i love the trial master: "ahhh the two times loser is here" "are you here to lose another round?" --- he always makes me feel welcome.

BIG ups and big downs. I did not like this strat, but i seemed to be in line with the others (without the big card drop ofc). It just feels weird / wrong that you're killing hundreds of monsters and they don't drop loot. Oh well, next up is Expedition! Thanks for watching!

the fact that you need a stronk character and a fail means all of the rewards go poof is troubling

1. Quant scales stack sizes according to some reddit posts and FuzzyDuckzy video 2. Getting upper cluster on the atlas tree for boss spawn rate is useless IMO because the proc rate is still extremely low and its not worth it. Because drop prices are pretty low cus scarab for 100% boss spawn is a thing 3. You absolutely cant run inscribed ultimatums if you dying on the normal encounter without 50% less damage keystone. Especially inscribed ultimatums with cirles ones 4. You cant sell inscribed ultimatums because there is no a normal way to sell them (im playing HC and not sure about that on SC. I guess you can but some GG ones) 5. If you have GIGA DPS and you dying with 50% less damage keystone you can get the 50% more life/25 less damage keystone in atlas. There is no way you will die with this combo if you have atleast 4k life 6. You need to actually clear encounter properly and not running in circle shooting only in front of you to survive on proj build without nimis. Shooting at monsters is mandatory but will hurt your wrist. So AOE build is a perfect choice for this type of strategy 7. I saw SC AFK builds for ultimatum strategy on YT, you can check that

Nice video I feel your pain. I had similar experiences. Takes a while to do, most loot is junk, but you do get big drops every now and again. Personally I think it is too hard for the overall rewards

you get me cracking every time with the "one divine oh my god x is so good" you somehow say it with a good mix of sarcasm and serious.

>gets killed >refuses to drop dead Empy is a gigachad

Without 'Prove yourself worthy' it's not really worth it. The 25% chance of doubling rewards is mandatory to get any good results from ultimatum. Typical softcore glass cannon builds are not good for it so it wouldn't be ideal strat to start with on most builds, but with proper defensive layers it can be quite profitable, also Headhunter is op for it so if you want to focus on ultimatum i highly recommend investing into it (its dirt cheap nowadays).

There is actually a viable strat you can run to make insane currency doing Ultimatum - the idea is to use scarabs to make all of the rewards change to Inscribed Ultimatum. Run T16 white maps without any mods - beat the ultimatum as fast as possible and check your inscribed rewards for divines. If you don't have any, sell 5 to a vendor to reroll it and check again. Saw someone explain his strat to Ziz and he had made 300+ div profit

It's gamble too but he drops a lot of rare with double corrupted implicits. On good bases, you can potentially make huge unique with a mythic orb

is crit leap slam totems ward stacker bleed convert any good for this strat?

unfortunately scour & go isn't the best way to run Ultimatum anymore, i've made at least 15 div/h by blasting through maps fast with Scarab of Catalysing, Inscription and 2x Bribing with 8 mod maps pushing for as much map quant as possible. As far as i've been able to tell, map quant scales catalysts, and stack size of catalysts scales the rarity of your Inscribeds (this part i'm not 100% sure on, the quant scaling catalysts I am). So pushing map modifier effect on 8 mod maps and doing max maps per/h is insane loot. My best loot so far has been a doubled Inscribed for 5x The Immortal which sold for 36 divines each a few days ago. 8x Divine, 4x Divine, and 1x Divine are very common inscribeds with this strat. Highly recommend you run it back this way!

My 2nd atlas strat was inscibed ulti farming when I had a strong enough char, it combined with the trialmaster fight drops made me like a 100+ divs before I switched to simulacrum farming.I would say its pretty decent but you need a pretty strong char for it and enough money to buy the expensive scarabs (trialmaster and the catalysing scarab). With those you get 2-4-8 div inscibed ultis pretty regularly like every 2-4 maps

I dunno man either you go for the catalyst setup to actually hit big since chance to dupe often hits. Or go horned awakening for added rounds, since more rounds are greater rewards.

last league when I was doing those ultimatum challanges, got 2x House of Mirrors from that and that was without dupe rewards :D

Got so much GYMO out of this.

Honestly maybe with the scarab of catalysing, I wanna do that only for the novelty of seeing a ton of different inscribed ultimatums, pure gamba of polar extreme of either cash or crash.

Tainted catalysts alone pay for scarabs, was doing ultimatum 2 weeks ago. You want to roll maps because quant increases catalysts. Boss nodes on atlas tree are worth it for full stack of catalysts in the end. Scarab for all catalysts is not worth it. If you have low dps just go for survive+stone circles, with their increased radius u just run in circles and win. Use 2 scarabs for increased round count and 1 for guaranteed boss. I corrupted multiple helmets from boss into 5+ divine uniques, got few shields and 190% crit quality very good rolled ring which I sold for 2d. No hateforge tho

These videos are awesome Empy. Thanks for doing them. I've been running Barrels since your first video, and have been having a ton of fun not worrying about having to interact with different league mechanics. Just kill and watch the scarabs go up in my frag tab.

I've been running ultimatum for like a week and it's very fun to run with a headhunter and the nemesis scarab for extra mods to grab from the rares. With soul eater I end up standing and holding right click living off the 10% instaleech mastery. Ofc I haven't gotten an apothecary. Also never seen the boss maybe because I skip the 7 chisel final round.

Our guild has a guy who picked up about 5000 divs from inscribed ultimatum though

seems kinda weird to run them without the catalyst scarab, had the same thought about breach, not sure if u are gonna do the juiced scarab runs later? i dont think there's much point doing breaches without either +rares scarab or chayula scarab if you want good div/per . i think its the same here, i'd probably run catalysts instead of inscribeds or maybe both and see how it goes.

I got some nice stuff from ult last league but mega rippy. I firmly believe u should be able to choose between 3 items to go for per round than 1

I literally started doing ulti for some catas on a HH char, got an inscribed ultimatum for mageblood in first 20 maps lol

9:20 is this are Captain of Industry soundtrack?

Will you be doing high investment ultimatum later?

Last league I did the ultimatum challenge with a tanky, but bad at clear, build. Problably is the way to do the mechanic. Well, at least the survive and circle challenges.

Is there a POB link for this build somewhere?

I'm really interested in using catalyst scarab and the inscribed ultimatum scarab at the same time...

Been farming Ultimatum religiously since they added it back to the core game. Rolled Explosive Shrapnel Trickster and DD Elementalist this league and last league respectively just to farm these with ease. Ultimatum is a lot like Ritual in regards of going for jackpot items via good corruptions or cards. Catalysts are great money if you sell in bulk. Harvest swapping is something you can do for more profit but you are at the mercy of RNG. It's still sad that Ultimatum monsters don't drop loot like they used to back during Ultimatum League. Personally, love it and will probably always have a tree for Ultimatum + Beyond from now on.

the only bad thing about ultimatum is that there's some expensive scarabs so it wouldn't be optimal to block the mechanic (and thus the scarab drops) but hopefully this vid helps to tank the prices so I can banish this stupid thing out of Wraeclast

I got my first mirror this league running Ultimatum. Multiple 8 Div inscriptions, 2 mageblood ultimatums. Completely afk with cast on stun build.

Empys playlist always hittin me with moments of pure nostalgia for all the great OSTs on it. DOS2 flashbacks hit me hard this vid

I can recommend ultimatum for very tanky characters, you just run stone statues and survive on something like RF and just run around. If you got chieftain explode you can do kill well too.

My group of friends used to farm that, aura bot , one carry (ls strength stacking) and they used to make 20div an hour, so around 120dic/hours , without being lucky by standing in a circle as 6

Ulti is really fun if you're build can handle it. I really don't like the new scarabs, being able to target farm the boss, catalysts or inscribes makes those things devalued, so doing this strat normally sees much less loot, only getting carried by big drops. I'd much prefer to see a scarab that removes all ultimatum rewards and instead allows rare monsters in an ultimatum to drop items.

Did you count your xp/h? I saw your xp bar moving quite a lot especially with few deaths Maybe it's good when you're also leveling some gems

Hey Empy, love your strat series. Unfortunately there are some issues with the way you approached Ultimatum. First of all, the Inscribed Ultimatum scarab is bait. Catalysts are way more valuable because a) you don't have to run an additional encounter to get the actual reward and b) you don't need to hit a jackpot on the Inscribed reward. This is reflected in the prices of the Inscribed and Catalyst scarab. Next, you specced out of the Prove Yourself Worthy atlas notable to make the Ultimatums easier. But that means you also miss out on the 25% chance to duplicate rewards, so essentially you missed out on 20% of all loot. Also, you should have put as much quant on your maps as possible instead of running them scoured. Catalysts (which you'll get tons of) are known to scale with map quant. I excessively farmed Ultimatum last league on a Storm Brand Inquisitor, and from my experience Ultimatum has a steep learning curve. You need to get a good feeling for which/how many mods your character can handle, and get the risk-reward-balance right. I wouldn't expect anyone to "just run 50 Ultimatums" and have optimal outcomes. It's also very useful to deal your damage without having to stop moving (e.g. brands, totems, wardloop, etc) so you have more time to navigate around ground effects and keep monsters from hitting you with ruin. Overall I think Ultimatum is very fun if you're experienced in it and have a character tailored to it. It makes it very niche, but if you can run it near-optimal it's BIG money.

damn can't wait for quad barrel scarab strat to beat this

catalyzing is the way to go, especially in group play surprisingly enough. With giga map quant (affects catalyst count) you can walk away from a map with hundreds and hundreds of catalysts.

Can you do project duration?

I love Empyrian litterally my most favorite PoE streamer.... 100% honest, straight to the point... and simply put just smart at what he does..... Thanks again for the videos... Been love watching this based or cringe series! Been showing all my friends as well!

Last league I made some currency with Ultimatum but I was playing Elementalist EAB, so I was just avoiding getting hit while my ballistas were shooting at the monsters, pretty safe build for this farm under 20div budget :) But yeah... I will never farm this again kekw

Even though we got jackpot with this Apothecary card, people still recommend to not take anything but Currency notable (Worthy of the present). Basically, outcome could be better if not using Div&Unique ones. Saw one guy making like 15d/h, considering that he gonna run those In-ultimatums yourself? (He didn't show exactly ho much raw currency he got so i assumed) Even with his 75% multi of the value its 15d, sooo, if he just put all 100% of value that would be 20d/h - which is fair.

fun tech, switch belt to biscos leash in the first round when it pauses put back your mageblood. you keep rampage buff

You see, this is why the mechanic is OP in hardcore, you aren't allowed to die to begin with so the League mechanic isn't challenging. 5Head. (That and prismatic/fertile catalysts are like 20c each).

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2:49 they should add a scarab that gives more scarabs

Whats the music on 19:31?

Could anyone tell me the name of this build?

TIL: ultomato good unless its not

The best strat I found with ultimatum, is to just run yellow maps with ulty and super low investment. Sure you don't get the boss or any high ilvl items but you have a much higher chance of not dying and getting plenty of raw currency.

Also to note monster life value on inscribed ultimatums denotes its reward tier. So you 5-1 vendor five of the same monster life tier ultimatums to get a new one of that same tier. T0 = 200%, t1 = 120%, t2 = 70%, t3 = 30% more monster life. Examples, "Sacrifice 8 divines to double currency" is always 120% more monster life, "sacrifice a unique item to get a headhunter" is always 200% more monster life. So you would vendor 5-1, five 120% bad reward ultimatums and maybe you will get the double 8 divines ultiumatum or something equivalent in the t1 reward pool. Or vendor 5-1, five 200% life bad reward ultimatums and hope you get a gg t0 reward like headhunter.

This may be your best sarcasm showcase yet

😊 is that burnin spear song at the end of vid

Hey, do someone know if its possible to filter bad inscribed ultimatuns ?

Hear me out: You already use a few nodes for player power so what if you utilized that to also run the scarab node that makes Map bosses drop a scarab (sometimes)? For further synergy you could spec into Destructive Play to get even more scarabs and also use the Guardian Map nodes. Now you probably have to drop some nodes and IMO dropping Niko isn't the play because he is part of what made me wanna start going into destructive play (same for shrines). Scarab also feel kinda bad so for me the Ultimatum-wheels have to go. Instead ,to go with the running to the boss theme, I would spec into the bottom delirium wheel and block everything else to achieve like 90% chance for a mirror. With all of those tweaks Ultimatum is really fun and the Mobs also drop loot a lot more often And you don't loose 3 div when you die. Let me hear what you think about these tweaks, maybe you can redo the strat with those bc I don't think you're doing Ultimatum justice with this video.

I'm curious if not doing the inscribed ultimatum and bulk selling catalysts would have been better.

I love that you’re making these videos!!❤

In similar line to window shopping mechanic, a ton of trash with some giga profit outliers. Just depends on what you like to do. I farmed Ulti back in Affliction, and I HATED it. It was super unrewarding, and although I specced into it, over about 60 ultimatums over the league, I got 2 divs as the only good reward. No good cards, no boss. I got sick of it and switched to essences and Alva. Seriously, farming Alva for temples seems more profitable than half the league mechanics we got.

love the videos. Expedition comming?

Cant wait for expedition, will be awesome

After this series, can you use the Seer Scarabs, and try and get a mageblood? Like... see how many of those scarabs it would take? Would be so cool! I know its all luck, but still! Or maybe use a certain amount, and see how many you get? Thanks.

i prefer doing oldtomatos the only ethical way; with flicker strike

Be careful, going over 10div/h could get you banned with this strat

Can I have an explanation as to why you have two handed staves and bows + belts in that tab? Are they secretly extremely op mirrored items?

At 9:17 you desynced from the server. Client thinks you got hit by something while server thinks you did not. At that state if you get hit by monster, you'll "revive". It is interesting that /OOS did not help.

some sort of visual representation/list of all the starts done in a list/table format at the end of the video would be nice

I like ultimatum but i've never had character that could run them smoothly. Feel like that mechanic requires specific build only for ultimatum

Missing out on catas was a huge mistake. A huge portion of your profit comes from these but you couldn't get it 'cause of your scarab. But yeah ultimatum isnt that fun anymore. Seeing a yellow map or 6 bindings in round 9 or 10 feels miserable

Ultimatum feels bad because the jackpot items could be cool but monsters not dropping ANY loot sucks. Meanwhile ritual is kind of the same gameplay wise but often less deadly and if u fail you still get to get something AND the monsters still drop out loot at the end (near the altar so its easier to pickup).

You do need quantity on maps and dupe. This strat was so much better when inscribed were 100c last league. Block and evasion builds are also really good because you can block and evade ruin stacks

hey empy, i'm enjoying the series a lot and excited to see more, but why the heck did you test this with inscribed ultimatums, unless your goal was to prove they sucked (because they do), in which case why didn't you explicitly mention that? in my opinion, the scarab that replaces catalysts is a decoy product made so other scarabs look better, because catalysts are a significantly fungible token while inscribed ultimatums are about as valuable for trading as 500-page non-fiction books. ultimatums are supposed to be a higher-tier strategy due to their difficulty and it would have been more realistic to point this out and use the pro-catalyst scarab instead.

impressive 13:20 lmao

I wish I had a four mirror build so I could find an apothecary every hour like empyriangaming does

Ultimatum - Test your will to not log out . yknow, if i saw 7 chisels at stage 3 or 4, and at least like 2-3c at stage 7-9, i'd be fine. but repeatedly seeing 1-2c rewards at stage 10, makes me want to start a petition to remove that mechanic. the end returns almost dont matter to me, if the path to getting there is like walking through a field of glass splinters. "Well at least i didnt get an item that removed currency from my stash tab"

Ultimatum was very good last league because tainted catalysts were 0.8-1 div each, now that they are 2c it lost almost all profit

back in ultimatum a good poison prolif pathfinder was all that was needed. ill do a black mamba one later just for this and ritual =3

I enjoy ultimatum because it challenges your character like simulacrums but only takes like 2 minutes

Ive got a watchers eye sc trade this league Hatred cold pen Zealotry Conc ground enemy inc damage taken Discipline ES on hit Is this worth a mirror? None in league and 2 offline standard for 1 mirr each

you did not take the duplicate node on the tree? I duped so many rewards already, Divs, inscribed, uniques with decent corruptions, everyone should take this node. and afaik the map quant effects the catalyst drops. so the conversion strat should provide very different results. with the inscribed vendor recipe even more.

run about 100 of these in affliction and all inscribed ultimatums and rewards were complete garbage. I only got good currency from it because selling trialmaster carries was 50d profit

2:00 if you have a glasscanon build that can't handle stuff you take this, but i'm not taking this... 2 maps later; yeah i'm taking this :D

I love it, built an es stacker blade trap, literally afk in the circles for full reward. No ghost, rest is fine

ruinious wager is really easy its special attacks not all attacks, as long as you keep moving u rarely get stacks.

U should play deepwoken its the ost that plays at the start of this video i hear it in ur vids and livestreams a bunch

i planned to run this strat in HC with low tier maps. seeing you die with that char on scoured maps is crazy. Anyone has a clue how bad ultimatum is on lower tier maps?

Holy shit Empy sounds so depressed as he's going over the loot at the end. XD

How tf do you measaure Ultimatum gains? The whole idea is that it's difficult, slow and provide 1 rare outcome per round

fyi snoo posted video where he turns 80-100c t17 maps into ~3div ones just sayin

Ulti was my favorite mechanic they had, until you got it nerfed lol. Still loved that league though. So easy to get into compared to Necrop or Harvest

Actually, the opposite of FOMO actually exists and is called JOMO (joy of missing out)

Basically this strat: " IT'S SO OVER / WE'RE SO BACK" *repeat*

Why do you loot deception contracts? What makes them valuable?

Imagine you have such a strong character, that you can reliably beat Ultimatum even with rare maps, that would probably be insanely profitable, wouldnt it?

man im doing legion/beyond making 2 div per map. idk what u did wrong. i get a divine on ornates like 70% of the time lol.

with all scarabs this league running ultimatum is literally not worth it... last league to find a boss u had to run like 50 maps on average and the items were expensive

Why replace generally expensive catalysts with worthless inscribed ultimatums? Seems like a waste.

You ran it wrong currency wise, i would have sacrificed divines in the inscribed ultimatum

you definitely got lucky. been doing ultimatums in std since it came back. havent seen a single div as a reward yet.