Pocket Telegraph Sounder Secret Pocket Watch Sounder M & I Electric Co

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RV Sparky

RV Sparky

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Circa Late 1800, early 1900. Made by Manufacturers and Inventors Electric Co NY. Cool little devise presumably for telegraph linemen to test the lines for Morse code signal strength. Friend lent this to me to figure out and make it work again. 4 Volts seems to make if function just fine.
I got information on it by posting on FB and got a great response from
Chris Farley thank you!
Also a bit of info on these sites:
americanhistory.si.edu/collec...
www.telegraphkeys.com/pages/so...

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@flyingdutchman28
@flyingdutchman28 4 ай бұрын
Every tech item was high tech at one point in history.
@SFVYachtClub
@SFVYachtClub 4 ай бұрын
The stone age never really ended in a lot of places. There are places in this world today where you can blow people's minds with things like a magnetic compass, lighter, steel butter knife, etc.
@ChozoSR388
@ChozoSR388 5 ай бұрын
So, what you're getting at is, these were, if you had the transceiver model, kind of the world's first portable instant messaging app. Eat your heart out, AOL
@davidrobertson5700
@davidrobertson5700 5 ай бұрын
Surely they would be dead before they could finish the heart and wipe the plate ?
@trwindianaoutdoors7996
@trwindianaoutdoors7996 5 ай бұрын
There are pocket telegraph pieces much older than this piece.
@chrisPbacon114
@chrisPbacon114 4 ай бұрын
Jesus, what a comment. You must be a millionare in terms of reddit karma.
@JackManic1984
@JackManic1984 4 ай бұрын
As long as you were near the telegraph lines.
@ttuanmu
@ttuanmu 4 ай бұрын
@@JackManic1984That’s right. This is as convenient as a payphone, at best.
@DanielGBenesScienceShows
@DanielGBenesScienceShows 4 ай бұрын
What an amazing piece of history you have! It can be said that I own an extensive collection of telegraph equipment and I can honestly say I’ve never seen one of these!
@allen_steel1236
@allen_steel1236 4 ай бұрын
you said you have an extensive collection of telegraph related items, I'm looking for a spring to repair a 1905 Marconi spark gap the part I need is the tension spring, it's approximately a half inch diameter at the base and then tapers to meet the tension screw, probably a little over 3/8 to a half an inch high. Any idea where we might find something like this?
@JinKee
@JinKee 5 ай бұрын
This is so beautifully designed. They really had a good eye back then
@bolgerguide
@bolgerguide 5 ай бұрын
The original wire tap device for intercepting telegraph traffic during espionage or investigations.
@piccalillipit9211
@piccalillipit9211 5 ай бұрын
100% that is for covert listening to the telegraph communications - which would justify its high price. I mean secret stock trades, corporate financial info etc used to go down the lines unencrypted.
@bearnaff9387
@bearnaff9387 5 ай бұрын
I don't think so, tbh. A clandestine device would allow you to tap the line and only skim a tiny bit of current. It would probably allow you to convert transmission wire into some kind of coil that drove a very small and lightweight deflector. This device requires you to sever the connection to one station or the other. You could possibly use this as part of a clandestine repeater/intercept station, but you would need some kind of keying device to transmit traffic further on.
@piccalillipit9211
@piccalillipit9211 5 ай бұрын
@@bearnaff9387 it does not require that you cut that the connection. It will run with jumpers TO the wires
@proto57
@proto57 5 ай бұрын
Imagine it with a dummy face and set of hands under the glass? If someone got stopped for suspicion, it might save them.
@brianveitenheimer4492
@brianveitenheimer4492 5 ай бұрын
You need to contact a railroad telegraphy club. Telegraph keying and sounding has had a resurgence lately. Railroad telegraphy historians could tell you exactly the purpose and operation of your little sounder. I’m betting it was carried by conductors and could easily be plugged in the line on a station platform to monitor schedule times and adjustments. Most railway office and dispatch workers new code in the 1870s into the 1940s.
@FunnyHaHa420
@FunnyHaHa420 5 ай бұрын
It reminds me of a gadget from the old "Wild Wild West" TV show.
@jchoward6451
@jchoward6451 5 ай бұрын
Yes it does! I could see James and Artemis connecting to Telegraph lines, sending messages so they could foil Dr Lovelace's evil genius plans to kidnap the President (yet again).
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 4 ай бұрын
The telegraph on the train?
@jasonwhite2028
@jasonwhite2028 4 ай бұрын
What a neat piece of history.
@charlesurrea1451
@charlesurrea1451 5 ай бұрын
Basically a lineman's test set
@damnu8089
@damnu8089 4 ай бұрын
your right but they are home made from call button from homes ,
@charlesspringer4709
@charlesspringer4709 5 ай бұрын
The screws are the same as the screws on a full size sounder where the gap and the spring are used to get a good sound at whatever voltage or current is supplied where you make the connection. Electromagnet field strength is determined only by current and number of turns, and telegraph systems are designed based on current. There were no voltage amplifiers until later.
@tsm688
@tsm688 4 ай бұрын
It's not like they're independent. There is no current without voltage, and they **certainly** didn't have constant-current devices yet.
@charlesspringer4709
@charlesspringer4709 4 ай бұрын
@@tsm688 Correct. In a many miles long single wire (Earth return telegraph) the voltage drops with distance due to the resistance of the wire, but in a circuit the current in equals current out and you have the same current everywhere and the signalling works at any place along the line.
@jessen00001
@jessen00001 4 ай бұрын
From a time when things worked a lifetime + So fantastic ❤
@nagualdesign
@nagualdesign 4 ай бұрын
No they didn't. The things that were made a long time ago that are still around today we're obviously well made, but there are countless things were made a long time ago that are no longer around. All the disposable stuff made today isn't going to last but there are many things built today that are made to last decades or even centuries. Don't make the mistake of looking at an antique and concluding that we don't make things anymore that will last that long.
@lauriivey7801
@lauriivey7801 4 ай бұрын
@@nagualdesign I find it interesting that many 'everyday objects' can be found ... I would expect specialty items to last, but something as simple as a hairbrush, or razor, is just amazing (I hardly think ours will hold up as well)
@jessen00001
@jessen00001 4 ай бұрын
@@nagualdesign please come with some examples. I got a lot of old tools from my grandparents that still run and work. So no your argument is not valid i my opinion. So agree, its amazing to see things like this 😊
@jessen00001
@jessen00001 4 ай бұрын
@@lauriivey7801 i do have a throat cutter / razor from around 1890. I do think that they made things to last for a lifetime until they figure out that they didn't sell enough...
@nagualdesign
@nagualdesign 4 ай бұрын
@@jessen00001 I'll give you an analogy. 1000 people are each given a coin to toss. If you get heads you're eliminated. After 10 rounds chances are that only 1 person remains, because that person just got tails 10 times in a row, but *they weren't any better than the other 999 people at tossing a coin.* I guess your grandfather bought decent tools, he looked after them, and he was fortunate. I'm absolutely certain that there were many tools manufactured at the same time, some of them identical to your grandfather's, that did not stand the test of time. And if you bought some decent tools today and looked after they may well last just as long. Some things are built to last, other things aren't.
@markmoore9486
@markmoore9486 5 ай бұрын
The important thing with a telegraph armature is current, not voltage. It takes voltage to generate current of course, but without some resistance you can burn out a coil if you're not careful.
@xanselmox
@xanselmox 5 ай бұрын
Those are the hands of a working man
@MichaelOfRohan
@MichaelOfRohan 5 ай бұрын
A well fed working man 😊
@bigginsmcsauce
@bigginsmcsauce 5 ай бұрын
Awesome portable antique tech!
@abcstardust
@abcstardust 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting! This piece of history is fascinating,
@is0p0d
@is0p0d 5 ай бұрын
very cool video brother, makes a fella nostalgic for a world when technology was more exciting
@joyearnd
@joyearnd 4 ай бұрын
This is insane. Pocket morse telegraph... Genius developer device.
@sparkyprojects
@sparkyprojects 5 ай бұрын
You could make a nice wood base so it looks like how you would display a watch, but hide the bluetooth in the base with a couple of pins sticking up, no need to modify the item at all And at that voltage, a lipo battery should work fine ;) Use watch oil for lubrication.
@midshipman8654
@midshipman8654 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting little device. I think its a neat idea if these thinfs where popular in a pre phone world. plug your pocket telegraph into a landline and send messages to someone.
@maryjones5710
@maryjones5710 4 ай бұрын
Gorgeous little device. What a great find.
@jberk8529
@jberk8529 5 ай бұрын
That is really cool, thank you for sharing!!! I really enjoy Morse Code, and really like learning about different products.
@Gabriela_BA
@Gabriela_BA 4 ай бұрын
What a beautiful piece, thanks for sharing
@TheShivABC
@TheShivABC 4 ай бұрын
Awesome, thanks for the video, I love obscure tech!
@SoonGone
@SoonGone 4 ай бұрын
That's a lovely thing. I've never seen one before.
@BricksDokisandDoctors
@BricksDokisandDoctors 4 ай бұрын
My great grandfather had one. The way it worked ( the way he said) is that they would find major telegraph lines and wire tgem through the watch and camp there for a few days. The changes in the telegraph line would do as the video showed. In his deployment he used one to transcribe 27 messages from Morse code. A problem they had though is that they would damage easily from over usage.
@DeadBryan
@DeadBryan 4 ай бұрын
Amazing telegraph pocket watcher
@skipstewart9376
@skipstewart9376 4 ай бұрын
That’s a very unique and very cool item, thank you for sharing with us
@russellperry9902
@russellperry9902 4 ай бұрын
Antique cellular telegraphy. Awesomeness.
@Veganfarter
@Veganfarter 4 ай бұрын
That's really cool! 😮 I enjoy this kinda stuff
@paulperry7091
@paulperry7091 5 ай бұрын
It would be useful for anyone repairing telegraph lines, and possibly for someone working on a railroad track if there was a telegraph line running with it.
@nokel2
@nokel2 4 ай бұрын
looks like something you'd take to antique's roadshow
@MemoWardwell
@MemoWardwell 5 ай бұрын
Obviously, man that uses his hands for good ! As a licensed Amateur radio operator, I saw one of these in a collection.
@pfsmith007
@pfsmith007 5 ай бұрын
Very cool relic, thanks for sharing.
@TheJimbob1603
@TheJimbob1603 5 ай бұрын
I bet James West had one!
@allen_steel1236
@allen_steel1236 4 ай бұрын
Some of these units also have built-in Telegraph keys, or contactors. That would work by pushing down on the adjustment knobs. The connections were made, with a slot that was cut into the bottom of the case. You could slip a bare wire inside of with one connection, the other one was made through a very small phenolic or porcelain insulator with a sleeve that you could put a wire into. Usually there was a set of wires with jumper clips would be carried in your pocket along with it. These were normally carried by signal and test man. Working on Telegraph circuits. As a faster method of pulling out your actual test set that had a line meter a battery, and usually a couple different Sounders to change the line current
@Evilzionistbabykillers
@Evilzionistbabykillers 5 ай бұрын
Wow that's a great find , never saw or heard of them
@kwhp1507
@kwhp1507 4 ай бұрын
Super cool device. Never seen one before but I don’t know much about the telegraph equipment.
@dale4034
@dale4034 5 ай бұрын
A cool little gadget.
@jessen00001
@jessen00001 4 ай бұрын
Looks very interesting
@jamesallred460
@jamesallred460 4 ай бұрын
Wow. What a cool find!
@jameshicks7125
@jameshicks7125 5 ай бұрын
I am in that FB Group. This is pretty neat. I'll have to look at the group page.
@isacchris1
@isacchris1 5 ай бұрын
That’s really really cool!
@trespire
@trespire 5 ай бұрын
Basically the ancestor of the I-phone.
@PsyTechnical
@PsyTechnical 4 ай бұрын
Wow, I had NO IDEA!!! AMAZING!
@rickschrager
@rickschrager 4 ай бұрын
Too cool. It's a portable surveillance gizmo. Wiretapping device in your pocket.
@doggodoggo3000
@doggodoggo3000 5 ай бұрын
super cool! thanks for sharing!
@Zodliness
@Zodliness 5 ай бұрын
Age is just a number, everyone can be baffled and amused for hours guessing what antique gadgets do? 🤔😂
@TheCrakkle
@TheCrakkle 4 ай бұрын
Interesting piece. Thanks
@thedude8046
@thedude8046 4 ай бұрын
Awesome piece 👌
@DrSid42
@DrSid42 4 ай бұрын
Beautiful !
@felixman9691
@felixman9691 4 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing this!!! So cool!!!!
@jameslabs1
@jameslabs1 4 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@darrelluther5569
@darrelluther5569 4 ай бұрын
very awesome never seen one either thanks for shareing
@fumrious
@fumrious 5 ай бұрын
Cool! Similar to the gadget taped to the blackjack cheater in the movie “Casino”, but not as crude
@stanleyhape8427
@stanleyhape8427 4 ай бұрын
Aye, nice find . Thanks for sharing.
@sterlingbloomfield4458
@sterlingbloomfield4458 5 ай бұрын
That is so cool bro
@BusterHWJones
@BusterHWJones 5 ай бұрын
Try some sewing machine oil on it. It's great for little mechanisms.
@yepiratesworkshop7997
@yepiratesworkshop7997 5 ай бұрын
Especially since whale oil is so hard to find these days.
@Benzinilinguine
@Benzinilinguine 4 ай бұрын
​@@yepiratesworkshop7997legally, sure.
@billrowan1957
@billrowan1957 4 ай бұрын
Oil and electronics do not go together, Ever!. Regardless of the type of oil. (Just saying not trying to "correct you" or play gotcha)
@UnitSe7en
@UnitSe7en 5 ай бұрын
I was briefly confused and wondered why NurdRage had another channel.
@RVSparky
@RVSparky 5 ай бұрын
Is that a good thing? Ill have to look up that channel.
@UnitSe7en
@UnitSe7en 5 ай бұрын
@@RVSparky Chemistry. Same voice. Same setup on-camera with a close backdrop and a sheet of paper with a logo. Just an funny coincidence!
@PerspectiveEngineer
@PerspectiveEngineer 4 ай бұрын
@@RVSparkyits a good thing
@mr.powell8817
@mr.powell8817 5 ай бұрын
This looks pretty neat, i'll google sounding for more sounder content Oh good heavens
@berni8k
@berni8k 4 ай бұрын
Ah at first i thought this would have been a miniature spark gap RF transmitter.
@SMLEMK4
@SMLEMK4 5 ай бұрын
I hope the press doesn't get hold of it! What with all the phone hacking. I don't want people listening in on my morse code porn!
@peterrenn6341
@peterrenn6341 5 ай бұрын
phwoar - look at the dots on that! ... --.--..----..--.... - ;-)
@ilovewimacapacitors
@ilovewimacapacitors 5 ай бұрын
🥵
@JMWexperience
@JMWexperience 5 ай бұрын
Pretty sweet!
@palarious
@palarious 5 ай бұрын
that's really cool.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 4 ай бұрын
Interesting video...👍
@imark7777777
@imark7777777 5 ай бұрын
Well I definitely see it used as a spy gadget I don't think that would be the primary case but I'm sure for the right individual it was useful. It's much more on par with pricing of what a current day fluke would be. There are network testers that are $1500+ that do everything. Then there's some cheaper ones in the $800 to $1000 range that don't do quite as much. And then there's some cheap $10 network testers that almost barely tell you that it's working. I would imagine this is something a technician would carry and it would be small and lightweight. and it may or may not have been owned by the corporation they were working for.
@mephisto1176
@mephisto1176 4 ай бұрын
A pager from the late 1800's, that's nuts lol
@jonasgeez2140
@jonasgeez2140 5 ай бұрын
Wow how cool
@JackDaloots
@JackDaloots 4 ай бұрын
I'd love to find one of these. I'd wear it as a pocketwatch.
@user-im5ok5px2p
@user-im5ok5px2p 4 ай бұрын
In that way you will to have overloaded pockets with weird clocks, spark strikers, bullet casting molds and other stuff
@StephenRansom47
@StephenRansom47 4 ай бұрын
Nice find … such a thing must have been Fantastic to any boy that caught sight of it. Totally Science Fiction … for its day.
@ContributorX
@ContributorX 4 ай бұрын
Very cool 👍
@javiercastro8466
@javiercastro8466 5 ай бұрын
My bet is that it is a clandestine listening device to intercept telegraphic traffic.
@smudgey1kenobey
@smudgey1kenobey 4 ай бұрын
Now THAT is COOL!
@Rezin_8
@Rezin_8 5 ай бұрын
❤ 4v is what my 50s gear uses ❤ thought it was an old tattoo relay 😂
@Max_Mustermann
@Max_Mustermann 4 ай бұрын
Interesting find. At first I thought it was some sort of spy equipment. Although there probably wasn't that much spying going on during the Victorian era.
@xlerb2286
@xlerb2286 5 ай бұрын
You could make a little stand for it that has electronics in it to occasionally send out a message.
@SnarkNSass
@SnarkNSass 4 ай бұрын
Neato ✌🏻😎
@alexkuhn5078
@alexkuhn5078 5 ай бұрын
19th century smartwatch
@RichardSkokowski
@RichardSkokowski 5 ай бұрын
Seems to be kind of a 19th century "butt set".
@TheAlmightySnobDog
@TheAlmightySnobDog 4 ай бұрын
Awsome litle machine. I was thinking, the noise it does when diferent currents, pass throthg it, could not that be used to recieve morse code too ? This could be like a proto pager and later walkie talkie, because, its portable, and you could recieve messages with it. It would be cool to know more about it. Thank you for sharing :D
@RVSparky
@RVSparky 4 ай бұрын
Well yes. Morse code. Telegraph signals of that day I believe were all Morse code.
@TheAlmightySnobDog
@TheAlmightySnobDog 4 ай бұрын
@@RVSparky That is very interesting, i didnt know such devices existed in such small size
@plincoman
@plincoman 4 ай бұрын
i know well and true i have no need for such a device.... but damn it i still kinda want one, thanks for sharing!
@mikefishhead
@mikefishhead 5 ай бұрын
Morse code key fob
@PerspectiveEngineer
@PerspectiveEngineer 4 ай бұрын
Neat!
@shuffleB
@shuffleB 4 ай бұрын
Dude, this is cool. I thought it was a pocket watch for a blind person, sounds ever 30mins or so. But what it actually is, is kinda cooler.
@6258RB
@6258RB 4 ай бұрын
cool
@matthewreynolds2384
@matthewreynolds2384 4 ай бұрын
Wow it works!!!
@Jagdtyger2A
@Jagdtyger2A 4 ай бұрын
Cool tool
@hamesh3474
@hamesh3474 4 ай бұрын
Awesome 😊...the mroto startac of the 1900s
@kraig800i
@kraig800i 4 ай бұрын
I was thinking this was a way to test the line when you mentioned what it was, but do you think it could have been used as a pocket listening device to bug a telegraph line with little to no fuss???
@KCOWMOO
@KCOWMOO 4 ай бұрын
The first pocket phone.
@davidrobertson5700
@davidrobertson5700 5 ай бұрын
Seems like it could be used to eavesdrop when connected in parallel to the comms circuit........
@JRF777
@JRF777 4 ай бұрын
wow...interesting device, with a lot of style, thanks for showing it, it's strange that you are referring to something "presumably used", like a forgotten technology, this is very fantastic and intriguing, it sounds to me like those rockets that reached the moon or The speakers that JBL produced in the seventies that could not be surpassed, and their knowledge has been lost and it is now impossible or very difficult to build them, it really seems to me like an oopart that comes from a parallel reality that was forgotten by an interdimensional traveler, or uses an esoteric and ancient science such as the myth of tartaria. Presumably it can be an intercom that uses static aether luminirefos as the great master maxwel taught us
@niftymoth723
@niftymoth723 5 ай бұрын
I always wanted kermit the frog to ta explain antique watches. This is definitely going on the sleep playlist
@RVSparky
@RVSparky 5 ай бұрын
Well Id be honored! Ha ha.
@LA6NPA
@LA6NPA 4 ай бұрын
Maybe for display, you ought to turn the coils around if you can? Maybe turn the whole mechanism? As the coils are obviously bleached on the glass side. Or maybe just use a green marker and freshen up the green? You can get very high end water color markers (not the acrylic ones) that was the standard for drawing ads with back in the day, and they come in all sorts of colors. Maybe try to colormatch? Make sure you don't get a paint marker. The thread around the magnet wire will soak up the color with just normal water based ones. That slightly pale bluish green is really nice with the silver!
@GothGuy885
@GothGuy885 4 ай бұрын
I wonder if the basis of a relay, was from the electro- mechanics of a telegraph sounder?
@abraxasjinx5207
@abraxasjinx5207 4 ай бұрын
How was this used?! Did every user plug in to a hot/cold electric source?
@jvebarnes
@jvebarnes 4 ай бұрын
I can imagine these would have been used by Texas Rangers, Marshalls, Railway Men, and others for more than testing. To send messages on the line so that people in the local telegraph office wouldn't know a message was being sent or received.
@badreality2
@badreality2 5 ай бұрын
Isn't telegraph wire operated @ 1.8 - 3.3 V? Isn't 4 V still too high?
@mikeadler434
@mikeadler434 5 ай бұрын
👍👍
@Jack_Wolfe
@Jack_Wolfe 4 ай бұрын
3:30 it jamming because they used to oil springs, likely the oil has coagulated. But it also might have some form of insulation between the two shafts that’s rotted
@SnareX
@SnareX 5 ай бұрын
Nerdrage?
@SafarNamabyMuhammadFarooq
@SafarNamabyMuhammadFarooq 4 ай бұрын
Wow! it is antique! like telegraphic sound device but question is that how they decode ??? interesting.
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