes my audio drivers then throws their incompatible version for my hardware on. i dont recall exactly what but it was the update timer, the check to see if that system is functioning, and the systems authority to "fix" things that the user changes. not to promote staying on windows but thats how to stop it from updating until you replace it with something not designed to break.

why are linux users fat ugly and nerdy? how do i get linux without looking like that

I've had to do a fresh install a few times over the years. It's always annoying. More recently windows forced a graphics driver update... that broke the graphics driver and something about a mismatch was stated. This is something that still makes me mad.

Lol the "Pig Crap" silo

The sad thing is that it's actually pretty true to life. Pig farms have huge lagoons of pig waste and they spray it on fields which gets into the air and affects nearby residents. It can also get into the ground water

@@kpopgrrl Spraying it on fields is recycling and should be encouraged.

@@thewhitefalcon8539 "The contents in the spray and waste drift have been shown to cause mucosal irritation, respiratory ailment, increased stress, decreased quality of life, and higher blood pressure."

@@kpopgrrl okay? I'm sure snorting human waste isn't good for you either. Let's dump it in the lake like Homer, instead of putting it back into the environment where it should be - that's your solution?

Smart thrifty people of all ages do the same. When you understand value for money, and that the newer things are often of inferior quality, why replace something tnat is still serviceable and useful? Chances are it isn't going to be as good as what you're aiming to replace. I believe it all depends upon how one is raised... Many of us regardless of income were taught to make do, make repairs, and do without until a suitable or equivalent replacement was available, or within reach.

Cheap clothing doesn't last long enough to become old.

@@JellyFlavoredGerman You can extend the life of your clothes by hanging up to dry instead of running through the dryer.

Similar thing happened in the US, "cash for clunkers". Basically just messed up the used car market for a while.

And yet various groups (not always pro business ones either!) promote similar programmes as something they want to happen again soon. Sigh.

​@@jcsscalemodels A while? Try forever.

Cash for clunkers essentially destroyed the used parts markets in many areas

we have something similiar for fridgers here, but the idea was to remove old fridges and air conditioner with cfc, on the other hand when television became digital they gave digital receptors for free so people wouldn't have to replace their televisions in mass, it would probably cause a crisis to the trash collecting

I have walmart furniture but I move alot and it's not worth taking furniture with when I can buy new Walmart ones that I can get rid of easily

I dread the day when I may have to buy a new printer. Love my old laser printer from 2004 that doesn't connect to the internet and doesn't refuse to function without the right brand of cartridges.

Pretty much how I feel about iPhones. I have A 6S, and I absolutely need the headphone jack.

Every update to Windows creates a worse and worse user experience. I hate it. Especially because a few years ago refusing to update bricked my device, because they decided to make the updated wifi adapter drivers incompatible with the version I was using. So there's literally no choice. Update to an inferior product or lose access to the device I paid good money for.

@@dontmisunderstand6041 I'm seriously considering Linux as an option once they force the update to Windows 11.

7th grade was 13 years ago… softest boots ever

Had they not done so we might never have had the pleasure of South Park & Rick and Morty...

Maybe you have a point. But wouldnt television, cameras, social media, and internet be enough to preserve our legacy?

Yes. People are the problem. The only comfort is that once everything is destroyed, humans will be gone but the planet will regenerate without us

It's kind of crazy how the current model of the economy basically boils down to infinitely buying products that break quickly so we can keep infinitely working to infinitely produce them without ever improving our actual lives. And mainstream economists see no problem with this model simply because it makes red line go up.

@@Blaze6108 thats why i barely do anything and dont buy anything, im not working to death to feed this immoral satanic system, ive got better things to do with my time then enrich evil people that want us all gone

@@ginaherrera3166 people worship materialism and cant justify why anything is right or wrong, its a worldview problem and always will be

@@ginaherrera3166 greed is incentivized through the system. overconsumption as well - not only does profit need to increase, but the rate of profit. look at entertainment companies -- they increase streaming fees because they have nothing left to sell to increase profits., they have consumer capture. you might have a good boss or landlord. but that's only for now. i would say, it's not money that's inherently problematic, but capital. capital is power. it's what is behind the fundamentally un democratic nature of the economy that needs to change.

I remember my neighbor having a counter top mounted can opener and man that thing was a amazing much better than the newer commercial ones I've used.

This one hit where it hurts 😅 my can opener is almost practically useless but I won't replace it cause I've got sauce in my fridge older than this hunk of junk 🥲

Used to, it wasn't about affordable. You would make a list of things you want, and over time, you would slowly fill it out. Saving for a good can opener was done the way most people do vacations.

It's all about materials

I feel the same way. When I’ve upgraded parts in my computer it feels much more “mine” as I’ve physically and psychically invested in it. I’ve never been an aesthetic ricer but even so, having my own little terminal aliases and keymaps really make my computer feel familiar and particular. I can hardly use a computer without remapping caps lock and escape 😩

It actually made those old phones last longer though. Evil, but not evil enough for customers to notice.

@@erkinalp They underclocked older iPhones in order to extend battery life and health, but that's still bad nonethelss. It should be optional setting and transparent at the very least. I prefer somewhat owning my products and not being locked into one ecosystem and what I can or can't do with my own device. Once Apple deems your older phone obsolete, you can't do much about it, and you can't deny updates because eventually apps stop working on older iOS versions. Most Android apps still support Android 5 and forward, there are mirrors where you can download older app versions if newer doesn't work, and you can install custom ROMs or GSIs to further extend life of your Android phone. It's not as hard as people think it is.

This, like the claim in the video, is a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of reasonably basic technology. Apple underclocked processors on phones whose batteries could no longer consistently supply the necessary voltage to run them at their maximum highest clock speeds. Google did *not* do this and it resulted in the Nexus 6P (for example) constantly rebooting at like 40% battery after you'd had it for about a year.

@@r_bear That's not how it works.

I remember back in 2008 it was impossible to criticise Apple about anything before being attacked by legions of Apple zealots. By 2012 attitudes had started to shift and people realised that perhaps the multi billion dollar company Apple wasn't as perfect as they wanted to believe.

glass bottle of ink and refillable ink container! LAMY makes a ridiculously high writing quality fountain pen, the safari. Not the prettiest and it is mostly plastic (I think everything except the clip and the nib are plastic 😔) but how it writes is *exemplary* puts pens costing ten times as much to shame! (it is also lefty-friendly 🤗) If only i could find a way to refill the ink bottle without buying a new one, it would be completely zero trash writing ✌

@@GeorgeTsirosI prefer my twsbis. They’re also prettier.

It’s not the longevity and we all know it. Fountain pens are fun and for many of us it’s just more comfortable. A lot of the fountain pen growth recently was backed by hyper consumerism and the desire for the new pretty or for large numbers of inks.

I like the idea that nothing needs replacement, nothing needs to be thrown away. I will check out the twsbis.

@@GeorgeTsirosBest bang for buck for trying it is probably a Platinum Preppy. Extremely consistent, easy to sue, cheap, available in most pen stores. And definitely see if you have a fountain pen store in your city, you can try them out and see all the inks and whatnot.