Podcast: John Barnard | Engineering the Greats

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Motor Sport

Motor Sport

4 жыл бұрын

John Barnard pioneered the technologies that underpin the modern Formula 1 car, and was the first to introduce a carbon fibre chassis at McLaren where he won titles with Niki Lauda and Alain Prost.
The designer was headhunted by Ferrari and stayed for more than a decade where he developed the semi-automatic gearbox that secured an F1 victory the first time that it was raced.
In this podcast, Barnard talks about his career, working with the top drivers of the era, as well as larger-than-life team bosses, including Enzo Ferrari, Ron Dennis and Flavio Briatore.

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@Fran_SG
@Fran_SG Жыл бұрын
Amazing interview. This man wrote part of the modern F1 history. Thanks!!
@marino8034
@marino8034 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic episode. John Barnard is an absolute legend, responsible for some of the the biggest innovations in F1 and also for some of the most beautiful cars ever (639 and early 89 season, low engine cowl 640). A huge inspiration to me when I was a young kid. Thanks, John.
@arthurhyde8428
@arthurhyde8428 3 жыл бұрын
As an engineer, I love these discussions with classic motorsports engineers
@giulioflori9144
@giulioflori9144 2 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Italy! Old Ferrari's fan here.. Very nice to hear John Barnard voice first hand. I think 639 and 640 were the most beautiful F1 cars ever and would have deserved the WC. The marriage between Ferrari and Barnard was weird though. He was of course the top rated engineer of the 80's era but Ferrari was not supposed to be splitted between Italy and UK like it was at the time. A bit of british arrogance here and there but knowing Benetton's story I found the John Barnard's feedbacks about them completely believable. Also Marco Piccinini was not a fair subject according to many feedbacks (sounds like he kind of used to play with people dignity). Also I always found disappointing the reduction of Enzo Ferrari to a mere politician but of course I think you tend to become politician with the long experience of power management and also the old age. Respect!
@jgagnier
@jgagnier 4 жыл бұрын
"The best feedback came from Alain Prost, there's a reason we call him the Professor. The other end of the spectrum was Jean Alesi, who had to have his inferior technology. But then again he's French." Prost : "And where am I from, Antarctica?" (Seriously, though, I have barely any engineering knowledge or interest, yet I devour this series. Kudos to Motor Sport!)
@katout75
@katout75 4 жыл бұрын
Head, Dernie, Newey, Barnard, Murray nest? Absolutely brilliant interviews and highly insightful!!
@jonelson1983
@jonelson1983 3 жыл бұрын
This whole series of interviews has been a joy. Great questions, and great stories coming back. Brilliant.
@Apexjuha
@Apexjuha 4 жыл бұрын
Mauro Forghieri, Derek Gardner and John Barnard are my top heros and got me into aeronautical engineering.
@davidellis2021
@davidellis2021 4 жыл бұрын
Good series this. All my design hero's from the 80's.
@CurtOntheRadio
@CurtOntheRadio 2 ай бұрын
Excellent interview, thanks. You let the guest speak, always good in an interview. But rare.
@abuhamza1970
@abuhamza1970 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic interview with a fantastic bloke. Long live the garagiste!
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 4 жыл бұрын
A+ interview all around. Love it thanks MS! MC is very good, just gently starts a topic and lets John Barnard talk comfortably at length, superb method of presentation.
@andreataglietti7515
@andreataglietti7515 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Mr. Barnard to have designed one of the most beautiful and innovative F1 car, the Ferrari 640..❤
@leoluo6955
@leoluo6955 2 жыл бұрын
John Barnard… seems like whenever he went they kicked him out! My clear memory… fighting with other Ferrari guys from England and never won a championship, just critics after critics from the press. Lots of innovations that the guys coming after could make work
@Harley-ir4er
@Harley-ir4er 4 жыл бұрын
I still think the Ferrari 641 has got to be thee most beautiful F1 car ever.
@gr0wler147
@gr0wler147 4 жыл бұрын
On the money
@geraldswain3259
@geraldswain3259 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry ,I think that has already been taken by the little Lotus 25 from the 60s ,never been bettered .
@fam.hunger5244
@fam.hunger5244 4 жыл бұрын
John is a great engineer. Game changing for F1. Unfortunately his ego always was his biggest problem. And still is unfortunately. Thats probably the reason why he seeks credit where other engineers deserve to get credit for. So he seeks credit for the Benetton Championship cars, who were designed by Rory and which were built 3-4 years after he designed a Benetton car and were totally different cars actually with not much left of Barnards B191. The sucessfull family of the F200x and even the F300 and F399 - they had not much in common with the Barnard designed F310's, whichs B-version needed to be extremly modified to be sucessfull(balance, aero and even the fuel-system and the monocoque got changed). These were completely different cars. Barnard was a great engineer who changed F1 indeed, but its a shame that he downplays the talent, great work and also innovations by other engineers like Rory Byrne, Ross Brawn, Adrian Newey etc., by saying in his book that he was innovative and these designers were not. One-Piece Wishbone, the Titan-Alloy Gearbox, Metal-Matrix Uprights, first ECU in a F1 car, First Double Rear Wing, new generation of Dampers, Hot-Blown-Diffusor, Coanda-exhaust, Zero-Keel, Double-Diffusor, were just a few of the innovations of Brawn/Byrne and Newey. That proves how horribly wrong his statement is. John is a great designer who did an amazing job, and he changed F1 forever. But there were other engineers like Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne, Adrian Newey who were as brilliant and innovative and game changing(just think of how Brawn and Byrne raised the bar of how a F1 team operates and is organised at Ferrari and how they implemented industrial standards in the construction, quality and design of a F1 car). And its pretty sad to see that Barnard still has the ego problem today and is not able to admit that, but is indeed downplaying their achivements and their great work. A great engineer like Barnard should not need and do that. Totally agree with John about DRS. DRS is bs! Like John said that has nothing to do with overtaking or a fight. Its flying by. DRS is the worst enemy of close fights. F1 needs to get rid of system.
@arealassassin
@arealassassin 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this insight.
@millerchassis6119
@millerchassis6119 4 жыл бұрын
Wow you sure know your F1 stuff
@TOMLINBISH
@TOMLINBISH 3 жыл бұрын
DRS was brought in only because F1 hadn't sorted the aero rules to enable overtaking without it!
@fam.hunger5244
@fam.hunger5244 3 жыл бұрын
@@TOMLINBISH so before DRS there was no overtaking? There was. But it was not easy to overtake. DRS was introduced because the dirty air behind a car made wakesurfing less possible and the car behind lost a lot of its downforce(downforce problem was not changed by DRS at all)But that does not change the fact that it does more harm than good. Overtaking today is a joke. The driver behind gets a 20-30km/h advantage and flies by. That totally destroys and reduces real close battles. Its not an art to overtake anymore, to prepare an overtaking manoeuvre. And really good battles are rarely seen. And these fly bys are as boring as they are completely non exciting. Anyway - it does not matter why DRS was introduced, thats not the point. The point is that it destroys real racing and real battles.
@theant9821
@theant9821 Жыл бұрын
Hit the nail on the head with regulations stifling innovation. I couldn't care less about modern f1. They're built to a spec. Put a turbo era grand prix car in front of me I'm excited again. They were all different. There's no room for a 21st century Colin Chapman, we need someone like that bringing revolutions.
@hamzaesat4085
@hamzaesat4085 3 жыл бұрын
Classic F1 takes up all my free time
@andreakaze5446
@andreakaze5446 2 жыл бұрын
Semi-automatic gearbox was developed in Ferrari prior Barnard joining the Scuderia. Electro-hydraulic gear shift system was built on 1979 and tested, Shechter and Villeneuve, in Fiorano on Ferrari 312 T3 to evaluate its use on the new T4 model. Gear shift driver input was by means of two push buttons on the steering wheel. Villeneuve was hot happy to abandon the gear lever, project was dismissed.
@mark4lev
@mark4lev 27 күн бұрын
Williams had a system in the mid 80’s. But you have to wait for the tech to catch up
@SLO722
@SLO722 3 жыл бұрын
Would have been great to hear John talk about his experience at Arrows and the A19 car. Thanks for this great interview.
@sashas8168
@sashas8168 3 жыл бұрын
Absolute legend John Barnard.
@pagotogarage
@pagotogarage 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for share these kind of content! Nice to know more about John Barnard stories!
@DYNASPORTS66
@DYNASPORTS66 2 жыл бұрын
jOHN BARNARD is an Absolute LEGEND !
@Denilson24
@Denilson24 4 жыл бұрын
His last car the Arrows A19 was a beauty. The sculpted sidepods were sexy, plus the teams black livery top it off. Too bad the engines were shite, but the aero was decent as they got 4th and 6th in Monaco 1998.
@VinsUplifting
@VinsUplifting 3 жыл бұрын
Give that car the Mugen-Honda or the Mecachrome and it would have made podiums...
@ryukenhondaraiden252
@ryukenhondaraiden252 2 жыл бұрын
They tried to built there own engine which was pretty stupid.
@fam.hunger5244
@fam.hunger5244 5 ай бұрын
You are aware of the fact that Monaco is the F1 track where aero actually means the least? I am sorry to say that, but JBs car were aerodynamically inefficent. JB did only have pretty basic knowledge about aerodynamics. Thats the reason why his sucess faded when aero became ever more important. And his cars after 1990 (when aero became more important than ever and Windtunnel testing common a daily practice) were known for being weak aerodynamically.
@Janette1723
@Janette1723 Жыл бұрын
Superb whilst its a couple of years old now John Barnard is Like Head and Newey a true legendary Engineer and comes across as very genuine. I really agree with his comments at that time which are still relevant over DRS and Technical innovation which are really words that do not fit within the current version F1. My guess is that like many of us he wants to see cars designed as a means of proper challenge and advancement not a fixed do this do that to this design which we now have. Makes for tedious racing and Commentary.
@davidruddick3346
@davidruddick3346 9 ай бұрын
Fascinating!
@bryansaull7554
@bryansaull7554 4 жыл бұрын
I almost bought a DB2/4 that had a Chevrolet in it wonder if it was the same one.
@archibaldchimpin
@archibaldchimpin 4 жыл бұрын
Great series, I know who you are John.
@zak_7354
@zak_7354 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, very interesting.
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 4 жыл бұрын
Christ, after listening to that, get Barnard as the chief of F1. Certainly knows what's bullshit about modern F1 and definitely sparks an interest in what the sport could look like if he was given full control.
@SachiGortchi
@SachiGortchi Жыл бұрын
all right, Mr Banard !
@drewsteroriginals4564
@drewsteroriginals4564 3 жыл бұрын
Discovered this channel yesterday despite being a magazine subscriber - I have some catching up to do!
@tensevo
@tensevo 4 жыл бұрын
It would be great to see some drawings and images to go along with this.
3 жыл бұрын
You should invite to this program a fantastic engineer who use to work for Ferrari and Williams between others, The great Enrique Scalabroni
@gr0wler147
@gr0wler147 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful interview. Always wanted to understand why the Ferrari wasn’t reliable and really well explained by John. I believe John also had some impact on the F40 too. Such a great era at Ferrari
@fam.hunger5244
@fam.hunger5244 3 жыл бұрын
There are many reasons why Johns cars in general were not reliable. And also why his Ferraris were not, too. Even more reasons than why most of his cars were not reliable. First there was the problem of Guilford/Maranello. John designed the cars and built most of the parts in Guilford. The car was put together in Maranello. This alone leaves room for a lot of problems, as you surely can imagine, especially since Guilford and Maranello used different software for design and manufacturing. That John did not trust the engineers at Maranello and only talked to them when he needed to(to exaggerate a little bit)was another reason. Next reason was that the engineers in Maranello did not really like John, too. If the relationship is that bad, people do not talk a lot. And in such a technical environment like F1, of course reliability suffers.. Also John always started from scratch. So almost every important piece of the car was always completely new every year.Also the concept of the car was totally new every year. Another thing which favors reliability issues.Also Ferrari(Guildford and Maranello)did not have a good quality control system yet. Mario Almondo started to implement an industrial type quality control system in 1996, but it was not untill Ross Brawn arrived from Benetton, who added a more specified system that united industry type Quality control fitting for F1. Ross introduced a system were problems with the car(every single problem)got a code(A, B, C, D). A-Problems had to be solved untill the next race for example(very simplified way to explain it, but it would take too long to explain it in detail).Also Ross brought a methodical approach to Ferrari and this and the quality control system of Mario Almondo united with Ross priority system, improved reliability extremely.
@gr0wler147
@gr0wler147 3 жыл бұрын
@@fam.hunger5244 thanks for the deep insight. So much more might have been achieved if he had been in Italy... on a positive, Ferrari nearly won the championship (can’t remember the exact year) with his car if Senna hadn’t of run Prost off the track. I guess the risk of new innovation nearly paid off, and he lead f1 cars into a whole new era. Brilliant engineer
@garydrew9970
@garydrew9970 21 күн бұрын
I'm late to these superb podcast interviews, but i don't see any intro info on who the two interviewers are: no criticism, just Names & Background pls!
@ivanjulian2532
@ivanjulian2532 4 жыл бұрын
I like John Barnard's legacy in the sport. But I can't lie.... his explanation about what went wrong at Benetton didn't quite add up. The way he brushed off Rory Byrne and his explanation of how things went pear shaped at a contractual level? It seemed like there was a bit of lying going on.
@fam.hunger5244
@fam.hunger5244 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. The thing about JB is, and that comes from an aerodynamicist of F1, that JB was totally weak on aero and electronics. His decline as an engineer in the 90's, exactly when aero became most important is not a coincident and proves that statement. Also there is a story of another aerodynamicist who was insulted as black magican by JB. Rory surely did not need JBs help regarding aero as Rory was so much better than JB in that regard. Another fact is that the B191, designed by JB had a pretty poor weight distribution, stated by Michael Schumacher, who said that the B192, built by Rory was so much better in that regard. And finally the F310B, from which Ross Brawn said he has no idea how JB came to things like weight distribution, fuel system, geometry...and that the F310B got so much better after Ross and Rory made their changes on this car, says everything. Another thing about JB is his ego - he says in his book that he is responsible for Benettons titles and Ferraris titles during the Schumacher era. Thats completely ridiculous, as the technical changes in 93 and 94 required totally different cars, so JBs B191 was a totally different car. Also his last Ferrari from 97...in 98 came the grooved tyres and the reduction from 2m to 1,8 m width. This again required totally different weight distribution, totally different suspension geometry and a totally different aero. So the cars were completely different. JB was a great mechanical engineer, without a doubt. But that was not enough in the 90's. But as his arrogance and ego stopped him from inproving. So engineers like Byrne, Newey, Brawn who never thought of themselves of being the best, improved much more than JB and become much better engineers than JB, whos approach stayed the same as it was in the 70's and 80's. Rory was great mechanically AND in aero and thinking of the car as one. And his concepts were so much better than JBs because of that. In his book JB talks much about aero. But he never gave aero so much attention like Newey or Byrne. And in the 90's this was a well known fact that he does not. Today everyone knows that aero is and was king, so JB needs to make people believe he worked hard on that side, what he did not, because he was not good at that and wrongfully thought other things are more important. He does not tell the truth about a lot of things. He wants to take credit for things others deserve credit for, or he wants to take away things from others who really deserve the credit for these sucesses. Its a shame to be honest. A great engineer like him does not need this. But his ego was and still is his biggest problem.
@Joescuderia
@Joescuderia 4 жыл бұрын
Hey guys Barnes and Noble stopped shipping your magazine into the States, when shipment it's gonna be restore?
@tulrob
@tulrob 3 жыл бұрын
Could your show have Dave Bruns the Swift racing designer from the U.S?
@millerchassis6119
@millerchassis6119 4 жыл бұрын
Where can you get more info on the Flexures instead of ball joints?
@fam.hunger5244
@fam.hunger5244 3 жыл бұрын
Giorgio Piolas series "Technical Analysis" is always a good source(started in 95). Unfortunately the season 1995, where the flexures are explained, is only available in Italian. But Johns biography describes the invention of the flexures in detail and also some technical things about them.
@samuelezanuso981
@samuelezanuso981 Жыл бұрын
i see you have made a lot of friends in italy ;)
@walkermorgan1710
@walkermorgan1710 2 жыл бұрын
I don't mind DRS but I like the other stuff he talks about with the car.
@GB-vn1tf
@GB-vn1tf 3 жыл бұрын
He's so right about DRS and too much regulation leaving innovation dead. F1 is becoming cloned cars racing as the pink Mercedes shows us all. Without innovation the team with most money will win until a regulation change comes, then the next taem will dominate until the next change. Is that really what F1 is? I say no, but that's what we have now.
@user-te6jv6pw9q
@user-te6jv6pw9q 3 жыл бұрын
I hate DRS and John Barnard speaks my mind.
@doloresdeojos9194
@doloresdeojos9194 4 жыл бұрын
Ferrari should call Mr Barnard again...to save the red disaster !!
@fam.hunger5244
@fam.hunger5244 3 жыл бұрын
I do not think he could help Ferrari in any way. He could not as he was much younger and F1 was his "playground", so how should he now? One reason why Ferrari looked for people like Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne was because John Barnards cars were, from an aerodynamical point of view, not very competitive. Just look at the improvement Ferrari was able to achieve with Ross and Rory as technical leaders...the reasons are simple. JB was a great mechanical engineer, but according to some F1 aerodynamicists(and drivers like Gerhard Berger), did not understand aerodynamics. The poor aero performances of his Ferrari F1 cars show how right they are. Just look at the F310. The aero was one of the worst of a F1 car ever. And the F310 B was not much better in that regard. Its also pretty obvious that Johns decline as a designer started when aero become more and more important and people like Adrian Newey and Rory Byrne gave aero top priority in the design and concept of a F1 Car. With aero being that important F1 cars changed completely from weight distribution to geometry. Another weakness of JB is electronics. So in an era, when aero is king and electronics are even more important than in the 90's(when he built his last car)- he should save Ferrari? I hardly doubt that he could. Another thing is - Barnard was a dictator(some said also "Diva") and his ego always was his biggest problem. Its only Barnards way or no way. And in a F1 Team of today that does not work at all. John was a great engineer. The best in the 80's. But with aero and electronics becoming the most important components of a F1 car , Johns time was over, as he is mainly a mechanical engineer. As i said his ego was his biggest problem as John always thought he knows better. Because of that he was not able to learn from other great engineers, especially in his weak spots(aero, electronics), while others did and got much better than him.
@doloresdeojos9194
@doloresdeojos9194 3 жыл бұрын
@@fam.hunger5244 Pas d´accord...
@peppemberton9948
@peppemberton9948 2 жыл бұрын
What's with the ridiculous hand held Mike's...?
@66PHILB
@66PHILB Жыл бұрын
Why hasn't John Barnard received a knighthood?
@QOTSAPT
@QOTSAPT 10 ай бұрын
Some guys get no credit, some too much.
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