Driscoll's paranoia is an abundantly clear sign of his condition. Proverbs 28:1 states "The wicked flee though no one pursues, but the righteous are as bold as a lion."

Favoring church members who donate the most money is another bad sign. Incredible.

"We cant tell you who to be freinds with, we just set up a system of merit and and demerit that makes it perfectly clear who we DONT WANT you to be freinds with." Such manipulative abuse of authority.

A big red flag with any church is when the Pastor is an "untouchable" and when there are levels of access to them. Every person in the church should have access to their pastor. Wow, and the way he sees people and wives/women, yikes! "Can't get their wives under _control?!?!"_ That's a huge red flag 😢

This was a great episode. I’m glad I found your podcast. When Trinity church stated in Scottsdale about 8 years ago, I considered attending but first did some research on the pastor. From what I read by multiple sources, Mark Driscoll did not fulfill the requirements of a pastor for a church that I wanted to attend. I drive by that church sometimes and on Sundays it seems very busy so, about a year ago, I thought let me check into it again because maybe that pastor is no longer there. I did some research and again, I concluded that he was still pastor and no, I would not like to be a part of it nor even visit. My son text me last night and said he was attending church this morning and would I like to go. I heard back from him today and he sent me a link for the online sermon. I watched a little bit but was sad to see his mockery of others. I text my son back that even a broken clock is right 2 times a day. How sad that God’s word is not being taught correctly. It caused me to do a deeper dive to see what’s really going on there and sadly, none of what I have found is that kind of church is not building up the Kingdom of God and it is not loving and shepherding others in the way that it should. Thank you for these interviews and shedding light on what is really happening at this “church.” God bless Chad and Ben for coming forward and sharing their experiences. People need to know the truth.

I’d rather give my money to some poor family than a church at this point. Mark Drisoll’s salary was 650,000 at Mars Hill.

Julie, you do your job so well :)

Christianity Today podcast has done a multi part in-depth series on this “church” and Mark Driscoll. I highly recommend.

Excellent work Julie. Thank you.🇦🇺

Thank you Julie & gents!

I attended Mars Hill from 2006-2008. At some point, Mark snapped. He now associates with pastors he once called out for heresy. I remember him talking about demons and being woken from sleep and feeling the presence of a demon, crushing his chest and choking him. Seems the demon won the battle.

Character flaws of a cult leader - no humility or kindness, projection and deflection. No ability to admit that they are wrong. Never goes on other peoples platforms for fear of being exposed. If they do, they try to turn into the interviewer. This is a sign of cowardness, weakness and insecurity. They project these charácter flaws onto other people to deflect attention from them.

Absolutely sickening. I have had the unfortunate experience of losing family to this man and his teachings. I pray with all my heart that God hears our prayers and takes his power and voice away.

I can only imagine how Driscoll "gets his wife under control". *Shudder*

Some of the social manipulation described here, sounds like what is used in Scientology. Very controlling. I wonder exactly what their criteria was for terming someone as toxic.

Thank you Julie for doing this important work.

The number one indicator of savage wolves: hierarchy In Acts 20, the Holy Spirit uses Paul to indicate that every church generation will face savage wolves. Paul leaves the blue-print for safeguardiing against the wolves. Unfortunately, Paul's example of sufferings and sacrifice in the Gospel has been pushed to the perimeter of the preaching as churches seek to accumulate paying clientelle. Strangely enough, Paul tells the Ephesian elders that AFTER he leaves savage wolves will come in. What else is the Spirit saying? When Paul's sufferings leave the preaching platform, the savage wolves have free reign. CHURCH, ARE YOU HEARING WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING? PREACH PAUL'S SUFFERINGS WITH REGULARITY, CLARITY AND EMPHASIS AND SAFEGUARD THE CHURCH FROM THE WOLVES. PAUL'S SUFFERINGS AS CAPTURED IN SCRIPTURE SHOW US THE AFFLICTIONS OF CHRIST, THE TRUE SAFEGUARD OF THE CHURCH.

Wow, it is hard to believe that people would stay under these types of pastors.

Thank you to all parties involved in this podcast. I think those of us who love God and Jesus need to be on our knees praying for Jo’s church and for the brave souls who are speaking out against the corruption within some churches and for you Julie who are uncovering so much darkness and depravity by some leading the church. May God be glorified!!

Eye opening once again. Great work Julie. I first found your work when I was looking into skeletons regarding John Macarthur. Excellent work.

I am so glad I discovered Julie. Learning truth.

So crazy- I could not stand to be controlled like that with people telling me who I can be friends with. It amazes me people put up with this.

Mark Driscoll sounds a lot like David Miscavige, and the church of Scientology

Yikes! That “reaching out to Robert Morris” hasn’t ages well. I think Morris was one of the “overseers” of Mark’s Scottsdale church.

Mark does DARVO all the time when responding to people trying to hold him accountable: Deny, Attack, Reverse the roles of, Victim, Offender.

@43:00 our pastor adopted Mars Hill as his pattern for refurbishing our church in the mid-2000s, to include having anyone who didn't fit the image of young, hip, malleable, gullible to just get out of the way. Current, faithful members were asked to park off campus and walk because young people would be "put off" if they saw old people in the parking lot. Innovative part time pastors who had brought in entire unchurched groups were let go so his son could take those groups and be seen as the next leader. It was ...bizarre. Driscoll has so much to answer for, even far beyond his church walls.

I dont understand why people would stay in ANY church with SO much leadership controversy??? There are many great churches out there that speak the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ!

Team Jesus! Amen

These people like Driscoll, MacArthur, Osteen, Warren, Phil Johnson are so corrupt, there all untouchable and unaccountable. What I know of the scriptures, I have to believe God is very displeased, maybe angry. I know He's angry at my sin.

Ew His mentors are just as creepy.

Using surveillance on church members and digging up information on people, is really intrusive and dangerous. Driscoll in his description of blessed subtraction is chilling. He speaks in this metaphor of dead bodies of people who refused to be "on mission" with him. Using the bus as a "prop?"

Listen to this I'm wondering what number they would give Christ.

I had a past acquaintance who was involved in ministry at Mars hill. Some of the things discussed here mirror the things he told me about Mars hill. Especially the whole "manage the household" stuff. Truly disturbing.

0:10 good description of any church or religious organisation.

"If you choose to be friends with people that are not safe, you cannot have a leadership position." Ok see ya then! Because some of those "unsaved" people are kinder, classier, more generous, and have attitudes more Christlike than some of these pastors and so-called Christians. I am so sick of it! I am glad I am not married!

Go ye into all the world and…build mega churches?

19:01 no financials reported, Driscolls salary not mentioned bc the church doesn't have "members" 20:20 "I have multiple llcs and non profits setup so I can shift money around wherever I want" 30:25 eph5:22 wives submitting to husbands is misogyny according to Roy's seemingly. This guy doesn't see why his wife should submit -So far no major issues 36:01 still nothing much here. Guy seems to be responding over emotionally. At least no clear overt crime or abuse here. This guy got his feelings hurt but no crime/abuse 48:20 still hasn't mentioned much but the guy "hopes for the best" 52:01 big donors get treated the best 53:10 "they're afraid to talk to us"; prob not

Man, that “spectrum of trust” stuff is pure cultish behavior, combined with paranoia. Thanks for this podcast, I just discovered the CT series on Mars Hill and KZfaq recommended yours. I discovered Reformed theology around 2005 and used to listen to some of Driscoll’s stuff. While a lot was helpful, I always got that “bro” vibe from him.

Creepy 😮😢

Trinity Church parking lot is so full during holidays, you can’t even find parking

‘Where ever you go there you are’ you are gonna get Driscoll the man no matter where he goes or what he does.

Is anybody asking if Mark Driscoll”s wife is going through abuse or is she in on this with Mark.

So eye opening. I feel nonprofits should have to have open financials.A d prove their nonprofit status.

🤔 hmmm. Regarding transparency-I wondered why so many different titles for the social media platforms. And all refer to the pastor not the church.

Driscoll seems like an insecure, narcissistic control freak 🥴

Steven Crowder had Mark Driscoll on his KZfaq and boy was Mark smooth. But I was waiting for Mark to chastise Steven for smoking a cigar. That never happened. Not that I was surprised.

Cults are those that depart from the doctrine of the Trinity. So technically Driscoll's church and ministry is not a cult. But yes MAFIA is what it sounds like. Thanks guys for the conversation!

McArthur has a rich cult...

Isn't Ashley Chase 15:40 formerly Ashley Driscoll his older daughter that just got married?

-But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. (Gal 6) -For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal? (1 Cor 3) (of course I'm not carnal, I am of Driscoll) -I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ (Col 1) -But there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the Gospel of Christ (Gal 1) -That I might know HIm and the fellowship of His sufferings (Phil 3) (using millions of $$'s other peoples money to put a beat-down in court, the new fellowship of His sufferings) -Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? (1 Cor 6) -Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! (1 Cor 6)

Mark Driscoll sounds like the father from Meet the Parents. The circle of trust 🤣🤣. But I think I trust the father from Meet the Parents more.

The wicked run when no one is pursuing. MD is running paranoid. Lord God Almighty. Bring him to repentance before it’s too late.

Too bad , I have learned much from him but I will be more cautious because some of these allegations are disturbing.I hope he faces up and rectifies these issues with transparency and repentance. It would be a shame if personality ,impulsive decisions and character deficits ruin the good he can do for the Kingdom.🙏

I've heard this story repeated so many times. These cutists don't have much of imagination, nor much control over their own delusional behavior.

He is a wolf I listened to him after the fall to see if there was a repentant change More misogyny He is the type man that estimates his manhood based on how well he dominates women

My question is WHY does God continue to allow this man to thrive in ministry???

How do we get it so very wrong. God has plain scripture to keep us on the straight n narrow.

I personally know Pastor Jimmy Evans. he has a good reason to block you from his social media. It’s because he didn’t want to hear about Mark Driscoll scandal. That’s why he didn’t want to hear that from you

Macdonald and Driscoll, like Hybels and Belizikian, and Epstein and Trump (and Clinton, but Trump specifically admired and emulated Epstein).