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PM Lee vs Low Thia Khiang cross swords in Parliament - 28May2014

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SINGAPORE: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and Workers' Party chief Low Thia Khiang crossed swords in Parliament after PM Lee's speech on Wednesday (May 28), in a vigorous 10-minute exchange that saw the two debate the performance and role of the Opposition so far.
Opposition leader Low said he had focused his earlier speech on constructive politics because he felt it to be an important issue. "From what the Prime Minister has said, it seems to me that it's more constructive for the PAP, rather than constructive politics in terms of the society moving forward," he said. His stand was that "we should be able to move forward together despite the differences".
The discussion then moved on to Mr Lee's assertion that the Workers' Party has flip-flopped on issues. Mr Low said he has clarified the party's stand, adding: "I also noted that when the PAP has to make a policy U-turn, they call it policy shift. I don't know whether if that is a shift or a flip flop."
To this, Mr Lee responded: "I think the record will speak for itself where we make a shift, we acknowledge a shift. When the Workers' Party changes position, they pretend they haven't. That is the difference." He also stated that as the Opposition leader, Mr Low had a responsibility to state his party's stand on the big issue: "Is the government doing right? Is it doing wrong? Do you agree with the government? Do you have a better view? Or do you abstain? Or do you abstain from abstaining?"
Mr Low then gave this assessment of the Government's performance: It has solved some problems and still needs to improve on other areas. The other Members of Parliament from the Workers' Party would be giving their assessments of specific fields in due time, he said, and would offer alternatives and suggestions to improve policies.
This was characterised as a "reasonable explanation" by Mr Lee, who quipped: "I hope he takes an equally reasonable approach when it comes to election rallies, because The Workers' Party approach has been to be extremely reasonable, indeed low-profile, in Parliament, but come election time to turn into tigers and heroes."
Mr Low thanked the Prime Minister for "praising the Workers' Party's ability to fight in the elections".
"We have no intention to hide ourselves in parliament. We seek the mandate from people to come to Parliament to (serve as a )check against the Government. We have done it honestly and sincerely. We have not turned this place into a theatre. That shows we are responsible and we will behave continuously, as a rational and responsible party.
"We have not come here with some wild policies or wild suggestions," he said. "We debated the policies, we came up with some suggestions, but these are not bankrupting the government coffers or suggesting to you to use the reserves."
He also had this comeback to the Prime Minister's "tigers and heroes" remark: "You are the Government and you have been the governing party for 50 years and you got more people, talented people than the Workers' Party. How can you say that we are tigers and we are something else in Parliament? I am sure the PAP can equally be tiger or lions."
Mr Lee then stepped up his criticism of the Opposition's performance: "In a serious parliament, the government presents its policies, the opposition presents the alternatives," he said. The Workers' Party may not have alternatives on every issue, but it does have a responsibility to explain to Singaporeans what they stand for.
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@Junweilow
@Junweilow 9 жыл бұрын
The real problem is that why Singaporeans are still voting for WP although they are incompetent and still thinks WP are right when they are in the wrong.
@exssaturn
@exssaturn 9 жыл бұрын
***** Let's compare Singapore and Malaysia, I think the PAP have done a great job to build up the 1st world country compare to ours.. 惜福惜福, appreciate what you have compares to others.
@WisteriaBerlitz
@WisteriaBerlitz 9 жыл бұрын
There are people who would vote the opposition for the sake of voting the opposition, without knowing any policies whatsoever.
@conan2209
@conan2209 9 жыл бұрын
***** (1) you are speaking freely on the internet, arent you? what freedom do you not have? (2) where is your statistic on the inequality? Are you now sleeping on the streets, eating left over when others are not? (3) Are you working hard to get more or are you one of those that does nothing but whine(PS: i despise these people) (4) did you look into the reason for the immigration policy? If you think Singaporeans make up only 55%, what have you done to increase that %? Do not tell me you have reasons for not contributing, cos you are then the reason for the immigration policy. If you choose not to do anything but yet oppose immigration, what will happen to Singapore 50 years later? If you tell me you don't care, then do not complain, cos you do not see beyond your selfish self nor understand the need to plan ahead for the country (5) Do not speak of overcrowding of public transport until you been to other places during peak period. What we experienced now is nothing...Tried those in Japan? (6) who told you PR do not need to serve NS? (7) TV showed what LTK said, do you think any part of LTK speech is not from his own mouth? Do you think LTK will not protect his own right if he thinks the TV portrayed him in a negative light? (8) I cannot comment on politics nor what is right or wrong, you mentioned Malaysia as an example, do you think they have better government than ours? When was the last time you spoke to a Malaysian? Do you have the statistic of the number of Malaysians working in Singapore now, do you know the number of Malaysians who are PR now, do you know the number of Singaporeans who were Malaysian? Do you know why they are here instead on being in Malaysia, the country that you quoted? (9) you believe the current government is complacent, that i do not know. What i know is, why do i want to waste my vote on a party or a person who cannot show me how he will contribute to the growth of the country, share a vision of what he wants for the country, provide alternative to the current policies 10) you are foolish to waste your vote
@Laroxify
@Laroxify 9 жыл бұрын
***** One of the original reason for restricted freedom of speech here in Singapore is because we have a multi-racial society. The time will come whereby there will bound to have people out there who would be sowing discord among races should it be unrestricted. As everyone knows race is a very sensitive issue, the government wouldn't want to take the risk of troubles occurring from such matters such as riots which could be seen in the past whereby the Chinese and Malays clashed. You could say that the people needs their freedom of speech to voice their dissatisfaction with the government's way of doing things but many of such people doesn't have valid arguments to begin with. Look at how WP supporters behave, the kind of critism they give. It's nowhere near being constructive and objective. And also, as you can see from the clip, they broadcasted the entire clip of the debate instead of cutting out segments. So how controlled is that? What goes on in the parliament is open to public anyway, you can easily sit in as a audience because they have nothing to hide. So why would they bother censoring this?? Secondly the issue with foreign influx, its because our locals refuse to have more babies. We will end up with an ageing population if this goes on, and of course when this happens, people would blame the government for it also as usual. If you listen during your classes, you would know this would result in a butterfly effect and eventually our economy suffers which. I agree the reason is because standard of living is high in Singapore and people can't afford having more children, but the government understands that. WHICH is why they have to resort to having more foreigners. Massive income gaps are problems to every first world countries, but its not like the government has totally forgotten about them and doesn't provide any aid at all . To name a few healthcare(polyclinics), food (food coupons), transport (low-income ezlink cards) etc. Having a larger opposition definitely will ensure our ruling party steps up their game but they have to first gain the trust and respect of the people first. Whats the point of electing incompetent MPs just for the sake of having oppositions within. Who suffers more? The people? Or the government? To quote LKY, "what you stand for cannot be what the PAP is doing and a little bit better". That's basically what I always see WP doing. Have they accomplished their promises to their respective regions after the elections? Whether this man was the right choice, it's up for you to decide.
@Laroxify
@Laroxify 9 жыл бұрын
conan2209 well said.
@funoroko
@funoroko 9 жыл бұрын
I really would like to see if all of you guys criticizing his accent can give a better debate in parliament than he did. His fluency might not be the best, but he made his points clear.
@nicolet204
@nicolet204 9 жыл бұрын
Would like to see them debate in Chinese. It would be interesting when the tables are turned lol
@choo77
@choo77 8 жыл бұрын
+Yugui zero pronounced as ziro dud
@Stargoeswither
@Stargoeswither 7 жыл бұрын
these IBs only knows how to talk cock about WP and asskissing pap,hopeless idiots
@yujieleong8821
@yujieleong8821 9 ай бұрын
@@nicolet204 They actually did many years back prior to 2014, when they debated over usage & learning of chinese language in schools
@yujieleong8821
@yujieleong8821 9 ай бұрын
@@choo77 & your point is?
@orgminyak
@orgminyak 9 жыл бұрын
It's an eloquent explanation to why WP has been inarticulate. So funny haha
@diseasesofcivilization31
@diseasesofcivilization31 8 жыл бұрын
As a native English speaker I find Low Thia Khiang's accent charming and pleasant to listen to. Yeah he's far from perfect, but I don't have to struggle to understand him.
@sorcereh1
@sorcereh1 8 жыл бұрын
"Don't have to struggle to understand him" LMAO
@mohdshafuansaffiei8171
@mohdshafuansaffiei8171 9 жыл бұрын
So calm...way different from the Malaysian Parliament.
@FerdinandLiem
@FerdinandLiem 9 жыл бұрын
And much much more different from the British House of Commons.
@tiffanyyoung9377
@tiffanyyoung9377 5 жыл бұрын
Ferdinand Liem - right... Malaysian parliament is follow like British parliament culture. Both countries have extreme culture of politics compared with Singapore parliament.
@riexrickgaming
@riexrickgaming 5 жыл бұрын
and also indonesia, this debate is very well done , its like when you lose dota, you say GG wellplayed
@angelamagnus6615
@angelamagnus6615 3 жыл бұрын
Like China and North Korea the parliament is totally controlled by one party.
@tehanalyzer217
@tehanalyzer217 3 жыл бұрын
Malaysia more like uncivilized MPs shouting match.....
@nhy123123
@nhy123123 9 жыл бұрын
Although I do have to admit, they should show some respect for Low at least. He's trying hard to speak well.
@tangsiewhoon9345
@tangsiewhoon9345 9 жыл бұрын
nhy123123 but i never see any of the PAP members insulted the Low regarding his English. what makes you think so, disrespect hmm?
@choo77
@choo77 8 жыл бұрын
+TANG SIEW HOON zero pronounced as ziro dud
@choo77
@choo77 8 жыл бұрын
+nhy123123 zero pronounced as ziro dud
@Ospreysaurus
@Ospreysaurus 7 жыл бұрын
Or...ZORO !!1LOL
@TheIlikechickenrice
@TheIlikechickenrice 8 жыл бұрын
At first I cringed and laughed as Mr Low messed up on his enunciation, but then after listening properly I realise he actually brought good points across.
@fistofhero
@fistofhero 4 жыл бұрын
I salute and respect Mr Low! Don't forget he is a Chinese educated teacher. But his strong talent and ability give him enough confidence and power to speak fluent English to debate with PM Lee in Parliament!
@amuntar
@amuntar 10 жыл бұрын
What i feel from this debate is that the prime minister is the one who does not want constructive politics...
@fakecabal
@fakecabal 4 жыл бұрын
amuntar I can be opposition too. I can just ask questions... Who can’t. To be a good opposition you need to do your homework, check, think, analyse and come to debate with good proposals.
@jasonbourne6531
@jasonbourne6531 3 жыл бұрын
No.. low is the one, the whole video i don't see low give solution at all, how can low be constructive??
@yokelengleong4978
@yokelengleong4978 9 жыл бұрын
The Workers Party, the way they talk, never answer questions directly or honestly. Always cleverly speaking in a way so as to avoid answering a direct confronting question by the PAP. Being a 55+ yrs old me, should qualify me to see who is good and fake good in parliament. What have Workers Party done for Singapore so far? Nothing! only find something to fight in parliament or find fault. So far what have they achieve for Singapore? So don't be so arrogant! Trying to be nice to your own constituency is very easy job. Singaporean who has gone thru hardships knows who is a good and trustworthy government. Not a party who talk talk and find mistakes here and there, even if there is, that is an honest mistake. And I believe PAP will apologise and admit it in Parliament, as it has done it before.
@vnc81
@vnc81 10 жыл бұрын
I think LHL is correct on how opposition should present themselves on policies. The govt proposes something, the opposition should make a strong stand if they think the direction is wrong and present an alternative and not just critizing. This is also the main reason why we vote them in the first place, isn't it.
@ranasinghereubenelvisseyad5096
@ranasinghereubenelvisseyad5096 7 жыл бұрын
Mr Low, you really got the guts to speak and say what is right and wrong...well done
@jsenthilsg
@jsenthilsg 10 жыл бұрын
PAP is doing the right things. not easy to run the government. it is easy to say that you are wrong. Stable politics is very important. look at other countries...everyday protest, fight. companies will not show interest to invest further.
@micmasta
@micmasta 10 жыл бұрын
PAP will always have my support! I will vote for them every election too. I LOVE PAP
@LWCLAPBAM
@LWCLAPBAM 10 жыл бұрын
YAS ME TOO
@Ospreysaurus
@Ospreysaurus 9 жыл бұрын
micmasta ME TOO !! I LOVE LKY AND PAP !
@cowwiegames2.059
@cowwiegames2.059 9 жыл бұрын
PAP shall win! Viva La PAP!
@pyschannel3831
@pyschannel3831 6 жыл бұрын
yall shuld really wake up lol
@zengzhibin23
@zengzhibin23 9 жыл бұрын
If this manifest the true standard of opposition party, I see no reason, except provoked irrationality among citizens, for PAP to lose in local election.
@oouu889
@oouu889 9 жыл бұрын
Low merely voiced out the thoughts of some Singaporean...to claim that he 'provoked irrationality among citizens' shows how ignorant you are towards the current state of Singapore.
@youtuberschannel12
@youtuberschannel12 10 жыл бұрын
Very entertaining to watch!!!!!
@littleandrew2
@littleandrew2 9 жыл бұрын
I like how the news hosts at the end are all smiling smugly and suppressing smiles because they know that pm lee completely trashed low tk and low just humiliated himself
@keslerlee5153
@keslerlee5153 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh, both parties just wants the better for all Singaporeans, I support them both !!
@micmasta
@micmasta 9 жыл бұрын
Worker's party talk a lot but no actions and no standards! How can they lead since they have not proven themselves? Now they create a mess in their GRC.
@iceboxy
@iceboxy 9 жыл бұрын
+micmasta The voters of Hougang and Aljunied think otherwise and are likely to make LTK the longest serving opposition in the history of Singapore after this election.
@iceboxy
@iceboxy 9 жыл бұрын
+micmasta 47% of voters in districts that the Workers Party contested in believe in them not to replace the government but to debate against issues in parliament that affect other Singaporeans greatly like GST and foreign population growth.
@ignisel8564
@ignisel8564 9 жыл бұрын
+micmasta Don't worry. Who they vote, they themselves will see if WP is good or not again. And if WP does not take actions, they will lose the residents' support.
@misoshiru6969
@misoshiru6969 4 жыл бұрын
Jo Teo looked completely mesmerized by LHL
@SimonK3113
@SimonK3113 2 жыл бұрын
Idol worship....🤔
@LWCLAPBAM
@LWCLAPBAM 10 жыл бұрын
For people who think that WP is better than PAP please take a look around you. All this is not possible without LKY so be thankful. How can we be a developed country without all these policies? Be thankful and what do you even know about governing a country? Its not easy so be grateful that you are living in a developed country now. What makes you think that WP will be a better government? Were they the ones who MADE SINGAPORE THE WAY IT IS TODAY? Hmmm NO
@Freedomspy26
@Freedomspy26 10 жыл бұрын
LKY is what made singapore what it is today. not the current people in parliament today. Singaporeans are no longer "uneducated" unlike last time. as people understands and receive "education" and sees that some policies are not meant for the population's gain, they would want change. It would be wrong to say PAP is still the same as it was 50 years ago. Thankful? right. be thankful. sure . we should always be thankful and not question them. be thankful and not be able to voice out opinions and facts without being sued. sure. LOL
@kamhertzmartialacademy9832
@kamhertzmartialacademy9832 10 жыл бұрын
There is nothing to thank a govt if a country is managed well because the govt is paid very well to do so. They fought very hard to rule the country, and they chose to be there. But they should be kicked out if they mess up a country. A country can be made prosperous by giving away its resources to groom a foreign generation but eventually, you have a first world country at the expense of the people. A country is about the people, not how big it look on the world map. A govt has its mission of the people, by the people , and for the people. Period.
@Averagebum21
@Averagebum21 10 жыл бұрын
muachi do Very well said.
@LWCLAPBAM
@LWCLAPBAM 10 жыл бұрын
muachi do how did they mess things up? They are human too. People make mistakes. Wait are you trying to tell me you are perfect and make no mistakes???
@LWCLAPBAM
@LWCLAPBAM 10 жыл бұрын
Averagebum Bum do you really think its easy to run a country? If you were put in their shoes will you be able to transform singapore to the way it is today? Ignorant
@JoLeng205000
@JoLeng205000 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr Lee Hsien Loong, In the future of having debates in the Parliament House, it is good to have the video of what the opposition leaders had said and promised and show to all Singaporeans to proved them wrong! Videos and recording will save you a thousand words of unnecessary argument! We will not chose a party leader that flip flop or not honored to their promises! The opposition party can fool some ignorant supporters but they cannot fool us because we are highly educated Singaporeans!
@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG
@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG 10 жыл бұрын
Being a good politician is more than just having the ability to speak eloquently & articulately Mr Lee and PAP supporters.
@mindychua1625
@mindychua1625 9 жыл бұрын
love you pm lee and pap team💖
@JasperJHwang
@JasperJHwang 9 жыл бұрын
It is really painful watching Low speak.
@NumeroTredici
@NumeroTredici 9 жыл бұрын
yeah... i almost cried.
@zoukied81
@zoukied81 9 жыл бұрын
Jasper H its so difficult to hear him speak. need to listen carefully. his body language were all over the place as well. but the other man talking you can see how stable and firm he is. steady and cool.
@trini133
@trini133 9 жыл бұрын
Choo yong meng If you had turned off the speaker, his movements and facial expressions look gangsterly !
@zoukied81
@zoukied81 9 жыл бұрын
Haha haha. ..
@Ryanelia
@Ryanelia 9 жыл бұрын
I seriously can't stand his voice, pronounciation and accent. 😭😭😭
@oxigenhalogen337
@oxigenhalogen337 10 жыл бұрын
I am afraid that, with this kind of opposition possibly winning in future, the Singapore days are literally numbered.
@tunyongyap1075
@tunyongyap1075 10 жыл бұрын
Another problem of PAP, regulates debates in parliament when they broadcast it on social media. They make sure it ends in their favour on TV, but behind the scenes, they do not show it, because they want to show that they "won" the debate by ending the clip off with PM Lee's strong rebuttal. This may not be true though at the end of debate...
@ikennethang
@ikennethang 9 жыл бұрын
like they said.. Singapore is becoming like North Korea. Silencing other views and exercising absolute power this way, brainwashing citizens to believe everything is fine.. its just plain disgusting edit: did i mention the news and straits times are controlled by the PAP to show favor them instead?
@MrZhiyuan
@MrZhiyuan 9 жыл бұрын
Kenneth Ang Correction:It is owned by the government.Not the party.Also,if the pap edited this debate,the workers party surely would have lashed out on them
@vefge
@vefge 9 жыл бұрын
Armstrong Dicksmasher I cannot entertain your view seriously with a username like that.
@conan2209
@conan2209 9 жыл бұрын
Pray tell what you see that we did not
@conan2209
@conan2209 9 жыл бұрын
vefge so very true
@maxlimgj
@maxlimgj 10 жыл бұрын
This needs to happen more often PAP VS WP!
@Yeoldfagget
@Yeoldfagget 10 жыл бұрын
PM lee should stop asking "where do we stand". the PAP is favored by the public mainly because PM lee speaks better english and is good with words. words but not actions. time to wake up singapore
@abbylady5
@abbylady5 9 жыл бұрын
Watever it is... This is still 1st world parliament... Go and see malaysia's parliament.. Like small kids fighting.. Dont.even respect the tuan pengerusi. Majulah singapura!!
@FREEMASONCOLLAPSE
@FREEMASONCOLLAPSE 9 жыл бұрын
+abbylady5 Perhaps you should keep an eye on British parliament not Malaysia if you wan to be (or keep) 1st class...
@TheSuperior100
@TheSuperior100 8 жыл бұрын
How to respect tuan pengerusi when he is a barua of umno?
@abanganeh7874
@abanganeh7874 10 жыл бұрын
There is flaw in both PAP and the WP. But it is up to WP, the opposition to come up with a firm and specific stands and better alternatives, there is no such thing as a perfect government But the WP choose to keep a low profile and giving problems but no solutions, and this is one of the reasons why the people are suffering.
@asdasdasdas2002
@asdasdasdas2002 9 жыл бұрын
I dont see what the opposition does affect Singapore's living in anyway. Your accusation of the opposition is irrelevant. While I'm no WP voter or supporters, but srsly some of you PAP fans have no idea what your talking about. Its as if you support PAP simply you think life is good as it is and there are no problem is our society, and hence the little views. Your just repeating after what the media mentioned numerous times with little relevance, little source, simply personal and biased out to go against the opposition. To wreck their reputation, to eliminate their popularity.' Blindly following the strait times. And and, not being sexist.. but I notice these people I mentioned are generally women. Ladies, ever wonder why the male to female population in Singapore is 4:6 currently even though Singapore have no war and the male to female population below 15 years old have always been 1:1 for the past 50 years? Are these not social problem symptoms to you? Oh wait, you properly are one of those white worshiper.
@Snydercliptomania
@Snydercliptomania 9 жыл бұрын
If you do not see how the opposition does affect Singapore's living in anyway (quoted), you should be able to see then how undeserving it is for a place in Parliament to be given to them. Straits Times is controlled. Hong Kah Riots are a big thing, yet not on the front page. This side of your argument is recognized. The social problem of having unequal numbers between genders is evident. If the figures that you quote are indeed correct, then this social problem is one that Singapore faces. One of many social problems, in fact, that Singapore faces. In every government, if you would be so kind to refute this, policies that are implemented focuses on the majority of people who are in need of that change. Most policies concerns a majority of people, which could possibly lead to a conflict of interest in minority groups, if not affecting no change in these minorities. Now back to this video, we see the WP claiming to be first world opposition, which clearly from their action is defined as offering opposition and nothing much else. No concrete solution was given to a problem they raise, and yet they claim to be responsible. LTK is not good with words, but observably he is also not getting anywhere with whatever words he is limited to use.
@Niiflux
@Niiflux 9 жыл бұрын
Asdasd Asdas this is the age of information and if your information channel is limited to just Strait times, then you are seriously uninformed. While i am not PAP voter or supporter, but some of you opposition fans have no idea what you are talking about. The social problems which you speak of, do explain with concrete examples and explanations. However, given the name of your newly created account, it truly explains why you only provide accusations and sweeping statements with such convenience. Stop getting brainwashed and start analyzing both side of the coin from all possible medias.
@tangsiewhoon9345
@tangsiewhoon9345 9 жыл бұрын
Asdasd Asdas ya, and i believe you are a guy
@tangsiewhoon9345
@tangsiewhoon9345 9 жыл бұрын
Maxmillian Scarborough i saw the news. hong kah protest is a very big issue. we must only report what is happening in local, it must be in the front page. and just ignore the rest of the country. no need to report
@yassinkhan2866
@yassinkhan2866 7 жыл бұрын
That was just a total waste of time to keep picking on the opposition to paint a picture that they bring no value to influence those that see this charade that having opposition serves no purpose when in fact the opposition has clearly stated that when they do have an alternative or a proposal of their own, they do not want to choke up the political process and waste everyone's time, for which the PAP should in fact be thankful for. Let us not forget that when there are times when the opposition find proposals that are unsuitable, require more research or when there are constructive suggestions that the opposition feel can bring more value, they have spoken up.
@saohmarong2240
@saohmarong2240 Жыл бұрын
Quite a good respond from PM Lee, very clear.
@BeOutstanding
@BeOutstanding 10 жыл бұрын
I find LHL extremely childish in this debate. LTK already said his stand was zero FW growth. Why LHL talk about sending home 70000 FW? He doesn't know what is zero growth?
@oxigenhalogen337
@oxigenhalogen337 10 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should watch carefully the full debate before posting.
@indiantigerfisting420
@indiantigerfisting420 5 жыл бұрын
LHL is indeed childish
@racingsgclub
@racingsgclub 10 жыл бұрын
As simple as it goes.. we need someone in the house to check the gahmen... WP IS THERE TO CHECK ON U... THATS IS WHERE THEY STAND TO FIGHT WHEREVER SOMETHING IS TOTALLY WRONG...
@andrewwsg
@andrewwsg 10 жыл бұрын
There's no use talking to the PM or the PAP. They are only out to defend their self-serving and failed policies. And throughout this debate, it is not hard to see that Mr Low was right, the PAP's definition of constructive politics is dictated in THEIR TERMS. Vote the PAP out if you want to see real changes and real progress in Singapore.
@Averagebum21
@Averagebum21 10 жыл бұрын
***** "A government policies failed when there is strife and protest." You must be daft not to know why there is so little protest.
@thereaver85
@thereaver85 10 жыл бұрын
***** actually.... u have a point, no matter whose in, we will eventually be screwed. But without change in governance, there's no chance for making it a better place. It could get worse, it could get better, nobody knows. Some says that without PAP, singapore will die, where's the evidence? Some says oppositions will lead singapore to a better future, no evidence either. But one thing is for sure, PAP have begun to lose supporters because of the way the handled things in this tiny island/country. Many issues have been brought up but put aside by avoidance or by leading the people a few times around a loop without any actual answer and the lack of transparency. Perhaps the reason why Andrew Wisely was so frustrated. I for one am quite unhappy over the CPF issues and why the PM is getting more money than obama on the surface(without including any corruption assuming there's any, or investments etc if there's any). But i respect the PAP simply because money speaks louder than action in the society now and they have the capability to utilize or abuse or exploit(whatever people want to call it) resources/people to get the dough whereby not every leader can bear to do so or heart to do so at the expense of the people. Survival of the fittest, and the fact that PAP is still the government shows so regardless of what means/methods they used, because at the end of the day, the winners are the good guys and the losers are the bad guys. This is how the society work now. *Compassion, lending a helping hand at your expense,charity... do so only when u have the money.
@AverageMw3FPS
@AverageMw3FPS 10 жыл бұрын
If WP is to take over Singapore's governance, I'm afraid of the inexperience that they will deal with that may drive politics down the drain. PAP may be partially right in defending themselves as they have no trust in WP's maneuvers and functionality, since they are mostly the experience ones, they doubt. Mostly because of the way WP acts and behaves in parliament. Hence the need for PAP to have precautionary and safety measures that policies are all written and billed out for the greater good, given by fair rights. They are like the daddies, we are the children. If they don't give us a good candy, we must understand the reason why.
@Ospreysaurus
@Ospreysaurus 9 жыл бұрын
Marcus Liew Inexperience is one factor when they have now shown dishonesty, no integrity and untrustworthiness. What a shameful lot.
@renderz8435
@renderz8435 6 жыл бұрын
There is little protest, not because no one wants to protest, but because they instilled fear in us that whoever protests gets thrown into jail/ sued to bankruptcy, dont think so highly of them. Its because of fear. In N.Korea there arer also few protests, but are the ppl happy?
@ydyeo13
@ydyeo13 10 жыл бұрын
Singapore really needs a stronger opposition party. After hearing ltk words, it seems to me that he is not sure of what he is saying. He seems confused... maybe its due to his poorer command of the language.
@97432561
@97432561 10 жыл бұрын
LHL losing it...
@elisa5982
@elisa5982 10 жыл бұрын
I believe Singapore truly have freedom of speech (ppl claim it to be a democratic nation), so I sincerely don't wish to get jailed or sued for saying this: the first sentence said by PM Lee was personal attack on Mr Low. Mr Low made his point clear, so I don't get why there are people poking fun at him for "being inarticulate". Is that a valid comment to make when this is a debate for pushing the nation forward?
@evolution8662
@evolution8662 4 жыл бұрын
What was the First sentence????
@hongcesoo4358
@hongcesoo4358 4 жыл бұрын
There is no need for any sugar coating in a first world parliament. Like what our PM has said, you have to call a spade, a spade.
@SimonK3113
@SimonK3113 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly agree, call a flip flop as it is not a shift...perhaps a U-turn
@ck9519
@ck9519 9 жыл бұрын
JIA YOU LOW THIA KIANG! everyone jiayou in parliament!!!
@Puvanification
@Puvanification 9 жыл бұрын
Low does not belong there.....there is no conviction nor direction. How can we we entrust the future of s'poreans on this uncle.
@iceboxy
@iceboxy 9 жыл бұрын
My understanding is Singaporeans did not vote for a government change; they voted for a proven guy (eg, he voted against GST increase) to continue staying in parliament (at the expense of 4 Ministers/Minister-to-be). In fact Singaporeans did not even vote for giving the non-ruling parties the power to block Constitution amendments (more than 1/3 seats in parliament).
@ChrisMiloteVEV0Bieber
@ChrisMiloteVEV0Bieber 9 жыл бұрын
It's not really Cross Swords. It seems Lee Hsien Loong is fighting with a Machete, while Low Thia Khiang is fighting with a Baseball-bat.
@Tommashelbyeee
@Tommashelbyeee 4 жыл бұрын
“If previous position is wrong, have the guts to say so”, “if you hold by your position, reaffirm and face the consequences”. Was LHL talking about himself? Joker in white
@ashunknown9728
@ashunknown9728 4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@SimonK3113
@SimonK3113 2 жыл бұрын
People living in glass house better not throw stones...quoted LHY recently
@kiangee
@kiangee 9 жыл бұрын
At least the debate was done in a civilized manner. There's one clear winner in terms of orator skills. If one does not have language skills one cannot be an efficient speaker no matter how good one's ideas or insights are. LTK stood up well against the pressure of the sheer presence of the majority opposition party. That in itself is intimidation enough, but having to content with the smirking and contemptuous expressions that the opposition audiences are not able to hide make it more nerve racking for LTK being the newbie minority. Being newbie he is disadvantaged because he's less experienced than the PM but he did well under the circumstances.
@david_lifeandgames
@david_lifeandgames 9 жыл бұрын
shit can't believe Singaporeans support Mr Low and his WP. I as a Malaysian can see who would be more competent in managing the gov. If your present gov ends up like our shitty BN then by all means kick it out! But yours is not.. so learn to appreciate their work.
@david_lifeandgames
@david_lifeandgames 9 жыл бұрын
embarrassing english too btw.. he should go for English classes before sitting in Parliament.
@soyouknowit
@soyouknowit 10 жыл бұрын
OMG look at those amused expressions on the pap members face hahahahahahaha
@Insidious1990
@Insidious1990 10 жыл бұрын
Are you not amused as well? A 4 year old who saw this would be amused.
@evolution8662
@evolution8662 4 жыл бұрын
Of course they are amused la it's watching theatre show......
@princespade
@princespade 10 жыл бұрын
It seems that the motivation for WP is trying to attack PAP. They fully understand the consequences of freezing the foreign worker population growth. But they still insisted zero growth in parliament debate last year. After tightening the growth rate, it is now difficult for SME to recruit workers. Maybe it is good for restructuring the economy. By raising the sensitive issues like foreign workers, WP can win votes from young Singaporean voters. That is not the constructive way of doing politics. Politicians do not care about it. I am concerned about the future of this island. Who knows what will happen in 10 years.
@sulaimandali17
@sulaimandali17 10 жыл бұрын
What can I say except that the PAP would always like to appear that they are always right and know best! As for me let us decide on the ballot boxes
@skychaos87
@skychaos87 9 жыл бұрын
I care not for Low's language ability, you can always have a translator for that. Although i must say, Singapore unlike big nations like China, people aren't willing to go over to Singapore and request from us, we haven't resources or opportunities the big nations can provide. We live on providing service platforms, so if we want to sell ourselves we better have a prime minister that can efficiently deliver our pitch. Now what i am most concern about is Low's ability as a leader and minister, through the exchange in the video here i am convinced Low is playing politics and not contributing. Often times when he defend himself he does so in a way by rationalizing it instead of presenting facts. I see not in his presentation and behavior is he able to connect Singapore to the world in a meaningful way. I mean if people think PAP is not good enough for Singapore, then one would logically wants the next government stronger and capable to take Singapore to greater heights isn't it? Yes Low seems caring in his rally and speech to try and fight for more benefits for Singaporeans but i don't see him capable in bringing Singapore forward. It is not about citizens vs government trying to get more welfare reaping from the country but to bring Singapore to a higher stage in the world reaping benefits and rewards from the world outside. That is our only way of survival.
@marlinandabby
@marlinandabby 4 жыл бұрын
Down to earth is better than packaging flaws and selling them as merits
@storyofwill
@storyofwill 9 жыл бұрын
LTK is good at playing tai chi. Listen for so long try to get his points and facts end up I don't get any facts. No substance. Why Singaporean elect him why? Such a shame. Degrade the parliament.
@aurorawild4496
@aurorawild4496 9 жыл бұрын
its time for change. We need more opposition in parliment if not PaP will be able to do anything what they want. Making our life even more miserable.
@mftang8
@mftang8 9 жыл бұрын
Imagining him on the world stage brings me secondhand embarassment...
@conan2209
@conan2209 10 жыл бұрын
That's the best our opposition can do?
@ThomasNovLoh
@ThomasNovLoh 10 жыл бұрын
Luckily the PAP did not win the recent Punggol East by election.
@davidtan8779
@davidtan8779 9 жыл бұрын
I am not a big fan of politics but I think we should not be judging how an MP speaks in this instance. Moreover, I'm sure all the PAP MPs go through proper speech training to be that polished. LTK mentioned WP is suggesting zero pop growth by transferring the FT among different sectors which is a good pointer and recommendation. I think that is what an opposition with limited seats and manpower should do in parliament. Hence, the PAP should have explored that option being suggested and do a calculation whether that is possible. However, it seems PM is trying to slam WP and wants them to come up with an entire plan on zero pop growth. Then what is the point of PAP having majority seats in parliament if they need an opposition party to spoon feed them an entire plan? It seems more evident that PAP is more keen to put down opposition parties than to explore the possibilities and suggestions they have come up with. Then this is not a ruling party I voted for. *missing LKY*
@DominicSings
@DominicSings 9 жыл бұрын
The opposition party's role is not only to oppose for the sake of opposing, but should also provide solutions and justifications to why they oppose, therefore a need for a plan, their plan. I agree that an opposition party is needed because as much as PAP has been 'corruption free' so far, absolute power will be more prune to corruption - I get it. But the opposition has to step up their game and be less of a complaining party, suggesting no form of solutions or any alternatives. That is why LTK is owned here, not because of his accent but his inability to articulate a clear response with a plan.
@cairene
@cairene 9 жыл бұрын
+Dominic Christian No, an opposition party is to oppose, to provoke, instigate. They aren't supposed, technically to come up with solutions. They are to poke holes at the ruling party's solutions and egg the ruling party to come up with better solutions. And if needed, to highlight the deficiencies to the public. The opposition party is not there to do the job of the ruling party. That's where i think most Singaporeans fail in their understanding of the role of the opposition. It would do you good to watch a few PM Q&A rounds of the House of Commons. You will get a better appreciation of how it's supposed to go. Lotsa banter back and forth. The Speaker is meant to reign them in.
@lionhead977
@lionhead977 9 жыл бұрын
+David Tan If u had voted for PAP in past elections, its a good reflection from u. Sooner or later it will be 0 pop growth and Singapore's weakness will be exposed. Every Singaporean will face this bullet. PAP trying ways to lengthen the importing. WP is saying lets do it now and revamp the system to more creative. Why sooner or later 0 pop growth? China and pinoys are asking for same 3000-5000 salary as Singaporeans before they come. Their countries will improve to keep their own citizens eventually. PAP is bribing them currently. Based on stats, PAP is only ahead 15 to 30 years compared to its neighbours..
@shucklesors
@shucklesors 9 жыл бұрын
its so difficult to understand wtf ltk is trying to say
@stopwars2292
@stopwars2292 9 жыл бұрын
Racist
@Andy-eb1hq
@Andy-eb1hq 5 жыл бұрын
Dumbass
@Ospreysaurus
@Ospreysaurus 9 жыл бұрын
+loverangel1 Did you say " sneaky noser with a hidden agenda" ? You are absolutely right. His dislikeable face aptly tells a hidden story, especially the 'slapping the driver' . It was so rude and uncouth of a party leader - he proved how a gangster would speak and he repeated several times to churn out laughter among his lowly crowd. Your words hold true. Look at what's happening at his TC - residents' money are mismanaged so badly, untraceable and residents' S$26 million being misused ! And his eulogy for LKY had a "sharpened knife' - I preferred he stuffed up his own face. - what a cunning cad. Chiam See Tong - let's find one of his calibre with honesty and integrity. This is a good man.
@turtlegeneral
@turtlegeneral 4 жыл бұрын
Lhl is a petty bully.😒 83 Vs 6, what can WP do?
@judgenothingable
@judgenothingable 6 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite debate so far. Hooohooo!!
@IBLAnthony
@IBLAnthony 6 жыл бұрын
Isn't that Singaporean vote WP to become the guard in the parliament? What I remember, people mentioned about there is a need to have someone to fight with PAP? so how you guys saying that WP is not contributing? WP is there to guard PAP and debate with PAP as just like how singaporean wanted.
@turtlegeneral
@turtlegeneral 4 жыл бұрын
More like an auditor.. basic check
@ecxm91
@ecxm91 10 жыл бұрын
no offence to LTK but he really seemed to be beating around the bush. if he had been throwing out some solid policies i think he might have "won" the debate. this really makes me wonder who to vote for next time... a party that have become conceited with their dominance or a party that uses peoples unhappiness to garner votes yet are unable to come up with any solutions
@nervxxx
@nervxxx 9 жыл бұрын
As much as I cringe at hearing LTK speak in english, I don't think that that should be the issue here. The issue isn't even about 'winning' or 'losing' this debate. The real issue should instead be the quality of the arguments put forth by either side - whether the argument makes sense, whether it's logical and whether it's well thought out. It could be the case that both sides stand very differently on an issue, and even though no consensus is reached at the end of the debate, as long as both sides try their best in convincing the other side on their (might I add, concrete) position, then a conversation, a dialogue, has been achieved. That is the sort of back and forth I would like happen in a governing body. That is the sort of exchange (checks and balances) that would presumably lead to better policy making. Just from this very short debate, it seems to me that the WP does not have a concrete stand on an issue at all! Look at the content of what he's saying (not how he said it, even if it's in broken english): the current government has done SOME things right, but SOME things need to be improved. Which some?? even when pressed on the topic of population growth, to explain more in detail about how to get by with geero (sorry, couldn't resist, I mean zero) population growth, LTK just says in very vague terms that they have done calculations and that they can move foreign workers around easily in different sectors and we can manage. Well, I would be a lot more convinced by his statement if he had given concrete numbers and the examples of which sectors could use fewer / more workers. Essentially, all that talk about being a responsible and rational opposition and offering counter views looks to me like fluff, because they are unsubstantiated. Worse, it's not just fluff, it's fluff said to make his party look as though they are the champions of the real solution, of the real change and real reform. It is quite scary. It is quite easy for someone to come by and identify problems. But it is very hard to offer a proper solution. Unfortunately, it seems to me that support for the opposition has risen in Singapore primarily because it is easy to stir up people's feelings by doing the former. But I wonder how many people actually feel that the opposition has also managed to do the latter; offer a solution. Don't get me wrong, I am not an ardent supporter of the PAP, even though the PAP has done well in the past. They could rethink one or two of their current policies (to be deliberately vague). But I think one should not vote for a party solely based on past performance. Instead one should vote for a party based also on whether one sees a future with that party. And unfortunately, I don't see Singapore's future lying in the hands of any of the opposition parties right now, with this level of arguments as seen in this video.
@desvin67
@desvin67 5 жыл бұрын
The only sensible comment ive seen so far
@user-vw4ml7qf8u
@user-vw4ml7qf8u 5 жыл бұрын
No offense but i dont find what your saying is sensible at all instead, you couldnt even think out of the box and figure out what LTK is trying to say, mean.Yeah i know his English isnt perfect but i mean seriously, do you need him to say out word by word so you can understand? i doubt so, clearly you do not understand or studied politics and political language, this isnt a matter for you to judge on, this is a debate for pushing the nation forward. Your last statement is truly in my opinion regrettable, its because of people like you, nothing will change, nobody will question the government on how they are doing their job etc, governing a state is not based on parliamentary debates.
@justintimeleave1360
@justintimeleave1360 5 жыл бұрын
Mr LTK actually writes seriously good written statements. His speech pattern may be slightly jarring but that may be endearing to pro-opposition citizens due to the contrast between PAP's typical fluent speeches. LTK is the only credible opposition to PAP but they have still yet to prove they can do better.
@mo86r97
@mo86r97 10 жыл бұрын
If I were the PM, that's how I would "fix" the oppositions(post their embarrassing moments in the house). And it is fair game. People voted them in. Most other party's heads are perhaps better speaker but will, nevertheless, get their foot in the mouth, sooner or later, when cornered by a seasoned parliamentarian. Unfortunately, that's the kind of home grown "talents" here. People have to choose between bad and worst.
@fakecabal
@fakecabal 4 жыл бұрын
Didn’t opposition still raise this in 2020???
@fakecabal
@fakecabal 4 жыл бұрын
I can be opposition too. I can just ask questions... Who can’t. To be a good opposition you need to do your homework, check, think, analyse and come to debate with good proposals.
@znim10995
@znim10995 10 жыл бұрын
Lhl almost losing it...though please send 70000 foreigners home k
@ghost-pv8gl
@ghost-pv8gl 5 жыл бұрын
Next GE get few more opposition party into the house will be better. Last GE most Singaporeans are giving the face of old Lee pass away and don't want neighbour countries to laugh at us for sudden changes. But I believed many Singaporeans already see this pass few years what have the son do?? Cost of living?? I really cannot accept the reason of water price up just because of saying to let Singaporeans awareness of saving water. What are they talking???
@Eugene_TEC
@Eugene_TEC 9 жыл бұрын
LTK really doesn't know what the hell he's doing does he? He seems completely out of his depth when it comes to making a stand and actually following through what his party brags in elections. I'm sure all the people who voted for the WP jn Hougang and Aljunied expected more than this beating around the bush.
@yourstrulybae
@yourstrulybae 9 жыл бұрын
The problem about his ENGLISH is NOT the ISSUE here. Someone can speak really bad/lousy english but if he "thinks" for the better of Singapore, he can be PM. But, MR LTK here, doesn't speak sense, he speaks for the sake of a debate to go head to head with PM LEE
@salam1989
@salam1989 10 жыл бұрын
Like father like son. GREEDY! Haha!
@kensaxophone
@kensaxophone 10 жыл бұрын
6:20 that smile... HAHAHHAA
@Fishball0423
@Fishball0423 4 жыл бұрын
fully confident
@evolution8662
@evolution8662 4 жыл бұрын
You mean Lawrence Wong????
@crrushcrushcrush
@crrushcrushcrush 10 жыл бұрын
@8:01 is that dude sleeping?
@alberthoe5799
@alberthoe5799 9 жыл бұрын
"Selective lost" of understanding after much explanation from Mr Low. Is this what they call taking time to mark the opposition, I wonder?
@karenchu994
@karenchu994 9 жыл бұрын
Lol. Wasted my time listening to ZEEELOOOOOWWWW man.
@c0rnelyus
@c0rnelyus 9 жыл бұрын
Karen Chu sorry man. Its GERO. Get your pronunciation right. lol
@karenchu994
@karenchu994 9 жыл бұрын
Lol! Ok, sorry. Geeerrroooooo. c0rnelyus​
@renderz8435
@renderz8435 6 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aJqZdpemst-pqYE.html this one is better right? president scholar
@fcuksginvain9598
@fcuksginvain9598 6 жыл бұрын
NO OFFENSE, THE MOST ARTIFICIAL DEMOCRACY IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE. PURE DEMOCRACY IS WHEN EVERYONE CAN EXPRESS THEIR THOUGHTS NO MATTER HOW STUPID IT IS WITHOUT ANY PRESSURE FROM ANYONE AND NO BIAS TOWARDS ANYONE... AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
@erehteblli
@erehteblli 9 жыл бұрын
Yes! WP has not come up with anyone who is a leader with a VIsion and someone who lay down his/her entire life and put nation's interests before theirs. I don't see any. All they do is compliant, unhappy (over unnecessary administrative tussles that can be settled at ground/operational level rather than bringing up to parlimentary, wasting citizen's time and money), talk talk v clever and spoke about 'constructive policy" which is impractical. Arrogant people we don't need for Singapore. We need humble, delicated leaders who are for Singapore and who knows the right decisions to make and move forward. So far, I have heard our PM apologises when he makes mistake. Being humble is great. Being arrogance like Worker's Party and their leader..... these attribues are never a wise choice to be selected to be a government for Singapore. If you are good, people got eyes to see, we are not stupid, so Workers Party all you do is alot of talk talk, oppose and oppose, questioning unnecessary and critizing most of the time. As for your decision and financial governance of town council ... very unethical practice (all people who knows finance and audit should know).... it's a shame...
@macrick
@macrick 8 жыл бұрын
Can you folks stop attacking his English ffs?
@Andy-eb1hq
@Andy-eb1hq 4 жыл бұрын
I do understand him
@invivtus
@invivtus 9 жыл бұрын
The Workers Party is too populist.Also Kiang should try hard to be understood i have no idea what on earth he is trying to say......
@FREEMASONCOLLAPSE
@FREEMASONCOLLAPSE 9 жыл бұрын
+taj zahid Populism has been very popular in recent years. See what's happening in Taiwan Hong Kong.
@choo77
@choo77 8 жыл бұрын
+taj zahid zero pronounced as ziro dud
@cheahxile5165
@cheahxile5165 5 жыл бұрын
HAHA luckily they have subtitles:)
@akidprosm
@akidprosm 10 жыл бұрын
Wow I literally thought..they were crossing swords with each other.. damn that would be epic.!
@strykeryker
@strykeryker 9 жыл бұрын
Akid Hamidon They did earlier...just sheathed into their scabbards. Lee Hsien Loong won with facts and substance. YAY !!
@juneaco3003
@juneaco3003 3 жыл бұрын
Why were the PAP people laughing? I believe that there should be more respect
@birdwatcher1772
@birdwatcher1772 3 жыл бұрын
They always laugh, at different people
@DawnVengeanceX
@DawnVengeanceX 10 жыл бұрын
The problem is with the PAP is that they've been top guns for 50 years without a doubt they were the better party but as times change the government has been rapidly declining in popularity by youths that go against their new policies which make Singapore a more expensive country will locals earnings are incapable of matching the market of eg. Households, cars and etc. No one has a say because the PAP are like I said top guns and to go against them is like playing with fire. But these debates make people think twice and the workers party has a point to prove and by injecting these debates the PAP will have to step up and reclaim the votes of the many youths who are against them. I see this as a healthy debate to making the next election a better one. For me, the workers party has a point to prove in the coming future.
@gnoynix1
@gnoynix1 10 жыл бұрын
It's the talent issue again.
@oxigenhalogen337
@oxigenhalogen337 10 жыл бұрын
Your youths are invited to start working and bring their contributions to Singapore society first before commenting on its politics.
@BabyBoiAaron
@BabyBoiAaron 9 жыл бұрын
Eugene L. how about you shut the fuck up?
@nhy123123
@nhy123123 9 жыл бұрын
I personally feel that the rationale behind the declining standards in our politics is that nobody is interested to be a politician anymore, at least amongst the top talents. Singapore being so small and restricted, it is hard for talents to ever go into the world stage, not to mention be a politician which can outmatch LKY. It is disappointing to see WP being defeated rather badly here, but I have to admit, they are also suffering from the same problem PAP is also facing now - Singaporeans are just not interested in politics anymore. Those that are interested...just cite ideals and not practical solutions.
@itsDevTheW
@itsDevTheW 4 жыл бұрын
Who Is Here After PAP winning 2020 Elections?
@zizou500
@zizou500 9 жыл бұрын
The opposition in Singapore needs to up their speaking abilities first
@Ospreysaurus
@Ospreysaurus 9 жыл бұрын
11kreep They only follow the people's criticisms which anyone like us can do but have the WP provided any solutions to our problems? NONE, but they surely are smart in collecting similar MP's high salaries monthly too.
@projectgarage61
@projectgarage61 10 жыл бұрын
Well said PM Lee SL.
@Aahbozz2
@Aahbozz2 10 жыл бұрын
One thing is for sure though, Mr Lee Hisen Long has better English! haha
@JoLeng205000
@JoLeng205000 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr Low, We only respect a leader who has the courage to speak and admits when he or she has made a mistake but we don't respect or support leader who are only good in twist and turn!
@monizag
@monizag 10 жыл бұрын
LTK can never be voted a PM. Although, I like to see a strong opposition party exist in Singapore to challenge the govt policies, but not one led by LTK. He cannot talk eloquently, struggles with his words and did not even understand what LSL meant. I understood LSL's intended message but why a veteran LTK could not? This only shows LTK needs to step out of politics and let others lead WP. LSL was absolutely right about WP's behavior in parliament. In rallies, talk loudly like a tiger. In parliament, meow like a cat. Roy Ngerng can speak better than LTK.
@jonathangoh406
@jonathangoh406 10 жыл бұрын
Replying to your behavior of LTK in Parliament. There isn't sufficient opposition, period.
@AngelGennie
@AngelGennie 10 жыл бұрын
I agree with u. LTK cannot articulate his ideas in a way that LSL can. And words are definitely power in debates like that. WP has lost my support.
@theworldisgood
@theworldisgood 10 жыл бұрын
Maybe they both switch to mandarin. LTK just happened to not have English as his first language. He tried his best!
@iceboxy
@iceboxy 9 жыл бұрын
Judging by the voting patterns of Singaporeans in general and the voting results of the 2011 General Election, we are too far from a stage of changing the government. In fact WP did not even contest in enough constituencies to force a government change even if it was able to win in every constituency it contested in. Also better speaking in English does not equate to being able to win enough votes to speak in parliament.
@monizag
@monizag 9 жыл бұрын
English is just a language of choice. LTK can choose to speak in other languages that he is more familiar with. However, to take on the role of a governing party and being the new PM, he needs to demonstrate his eloquence in English. Unfortunately, English is the language used globally and that has worked well with SG government so far. I look forward to a change but not a sensible change of leadership. If you can't talk, you just can lead.
@edenlim3534
@edenlim3534 7 жыл бұрын
pay n pay pay till die
@thomaschung1693
@thomaschung1693 5 жыл бұрын
Pm said that the work party can do anything is true because all the important post the gov is hold. the work party only can bring the fact to parliament to acknowlege to the gov to consider but the gov. Alway rejected the opposition hood will it is true
@thomaschung1693
@thomaschung1693 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry the work party 1) cannot do anything. 2)Good will
@yut576
@yut576 10 жыл бұрын
If the late JB Jeyaratnam is around - he'll make PAP and LHL sweat..
@donbrask
@donbrask 7 жыл бұрын
I say this, not sure if English is their first language but the way opposition MP spoke in English is thousands time better than any other MP in my country. They just never intended to learn English. On the other hand I'm always inspired to see this prime minister talk about issues in his country so passionately. I hope one day we will have politicians like him too.
@OEL35
@OEL35 9 жыл бұрын
I guess we've seen enough for ourselves, by giving aljunied/hougang GRC for opposition to handle. To be blunt, WP couldn't even manage those areas well, what's more leaving Singapore to them? Have we not given opposition enough chances to prove how incompetent they really are? We might not agree with PAP policies sometimes, but does PAP have a vision for Singapore? Yes, I see that they have. Does WP have a vision for Singapore, till date I havent seen any from them. All they do is criticize and "improve" on the current policies. But have they came up with real solid proposal, a proposal that is completely ORIGINAL and a TRUE alternative? We don't need someone who will only ECHO our unhappiness during elections. We need someone who is a THINKER. We need a leader with a VISION. Someone who is willing to lay down his/her entire life and put the nation's interests before theirs. NOT their FRIENDS/SUPPORTERS interests BEFORE the nation. This, my dear friends is a perfect case where we cannot entrust our nation to an opposition who obviously hasn't seen millions of dollars before, hence trying to find ways to pocket it or remove them from the sinking fund with no intention to return. If you think PAP is not doing a satisfying job, then wait until you see another capable leader (by capable I mean good education status, a thinker, someone who thinks for the nation). Not voting for random opposition JUST because you dislike PAP. This is not what a responsible citizen should do. We received first world education, please act like a first world citizen.
@wirulrazali819
@wirulrazali819 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome :)
@lovetrustandpixiedust
@lovetrustandpixiedust 9 жыл бұрын
***** Very well said. It's heartening to see clear-headed Singaporeans around qualified to vote.
@Niiflux
@Niiflux 9 жыл бұрын
***** We have the best government in the world in comparison with the other 160+ countries. I have yet to see a single country more well managed than Singapore. From the video, It can be seen that the WP hates to admit but knows that PAP is already doing a great job and the best way is to slightly improve on existing policies. And correctly put by Low in his speech, I appreciate that the WP is indeed responsible by not trying to destroy everything is the going right in the country. To be honest, I think the country only requires very minor tweaks.
@mftang8
@mftang8 9 жыл бұрын
Well said
@qiqiyong6562
@qiqiyong6562 9 жыл бұрын
***** Well written comment.
@travisoh7108
@travisoh7108 10 жыл бұрын
Lhl why u fear Sg's politics driven into the same place of other countries? Or is it u fear all the skeletons fall out of the cabinets with your good deeds?
@iceboxy
@iceboxy 9 жыл бұрын
Very apparent Workers Party learned from other First World Parliaments/Governments like those of Japan and USA and is conveying that message to voters that voting more non-PAP candidates into parliament would not result in government shutting down or changing of Prime Minister every year. So they kept quiet on more issues and only chose to debate on selected issues.
@adben7882
@adben7882 9 жыл бұрын
I love Singapore and I love PM Lee too but after watching this video, I have repect for Mr Low Thia Khiang. I actually agree with him that it is the role of the opposition to raise issues they are against and it is up to the ruling government to make the final say, n that opposition should respect the final say, or otherwise, keep challenging the issue. It is sad thou to see MPs smirk when Mr Low is speaking.. i feel if MPs only see a person on surface value (in this sense Mr Low's English), then how can we Singaporean trust that they can take care of Singapore beyond the superficial level. After Afterall, not many of us are scholars.
@looneytuneeeeeeee123
@looneytuneeeeeeee123 10 жыл бұрын
aiyo don't need talk so much la. evidence shows everything. sgrean jobless, many foreign workers, cpf cannot get back (dont know where it goes to), hdb cost up to 400-500k. still not obvious? pretty words may be very catchy, but if it doesn't work means doesn't work. one action speaks millions word liao. good enuff to write essay liao.
@Niiflux
@Niiflux 9 жыл бұрын
looneytuneeeeeeee123 (1) you being jobless does not mean everyone is jobless. You are jobless because you are either incapable or your asking pay is just too absurd. Employment in Singapore one of the highest in the world. (2) The issue on Foreign Workers was debated by this video, were you even watching? Anyway, how are they offending you or changing your way or life? (3) CPF cannot get back? There are many ways to get back your CPF, go visit CPF website (4) HDB cost up to 400k-500k - Name one first world country that is cheaper than our property prices? And you mentioned up to 500k, precisely there are so many lower-end HDB homes starting from 80k. Lastly, thanks for voting this Mr Low into parliament, he has been a great help.
@looneytuneeeeeeee123
@looneytuneeeeeeee123 9 жыл бұрын
Niiflux and where did you get all this info from? from your dear pm lee and supporters web right? aiyo. obviously you're ignorant. no one reply but give me likes when i never asked for any support. issue of foreign worker wasn't debated here but i jus point it out as one of the fault cannot meh? think you so knowledgeable? go work for pm lee la. if you think you so up there and not happy with my comment then show us how you are "up there" la. prove to me all this point i pointed out is no longer an issue in sg. see? that's the problem right? keep on debate and no results are shown. tsktsktsk. then like that all of us can be pm liao.
@Niiflux
@Niiflux 9 жыл бұрын
sorry, i think i hit a hard spot. I might be totally right on point number 1. What info do i need to answer those questions? Do i really need to source these information from PM lee or PAP? You talk about "prove to me" this, "prove to me" you are "up there". Shows what kind of person you are and what kind of people is voting for the opposition. Sorry, this is the last time i am going to feed the troll. happy talking to yourself.
@looneytuneeeeeeee123
@looneytuneeeeeeee123 9 жыл бұрын
Niiflux sorry, im not jobless. =) im jus bring up the point cos many sg frens having trouble cos of all the foreign trash who think they are up there and cheapskate enuff to take up the job. you are jus one of those arrogant ppl who think highly of themselves and act like a big f*** . advice for you: don't think too highly of yourself. the fact that you are talking and ranting stuff in youtube, you are as useless as any of us. dont try to act you're better than anyone and bring us down by few words of the same old trick. =) have fun, Loser
@m4rs12
@m4rs12 9 жыл бұрын
looneytuneeeeeeee123 thank you for not being a typical arrogant singaporean!
@wongjason420
@wongjason420 9 жыл бұрын
I am not here to judge or give opinion on which party is better. But, to pull out population white paper as a tool and end up not being able to sustain is embarrassing. Once again, while no judgement has been passed as to which party is better, it is clear to the public who won this debate.
@foundvin
@foundvin 9 жыл бұрын
And that's why we need more oppositions parties in the house......Dr Chee S J will definately be able to articulate and speak fluently under debates and probably intimidating confrontations.
@busancun
@busancun 9 жыл бұрын
It is really hard to understand what the Worker's Party leader said for his English is of a strong accent. I have to say Singapore English belongs to a variation of international English.
@Out1sSaidAsOat
@Out1sSaidAsOat 9 жыл бұрын
+Marc Twain As a fellow Singaporean, i gotta admit his pronunciation is cringe-worthy. It's pretty sad to see us Singaporeans claim English to be our first language without majority of the population being able to be fluent in it.
@yourbiggestretribution6151
@yourbiggestretribution6151 9 жыл бұрын
+Out1sSaidAsOat LOL you are deluded enough to think Singapore has English as its first language. Have you ever lived in a place where native English speakers are the majority?! Clearly, you have not. NOBODY in Singapore pronounces properly. Its not just Mr Low or anybody who usually speaks more mandarin. Its the whole fucking island,.. you people can't pronounce and speak properly. How do you pronounce "three"...let me guess, you say "tree" right? No difference between the two to you right? Hahahahha you are such a sad joke that you actually believe that your island has English as its first language, not to mention the fact that your ethnicity is not English, you have zero pride as well. Pathetic. A product of the culture revolution that LKY did to you guys where the cleansed your identity.. you are a pathetic group of brainwashed frogs in the well.
@user-sl5xx7bh8e
@user-sl5xx7bh8e 9 жыл бұрын
井底之蛙至少拥有自己属于的一片蓝天,骄者必败!会很多语言又怎样?也只是稳稳吃米粉。
@user-sl5xx7bh8e
@user-sl5xx7bh8e 9 жыл бұрын
+Lim Yuling 嫉妒吃米粉?也对。
@user-sl5xx7bh8e
@user-sl5xx7bh8e 9 жыл бұрын
+Lim Yuling 真的很好肖。
@kennylee2293
@kennylee2293 8 жыл бұрын
The way PM talk is a total shame to Singaporeans. PM should talk about constructive pointers and not pointers that talk bad about opposition. We Singaporeans do not need PM that waste time to listen to you talking bad about others. We need real solutions which you need to come out with and FAST!
@choo77
@choo77 8 жыл бұрын
+Kenny Lee zero pronounced as ziro dud
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